Yes That Black Panther Party Historical Marker in North Carolina MUST Come Down

Did you know that there is a historical marker in Winston-Salem, North Carolina celebrating the founding of a chapter of domestic terrorists and hate group the Black Panther Party? Now there is a petition demanding that the city remove the marker celebrating the hate group.

The marker, situated at the corner of Fifth Street and Martin Luther King Boulevard in Winston-Salem, N.C., was erected in 2012 and celebrates the fact that the state’s fist chapter of the racist group formed on that spot in 1969.

This photo by Bruce Chapman depicts the 2012 unveiling of the historic marker.

The marker hasn’t caused much fuss, really, but after racist black groups have spent the last few months defacing decades old Confederate monuments all across the country and have been demanding that all Confederate history be erased from existence, now there is a move to do the same to this marker celebrating the founding of the city’s racist Black Panther Party chapter.

There is a petition started by Wayne Pearce to eliminate this racist marker in downtown Winston-Salem.

Here is the message that Pearson added to his petition:

We the people call on the City Council of Winston-Salem, North Carolina to remove the a sign located at the northeast corner of Martin Luther King Jr. Drive and East Fifth Street.

Two weeks ago leader former leader of the Black Panther Party along with members of the Black Panther Party were in Charleston, South Carolina and in his speech he called for the killing of “crackers” (White People” and for the killing of “The children of slave owners”Modern descendants of slave owners”.

We the people feel that it is not in the best interest of the City of Winston-Salem or the state of North Carolina to honor such a racist and violent organization

Take the sign down! Take the sign down! Take the sign down!

So far the petition is closing in on 3,000 supporters but it needs 5,000 for action.

And, yes, there is a direct parallel between what blacks call celebrations of the KKK in those Confederate monuments and a celebration of the Black Panther Party. Both are hateful, racist domestic terrorist organizations. If Confederate history is too “racist” to be remembered, then so is the violent, murderous, drug-pushing, hate group known as the Black Panther Party.

In fact, it is arguable that the Confederate States is a more American idea to celebrate than the Black Panther Party. The Black Panthers were never in any way based on an American ideal. As misguided as it was, the CSA was created to better observe American ideals (and the nascent country’s Constitution is practically a copy of the U.S. Constitution). Yes it was a warping of American ideals, but at least they thought they were being American and venerated the founders and our founding ideals. But the Black Panthers hate America, they hate the American way of life, and they hate everything that is America.

Certainly it is good that the race-based ideas that the CAS had have been defeated. But if blacks are against CS historical markers because they are “racist” in nature, then they absolutely do not have a leg to stand on to insist that a historical marker to the racist, terrorists of the Black Panther Party can be excused.

So, yes, this obscene marker should be taken down. Go sign the petition at:

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  • aoril01

    The Black Panther party, disbanded for over 30 years was never accused of killing nine people in church or nine people ever. The author of this stupid piece is under the impression that when he has an itch, everybody else is supposed to scratch it. The phrase “must come down” (as if he were in charge) really underscores a childish approach to worldly matters in light of the Panthers never having killed 9 people in cold blood at a church service. Does this bozo make the connection?

    • Liar…

      The FBI Database: Black Panther Party

      The Black Panther Party (BPP) is a black extremist organization founded in Oakland, California in 1966. It advocated the use of violence and guerrilla tactics to overthrow the U.S. government. In 1969, the FBI’s Charlotte Field Office opened an investigative file on the BPP to track its militant activities, income, and expenses. This release consists of Charlotte’s file on BPP activities from 1969 to 1976.

      The Violence of the Black Panthers

      Even Wikipedia notes that the Panthers are guilty of murder.

      Finally you fuggin idiot, there is NO CONNECTION between a Church being attacked and the Confederate flag. Moron.

      Torture-murder of Alex Rackley

      In May 1969, three members of the New Haven chapter tortured and murdered Alex Rackley, a 19-year-old member of the New York chapter, because they suspected him of being a police informant. Three party officers — Warren Kimbro, George Sams, Jr., and Lonnie McLucas — later admitted taking part. Sams, who gave the order to shoot Rackley at the murder scene, turned state’s evidence and testified that he had received orders personally from Bobby Seale to carry out the execution. Party supporters responded that Sams was himself the informant and an agent provocateur employed by the FBI.[101] The case resulted in the New Haven, Connecticut, Black Panther trials of 1970. Kimbro and Sams were convicted of the murder, but the trials of Seale and Huggins ended with a hung jury, and the prosecution chose not to seek another trial.

