Just. Walk. Away.

trump-reporter

With Donald Trump’s latest exhibition of crassness, his mocking of a reporter with a serious disability, he’s given a gift to those whose sense of decency has given them qualms about the man… he’s given them the gift of the last straw… the gift of walking away while decency still exists.

Just. Walk. Away.

Crossposted at Brutally Honest.

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  • yetanotherjohn

    You might want to see the video of Trump making the comment. I know it’s hard to imagine, but the MSM reports don’t necessarily match the reality.

    • Watched it twice, The mockery is obvious and glaring.

      • retired military

        Maybe you should read your Christianity pieces Rick and you might learn how to treat people you disagree with. I aint perfect but I dont pontificate on my Catholicism every chance i turn around . I am not a Trump fan boy at the same time I don’t think your assessment is accurate either.
        I am quite sure that if Bush had the press go frame by frame to catch him in a bad position than you would be supporting him with the strength of Samson with the jawbone of a democrat.

        • So you’ve seen the video and you know Trump’s history and yet you think this deserves the benefit of the doubt AND you think my not extending that doubt is a sign of my being a terrible Christian.

          Ok.

          • jim_m

            If you have evidence that Trump had previously met this person then I think we would all be interested in seeing you produce it.

            Otherwise you are just smearing him and demonstrating what a godless hypocrite you are and confirming everything I have ever said about you.

          • yetanotherjohn

            Trump isn’t my first choice, but yes, I do think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Jazz Shaw and Ann Althouse, neither right wing extremists could look at the same video and come to a different conclusion. When diverse people see the same thing and interpret it differently, isn’t that the fundamental reason for extending the benefit of doubt. By you comments, I think that you had already made your mind up about Trump and viewed the video through that lens.

          • Absolutely. Crass people do crass things. I viewed the video and knowing this man’s history, I came to my conclusion. This has nothing in my view to do with right wing or left wing media, it has everything to do with a crass guy being crass.

            You guys want to defend him, feel free. I won’t.

            The sooner this guy departs the political premises, the better we’ll all be.

          • yetanotherjohn

            Perhaps some Catholic teaching would be best applied here.

            Assume the best. Always, always first try to find a positive interpretation of someone’s words or actions.

            http://www.catholic.com/blog/michelle-arnold/the-gentle-art-of-apologetics

          • retired military

            Trump need not apply in Rick’s world.

          • retired military

            So much for judge not lest yea be judged.
            So much for worrying about the splinter in someone’s eye while ignoring the beam in yours.

          • So weak. Seriously.

          • jim_m

            More evidence that Rick sees himself as sinless and refuses any correction from other believers, scoffing at the notion that he has anything to learn from anyone else.

            Daily, you bring shame on your church.

          • Brucehenry

            Troll

          • jim_m

            Read the comments from RM and YAJ. Tell us that Rick is not being a self-righteous asshole.

          • Brucehenry

            Neither one of those guys have followed Rick from thread to thread for 3 solid months badgering him about a remark he made in early September.

          • jim_m

            I haven’t brought it up in over a week IIRC. You are the only one bringing it up here and now.

          • retired military

            Not as weak as simply trying to derail someone’s ambition because of something you cant prove and all in the name of your RINOism. Ballless Boehner and McCuckold would be proud of RINO Rick.

            BTW Rick. How about a column about all the journalists making fun of Trump’s Hair. Oh wait you are indignant because Trump SUPPOSEDLY IN YOUR MIND made fun of someone’s physical attributes yet you say nothing about the reporters who OPENLY mock Trump’s appearance and you have absolutely NO problems with it as you have said nothing about those who have done it REPEATEDLY. And these are the folks who consider themselves sacred due to the first amendment. Your hypocracy is showing mr Rino.

          • jim_m

            RINO? The only support he gets here are from the resident leftists.

          • jim_m

            Actually, no one here is defending him. People are asking for proof of what he is accused of. Rather than accepting your claims without substantiation they ask for some sort of proof.

            Apparently, you have sufficiently destroyed your witness to be someone whose word cannot be taken as true without independent verification.

