Ted Cruz Does Right–Walks Out on Mid Eastern Scumbags Claiming to be Christians

As we remember the biggest terror attack that happened 13 years ago today on 9/11/01 we pause to note that Muslim terror isn’t opposed even by some Christians.

Texas Senator Ted Cruz had a bit of a problem yesterday when it became an issue that he had agreed to speak before a so-called Christian group made up of Lebanese and Palestinian Christians. But when he announced his support of Israel before these “Christians” they booed him and he saved his reputation by walking out on them in the middle of his address.

The problem for Cruz was that he agreed to speak before the non-profit group In Defense of Christians. The problem wasn’t that Cruz was speaking before a group that seeks to support Christians in the Middle East, but that he chose to speak before a group of people many of whom support Hamas and Hezbollah and people who oppose Israel… yes, even though they claim to be Christians.

This was a strange move by Cruz, strange that he’d chose to go before this group of terror lovers. But he really saved his own reputation by what he did there.

When he went on stage he began by noting that he stands with Israel. The crowd was not happy and began to heckle him. He went on to say that Christians should support Israel. The booing and heckling grew.

“Those who hate Israel hate America,” Cruz insisted. “Those who hate Jews hate Christians. If those in this room will not recognize that, then my heart weeps. If you hate the Jewish people you are not reflecting the teachings of Christ. And the very same people who persecute and murder Christians right now, who crucify Christians, who behead children, are the very same people who target Jews for their faith, for the same reason.”

Then he made a brilliant move. He said that if the crowd doesn’t support Israel then he won’t support them and he walked out leaving the bulk of his speech undelivered.

“If you will not stand with Israel and the Jews, then I will not stand with you. Good night, and God bless,” he said as he walked off the stage.

This saved Cruz from having to explain why he was supportive of a group that supports Islamic terrorism. His walking out on these false Christians did his reputation a great service.

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  • jim_m

    He’s right. The people who oppress Christians in the ME are the same ones calling for genocide in Israel. Sadly there are some who would rather let their people die rather than let a Jew live.

  • Paul Hooson

    I’m the token Jew around here, so I guess I understand the current Mideast politics a little better than some might. It doesn’t really matter that many Palestinians or Lebanese are Christian or Muslim, as many hold the opinion that Israel went too far recently. That’s a difficult opinion to break. Some newspapers and news organizations run by moderate and highly educated Muslims have attempted to soften these hardline views against Israel by the argument that the government of Benjamin Netanyahu has badly mismanaged the Israeli economy recently, with a GDP growth rate of only 1.7%, and probably needed this war as a diversion of public opinion over this conservative government’s poor handling of the Israeli economy. Unfortunately, this latest war might have diverted public opinion for a few days against the military threat of Hamas military terrorism, but this war will likely shave half a point off Israel’s GDP growth for the next 12 months.

    Cruz doesn’t quite understand the frayed nerves that this divisive war has recently caused, and needed to direct his speech in other areas until this war slips a little farther from the memory of many angry persons in the Mideast right now. Netanyahu had legitimate reasons to protect Israel’s security, but the heavyhanded warfare tactics with about a 9 to 1 collateral damage rate of civilians to Hamas militants has not only outraged many in the Mideast, but is a subject of debate among those in Israel who already have serious doubts about the leadership of Netanyahu.

    • And, like other terror supporters in the Mid East, Hoosan blames the victims.

      • Paul Hooson

        No. I’m a Jew and I support Israel. But, Cruz is a dirt-dumb politician who fails to understand the difficult feelings that this recent war caused among both Christian and Muslim Arabs. His comments were not well-thought out here. – Many Jews in Israel support the efforts to protect Israel from Hamas terrorism, but resent the outrageously high collateral damage to innocent civilians to achieve that goal. Many in Israel favored a more surgical war that would have spared more innocent civilians, yet taken out Hamas rockets and destroyed their terror tunnels.

        • In clearer words: “I support Jews and Israel, but the Palis and the Lebanese are right, Israel must be destroyed. “

          • Paul Hooson

            No. It was the military tactics that killed too many innocent civilians that have outraged many in the Arab world, both Muslim and Christian. Many moderate Arabs recognize that Israel has a right to defend itself against terrorism. In Israel, 44 cases of human rights abuses by the Israeli military are currently under review right now, with seven cases recently dismissed for using excessive military force that caused high civilian deaths when more surgical military means might have been possible.