      And this found in mere minutes via a web search just scratches the surface.

      • jim_m

        Oh, the flag whispered in Roof’s ear. It played subliminal messages to him in his sleep. It played upon his subconscious until he felt forced to kill those people.

      • scottytreid

        The Church Committee lead by Senator Frank Church detailed the FBI’s illegal war on the Black Panther Party for Self Defense and how they set up, framed and assassinated not only Panthers but the civil rights movement, anti- war groups and others. The Black Panther Party worked with various groups of all ethnicities. J Edgar Hoover said the panthers must be destroyed because they were feeding children, if they feed children and keep helping all these communities help themselves, then they might start listening to the political message of Panthers. Every one who isn’t boot licking suspected racist or imbecile knows this.

        Some of the legacies of the Black Panther Party include free breakfast programs which was then copied by the federal government, food pantries, clothing drives, free medical clinics, they along with medical doctors developed the first tests for sickle cell anemia, political education, reading classes, cop watching and many more.

        Now tells us the legacy of the CSA. Racism and Slavery. Have a seat you idiot.

        • jim_m

          So your claim is going to be that Alex Rackley was not tortured and murdered by Warren Kimbro, George Sams, Jr., and Lonnie McLucas. I suppose that you believe that they were all framed despite their confessions. What a bunch of crap.

          • scottytreid

            Yes you are full of crap, did some individual panthers do some bad things, some of them sure did, but we are taking about the entire organization and what it stood for. Since you want to bring up torture, see George W. Bush.

          • jim_m

            So you are going to claim that the BPP leadership might be guilty of murder and torture and rape, but the organization in no way reflected their views.

            And yes, because water boarding, which causes no physical harm is EXACTLY like what happened to Alex Rackley for whom the principal method of torture was the pouring of boiling water over his torso, shoulders and thighs.

            You area a racist ass.

          • scottytreid

            Do you know how many “leaders” the panthers had? In fact I have never heard of any of those people you mentioned. The question is, whether or not the panthers were a racist organization and the fact is, they were not, In fact you would think conservatives would appreciate their work in helping people help themselves and not relying on the government. Question, who were the leaders of the Winston-Salem Chapter being honored for their children’s free breakfast program?

            You are just an uninformed suspected racist mad because your terrorist traitors flag was removed and we will eventually get rid of these monuments to white supremacists as well.

            Black Panther Party

            The Ten-Point Program

            We Want Freedom. We Want Power To Determine
            The Destiny Of Our Black Community.

            We believe that Black people will not be free until we are able to determine our destiny.

            We Want Full Employment For Our People.

            We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every man employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the White American businessmen will not give full employment, then the means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.

            We Want An End To The Robbery
            By The Capitalists Of Our Black Community.

            We believe that this racist government has robbed us, and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules were promised 100 years ago as restitution for slave labor and mass murder of Black people. We will accept the payment in currency which will be distributed to our many communities. The Germans are now aiding the Jews in Israel for the genocide of the Jewish people. The Germans murdered six million Jews. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of over fifty million Black people; therefore, we feel that this is a modest demand that we make.

            We Want Decent Housing Fit For The Shelter Of Human Beings.

            We believe that if the White Landlords will not give decent housing to our Black community, then the housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that our community, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for its people.

            We Want Education For Our People That Exposes
            The True Nature Of This Decadent American Society.
            We Want Education That Teaches Us Our True History
            And Our Role In The Present-Day Society.

            We believe in an educational system that will give to our people a knowledge of self. If a man does not have knowledge of himself and his position in society and the world, then he has little chance to relate to anything else.

            We Want All Black Men To Be Exempt From Military Service.

            We believe that Black people should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that does not protect us. We will not fight and kill other people of color in the world who, like Black people, are being victimized by the White racist government of America. We will protect ourselves from the force and violence of the racist police and the racist military, by whatever means necessary.

            We Want An Immediate End To
            Police Brutality And Murder Of Black People.

            We believe we can end police brutality in our Black community by organizing Black self-defense groups that are dedicated to defending our Black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States gives a right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all Black people should arm themselves for self- defense.

            We Want Freedom For All Black Men
            Held In Federal, State, County And City Prisons And Jails.

            We believe that all Black people should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial.