          • retired military

            I have NEVER seen you give Trump anything but the boot. EVER. I have not seen you write one good thing about the man. Yet you refuse to answer what has your boy Jeb given conservatives something to vote for. Oh wait that’s right JEb doesn’t need us. He said so.
            Tell Please Rick. What exactly does Jeb or whaever you are going to vote for have going for them other than they aren’t Hillary.
            you are quick to beat up Trump. Please be as quick to defend your establishment candidates. Oh wait. You missed that mark by MONTHS when I first I asked the question.

          • Commander_Chico

            Except for Rand Paul who has no chance, Trump is the only guy who might govern pragmatically.

            Idiots like Rubio who just said the USA should back Turkey over shooting down the Russian plane are far worse than Trump.

  • yetanotherjohn

    Here is another take on the video from a moderate.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2015/11/trump-outdoes-himself-with-this.html

    • Brucehenry

      So Althouse thinks it is amusing or something that the front-runner for the presidential nomination of one of THE two political parties in America can do this schtick: “Because that’s the line he’s hitting — making us think something and preserving deniability.” Trump can, in her words, “mock/not mock” this reporter and it’s oh so clever because he’s getting free publicity. I think it’s shameful and you should too.

      A decent human being wouldn’t have done it, or if he had, would have realized what it looked like and sincerely apologized. Leaves Trump out.

      According to Althouse, Trump is going after the 1960s Jerry Lewis fan vote, or maybe the Only-Reason-I-Like-The-Beatles-Is-Because-John-Mocked-The-Disabled-Fifty-Years-Ago vote. Or something. She’s almost as cynical and shitty as he is.
      https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12289748_10208013703159177_5135999595062817840_n.jpg?oh=0200a86de03f92f5943e3a8f4976cb83&oe=56AC2F90

      • jim_m

        I think most rational people recognize that Trump probably had no idea that the writer had this issue and that this was just mocking his feeble BS that he can’t remember what he wrote back in 2001.

        It’s just one more worthless gotcha from the left wing media. Who gives a crap? You lefties get all wound up about a bogus grievance of Trump allegedly mocking a cripple but you don’t give a crap if Hillary commits a felony, mishandles classified information allowing our enemies to basically read her emails for over 4 years, or if she orchestrates the imprisonment of some 4th rate film maker to provide cover for her screw ups as Sec of State.

        Mark this as one more reason why I don’t give a fuck about you Bruce or anything you say because you aren’t serious about how this nation is governed or about our national security.

        That being said, Trump is a jerk and I believe as David Brooks said on TV last night that when it actually comes down to voting, the vast majority of people who say they support Trump will go and vote for someone else because they don’t see him as a serious candidate either.

        • Brucehenry

          This guy was on a first name basis with Trump from 1987 to 1993 when he covered him for the Times. And what he wrote in 2001 did not back up Trump’s lie, did not mention “thousands and thousands of Muslims” in New Jersey “cheering” as Trump claimed he saw on TV (and of which there is no video), simply that authorities were questioning “a number” of Muslims of whom it was reported that they seemed to be “tailgating” while watching the Towers burn.

          It’s funny when you say you don’t give a fuck about what I say when you feel compelled to respond to my every comment. I’m quite certain you’ll respond to this one too.

          • retired military

            Oh yeah I could pick out peoples faces who I were on a first name basis with 22 years ago. Absolutely. And this from the “offended reporter” .
            If Trump gets the republican nomination I eagerly look foward to all the reporter eyewitness accounts of Trump murdering old ladies. I mean murdering babies are okay with democrats so it has to be old ladies. REporters will line up with eye witness accounts of how they saw Trump do it for years.

          • Brucehenry

            Getting a little carried away, aren’t we?

          • retired military

            Sometimes I wonder Bruce, Sometimes I wonder. Remember the Romney dog on the roof stories? Yet Obama ate his dog. or reid saying (with no proof) that Romney hadnt paid taxes in 10 years. (and I hated Romney)

          • Brucehenry

            LOL Obama didn’t eat Spot. It was reported that he tasted a rice dish with dogmeat in it. As a child.

          • retired military

            My fault on the dog part. I don’t follow Obama that close.

          • iwogisdead

            It seems that Bruce follows him that closely. Too bad he missed your point entirely.

          • Zelsdorf

            Who’s version was that? Obamas or the dog?