            The American military has a wide range of weapons including drones for surgical warfare, compared to what Israel had used here in this recent warfare.

            Many in the Mideast such as the government of Egypt recognize Israel and have much trade with the nation, including oil sales to Israel. but were helpful in arranging cease fires and peace talks as the civilian deaths mounted to excessive levels. Egypt attempted to be balanced, and dislikes Hamas as well, comparing it to the outlawed Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

            And President Obama has pulled together a coalition to oppose ISIS among Mideastern nations who also oppose terrorism.

            During the recent war with Hamas, Shimon Peres was quick to voice his approval for the moderate leader of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, praising him as a “good man” and “good partner for peace” compared to the terrorist Hamas organization.

          • “Innocent civilians”? In the PA? Where? And Abbas is no “moderate.”

          • Paul Hooson

            Shimon Peres was the outgoing President of Israel until July 2014, and he can cite many constructive talks and agreements he signed and had with Abbas compared to the terrorist Hamas organization.

          • There has NEVER been “constructive talks” with the Palis.

          • Paul Hooson

            Shimon Peres and other former Israeli government leaders would beg to differ with that claim of yours, Warner.

          • We have delusional lefties all across the world, Paul. Even in Israel.

          • jim_m

            So you are therefore supporting the tactics of Hamas in hiding behind children and other civilians. That is the only reason there are so many civilian casualties.

            If you blame Israel for those casualties you are claiming that this is a good tactic for Hamas and that they are right to continue using it.

          • Paul Hooson

            No. Where do some of you guys make this stuff up at? – Some of Israel’s weapons such as cannons or rockets fired on civilian areas with bad intelligence and bad results. Israel needs to invest in more drone warfare technology like the U.S., where a drone can look at the battle area and pinpoint a target compared to an Israeli cannon that levels an apartment building because some Hamas types drove up in an old beat up Datsun pickup truck, got out and assembled and fired a small rocket from the nearby street.

          • jim_m

            SO your claim is that Hamas does not fire rockets, etc form civilian areas so all civilian casualties are the fault of Israel.

            What an ignorant ass you are. Even the Arab media has excoriated Hamas for doing this.

          • Paul Hooson

            Certainly Hamas used civilian areas to assemble and fire rockets. This was very cowardly on the part of Hamas to help cause civilian deaths for propaganda purposes and totally the opposite of the U.S., where the U.S. military will use a remote part of North Dakota as a missile launch site in the event of war. – But, at the same time because Israeli rocket technology did not pinpoint the exact location that was used to assemble and fire rockets, nearby buildings not part of any hostile action were leveled by Israeli rockets or cannon fire.

          • jim_m

            So let me reiterate:

            Despite the fact that Hamas knew the capabilities of Israeli weapons and deliberately fired into Israel within the proximity of hospitals and other civilian locations, and knew that any response from Israel done with the intent to defend her civilians from terrorist attack would almost certainly kill innocent palestinian civilians, you believe that it is solely the fault of Israel that these people were killed and that the proper response from Israel would have been to do nothing in response to these attacks by Hamas. You believe that Hamas is not responsible at all for these deaths despite the fact that even the Arab world is against Hamas on this issue.

            You have no fucking clue.

          • Paul Hooson

            No. Israel sought to defend herself, but should have used caution in civilian neighborhoods as much as possible. – A policeman wouldn’t level a whole neighborhood to catch one bad guy. – But, Hamas deserves much blame for using civilian areas to launch rockets from. That was cowardly conduct. – I doubt any Hamas fired a rocket from his own kid’s or mother’s home…They picked some poor family at random….

          • jim_m

            You’re a freaking moron. Nearly all the attacks from Hamas are from civilian areas. What you demanding is that Israel not defend herself. What you demand is that Jews simply allow themselves to be slaughtered. And you take the sides of a pariah terrorist organization that even the Arab world is turning its back on. Even Egyptian TV has defended Israel’s bombing of Gaza.

            You and other defenders of Hamas are alone against the world. You stand with al qaeda and anti-semites and no one else.

          • Paul Hooson

            No. I’m a Jew, very strong supporter of Israel, and very much opposed to Muslim extremism. But, Israel needs a cooperative relationship with Arab and Persian moderates as well.

