Islam’s Next Victim: ISIS Beheads Another American Journalist

Islam has claimed yet another victim as the same British ISIS jihadist has just released a video showing him beheading Steven Sotloff, another western journalist, and there is a third one waiting his turn.

The new video begins with the scumbag Muslim directly addressing the weakling President, Obama, saying, “I’m back, Obama, and I’m back because of your arrogant foreign policy towards the Islamic State.”

ISIS, the Islamic terror army that has taken large portions of Iraq and Syria and threatens the entire region as well as areas elsewhere in the world, killed western journalist James Foley last month in a video that brought ISIS terrorism to America.

At the end of August Sotlof’s mother recorded a video pleading with the ISIS Muslims to release her son. Many idiots who pretend to be foreign policy and terror experts called her video “brilliant.”

These foolish nabobs imagined that Mrs. Sotlof made some valid points and cut those darn Muslim’s to the quick leaving them no logical choice but to fall to her proper reading of the Quran.

I said to this “brilliant” claim that it won’t matter one tiny bit to Muslims. They don’t listen to anything said by a westerner and there is no amount of “logic,” no measure of “proper” reading of Islam, that will make them suddenly realize the error of their ways.

In fact, here is exactly what I said on August 28 in the comment section of HotAir.com:

There is nothing “brilliant” about it, sadly. Not a single Muslim on the planet will be shamed by it. In fact, this video is just an expression of weakness. It will do nothing for her kidnapped loved one.

Now we see that is true as that ISIS Muslim group has followed through with its threat to murder another western journalist and there is a third–this time a British citizen-waiting his turn to die the gruesome death of having his head sliced off while he is still living.

I won’t bother reporting any last words of these murder victims because they spoke under duress and nothing these poor folks say in the last seconds of life is meaningful. They are only spouting the lies put in their mouths by their captors.

But the words of their killers is Islam. Period. It isn’t any “warping,” it isn’t a garble, a misread, or a bastardization. It is Islam.

Meanwhile, our weakling president golfs, yucks it up at birthday parties, takes in jazz concerts, vacations, and attend fundraisers.

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  • Paul Hooson

    Moderate Muslims have been using the internet and TV comedy programs to ridicule, lampoon and satire the extremism of ISIS in recent days. Reaction is building in the moderate Muslim world to characterize ISIS as stupid and violent savages who defame Islam with their extremism. Leading moderate clerics are denouncing this organization as well. Cartoons and other media are being used to portray this ISIS group as laughable.

    • Jwb10001

      Well that should take care of it then.

      • Paul Hooson

        Public opinion in the larger Muslim community sharply critical of ISIS is an important first step to prevent some villagers to consider joining and instead oppose that effort. In some cities like Baghdad, army enlistments are up sharply as many young men are motivated to oppose ISIS.

        • Walter_Cronanty

          The “larger Muslim community” is as relevant as the “larger non-Nazi German community” in 1937.

          • Paul Hooson

            ISIS represents only some Sunni Muslims, and does not represent most Sunni Muslims, and opposes other Muslims such as Shiites or others. Shia followers believe that any successor to Mohammad must come from his closest living blood relatives, while Sunni Muslims relied on the strongest military commander as the best leader of Islam for that sect.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            And the only people ISIS wants to kill more than Shiite Muslims are Christians. Really, Paul, you should have been lead defense counsel at Nuremberg.

          • Paul Hooson

            I’m part Jewish, Walter. I don’t Jews are held in high regard by ISIS either.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            You been reading too much Chomsky?

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Any is too much…

          • Commander_Chico

            Chomsky has a clear view of the world.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Noam Chomsky is to intellectualism what Walter Duranty was to journalism.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Which, like yours, is consistently wrong.

          • Commander_Chico

            Except it is Muslims from the Peshmerga and Iraqi army and militias who are now doing the fighting against ISIS and dying on the ground now.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            And if those Muslims are victorious, we’ll all be pleasantly surprised if they don’t hate the west just like the other Muslims hate the west.