          • Zelsdorf

            Repeat a conversation with someone you had a glancing relationship with 22 years ago. Word for word.

          • jim_m

            Years ago in college, I recall that in my senior year someone walked up and said hello to me. I couldn’t remember who it was. It turned out that I lived just a couple of rooms down the hall from him Freshman year. People who don’t register as important don’t get remembered.

  • retired military

    Just saw the video. Looked like trump was describing in words and actions that someone was spassing out. My understanding is that confrontation between Trump and the reporter took place 14 years ago. I doubt Trump remembers the guy or how he looked.
    Rick why not write an article about Hillary mocking folks with southern Accents or African AMerican accents?
    here is some pictures you can use for your next few aricles.

    You can title them

    Jeb Bush imitating Bill Clinton (grabbing the puppies)

    George Bush imitating a monkey
    Jeb Bush imitating Dolly Parton doing breast exam

    Jeb Bush imitating Hillary at any press conference where Bhenghazi or her emails are mentioned.

    • retired military

      Clarification
      Trump states he has never seen or met the guy. Geez how the hell do you make fun of someone’s looks when you haven’t even seen him.
      of course, when you want someone guilty why even bother to try to look into it.

      • jim_m

        Rick has no problem with bearing false witness against people he dislikes.

      • Bruce nailed it when he said a decent human being wouldn’t have done it or would have apologized once he realized what it looked like…

        Instead, Trump has doubled down.

        You watch the video in context and you see that he doesn’t in the least gesticulate in that mocking way until he mentions the reporter.

        He knew exactly what he was doing.

        • retired military

          And every reporter who makes fun of Trump’s appearance is pure as driven snow. Because it is umm Trump .
          Just ask Rino Rick

          • Brucehenry

            Trump chooses to wear his hair like that. This reporter didn’t choose to contract this disease.

          • retired military

            Oh so that makes it okay to make fun of someone’s appearance right? If they don’t fit the liberal media’s appearance standards than they are fair game in news stories is that it?
            Remember how everyone mocked Michael Jackson’s appearance and then found out he didn’t have a nose.
            So are you saying that women who wear short skirts are asking for rape?

          • Brucehenry

            Carried away again take it easy.

          • jim_m

            We will just take that as a “yes” answer to RM’s last.

          • Brucehenry

            I’m sure you will because you are a dumbass.

          • jim_m

            So you once again deliberately refuse to take the opportunity to correct the statement. If people say these things about you Bruce it is only because you give them reason to.

          • Brucehenry

            I wouldn’t take the opportunity to address such a silly, out-of-left-field assertion, which has nothing whatsoever to do with what is being discussed.

            What could short-skirted women possibly have to do with Trump claiming to have seen something on TV which was never on TV?

            EDIT: No never mind don’t try to sidestraddle this thing and send it down a rabbit hole.

          • jim_m

            It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with you and your psychology. You would claim that any conservative woman who gets raped asked for it don’t deny that fact.

          • Brucehenry

            Out of left field loony craziness. I have never once ever implied that any woman anywhere ever asked to be raped.

          • retired military

            Jim
            IMO that is taking it too far.

          • Zelsdorf

            No but he chose to attack Trump. One must wonder how much the consortium of the left and the GOPe paid him. Rick, you on their payroll? You must love Hillary.

        • Zelsdorf

          Rick, obviously, you would not know what a decent human being looks like. Don’t look in the mirror. Not one there. You want a nice guy for President? I want an ass kicker.

      • Brucehenry

        Trump is lying. He knew the guy well in the 80s and 90s.

        • iwogisdead

          How do you know this? Is there a link or some reference?

          • Brucehenry

            Yes there are many. Here’s one. This reporter covered Trump for the Daily News (not the Times as I incorrectly asserted above.)

            http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/reporter-donald-trump-mocked-spent-day-mogul-1989-article-1.2448381

          • retired military

            Covered means nothing? Interviews?

          • Brucehenry

            Read the links. He says he interviewed Trump in his office. Another reporter remembers them being on a first name basis. Yada yada. Trump lied — again — just like he was lying in the first place when he said “thousands of Muslims” were cheering in NJ.