          • jim_m

            You’re a fool. You demand that Israel fight with its hands tied to placate an antisemitic US media that stands with Israel’s and America’s enemies. Israel can have a start at that relationship you call for by siding with numerous Arab states and crushing Hamas. Funny how the remedy you demand is exactly what will not help that relationship and exactly that which will promote islamic terrorism and antisemitism.

            Did I mention that you are a fool?

          • jim_m

            I’m sure that amongst your far left friends who support Hamas and palestinian terrorism you come off as a strong supporter of Israel. But I would suggest that you have moderated your views so much that what you consider strong support is really advocating the undermining of the Israeli state and the succor of its enemies. Really hard to see that as being a strong supporter.

          • I tell the rambler, the gambler, the back-biter
            Sooner or later God will cut you down

          • LiberalNightmare

            Your a fool Hooson.

            When Hamas comes for your head, make sure you tell them about your strip club and other businesses. It wont help you, but youve told everyone else, why leave them out?

    • Commander_Chico

      Israel drove many Lebanese Christians to support Hezbollah, because they were the only effective force to battle the Israeli invasion.

      • Paul Hooson

        An unfortunate, but true fact.

        • Lie down with Hamas wake up before your maker.

          • Paul Hooson

            Nonsense. I’m a Jew and a strong Israel supporter. I have no regard for Muslim extremists.

          • jim_m

            Sure you do. You are taking the side of Hamas and against more moderate Arab states that have taken the side of Israel in this conflict. You can claim that you are pro-Israel all you want but in this case you are less pro-Israel than Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates. Doesn’t sound like much of a claim when you put it in perspective.

          • Paul Hooson

            Israel is the only real democracy among those nations, and the only nation among those so much like the United States. Between, Israel and the U.S. ten million Jews live in relative safety. If I didn’t live in the U.S., Israel would be a strong second choice.

            Some of the products from Israel are extremely high quality. Worksmanship and real pride go into many Israeli brands, so are Elite candy bars. The ingredients are so good in those, including real chocolate liquor, unlike the cheap stuff passed off as chocolate in the states.

            BTW, a friend of mine had a Scud missile take out his bathroom during the Gulf War. He lived in the frontier area where Palestinian marauders would sometimes attack the farm houses, and a Patriot missile badly damaged a Scud which was bent and spun out of control and dug a long trench in his yard before blowing up his bathroom. He and his wife were sleeping on the other side of the house and were just fine. He was studying to be a Rabbi at the time.

          • jim_m

            Essentially non responsive to my comment.

          • Paul Hooson

            Jim, you don’t even have a favorite brand of Matzos, unlike me, but are lecturing me all about Israel.

          • jim_m

            I’m explaining to you that your position is more anti Israel that Saudi Arabia. I think that if you were truly a supporter of Israel that this should concern you. As to your bogus matzos comment, I liken that to Chico’s bullshit claim that only people who have served have the right to comment on the military. Just because you claim to be Jewish doesn’t make your opinion on Israel sacrosanct.

          • jim_m

            What the f*ck does your being Jewish have to do with whether or not your political views are correct? Quit playing the victim card here and defend your views. Present argument and facts dumbass. Don’t go pleading victimhood and claiming that because you like matzos that your views on the ME are beyond questioning.

          • Sooner or later…

      • Mjolnir

        You mean the invasion that was a response to Hezbollah attacks on Israel? Perhaps if the Hezbollah scum hadn’t attacked Israel in the first place, there wouldn’t have been any invasion? It’s kind of stupid for them to support the group that got them attacked, isn’t it? What am I missing here?

        • Brucehenry

          You’re missing 1982, genius. How, why, and when do you think Hizbollah got started?

          • Mjolnir

            So where did they harm Christians? Again, I don’t see anything where they acted against Christians. Perhaps you could elucidate? How many churches did they bomb or burn? How many Christians did they target for killing? Details!

          • jim_m

            Bruce will tell you that Jews use the blood of Christian children to bake their matzos. He read about it in his copy of The Protocols of Zion.

          • Brucehenry

            If there had never been an Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 there might not BE a Hizbollah.

            These people in this audience were predominantly Lebanese, it seems. Perhaps their opposition to Israeli invasions is less sectarian and more nationalist, ever think of that? Nobody likes to see their country’s sovereignty violated.