          • Commander_Chico

            Why shouldn’t they hate the west? The west grabbed their resources and installed and propped up their dictators for years.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Right. When the west leaves and they are left to their own devices we have utopias like Libya, Iraq, Egypt, Iran, etc.

          • Jwb10001

            Grabbed their resources? How did all those sultans and kings get so rich if we’re grabbing the only resources they have to sell? We DID NOT grab their resources we bought them, if not for us buying their resources they’d have nothing at all, none of them. That the elite kings etc keep all the money is a totally different problem having nothing what ever to do with us.

          • Commander_Chico

            The Brits and French ruled directly and imposed unfair contracts and military “protection” on the Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians Moroccans, and Egyptians for starters.

          • Brucehenry

            Those sultans and kings got rich from being installed by British and French imperialists in the age of colonialism. Puppets who, installed by their European masters, proceeded to sell their people’s patrimony at bargain basement prices.

            Oh my God. Are you completely ignorant of the history of colonialism? Because if you are, here is a book recommendation that may educate you a little:

            http://www.amazon.com/Kingmakers-Invention-Modern-Middle-East/dp/0393337707

          • Jwb10001

            More of the same, this or that happened 100 years ago so no way to address these current issues, we’ll just have to live with the savages. Pathitic

          • Brucehenry

            You asked how the kings and sultans got rich and I told you, genius.

            Those puppet kings and sultans, or their successors, are still in power today. Abdullah of Jordan. Assad in Syria. Whoever-the-fuck in Egypt. Et Cetera. And their populations are still resentful.

            Even in Iran, where in 1979 they overthrew the Anglo-American installed Pahlavi dynasty, they’re still pissed about colonialism. You may think they should just get over it, but to them it’s still a “current issue” whether you think it ought to be or not.

          • Jwb10001

            Blah blah blah, you and Chico always with the history is that because the state of current events under your lord and savior are so screwed up? You know your history remember the ottoman empire, anyone still fight that war? Why is it you give these savages a pass because somewhere in their history they were colonized? Lots of civilzations were colonized why are these the only people still fighting?

          • Brucehenry

            You asked a question then didn’t want to hear the answer.

            History is important. Does the theft of natural resources and the installation of puppet rulers by alien conquerors justify beheading innocents? No of course not. Did it cause resentment and envy and enmity? Yes it did.

            But history is important if you want to understand current events. If you don’t know the historical context, you’re reduced to insisting that you’re the good guy because you insist that you’re the good guy.

            And actually, you historical ignoramus, it is PRECISELY the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, how it happened, who benefited and who didn’t, that is much of the root cause of what we are fighting about today.

            It’s hysterical that you thought that was a gotcha line. It only shows how pathetic your understanding of “current events” is.

            http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/world-war-i-led-to-a-century-of-violence-in-the-middle-east-a-946052.html

            http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/140727-world-war-i-europe-history-book-talk-david-reynolds/

            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-25299553

          • Jwb10001

            So let’s see Japan invaded and grabbed China’s resources so they are cutting off American heads? You’re so full of crap. Lots of people have been invaded and had their natural resources stolen. We the US have not currently grabbed anyones resources we pay dearly for them. Your insistence that all this anger is over our stealing their resources is bull. By your logic 2/3 of the world should be head choppers.

          • Brucehenry

            You can’t read and are simple minded. And you are arguing with straw men. I’m not defending this barbarous behavior.

            The conversation was like this

            Chico: The Arabs hate the west because the West stole their resources.

            Jwb1001: We pay for oil. How did sultans get rich if we don’t pay?

            Me: History matters. The sultans are puppets who sold OUT their people. The people are still angry

            Jwb1001: Why are you defending murderers? History doesn’t matter! What about the Ottoman Empire heennnggghh??!!?

            Me: I’m not defending murderers, but history does matter. Especially the breakup of the Ottoman Empire.

            Read the links, especially the first one. There are many many more that can give you similar information.

