Voter ID Laws Winning, Obama and Holder Losing

Not only are the courts across the country upholding the ballot integrity efforts of Voter ID laws–including the U.S. Supreme Court–but even majorities of nearly every section of the American public are polling in favor of voter ID requirements. This means Obama, his activist Attorney General Eric Holder, and the leftist intelligencia are losing this issue big time.

The left claims that voter ID laws are the second coming of racist Jim Crow laws. They say it is onerous for people to have to get a valid photo ID in order to vote. They say having to get a photo ID is somehow “just like” the expensive poll taxes forced on blacks between the end of the Civil War and the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

But, since photo IDs can be gotten for less than $10–and in many cases, free of charge–in every state in the union, this claim of left-wing liars is hard to make Americans believe. And the polls show it.

But the courts are agreeing.

As Noah Rothman noted on Wednesday, The Wall Street Journal’s Jason Rile totally devastated the left’s claims that voter ID laws are a bad thing and that the law would agree with their skewered views.

Recently Obama and his lawless cohorts got another defeat in the courts when the Wisconsin Supreme Court upheld Governor Scott Walker’s 2011 voter ID law.

But even more devastating to the left’s hope to eliminate voter ID is the fact that Americans support the law. in nearly every sector and every demographic, voter I laws gets a majority.

As a recent piece at The Hill notes, polling shows big support for voter ID.

The survey found majorities of every demographic support the law. Ninety-one percent of Republicans offer support, and 66 percent of independents feel the same.

Fifty-five percent of Democrats support the laws, while 43 percent oppose them.

Opposition to the laws is highest among black respondents, but even there a bare majority, 51 percent, support them. Forty-six percent of African Americans oppose the laws.

Obviously, Americans understand that this whole hew and cry over voter ID laws is nothing but left-wing fearmongering and pure politics, not about anyone’s rights. And if this is the way Americans really think, the left really has lost this battle. They just don’t know it yet.

This is particularly good news for such groups as True The Vote.

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  • JWH

    If i were a legislator, I would probably oppose a voter ID law.

    • jim_m

      The presumption being that as a dem you would expect to benefit from voter fraud. Otherwise you really have no rational basis for doing so.

      • JWH

        Actually, no. As a legislator, I expect I would be rather neutral on the bill. I would vote against it unless some other legislator gave me a reason to vote for it. Like, say, agreeing to support one of my bills on an issue he’s neutral on.

        • jim_m

          So you would cynically stand in the way of preventing vote fraud unless someone greased your palm. At least you’re honest about your dishonesty.

          • JWH

            Ha!

            Actually, this is how legislatures are supposed to to work. You have to convince me that your Voter ID bill is important, and I convince you that my surveillance bill is important. Or perhaps we’ll just trade favors to get both our bills passed.

            Besides … if my party is pushing me not to vote for your bill and you’re just short of the majority you need, you ought to give me a damn good reason to vote in favor of it and risk the party’s wrath.

          • jim_m

            Only to a point. Occassionally, you find people who actually put the nation before partisan or personal benefit. However, you haven’t been able to find any such person on the left for at least 30 years.(probably more like 50 or 60)

          • Guest

            With one notable exception–Zell Miller.

          • jim_m

            Who was shunned and effectively driven from the party.

          • Jwb10001

            Actually, I think the idea was to compromise on the details of legislation not buy and sell votes using tax payer money. To me a big part of the problem is people selling out for gold coins instead of holding their ground on issues they believe in. Look at how Obama and crew managed to get a majority for ACA it was obsene. Take the pork out of the process and I suspect our laws would be much much better.

          • JWH

            Above, I was speaking more of political compromise than pecuniary compromise. To wit, if you want my vote on an issue I don’t particularly care about one way or the other, you could offer support on an issue I care about, but that you don’t have a strong opinion about.

            As to the other:

            I go back and forth on this. We clearly don’t want outright bribery of government officials. But at the same time, if you secure a $2 million appropriation for a highway in your district in exchange for your vote on something, is that bad pork? Or is that good in that you’re getting your district something you need? And on that point, there’s something to be said for the idea that members of Congress are supposed to represent their districts, not necessarily the nation as a whole.

            And then there’s the series of scenes in Lincoln, where we find out exactly how patronage was used to secure votes in support of the 13th Amendment. (Apparently, this aspect of the movie was accurate. Seems William Seward, though he maintained plausible deniability, was quite good at securing votes through patronage).