          • iwogisdead

            I dunno. Both links refer to events that took place over 25 years ago. The first link is based only on the reporter’s recollections. It looks like he was at several of Trump’s press conferences about an airline rollout with a bunch of other reporters.
            The second link has a second reporter talking about a brief greeting between the two of them at one of those press conferences.
            There’s nothing in there about knowing each other in the 90s, and nothing showing that Trump ever “knew the guy well.”

          • Brucehenry

            Yeah sure I’m sure Trump is being totally truthful when he says he never met a guy who he called and blew up at over an “unfair” story in the Daily News. He is being totally truthful when he says he never met the Daily News guy who was assigned to cover him for 6 years.

            The reporter says ” Donald and I were on a first name basis for years. I’ve interviewed him in his office. I’ve talked to him at press conferences. All in all, I would say around a dozen times, I’ve interacted with him while I was at the News.”

            http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/27/us/politics/donald-trump-says-his-mocking-of-new-york-times-reporter-was-misread.html?_r=0

            Think about it. On TUESDAY, Trump says, just before busting into this pantomime, “Now, the poor guy, you ought to see this guy” but on THURSDAY he says he’s never seen him and has no idea what he looks like.

            This is the guy who claimed he wasn’t calling Fiorina ugly when he said “Look at that face! Who would vote for THAT?”

            This is the guy who claims he saw, on TV, video of “thousands of Muslims cheering” in New Jersey, but nobody else saw this video. I don’t know about you, but I bet Pam Geller would be running that video 5 times a week for the last 14 years if it existed.

            Trump is a liar, an oaf, and a buffoon.

          • iwogisdead

            Well, he certainly looks like a buffoon in the clip. He doesn’t look “presidential” no matter what his intention is. He also looked like a buffoon on SNL, for what it’s worth. I’m still not sure that “you ought to see this guy” means anything other than the reporter is denying recollection of what Trump thinks he wrote, or that Trump’s waving of arms is anything other than Trump being a buffoon.

            Anyway, I don’t think Trump is the right guy for the GOP.

          • Brucehenry

            The point is he said “This poor guy, YOU OUGHT TO SEE THIS GUY” on Tuesday, but on Thursday says he’s never seen him himself.

          • iwogisdead

            Bruce, let’s take a walk down Dictionary Road. “See” can mean,
            among other things, to perceive mentally, to construct a mental image, to accept or imagine as acceptable, to be cognizant of, to recognize, to
            ascertain, learn, or find out, and to have knowledge or experience of. Does that help?

          • Brucehenry

            Helps me to see you are eager to excuse Trump for his antisocial behavior. To each his own. But if I were a praying man I would be praying this sociopath never gets near the nuke codes.

          • iwogisdead

            I never denied that his behavior was odd and I agreed with you that it was buffoonish. I’m only pointing out that when he says “you ought to see this guy” he doesn’t mean “I’ve looked upon this guy with my eyes.” I’m not sure he’s a sociopath.

          • Brucehenry

            Ok if you say so.

            Hey maybe that can be the new campaign slogan: “Trump! We Aren’t Sure He’s A Sociopath!”

          • iwogisdead

            The quality of your discussion seems to be deteriorating. Maybe it’s time for you to get some sleep.

          • Brucehenry

            You, on the other hand, seem well-rested enough to keep splitting hairs all night long.

          • iwogisdead

            Because you’re sure that Trump has admitted that he has “seen” this reporter? Please.
            I don’t think it has been shown that Trump was making fun of the reporter’s disability, and I don’t think he said that he had “seen” the reporter.
            He still shouldn’t have done it, because it looks silly.

          • Brucehenry

            Even accepting your explanation that maybe he didn’t remember the guy, a decent human being would have said, “I’ve looked at the video of how I responded to this reporter and can see where some might think I was mocking his disability. That was not my intention but I apologize for the impression I left.”

            That, IIRC, would be similar to how Obama handled his Special Olympics gaffe you mention downthread. And marks the difference between a well-intentioned but unfortunate gaffe and a deliberate mockery.

          • Zelsdorf

            I stopped visiting PowerLine some time ago. Now I know why. You folks are not nearly as conservative as you have fooled yourselves into thinking you are.

          • retired military

            Let me finish that for your Bruce
            “But we are sure that Hillary is one and both her and Bush are bought and paid for”

          • Zelsdorf

            Funny, you take the word of a lefty reporter without verification and weak backup at best. Make a list of all the people you talked to during the 80’s and 90’s some of which you must have been on first name basis with.