            What will you do, genius, when someone asks you “Why are you so obsessed with 9/11? That’s in the past! It was over a dozen years ago! What about current events?”

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            A blunted knife for you…

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Bruce, at some time or another, I’m sure somebody enslaved a relative of mine. I’m not rich, sitting on a money making machine that somebody else discovered and developed a method of extracting which I then expropriated. If I go behead some people because their goats have hairy legs, will you defend me?

          • Brucehenry

            Willfully ignorant non sequitur nonsense.

            The guy asked how kings and sultans got rich and hated finding out the answer. The answer matters.

            Nothing excuses the beheading of innocents but if you ask the larger questions, like “Why shouldn’t the Arabs hate the West?” you’re going to get answers that make wingnuts uncomfortable. Too bad.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You are one of our primary purveyors of

            Willfully ignorant non sequitur nonsense.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Less.

    • http://www.publiusforum.com/ Warner Todd Huston

      You mean those moderate Muslims who think that infidels should be killed humanely, instead of live beheaded?

      • Paul Hooson

        Christians can’t be characterized by the actions of Westboro Baptist Church anymore than Muslims can be characterized by ISIS. Most of the victims of ISIS are other Muslims.

        • Walter_Cronanty

          What a complete ass you’re making of yourself. How many people did the Westboro Baptist Church kill?

          • Paul Hooson

            My point is that some are ovegeneralizing all Muslims here, where ISIS does not represent most Muslims. All Christians cannot be generalized by some extreme church as well as a comparison.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            And most Germans weren’t Nazis – so what?

          • http://www.publiusforum.com/ Warner Todd Huston

            Bull. ISIS does represent most Muslims. Repeated polls throughout the Muslim world show that they nearly all essentially agree with the goals of groups like al Qaeda and ISIS. And throwing around the Westboro morons is a foolish exercise in moral equivalence. Westboro people represent .001 percent of the greater Christian faiths while al Qaeda and ISIS represent MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS. People who make these childish, idiotic, and murderous, and false comparisons are part of the problem. They are just as guilty as any Jihadi Brit who killed those two journalists. They are responsible for helping to blind westerners and disarm them to this danger with false equivalencies and blase PCisms.

            Do ALL Muslims agree with ISIS and al Qaeda? Of course not. “ALL” of nothing is so monolithic. But MOST Muslims DO agree with them. On the other hand, FEW Christians agree with their most extreme members.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            What you said.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Which mohammedean sects (or subsects) have PUBLICLY denounced (such as by fatwa) ISIS and their tactics?

          • Paul Hooson

            Not only leading Saudi clerics and other clerics, and in India, a leading cleric warned Muslims in that country that any support for ISIS is contrary to the teachings of Islam and Shaik Abu Bakr Ahmad declared a Fatwa against ISIS forbidding any Sunni in India from supporting ISIS. This warns Sunni Muslims that they are not to support ISIS with either money or joining the terror organization.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            [citations required]

          • LiberalNightmare

            Ah the old liberal fallback – deny the issue by claiming that all muslims arent terrorists.

            Heres an uncomfortable fact for you, of all the people currently cuttiing the heads off of american news reporters, 100% are muslim terrorists.

          • Paul Hooson

            I’m a Jew. I never like Muslim extremism of any type…

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Your record of apologia here suggests otherwise.

        • LiberalNightmare

          “Most of the victims of ISIS are other Muslims.”

          Seems fair to me.

          • Paul Hooson

            If there were more Jews like me in Iraq, they would be victims for sure there. Christians and Jews share a real danger there, as do Shia Muslims.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Even if the Jews weren’t like you, they would be victims.

        • jim_m

          The problem is that most Christians vocally object to Westboro. Most muslims are completely silent about Islamic extremists.

          • Paul Hooson

            No, in all fairness, many moderate Muslims are strongly condemning ISIS, including important Sunni leaders. Most Muslims are good people who don’t approve of extremism or mayhem like this.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            [citations required]

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

          Answer the question whoreson:

          Which mohammedean sects (or subsects) have PUBLICLY denounced (such as by fatwa) ISIS and their tactics?