            If the Founding Fathers had a fault when they wrote the Constitution, it’s that they assumed that those who led the Republic would be those like the great statesmen of their era — John Adams, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison — gentlemen of means who consistently put the good of the nation at the forefront of their thoughts.

            Few of our leaders have lived up to that standard.

  • http://foxmuldar-conservative-thinker.blogspot.com/ Foxmuldar

    Here in Pa. we passed voter Id law and yet the courts have prevented it from going into effect. We have thousands of Illegal aliens here and Im sure many of them vote. Whats wrong with having an ID to vote. Adults need an ID when they see their doctor, when they buy cigarettes, when they apply for a drivers license, when they apply for bank loans and so many other times when an ID is required. Here in Pa its also free. So the only reason to oppose it is that your either an illegal supporter wanting their votes or too lazy to get to an drivers license place and get that ID free.

  • jim_m

    You need a photo ID to enter most any government building in DC. If it is racist to require it for voting then it’s racist there too.

    • Commander_Chico

      It is authoritarian and un-American.

      Also, what law has been passed barring access to government offices without ID?

      • Retired military

        I cant go to work without ID. You cant buy cig or booze without ID.
        Why would anyone not want ID laws on the books. It helps keep both sides honest.
        Your national ID card, biometric ID and checkpoint speel is ridiculous. The only one doing checkpoints is border patrol about 100 miles inside the border and making americans show Id and letting illegal immigrants go.

  • Commander_Chico

    An old lady walking into a polling station and being able to vote on her word without ausweis is truly American.

    This is all about a national ID card, biometric identification, and checkpoints.

    As usual, you folks are stooges for the iron heel.

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    • warnertoddhuston

      Then why do we have registration for voting? By your “logic” just anyone at all can vote meaning that Democrats in Texas, say, can pay thousands of “old lady” Mexicans to come across the border and vote for their candidate. Or maybe someone in Minnesota can pay thousands of “old lady” Canadians to come on down and vote for a Dummicrat. Why register? On the other hand, if you are for registration, why not expect people to prove who they are in the process and to prove their registration is valid at the polls?

      • Commander_Chico

        You left out space aliens being able to vote for General Zod.

        False voting is a crime, if you have small voting districts like in most places, the registrars themselves are old ladies who know everyone in the district and their business, too. There are also police details at voting places. Not like hordes of people are going to be able to come in and vote falsely – like what if the name you’re claiming has already voted?

        Plus, if you’re going to do vote fraud, hacking electronic voting systems is much better.

        https://i.imgur.com/C3aQlsG.gif

        • warnertoddhuston

          So you have no answer. You could have just said ‘i don’t know.” It would have taken less time.

          • Commander_Chico

            We have registration to make sure people don’t vote twice, as the name is checked off after voting.

          • Jwb10001

            Then what happens when someone comes in and says hey I’m Chico and I want to vote, then you come in and say hey I’m Chico and I want to vote? Not all voting districts are run by little old ladies that know everyone in the village, in fact I’m willing to bet MOST districts aren’t run that way. As usual you create a conspiracy where none necessarily exist.

    • jim_m

      What a load of crap. Chico glosses over the fact that the majority of those in favor of voter ID are adamantly opposed to a national ID.

      That a boy Chico. Never let the truth get in the way of your argument.

      • Commander_Chico

        Yeah, as I said you’re stooges. Can’t see how requiring voter ID is a step towards mandatory carrying of a national ID and other “checkpoints.”

        • jim_m

          You already carry a voter registration csrd. Please explain why this isn’t already sending us down that slippery slope.

          Voter ID laws call for state ID cards not a national iD. Your claims are without any grounds.

          • Retired military

            As usual

          • Commander_Chico

            All states do not have voter registration cards.

          • jim_m

            Not all states have voter ID laws either so you have proven my point.

    • GarandFan

      You already have a “national ID card”….it’s called a Social Security Account Number. You know, the little card with the notation at the bottom “For Social Security and Tax Purposes – Not for Identification”. Yet how many places ask for that information?

      • Commander_Chico

        Obviously no picture on a SS card.

  • GarandFan

    “They say it is onerous for people to have to get a valid photo ID in order to vote.”

    On the other hand, it’s NOT “onerous” to have to jump through multiple hoops to get a CCW permit.