            We Want All Black People When Brought To Trial To Be Tried In
            Court By A Jury Of Their Peer Group Or People From Their Black
            Communities, As Defined By The Constitution Of The United States.

            We believe that the courts should follow the United States Constitution so that Black people will receive fair trials. The Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives a man a right to be tried by his peer group. A peer is a person from a similar economic, social, religious, geographical, environmental, historical and racial background. To do this the court will be forced to select a jury from the Black community from which the Black defendant came. We have been, and are being, tried by all-White juries that have no understanding of the “average reasoning man” of the Black community.

            We Want Land, Bread, Housing, Education,
            Clothing, Justice And Peace.

            When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect of the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

            We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

            Now what did the founding documents of the CSA say? We want to enslave Black people so that we can profit from their labor, rape their women and children at our leisure and commit any other crime we desire against them without interference. Yeah, that is about the gist of it.

            Sick ass sociopath.

          • jim_m

            Sociopath? Yes you are.

            It’s easier to just link a document rather than copy and pasting the whole thing. The 10 point program is typical socialist bioler plate and not all that sensational.

            But then, you find the “founding documents” of the CSA offensive. I suppose that you never bothered to look at their constitution. It’s pretty much the same as the US and doesn’t say all that much about slavery.

            SO you know far less than you claim.

          • ronj1955

            Sams was a lunatic who was paid by the FBI to snitch jacket people. Rackley got killed because Sams was working for the FBI and set him up.

          • jim_m

            Really? Because Sams turned states’ evidence you are claiming that the FBI ordered him to murder Rackley in order to set up the BPP. That’s lunatic.

      • Commander_Chico

        Posts like this just show why Movement Conservatism and the Republican Party are full of shit hypocrites and doomed to fail.

        On the one hand, they are always railing against “government” when government moves against some rich rancher asshole like Cliven Bundy who wasn’t paying his grazing fees for federal land.

        On the other, they vilify an organization which was fighting real government abuses like preventing taxpayers from voting and people exercising their First Amendment rights, through state violence. Yes, the Black Panthers.

        In the 1960s, black people were getting fucked by the government in multiple ways, and their rights to assemble, protest and vote were being denied by violent cops and feds.

        Black people were also denied government protection and services the they had paid for as taxpayers.

        When the Panthers exercised their Second Amendment rights to protect against tyranny,

        white folks shit their pants. That sicko closet queen J. Edgar Hoover violated the Panther’s rights in numerous ways in an illegal attack on the organization. That was COINTELPRO. Whatta joke that Warner cites the FBI website about the Panthers, whatta state tool.

        The tragedy is that the Panthers espoused a philosophy of pride, discipline and self-reliance which could have fought against the decadent culture of drugs, crime and welfare which later took hold of the ghettos.

        If true constitutional conservatives look at the Panthers clearly, without racial bias and with knowledge of the history, they can see an organization fighting tyranny.

      • Then again

        Excellent referances especially the About Terrorism The FBI was under J Edgar Hoover for heaven sake ! the panthers were NOT a terroist organization for heaven sake! they helped with community programs and protected the community against the police. I was in Chicago, and I am white and they were more help to their community than a problem WE were the problem at that time and Now!

      • ronj1955

        the FBI set up the Panthers every time they could. J Edgar Hoover was a racist…..I think the flag should not be part of the state flag, but I figure it’s a good thing to keep those reminders of the slaver states of america around, given that there are still so many racist whites in this country; and the fact that the system was built by and for racist landowners.

    • jim_m

      Neither was the Confederate flag which remains at best a piece of inanimate cloth incapable of independent action.

    • FrenchKiss

      Moron, the BP are a hate group. That’s enough to take down that stupid plaque.

      • Luz Bridgewater

        Not a hate group. They only dislike repressers and people trying to disenfranchise from the “American Dream” Can you tell me who the BPP hates? Hope you don’t mean crackers, cause they don’t count, as they are the enemies that created the need for a BPP.

        • FrenchKiss


          • Commander_Chico

            We know where you stand you racist motherfucker.

          • jim_m

            Says the commenter most universally recognized here as a bigot.

          • FrenchKiss

            I said nothing racist, so suck my d–k cocksucker.

          • jim_m

            Understand that because you have an IDF symbol as your avatar that Chico will hate you no matter what. Antisemitic Holocaust deniers are like that.

          • Commander_Chico

            Is FrenchKissMyAss your more wicked sockpuppet?