          With verifiable citations or links.

    • Walter_Cronanty

      “Cartoons and other media are being used to portray this ISIS group as laughable.” Oh, gosh, I bet ISIS is really ashamed now. “Cartoons and other media.” Wow, I bet these will be as effective as #BringBackOurGirls: “Boko Haram is still holding more than 200 girls captive. Most are Christians who, according to news reports, have been forcibly converted to Islam. Reports also suggest that some of the girls may have been sold in markets and spirited over the border to Chad and Cameroon.” http://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/2014/08/07/hashtag-campaign-bring-back-girls/13717045/

      • Paul Hooson

        Selling women and other outrageous acts are creating a widespread Muslim opposition to ISIS as very poor Muslim representatives of that faith.

        • Walter_Cronanty

          Wow, I guess those Muslims who are part of the “widespread Muslim opposition” haven’t heard the news about slavery, as when I Google slavery and the Middle East/Africa, it appears to be on the rise. Maybe you could get some really edgy cartoons about that to drum up some more opposition.

          • Paul Hooson

            There are different branches of Islam, but in 2011 Sunni Muslim radicals accounted for 70% of all persons killed as a result of terrorism that year for example.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            And yet they continue on being radical. I guess they didn’t see the cartoons.

          • Jwb10001

            We’re gonna need a harsh hash tag!

          • jim_m

            They don’t continue being radical after they’re dead. They might still vote in Chicago, however.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Huh, sounds like a strategy to me. You should be an adviser to Obama – although he already knows about the voters in Chicago.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Not just in Chicago, wherever the democrat machine operates.

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

          [citations not provided]

  • Brucehenry

    “Meanwhile our weakling president golfs, yucks it up yada yada yada…”

    http://thedailybanter.com/2014/08/youre-upset-obamas-golf-game-heres-reagan-goofing-major-events/

  • Commander_Chico

    Clowns like you, Warner, brought this about. It’s all because the USA, UK, Israel and Saudi Arabia wanted to take out Assad before an attack on Iran. The neocon right has been beating the drum to attack Iran for years in behalf of their master, Nutandyahoo.

    A year ago you were calling for bombing Syria and helping the “rebels.” Now you see the “rebels.”

    • Paul Hooson

      American meddling and the “nation building” politics of both Bush presidents has resulted in a lot of instability in the Mideast and left power vacuums that extremists like ISIS seem to be filling. – As bad as Assad is, he did at least represent the order of rule of the old Arab Socialist movement founded by former Egyptian strongman Gamel Nasser once the British left the region.

      • Commander_Chico

        The first Bush was not a meddler like his son or Obama.

        • Paul Hooson

          His son more so as you say.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            How shocking, the asshole and the hemorrhoid agree with each other.

          • Paul Hooson

            Nation building didn’t work as a foreign policy in Iraq, Rodney. I cheered Bush when he toppled Saddam Hussein, but it only created a power vacuum in that country, sectarian violence and now ISIS. – Under Saddam Hussein he kept order out of fear and heavy police and military organization. We toppled him and replaced him with instability. Bush had well intentions in Iraq, but things went awry. And Obama bent to political pressures to withdraw American troops too quickly because many Americans have no will to complete a job in a country.

          • jim_m

            Nation building was working as a policy. Violence had largely been suppressed and Iraq was able to take the first steps toward a stable democracy. But then obama got elected and he declared that we would walk away from it. That allowed the islamists to wait us out and then topple the government that we had started to establish.

            Was the government of Iraq perfect? Of course not. But it was working and it was going to get better. What you on the left chose was to abandon the attempt before it could be completed. Now you blame the failure on trying in the first place. If you stop swimming in the middle of the river, the reason you drown isn’t getting into the river, it was stopping swimming. Stop blaming bush for the failure of your policy.