            Many Lebanese of various religious persuasions give at least grudging support for Hezbollah as the only local force who will oppose the IDF. Not every Christian looks at the world through Netanyahu’s prism even if you do.

          • Mjolnir

            OK. But Israel tried to help the Christians, and tried to establish a government in Lebanon headed by Christian factions. It’s convenient for these Lebanese to forget that their armies attacked Israel in 1948 and that there have been multiple subsequent attacks launched against Israel from their country. How convenient to ignore those, and still blame Israel. Israel is the ONLY country next to Lebanon that wishes them to have peace, prosperity and democracy.

          • Brucehenry

            Israel wishes Lebanon to have peace as long as it is willing to lie down and let IDF troops cross its border at will.

  • Paul Hooson

    Benjamin Netanyahu has had a long questionable history himself, narrowly escaping indictments and going to prison on corruption charges. When an Israeli citizen, Daniel Wultz, was killed by a suicide bomber who appeared to have used The Bank Of China for financial support, it was no other than Bejamin Natanyahu who traveled to China and then worked to suppress a lawsuit against this Chinese bank, Iran and Syria who helped to fund or conspire in this terrorist act by the family of Wultz as a wrongful death action. – Sometimes, when big money is involved, Benjamin Netanyahu’s fingerprints have been in the wrong places.

    • Commander_Chico

      Never forget what he said: “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,”

      http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044

      • Paul Hooson

        I like Shimon Peres a lot….Don’t like Netanyahu at all…Peres is a very pragmatic liberal intellectual. A wonderful political leader. Netanyahu is the Israeli version of the Watergate Richard Nixon, as opposed to the foreign policy expert Richard Nixon…

        • Commander_Chico

          The old generation – Peres, Rabin, Dayan, Meir, even Sharon, Shamir and Begin – were realists. Netanyahu is a dangerously reckless guy.

      • Ah the ever reliable ant-semite rides to the sound of his hemorrhoid taking fire.

  • Brucehenry

    There’s another interpretation of this occurrence of course. In reality, what happened wasn’t that Cruz walked off the stage in a huff, motivated by his principles. He was BOOED OFF THE STAGE because he doesn’t know shit from shinola when it comes to history, the Middle East, Christianity (except the fundie holy-roller kind he subscribes to), Judaism, or Islam.

    He managed to squeak out what he hoped would be some face-saving blather about not “standing with” yada yada it’s so fucking funny I’m crying.

    http://wonkette.com/559903/ted-cruz-israel-speech-draws-heavenly-hosannas-by-which-we-mean-a-buncha-ay-rabs-booed-him-offstage

    Y’all sure can pick ’em. BTW another one of your favorites wins the Triple Tacky Award for some antics in Anchorage lol.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/sarah-palin-and-family-allegedly-involved-in-giant-drunken-brawl-at-snowmobile-party/

    • Sky__Captain

      The offensive little troll must have watched a different video than what Warner linked. Wonkette must have also, as Cruz was not “booed off the stage”.

      Mr. Cruz was much more polite than I would have been. Despite a moderator attempting to appeal to the argumentative members of the audience, Mr. Cruz patiently waited before leaving. And it was not “in a huff”.

    • jim_m

      Like any lefty, Bruce finds it offensive when someone stands up for Israel and against islamic terrorism.

      Also, Christians are brutally oppressed by muslims in the ME and Africa. I suppose that you find this appropriate and you support it. The reaction to Cruz strikes me as more lefties who want to feed the crocodile hoping that they are eaten last.

      Name for me the last person decapitated for their religious beliefs by the Israelis.

      • Brucehenry

        Yes Christians ARE brutally oppressed in many places in the ME and Africa. Yet THESE Christians, in THIS audience, oppose Israeli policy in West Bank and Gaza. This is something you can’t fathom because of your Manichean paranoid worldview, cobbled from rightwing revisionist history and internet conspiracy websites as it is.

        The fact is that it isn’t only Muslim fanatics who oppose Netanyahu’s policies. Not everyone marches in lockstep with Likud, and not everyone is afraid of being called an anti-Semite by internet nuts like yourself.

        Not to mention the hilarity of a presidential contender whose staff is so incompetent or lazy it can’t be bothered to find out anything about the audience its boss is about to address. The fact that his audience’s reaction to his boilerplate was negative took this genius Cruz completely by surprise. If he has anyone working for him who isn’t completely stupid it isn’t apparent from this episode.