    Perhaps we can get help from “under-developed” India. EVERY voter in that country has to show a valid ID in order to vote.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/india-elections-record-turnout-hindu-nationalists

    • jim_m

      And there are hardly any African-American votes cast in India. Proof positive that voter ID is used to suppress the black vote.

  • jim_m

    The only thing worse than the dems fostering voter fraud s the Freaking autoplay!

  • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

    So, just what prevents a U.S. citizen from having photo ID?

    • jim_m

      As has been pointed out, you need a photo ID to purchase tobacco, alcohol, guns, to use air transport, to enter federal buildings, to check into most hotels. Nothing prevents you from having a government issued photo ID. Nothing.

      It seems that the left doesn’t find the requirements for photo ID at hotel check in a re-imposition of the Jim Crow laws.It is only racist when you try to clean up the vote. Otherwise those sanctimonious jerks on the left really don’t give a damn about minorities. Because if they did then they would be marching on Washington about all of these other reasons that people are required to present ID.

  • hawkcat

    The only reason Democrats hate voter ID laws is that it makes it harder for illegal aliens to vote. That’s it in a nutshell.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    Voter ID laws are racist … they’re suppressing the white vote:

    According to experts, the strictest voter ID laws
    are when voters are required to present a photo ID when casting
    a ballot, and if they don’t, are required to take additional steps
    before their vote can be counted. If a voter can’t present an ID, he or
    she is issued a provisional ballot and must submit an ID within a
    certain amount of time (usually 2 to 6 days). The Census reports that in
    these states, black voter rates in the 2012 elections were just as high
    if not higher than white voter rates:
    Missouri: Black voter turnout higher by more than 6.0 percent*
    Tennessee: Black voter turnout higher by more than 6.0 percent
    Georgia: Black voter turnout higher by 0 to 5.9 percent
    Indiana: Black voter turnout higher by 0 to 5.9 percent
    Virginia: Black voter turnout higher by 0 to 5.9 percent*
    Arkansas: Voter turnout not statistically different*
    Kansas: Voter turnout not statistically different
    Texas: Voter turnout not statistically different*

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jul/17/jason-riley/black-voter-turnout-exceed-white-voter-turnout-eve/

  • ljcarolyne

    GOOD! This should be all ’57′ states wide! Ha Ha! Obama thinks the US has 57 states, remember. What a dumb A$$!

  • Brucehenry

    Voter ID laws are a solution in search of a problem.

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/the-scourge-that-is-in-person-voter-fraud/

    If you go around expounding on the need for Voter ID laws, you are a rube or you think others are.

    • EricSteel

      The reason there are few examples of voter fraud is because without voter id it is nearly impossible to detect in person voter fraud. Imagine telling the police that they have to catch people speeding, but they are not allowed to use any tools to detect the speed of the cars on the highway.
      Without Voter ID, tell me how would anyone know that I was voting fraudulently if I went to your voting station and told them I was you?
      Remember a couple of years ago when Rep Jim Moran’s son was caught on tape giving advice on how to get around Virginia’s Voter Id Laws by forging utility bills? How difficult would it really be to pull off voter fraud, when all you need is to show a utility bill as proof to vote?

      • Brucehenry

        It may not be all that difficult for one guy to go into a polling place and impersonate one other guy. Can you imagine, though, a clunkier, less efficient, more easily detectable way to steal an election than hiring hordes of impostors to vote in large enough numbers to succeed?

        Can you imagine a vast conspiracy, hiring — for what, 10 bucks a head?– hundreds or thousands of impostor voters who keep their mouths shut afterwards? Do you think that that has happened, or is likely to?

        Don’t be stupid.

        • jim_m

          And yet it still happens, and in districts where votes have been decided by less than a couple hundred votes it makes a real difference It also makes it harder to commit other types of ballot fraud as well.

          Bruce sticks with his tried and true defense of “if no one is convicted it never happens” and “it’s not important to worry about since it can only effect a close election, and those never happen anyway”. What a bunch of BS. I doubt he even believes any of it himself, but he knows that his side benefits so he trots the bogus arguments out anyway.

          • Brucehenry

            Actually, if no one is ever CHARGED it might not have happened, lol.