          • jim_m

            Just remember that nation building worked for Germany and Japan. The problem is that it takes a commitment to sticking with it longer than a news cycle.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Show evidence of having cheered when the Bush Administration toppled the Hussein regime.

    • Walter_Cronanty

      Yeah, the middle east was just a paradise before the US got involved: “In 1933, within weeks of Hitler’s rise to power in Germany, the German Consul-General in Palestine, the pro-nazi Heinrich Wolff, sent a telegram to Berlin reporting al-Husseini’s belief that Palestinian Muslims were enthusiastic about the new regime and looked forward to the spread of Fascism throughout the region.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini#Pre-war

      • Commander_Chico

        The Germans themselves were also enthusiastic about fascism then. So were the Italians, Croatians, Hungarians, Romanians and many others.

        What does that prove?

        Why not bring up the Thirty Years’ War or Opium War?

        • Walter_Cronanty

          The Italians, Croatians, Hungarians, Romanians and others you reference are not trying, through extraordinarily gruesome tactics, to establish a new Fascist state bent on killing Westerners, like me. Nor are they trying to shirk responsibility for their own murderous tactics on the US. That’s what it proves.

          • Commander_Chico

            The point is that your reference from 80 years ago has no relevance today.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            The point is the west has some veneer of civilization. The middle east, not so much [please see Rotherham for the fruits of the middle east tree when planted in an orchard overrun with weak, ineffectual, self-hating leftists]. In the words of Osama: “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse,”

          • Commander_Chico

            Trying to be the strong horse in the Middle East has made US weak. Blood and treasure lost.

          • Jwb10001

            This coming from the guy that blames Bush and Reagan for everything. Current events is not your strong suit.

          • Jwb10001

            What the F@#% Chico you constantly live in the past excusing all sorts of crappy behavior because of Bush, or Brits colonizing the mid east blah blah blah. Your complete lack of consistency is stunning.

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

          May the dull knife of the mujahadeen cut slowly through your neck.

        • jim_m

          What it proves is that when liberal democracy is weak that people gravitate to fascist ideologies. (not that you need any encouragement to gravitate to fascism) This is true for people of any nationality at any time in history.

          Obama, by being weak and essentially refusing to take up the baton as leader of the free world(I don’t think I have ever Barry referred to by that title, but I know that every resident in my lifetime before him has been called that), has created a vacuum of power. Fascism and dictatorships are filling that void.

    • Sky__Captain

      But Comrade Chico, there was no attack on Assad, so exactly how did “clowns like Warner” bring this about?

    • LiberalNightmare

      The minions seem restless today, its almost as if they think someone is letting them down.

    • jim_m

      I thought you were denying that this sort of thing ever happened.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        He is perpetualy wet to the knees as he gazes upon the Pyramids..

    • jim_m

      Oh, So your claim is now that you wanted the US to make an unprovoked attack on Iraq? Just yesterday you re suggesting that we should ally ourselves with them. Time to stop the drugs man.

    • http://www.publiusforum.com/ Warner Todd Huston

      Always blaming everyone but who is the guilty party. A “clown” maneuver if there ever was one. Nah, just a stupid one of a hobbled, halfwitted mind. Islam is to blame. Not the USA or Britain or Germany or the mouse in your pocket.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      Damn liars and asshats such as yourself inflicted this maladministration on this nation and bear the responsibility for all that it has flushed down the toilette.

  • Sky__Captain

    I learned everything I needed to know about radical Islam on 9/11.
    The actions of ISIS merely confirmed the lesson.

    These uncivilized, mass-murdering Neanderthals need to have the full weight of the US military thrown at them until each and every one of ISIS is exterminated.

  • Wick101

    I see a lot of viewpoints from different sides here…just wondering how this helps the situation? we the people need to stand up for what we believe in like these terrorists groups and radicals, and just maybe it would make a difference. Do you think your comments here add value to the situation? Do you think ISIS will read this and say “doh, we need to not kill people”?? Have fun gents!

    • jim_m

      No, we think that open discussion in groups helps people clarify their views and that a public with a clear view of what they want done is in a better position to tell the government what they want it to do. Ever hear of democracy? Or do you not believe in that sort of thing?