        Now, what do you think of Snowbilly Snookie and her spawn, brawling at a party? Real presidential material there lol.

        • jim_m

          You’re correct it is not only muslim fanatics that oppose Israel. there are a lot of American antisemites who oppose it too.

          • As we’ve seen in this very thread.

          • Brucehenry

            What about Netanyahu not being Israel do you find impossible to process?

            Is everyone opposed to Obama’s policies anti-American? What a dishonest dumbass you are. And so’s your buttbuddy btw.

          • You fail to understand that you have net negative credibility.

          • jim_m

            I would argue that the only people that ARE American are the ones that object to obama’s anti-American regime.

            I am not supporting Netanyahu although I do agree with his stance on Hamas. But then so also does Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates. What do you have against them?

          • Brucehenry

            But can’t or won’t admit that many who love Israel oppose Netanyahu. Because you are a dishonest dumbass and so’s your buttbuddy.

          • jim_m

            You have never expressed any such feeling. I have no idea who you would be referring to.

          • Brucehenry

            OK, many who are perfectly willing to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state within secure borders ALSO oppose Netanyahu and Likud.

          • jim_m

            Most who say the first part put such conditions upon it as to be a vertual nullity. Such conditions do not foster the survival of Israel and do not leave it with secure boarders.

            I will note that the one opportunity that Arafat had to deliver on just that result he rejected and you and your antisemitic friends backed him up on that.

          • jim_m

            I will also note that while you and others here have been extolling Sharon, I recall that when he was in charge the very same people were condemning him just like you are condemning Netanyahu now. So like I said, it doesn’t mater who is in power, if he is a Jew you will condemn him.

          • Brucehenry

            I certainly never “extolled” Sharon, matter of fact downthread I slammed him as bigger more bloodthirsty asshole than Bibi.

          • jim_m

            I believe Paul was saying how he liked him.

          • Brucehenry

            I thought he was talking about Shimon Peres.

            Why yes, yes he was, but you didn’t notice, are they all the same to you?

          • jim_m

            I see the exchange below and I stand corrected. It was your gay lover Chico.

          • Brucehenry

            You have internalized and now believe as Gospel the :”fact” that Arafat was solely responsible for the failure of the 2000 Camp David summit. That’s because you are an ignorant, dishonest dumbass and so’s your buttbuddy.

            http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story416.html

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit

            http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/17/opinion/is-arafat-capable-of-peace.html

          • jim_m

            Te US backed the plan and pressured Israel into making the offer. Your first link is a pali propaganda site and therefore totally bullshit. The second tells how the US disagreed with the Pali rejection.

          • Brucehenry

            And the third tells an entirely different story than the one you have adopted as Gospel. The point is not everyone sees the situation through Likud’s prism or can’t you fucking read?

            EDIT: Here’s a couple more so you know not everyone has swallowed the same hook, line, and sinker that you and your kind have:

            http://prospect.org/article/who-killed-camp-david

            http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/the-myth-of-the-generous-offer/

          • jim_m

            You claim to be objecting to Netanyahu, but the reality is that you would reject any leader of Israel that did not acquiesce to genocide.

          • jim_m

            Being opposed to obama’s policies is also intelligent. When it comes to the ME, obama and Kerry were wrong about the surge in ’07, wrong about the Iraqi troop withdrawals in ’11, wrong to walk away from post-Qadaffi Libya in ’11, wrong not to arm the moderate Syrian rebels in ’11(according to Hillary), and wrong to draw a faux red line in 2013.

            Is everyone opposed to obama anti-American? Only if you think Pro American means that America must lose every war and be an international pariah.

    • Paul Hooson

      I have so many Gentiles here lecturing this Jew all about Israel, Bruce. – I used to help out the Daughters Of Hadassah, which runs a big hospital in Tel Aviv with a mixed Israeli, Palestinian, Arab staff, and everyone gets along just fine as best friends. And there’s many Israeli-Palestinian mixed marriages, but you can never make some of the guys here believe these things because everything they know about Israel comes from FOX News on TV.

      • jim_m

        Fool. We are lecturing you about your support for Hamas. Your claim to a religion has no relevance at all to whether or not your views are perceived as correct by others.