            You insist that “and yet it still happens” when I have posted evidence that IT NEVER DOES — well, it does, but like 31 out of a billion times. But because you can’t fucking read, here’s the link again.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

            If you think a conspiracy in which a couple of HUNDRED conspirators conspire to show up and cast impostor votes, actually DO SO, and then keep mum, has ever ever happened, you are a loon. If you think a conspiracy like that ever ever had any chance of success, or that any political operative would ever try such a harebrained scheme, you are a loon.

          • jim_m

            No. You have posted evidence that it is nearly impossible to prove and/or prosecute. That is something that no one is denying.

            What you are doing is arguing against a simple measure to bolster public confidence in the ballot box, a critical necessity for a democracy. But then as a lefty you really aren’t all that interested in democracy.

          • Brucehenry

            Ha ha yes when something didn’t happen, it is nearly impossible to prove it did. You’re right about that. And when that something that didn’t happen is a crime, it is damn near impossible to get a conviction, since it, you know, didn’t happen.

            What a dumbass.

          • jim_m

            No Bruce. Because the ballot is secret and has no identification on it, just about the only way to catch this kind of voter fraud is to catch someone in the act.

            So it happens, and the fact that you find it so amusing that it cannot be proven testifies to the fact that you are willing to break the law in order to gain an illegal advantage to advance your agenda. As has been accused before, you are willing to accept any illegality as long as it advances your agenda.

            And if you don’t like people thinking that you are an amoral lowlife, maybe consider the fact that allowing some measures to prevent fraud are worth while.

          • Brucehenry

            Yes despite the fact that there is no evidence that it happens it does because Jim says it does and the fact that there is no evidence that it happens is not evidence that it doesn’t. Or something.

            Yessir, yer average voter needs to be reassured that impostor voting doesn’t happen despite the fact that there is no evidence that it ever happened on any scale that could tip even the closest election.

            Jim, think about it for two fucking seconds. How many conspirators would there have to be in a conspiracy to cast, say, two hundred impostor votes? Two hundred and one, right? Minimum.

            Have you ever heard of a two-hundred-person conspiracy where NOBODY TALKED? What would induce these two hundred conspirators to commit these felonies? Financial reward? How much would be paid? If there were a slush fund to pay the conspirators, couldn’t that be proven? If they were just committed zealots, could you find two hundred of them willing to commit a felony for free in a given district, and then remain mum EVER SINCE? How long do you think this has been going on? Did it happen in 2008? And every impostor who committed this fraud has succeeded in keeping it secret for SIX YEARS?

            What a dumbass.

          • Scalia

            Bruce, I think we can agree that there have historically been some very close elections, and I think we can also agree that voter fraud need not be extensive in such cases. Even fraud involving thousands of people wouldn’t turn a landslide election. However, you make two assertions that I’d like to challenge. One, it practically never happens (31 out of a billion times); two, such a conspiracy would be outed by talkers.

            In reply, there is evidence of fraud involving thousands of voters. See Report points to possible voter fraud in NC. It appears that over 35K voters voted in North Carolina and another state. The crosschecked data involved 28 states. Twenty-two states did not participate.

            As to whether or not people admit to fraud, please see a local NBC affiliate’s investigation HERE and HERE. It will be recalled that Bush won Florida’s electoral votes by a 537 vote margin.

            Is this a conspiracy? Maybe, maybe not. Demographics may tell us how a group is likely to vote, and it doesn’t take a leap of logic to conclude that if certain persons of certain groups are likely to exploit election loopholes, then interested parties can continue to benefit from the problem by inaction.

          • Brucehenry

            Your links are irrelevant, since none of them address impostors showing up at the polls to vote — which is what Voter ID laws are designed to prevent. Look again at the links and tell me how requiring photo ID at the polling place would prevent the situations these links describe.

            Your first link describes nothing like a conspiracy, just a situation in which names and SS numbers are showing up on registration rolls in more than one state. Much of this could be explained by failure to notify one state when moving to another, or when someone dies and the heirs fail to remove the deceased’s name from the rolls. It is certainly not evidence of a conspiracy, small or large.

            The most damning thing in that first link is the charge that 765 votes were cast in NC and another state by people having the same name and last four SS digits — and how much of that could be people voting by absentee ballot from their vacation homes, mistakenly thinking they were entitiled to do so? 765 out of 7 million votes? And requiring ID at the polls wouldn’t fix that.

            Read the last two sentences of that first link of yours, btw. And the last one is missing the word “allegedly” between “fraud” and “accounted for.”