    • Commander_Chico

      Welcome back Mr. Westlake.

      • Walter_Cronanty

        Is that really Westlake?

        • Brucehenry

          No it’s a different dumbass who goes on a blog comment section to make the comment that everyone who comments there is wasting their time. Or something.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            He does have a point in your case…

          • Walter_Cronanty

            How disappointing. You know, he vanished soon after winning your title of “Supercilious Twit.” I guess he quit while he was ahead.

    • Jwb10001

      Says the guy that comes to a blog to express his view points.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    Holy crap – even non-interventionist Rand Paul wants to squash ISIS – I guess he’s in the race, although it is refreshing for a leader to actually come out and say he wants to “destroy ISIS militarily”:

    “[S]ome of the loudest applause for Paul came when he quipped: “If the president has no strategy, maybe it’s time for a new president.”

    In an emailed comment, however, Paul elaborated by saying: “If I were
    President, I would call a joint session of Congress. I would lay out
    the reasoning of why ISIS is a threat to our national security and seek
    congressional authorization to destroy ISIS militarily.”

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/perry-criticizes-obama-no-strategy-syria

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      The problem being that this [mal]Administration is not competent to do what manifestly needs to be done.

  • Paul Hooson

    The big problem still has to go back to George W. Bush’s failed nation building in Iraq. As bad as the former government of Saddam Hussein was, it was a more inclusive government than the government we left in place in post-Saddam Iraq. – Tariq Aziz, who was really the second person in power after Saddam Hussein, was a Christian, as one example of the more inclusive government under Saddam Hussein. – The failure to include more elements in the post-Saddam government was largely responsible for creating a climate of sectarian violence of Sunni vs. Shia.

    • jim_m

      It wouldn’t have failed if the left (ie Obama) hadn’t run away from it and let it fall apart. If we had walked out of post war Germany in 1946 the Nazis would have been back in a flash. Why you expect that walking away, and telegraphing that we would do so, should have resulted in a different outcome is beyond me.

      Why is it that the left believes that middle easterners are incapable of having a civilized government? They can. They just needed the support necessary to get it to a sustainable point. But the left would rather win cheap political points than stick to the course. What we are seeing now is that the left’s failure to look beyond the next election will result in thousands more American lives lost compared to staying the course.

      • Paul Hooson

        As bad as Saddam Hussein was, he kept order in Iraq, and had an inclusive government. Ever since post-Saddam, the government made the sectarian differences divide so great that ISIS is just one result.

        Bush may have been wrong about Iraq, but the U.S, had an obligation to stay there until the job was done. Obama wrongly bowed to political pressures at home to quit Iraq. – We broke it, we bought it, but didn’t step up and complete the job.

        • jim_m

          But it wasn’t the inevitable result until obama cut and ran. But cutting and running and then blaming the fall out on someone else was always the plan. It never mattered to you or anyone else on the left how many people had to die for your selfishness. It was always about engineering a failure for the US.

          • Paul Hooson

            Sectarian violence was always an issue in post-Saddam Iraq. And, unfortunately either political party would have allowed the same withdrawal vacuum of power to exist by leaving too early. A president cannot let the American public dictate foreign policy. Gerald Ford did the same thing in Vietnam. ARVN was suffering battlefield losses to the Communists as America withdrew, where South Vietnam was shrinking in size, yet Ford gave into a war weary American public’s desire to leave Vietnam. – Yet, American heavy bombers couldn’t win this war. A B-52 would carpet bomb part of North or South Vietnam leaving a trail of bomb damage half a mile wide and a mile long, yet could not win this insurgent war. – That’s a lesson in Iraq as well against ISIS. Bombing alone won’t stop that insurgency. Ground troops need to rout out those insurgents, and that means high losses to do that.

        • Commander_Chico

          The Iraqis wanted us to leave. After the Blackwater massacre and other incidents, they were fed up with Americans, even though Blackwater were not soldiers.