        Your claim that you are Jewish and therefore your views on Israel are sacrosanct is disgusting and offensive.

        And some of us read the foreign press and see that Arab nations are standing against Hamas. You stand for Hamas. You are on the wrong side of this issue and in your desperation you are claiming that because you are Jewish you cannot be wrong. No one said anything about your being Jewish. You are claiming some bullshit victimhood because people have argued FACTS. Maybe YOU should get your news somewhere other than MSNBC.

        Fuck you Paul. I don’t give a damn who you have donated to. You are supporting terrorists and excusing their using human shields. You support a terrorist organization that is opposed by the neighboring Arab states. You’re wrong on this. Your being Jewish has nothing to do with it. Your whining smacks of desperation and looks like you are trying to claim that people are picking on you because you are Jewish. No one knew that before you mentioned it. I certainly wouldn’t have guessed it, and now that I know I really don’t care.

        Your whole whine about being Jewish sounds a lot like the guy who says “some of my best friends are black…”, like you cannot be against Israel because you are Jewish. You are on this subject. Deal with it.

        • Paul Hooson

          No. I want to see Hamas out of business, and peace talks continue with moderates from the Palestinian Authority instead. The PA aren’t firing any rockets at anyone…

          • jim_m

            This whole conversation was about Hamas and how you blame Israel for civilian casualties in Gaza and exempt Hamas from responsibility even though everyone else in the region blames Hamas for those casualties.

    • Mjolnir

      You and your talking-point mistress wankerette make some broad claims about why Christians would have no love for Israel, as if the abuse of Christians by Muslims is somehow Israel’s fault. Is Muslim bombing of Christian churches or attacks on Christians across Islam-dom the fault of Israel? What kind of nonsense is this?

      • The kind of nonsense only a fool of an anti-semite would believe.

    • Only in a hemorrhoid’s view.

  • 914

    Go Cruz!!

  • SteveCrickmore075

    Israeli intelligence veterans refuse to serve in Palestinian territories
    Innocent people under military rule exposed to surveillance by Israel, say 43 ex-members of Unit 8200, including reservists http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/12/israeli-intelligence-reservists-refuse-serve-palestinian-territories

  • …and our missing anti-Semite puts in an appearance.

    • Brucehenry

      Calling everyone critical of Netanyahu and Likud anti-Semitic is as valid as calling everyone critical of Al Sharpton anti-black.

      • Commander_Chico

        It’s the neocon way . . . .

      • jim_m

        What’s bogus is your claim that this is about Netanyahu. If there were anyone else in charge you would claim to be against them.

        This whole thread has been about whether or not 1) ME Christians who are oppressed by muslims should find common cause with Israel and 2) if Israel’s approach to Hamas in Gaza is OK.

        The fact that you want to oppose Israel without seeming like the anti-Semite that you are means that you have belatedly attempted to make this about one man. The reality is that you would oppose Israel no matter what they did. I doubt that you said anything when Arafat reject the offer for a fully independent state with all of Gaza and the West Bank in a contiguous nation. The Paliis were offered everything they wanted (with the exception of Jewish genocide) and they rejected it. I assume that you defend that bit of perfidy or more likely blame it on the Jews.

        • Brucehenry

          You say that ME Christians should find common cause with Israel, but some ME Christians manifestly DO NOT. They are not required to support Likud policies because you think they should.

          Of course in the past many Lebanese Christians DID “find common cause” with the Israeli forces that invaded their country. Guess what happened. Sabra and Shatila.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

          It’s true it’s about more than one man. Sharon was just as much if not more of a bloodthirsty asshole in his day. I didn’t like him either.

          • jim_m

            That’s irrational. So you r argument is that Lebanese Christians are against Israel because Israel invaded Lebanon and forced the Christians to slaughter Shiite muslims?

            Because the massacre you cite:

            The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the slaughter of between 762 and 3,500 civilians, mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites, by the Kataeb Party, a Lebanese Christian militia

            And more to the point if the Christians did find common cause back then and you claim that the massacre was an outgrowth of that, are you not then admitting that Lebanese Christians have been so brutally oppressed by muslims that when given an opportunity they will strike back at them with great violence? SO you r point is that Christians should STFU, let the muslims slaughter them and if they are especially good and anti-semitic, the muslims might just slit their throats last.

            Nice logic Bruce.