            Your blue HERE links describe what may be registration fraud, in some cases, but not impostor voting fraud.

            Impostor voting fraud happens when one relative takes it on himself to vote for his senile old dad, or a retarded brother, or some stupid scenario like that. It NEVER EVER happens on a wide enough scale to throw a close race for village council, much less to influence a legislative seat or a Congressional race.

            EDIT: When I referred to “your first link” above I actually meant your second link, woops, sorry.

          • Scalia

            Much of this could be explained by failure to notify one state when moving to another, or when someone dies and the heirs fail to remove the deceased’s name from the rolls.

            Notification failure and death do not account for multiple votes.

            The most damning thing in that first link is the charge that 765 votes were cast in NC and another state by people having the same name and last four SS digits.

            Here is what the link says:

            A total of 35,750 voters with matching first and last names and date of birth were registered in North Carolina and another state, and voted in both states in the 2012 general election.

            Another 765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, date of birth and last four digits of their Social Security number were registered and voted in the 2012 general election in North Carolina and another state.

            As a result of these numbers, “The elections board requested the modernization of the polling place identification process. Part of the modernization includes obtaining digital photographs and signatures of registered voters to verify their identity.” Consequently, I respectfully disagree that said link is irrelevant.

            As to the last two sentences of the second-to-last paragraph of the relevant link, they are not referring to the multi-state crosscheck (as a comparison of the numbers makes obvious); they are referring to alleged behavior apparently reported to the Board of Elections.

            With respect to the last two links, I fail to see how voter ID will fail to prevent registration fraud. Proof of citizenship, address, a photograph, etc., cannot but help reduce cases of registration fraud–even if they are not impostors.

            I lead an extremely busy life, which is why I seldom post. I gotta scoot to my other job, so it may be awhile before I can get back with you.

            Regards.

          • Brucehenry

            I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility that a good chunk of that 35,000 are more than one Bob Williamses, Mary Joneses, and John Smiths, but what do I know?

            But if I’m wrong, you seem to be alleging a conspiracy involving TENS OF THOUSANDS of people fraudulently voting because there was no Voter ID laws in place. A conspiracy in which EVERY ONE of those tens of thousands of conspirators have remained silent for almost two years.

            And some of those states DID have voter ID laws in place, I assume, so there’s that.

            Again, it’s been looked into many times. Thirty one POSSIBLE occurrences out of a BILLION votes.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Who just happen to have been born on the same day of the same month of the same year. Yeah, real high probability there. Are you just inumerate, lliterate, or profoundly stupid brucehemorrhoid?

          • Brucehenry

            No more stupid than to think that 35,000 people conspired to cast fraudulent votes, across the country, including in states where Voter ID laws are in place, and that none of them — not even one — has talked to the press or the authorities and revealed the plot.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            All three, as I suspected.

          • Scalia

            I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility that a good chunk of that 35,000 are more than one Bob Williamses, Mary Joneses, and John Smiths…

            Born on the same day, month and year? Not likely, but even if 10% of them had the same birthdays, you still have well over 30K double voters (not 31 out of a billion).

            But if I’m wrong, you seem to be alleging a conspiracy involving TENS OF THOUSANDS of people fraudulently voting because there was no Voter ID laws in place.

            Thanks for using the word “seem” because that’s not exactly what I allege. To summarize what I allege:

            1) There are many narrow elections.
            2) A conspiracy to turn close races need not involve great numbers.
            3) Voter fraud exists (22 states did not participate in the crosscheck).
            4) Voter ID laws would help curb fraudulent voting.
            5) A conspiracy need not be overt. Inaction based on demographics keeps one’s hands clean.

            I readily agree that a conspiracy cannot be proved without evidence, but if there is evidence of voter fraud, why not reform the system to prevent it?

            And some of those states DID have voter ID laws in place, I assume, so there’s that.

            If they did, they evidently weren’t sufficiently comprehensive to prevent double voting, and if they didn’t, all the more reason to have comprehensive ones in place.

            At bottom, to concede arguendo that no conspiracy exists does not imply that reforms are not needed.

  • Jwb10001

    If you’re in favor of voter ID laws you only have to wait until a republican wins a close election and in process finds ballots in the trunk of a car 3 days after election day. The democrats will have a bill on the presidents desk within minutes.

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