          • jim_m

            Unlike the typical lefty, I do not employ sock puppets.

          • FrenchKiss

            Wearing the uniform brings out the haters too. I use this avatar to smoke out the Jew-hating POS. The idiot takes the bait.

          • Commander_Chico

            In a recent survey, 97.2% of Americans found “I have soo much negro fatigue” to be a racist statement.

          • FrenchKiss

            Lol! Eat sh-t and die motherfucker.

    • Scalia

      I didn’t know the battle flag for the Army of Northern Virginia killed nine people. Links?

  • Cory Evans

    LOL..mad aren’t you? That flag is not going back up! The South LOST! I already know no one will speak on Hoover and his violence towards the BPP so I wont even go there. Long Live Assata ! #BlackPower

    • jim_m


    • Racist.

      • Luz Bridgewater

        Only one race….Human. Are you a card carrying member?

  • Caleb Maupin

    The Black Panther Party was not a hate group. It was an armed self defense organization of African-Americans. It had millions of white supporters. It was one of the greatest organizations in US history.

    • Luz Bridgewater

      Tell em Caleb

    • jim_m

      NO they were peaceful protesters advocating for human rights. The fact that 24 Black Panther Party members were killed in gun battles with police over 6 years has nothing to do with their truly peaceful agenda.

      The fact that Bobby Seale and Huey Newton publicly renounced political violence in 1972 in no way suggests that they had indeed advocated and promoted such activity and at the time was almost certainly regarded as one of the strangest non sequiturs in the history of politics,

  • Luz Bridgewater

    Only a stupid person would write and believe in your nonsense. Tongue in cheek, you think is appropriate, however you are just race baiting now. Remove your Klan robe and its bankrupt mentality because its finished.

    • Love it when the militant, black racists like this guy come out to justify the drug-pushing, murderous, racist, Black Panthers. There isn’t a single bit of difference between the KKK and the Black Panthers except that the KKK was around longer before it became a nothing. The BPP is newer and is still a hate group going strong.

  • 1JohnRyan1

    The Confederates were traitors. It would have been better if they were hung including that slave owner Robert E Lee

  • scottytreid

    It is good to see so many people commenting that know the difference between the NBPP and the BPP. There is no excuse for such poor “journalism” unless of course the writer has a racist agenda and purposely spreading disinformation about the BPP.

    • jim_m

      You are correct that these are unrelated groups in that their foundings and members are unrelated. However, the NBPP retains the same themes of violence as the original BPP. But it does carry them far further. The NBPP is thoroughly racist and openly advocates racial violence and the murder of white people. What little redeeming qualities the BPP had in terms of improving living conditions for blacks in this country are completely lost with the NBPP.

      Even so the article above does not conflate the two groups so your criticism is out of place. The BPP admitted to the fact that it was a “Black Revolutionary” group and it did advocate violence toward the rest of society. In fact, why would they have had the need to renounce violence if they had never supported it?

      • scottytreid

        He does conflate the two, he quotes former NBPP Malik Shabazz who recently made those comments. Can you not read? The BPP no longer exists and has not in over 30 years. And what problem do you have with armed self defense? I thought that was a conservative staple.

        • jim_m

          There is a difference between armed self defense and what the BPP subscribed to, which was armed revolt. They weren’t called black revolutionaries for no reason.

          • scottytreid

            So what armed “revolts” did they lead? Give it up, you obviously are very uninformed or simply ignorant. I mean do people like you engage in any thinking before spewing nonsense or are you just a pathological liar?

          • jim_m

            How many shootouts with police? They were spoiling for fights and they got them.

          • They were minding their own business on a search and destroy mission…

  • ohio granny

    The black panther party and the KKK have one thing in common. They both hate people of the opposite color.

  • jelani garvin

    I agree with this guy aoril01. If you called protecting black people in a decade when they could be lynched in a tree, or attacked by police dogs or put in jail for years for no reason domestic terrorism than you are an idiot. Name one instant when the BP attacked any american. Yeah they would stand outside their hq with weapons, but there is something called the 2nd amendment. That sign is a marker of history. Flying the confederate flag, is literally flying the flag of something that stood in direct opposition to the country you say you claim allegiance to. All that flag represents is the polar opposite of the USA, and slavery.

    • jim_m

      BPP was founded in Oakland. Not exactly the deep south you dumbass. I guess it must have been all those bigoted democrats in Cali that were oppressing the black man.