          • Brucehenry

            Good thing straw doesn’t weigh much you might have thrown your back out building all those strawmen.

            Learn to read the words on the page and ONLY the words on the page. Ignore The Voices.

          • jim_m

            Perhaps it would help you if you understood where these people were coming from . Netanyahu’s brother was killed in the raid on Entebbe. Sharon fought in the 1948 war of independence. You are a fool if you think that having to fight every day of your life against people who wish to exterminate your race doesn’t leave a mark. You demand that these people trust those who have shown themselves unworthy of any trust and have demonstrated that unworthiness for generation after generation.

          • Brucehenry

            So what? Stalin’s brother was executed by the czarist authorities. Does that excuse his murders?

            Conversely, Aung San Suu Kyi has been persecuted by Burmese authorities for 30 years but she can rise above any enmity and deal with them for the good of her people. Look at the example of Nelson Mandela for chrissake!

            Bibi and Sharon don’t get a pass on being assholes because of their personal histories.

          • jim_m

            So your claim is that the deaths in Gaza are solely the responsibility of Netanyahu and that the fact that Hamas has hid behind civilians and deliberately provoked attack on civilian areas for the purpose of getting those civilians killed, a fact that is acknowledged by Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.

            You claim that Israel alone is responsible for this even thought Arab nations in the region blame Hamas.

            That I would say is prima facie evidence that you are an anti-semite. When you blame the Jews for something that even the Arab muslims won’t blame them for you are doing it solely because you are a bigot.

          • Brucehenry

            Again you see words on the page that aren’t there.

            I’m asking any other Wizbang readers — ANYONE SEE THOSE WORDS IN ANY OF MY COMMENTS?

            I have made no claims about Hamas or the deaths in Gaza or whether Israel was to blame — partly, mostly or “alone” — so how do you see me blaming Israel “alone”?

            I have pointed out that many Lebanese and other ME Christians do not blindly support every Israeli policy for reasons of their own. I guess this comes as a surprise to you and Ted Cruz, but that’s because you are both ignorant as shit.

            Just because you say I’m making this claim or that claim doesn’t mean I am. As anyone can plainly see who can fucking actually read — which leaves you out.

          • jim_m

            Ummm, you remark about Stalin committing murders and then compare him to Netanyahu and Sharon. Are we not to presume that you are referring to the deaths of palestinians by that reference? Otherwise why do you make such a reference? Oh, yeah. so you can accuse a Jew of murder and then weasel out of it when you are called on it.

          • Brucehenry

            In response to your claim that I should understand Bibi and Sharon’s tortured psyches because of their biographies, genius.

            But now that you mention it, Sharon WAS found by a UN commission to be partly responsible for Sabra and Shatila.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

            And even if I had “accused a Jew of murder,” which I didn’t, does that mean I claimed anything about who was responsible “alone” for the deaths in Gaza? NO, it does not.

          • jim_m

            So you cite as evidence that you are not an anti-semite, one of the most antisemitic organizations in the world? Yep. You’ve convinced me.

          • Brucehenry

            Whenever we see the words “So your claim is…” written by Jim, Wizbang readers, we can all be sure he’s getting ready to tell a big fat lie. It’s what he does, because he’s a dishonest dumbass and so’s his buttbuddy.

          • jim_m

            My conclusion is that Bruce is feeling offended by Rodney’s taunting so now he is stooping to further childish comments of his own.

          • Brucehenry

            Rodney’s taunts, like all of Rodney’s actions, are useless and therefore inoffensive. And you may call my comments childish; perhaps many of them are. But they are in response to words actually appearing on the page. I don’t make up the stupid, trite, and/or patently false things you say. You actually say them.

          • jim_m

            So your new habit of referring to buttbuddies has not been provoked by that? Riiiiiiiight.

          • jim_m

            Bruce is the typical lefty. He is Oh so tolerant, except that he resorts to anti-gay slurs to criticize those he disagrees with because underneath he is just another bigot.

          • Brucehenry

            Ha ha like most people I use insults that I feel might be hurtful, as do you. If I thought you wore thick coke-bottle glasses I might call you Four Eyes. If you were 5 ft tall I might call you Shorty. But since you mistakenly think you are smart I call you a dumbass. And since you’re a homophobic bigot I make reference to your buttbuddy. Deal with it.