          • Paul Hooson

            Yes, that’s true. The people wanted us out as well as the American people did. And the government was corrupt and didn’t want American oversight of any type, besides the sense of nationalism in the country.

          • jim_m

            OK. So you are saying that we shouldn’t have listened to US public opinion, but that we were correct in bowing to Iraqi public opinion. What a douchebag you are. Do you have any convictions?

          • Paul Hooson

            No. Iraq needed to understand that peace and stability could only exist with a number of U.S. bases on their soil. Their sense of nationalism needed to be weighed against real security concerns.

          • jim_m

            That was not the objection. It was about subjecting US troops to Iraqi jurisdiction for their behavior when off base and not on duty. This could have been worked through but obama was too lazy and ideologically driven to bother.

          • Paul Hooson

            The Iraqi people wanted the U.S. to go as did the government. The new government was nearly as corrupt as the last Saddam one and didn’t want any U.S. oversight, just U.S. aid money. – It’s the same old thing as the U.S. aid to the Palestinians under Yasser Arafat. The U.S. offered substantial aid which was largely diverted into Swiss bank accounts owned by Arafat or his wife, and around Christmas he bought a few cheap Christmas decorations to welcome Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land area as a tourist trap. – U.S. foreign aid is seldom with any oversight it seems.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Yeah, the Blackwater massacre. That measures up to what ISIS is doing.

          • Commander_Chico

            So far, Blackwater killed a lot more innocent Iraqis than ISIS has killed Americans.

        • Jwb10001

          Paul are you kidding, how inclusive was the government to 100,000′s of people that were killed by the Sadaam “government”. You need to go back and take another look at the true situation in pre invasion Iraq. Sadaam was relentless in his distruction of political enemies (real distruction like being dead.)

          • Paul Hooson

            Saddam was terrible, yet strangely was more inclusive in his government where he was strangely tolerant of others where his own Muslim faith was less important that running an orderly country. President Reagan backed him for example, and even misused millions of dollars in U.S. disaster CCC funds as gifts to Iraq which were actually used to build up Saddam’s army which later became a regional threat during the 1st Bush Administration when Saddam invaded Kuwait over a theft dispute of Iraqi oil. A giant oil reserve ran under a huge area of Iraq, however right on the Kuwait border, Kuwait set up pumping stations to pump out and sell all of this oil for themselves and not pay Iraq for any of this creating the basis for a major oil theft dispute and the war with Kuwait. This oil dispute should have been decided in the courts and not as a war.

          • Jwb10001

            Sure he was inclusive of all those he approved of. That’s like saying democrats are inclusive because the are tolerant of other democrats. Ask the Kurds how Sadaam was to live with, or you could as the folks he dropped chem weapons on except the are all dead.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        They didn’t “let it fall apart” they were pouring sand into the gears from the outset.

    • Walter_Cronanty

      So the only way to successfully stop sectarian violence in middle east countries is to have a murderous, but inclusive, dictator? If that’s true, then maybe Obama’s strategy in Libya is correct. Take out the dictator militarily, bug out, and then let the natives kill each other.

      Of course, there is the risk that the homicidal maniacs who ultimately prevail might be a bit of a threat: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/missing-libyan-jetliners-raise-fears-of-suicide-airliner-attacks-on-911/

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com/ ljcarolyne

    The mother should have kept her mouth shut. No woman has any say so in that evil Satanic Cult. Same goes for Obama, he has no respect period. What a FU loser he’s turned out to be, of course we all knew that from the get go. Obama doesn’t even make a good Muslim, as he is the laughing stock of the world, and useless as Hell, where he is headed.

  • shirlohGate

    this is muslim islam political /jihad ideology, as stated thru out the quran…..
    there Is proof , evidence of muslim islam violence against humanity, within the quran…. all muslims practice such , the next door muslim, the everyday muslim …and teach children such…. there is no moderate muslim… Ban quran in all non muslim islam countries … kick muslims out of these countries…

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