          • jim_m

            Hypocrite. If anyone else uses such language you would call them a homophobe, but somehow when you do it, it is OK. You’re a fraud and a hypocrite.

          • Brucehenry

            Well, maybe, but at least I don’t make shit up and claim the other guy is saying shit he never said, so which one of us is the worse human being? Lol.

  • Commander_Chico

    Good take on what an asshole Cruz really was:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/coppage/ted-cruz-crashes-defense-of-christians-summit/

    Ted Cruz, however, fractured that unity. Hours before his keynote yesterday, the Washington Free Beacon ran a customarily nuanced headline blaring, “Cruz Headlines Conference Featuring Hezbollah Supporters.” The story referenced several of the leading Middle Eastern Christian leaders present and their own remarks about their region’s politics, taking particular pains to note that Maronite Patriarch Cardinal Mar Bechara Boutros Raï has an open dialogue with Hezbollah, the Shi’ite Lebanese political party and State Department designated terrorist organization. Lebanon has a long history of inter-religious conflict and is split between Sunni, Shi’ite, and Christian communities. Many Christians in the region have either allied with or received shelter from Shi’ite Muslim communities in the face of radical Sunni organizations like al-Qaeda and ISIS.

    Cruz’s spokesperson responded to that story, saying, “Sen. Cruz is appearing at the In Defense of Christians event tonight because he wants to take every opportunity to highlight this crisis, the unspeakable persecution of Christians. … America has been silent for far too long, and we need to speak with a united voice against this horror. Sen. Cruz is speaking to make the unequivocal point that religious bigotry in all its forms—be it targeting Christians, Jews, or minority Muslim sects—is an evil that must be exposed and combatted.”

    When Cruz took the stage, however, after two days of declarations of Christian unity and recognition of the widespread persecution of peoples of all faiths, his remarks emphasized his devotion to the state of Israel. The crowd applauded faithfully as Cruz made the argument that ISIS, al-Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah, as well as Syria and Iran, were all equal participants in genocidal bigotry. Cruz then transitioned. After saying, “Our purpose here tonight is to highlight a terrible injustice. A humanitarian crisis. Christians, are being systematically exterminated,” Cruz then turned to the 1948 formation of Israel, a sensitive subject for many Palestinian Christians, and declared that ”today, Christians have no greater ally than the Jewish state.”

    It was at that point that some in the audience objected to Cruz turning a celebration of Christian unity into a lecture on a divisive subject that many in the crowd experienced as part of their everyday lives. Cruz returned accusations of hatred. Even then, most of the crowd tried to reconcile with him as Cruz continued on to speak about “Jews and Christians alike who are persecuted by radicals [applause] who seek to—[applause]. If you hate the Jewish people you are not reflecting the teachings of Christ [applause].” As he continued to press the issue, however, the crowd increasingly urged him to “move on” and booed, leading him to lament those “consumed with hate” and depart. Reportedly, Lebanese ambassador Antoine Shedid and three members of the Lebanese parliament walked out of Cruz’s speech:

    • Brucehenry

      So maybe I was wrong about Cruz being so stupid he didn’t know his audience. Maybe he DID know and cynically used the dinner as an opportunity to get noticed on the Rightwing Butthurt Circuit.

      In either case, whether he is stupid as fuck or whether he is an opportunistic grifting psychopath who will say anything to be noticed, he isn’t qualified to be president. He isn’t even qualified to be Senator. Hell, he hardly qualifies as a human being.

      • jim_m

        he is an opportunistic grifting psychopath who will say anything to be
        noticed, he isn’t qualified to be president. He isn’t even qualified to
        be Senator.

        None of which ever bothered you about obama. Once again we see that with the left it isn’t about competence it is about power and using that power to control others.

        • Brucehenry

          Ha ha don’t ever change, Jim. Everything has to be Obamasux with you. You are a cartoon character and so’s your buttbuddy. LOL.

          • jim_m

            And you’re a homophobic bigot. Drop dead.

          • Brucehenry

            Awwww, sorry about the butthurt, Mary.

          • jim_m

            Hey, you want to have a go at me go right ahead. You don’t mind my bringing your daughters into this do you?

          • Brucehenry

            Yes I do mind. So I’ll lay off with the buttbuddy stuff. It was meant more to needle M. Soi Disant than you, anyway, and he didn’t take the bait.

            Sheesh. Tough room.