          • Brucehenry

            Well I do remember a crazy man named Zelsdorf von Ragshaft III who used to comment on Wizbang, but he has apparently been replaced by a day-late-and-a-dollar-short lurker.

            Seriously, go back to your years-long lurking and try to retain some shred of dignity.

          • Pay no attention to resident leftard brucehemorrhoid.

          • retired military

            And I don’t think Bush is either. Between the 2 I will take Trump. he cant do any worse than Obama but that aint saying much.. But he doesn’t owe his soul to the establishment either.

          • jim_m

            Definition of setting the bar low.

          • retired military

            True so true

          • jim_m

            You’ve proven that Trump met him, not that he knew him or remembered him. As I have said, reporters are pretty much nobodies.

            Also, Trump is guilty of exaggerating about the thousands” of muslims celebrating in NJ. However, there is proof that some were indeed celebrating and that is by far the more salient point and one that some on the left have categorically denied.

            And again, no one denies that Trump is a jerk.

          • Brucehenry

            Have you heard of this thing called the Internet, Jim? There are quite a few people on it denying that Trump is a jerk.

            Here on Wizbang, tonight, we’re not seeing explicit denials but we’re sure getting some excuses and “well, maybe’s”.

          • jim_m

            No one here, dumbass.

          • retired military

            My opinion for what it is worth.
            Trump can be a jerk. But he is honest about it. I think if he was doing it on purpose he would have apologized by now. He says he isn’t apologizing because he didn’t do it. I believe him. Your opinion may vary.

          • Commander_Chico

            Yes, Trump is rude and crude. But compared to the other idiots, not that bad.

          • Brucehenry

            BTW where is your proof that “some were indeed celebrating” in NJ?

          • jim_m

            That has already been reported that there were some incidents. Denying that is idiotic. Of course there are people in this country that hate the US.

            Hell, if you want proof of that just walk in front of a mirror.

          • Brucehenry

            Yes and it “has been reported” that this particular incident that Trump made up never happened. Because it didn’t.

            And when the reporter that Trump was citing as back-up for his lie points out that, “No, I never said that,” he gets mocked, Jerry Lewis style.

            This oaf may very well be your party’s nominee. And if he is, you will vote for him.

          • iwogisdead

            I’ll vote for him if he’s nominated, because he would be better than the corrupt, dishonest, influence-peddling, self-serving, dim-witted, destructive megalomaniac named Hillary [somebody] Clinton. Plus, Hillary is fat and ugly.

          • Brucehenry

            And Trump is not fat and ugly?

            And corrupt? And dishonest (as demonstrated here and elsewhere)? And influence-seeking? And oh my god self-serving? And dim-witted? And megalomaniacal?

            And also racist, don’t forget racist. Oooops, I mean “nativist” or maybe “populist.”

          • iwogisdead

            “Influence peddling” not “influence seeking.” Do you deny that Hillary has been peddling influence?

          • Brucehenry

            Right. Trump is a seeker of influence, Hillary is a possessor of it. Trump can’t peddle what he doesn’t possess, but I bet once he gets some he’ll sell some.

          • iwogisdead

            He doesn’t need to sell anything. He’s richer than God.

            Hillary has sold it. Just wait until (if) the Clintons are back in the White House.

          • Brucehenry

            Like I said, knock yourself out. Vote for Trump if you can stomach it. As if Bush didn’t make America laughingstock enough, we need a buffoon like Trump to finish the job, I guess.

          • jim_m

            0bama has made the US a laughingstock. Bush made the US respected globally. Most of Africa remembers Bush as the man who actually did something to help get their AIDS epidemic under control. 0bama killed those programs when he took office.

          • retired military

            “And corrupt? And dishonest (as demonstrated here and elsewhere)? And influence-seeking? And oh my god self-serving? And dim-witted? And megalomaniacal?

            And also racist, don’t forget racist. Oooops, I mean “nativist” or maybe “populist.””

            I am confused I didnt know we were talking about Obama

          • retired military

            Unfortunately that is what the establishment and Bush are counting on. The “At least I am not Hillary vote” Bush’s greatest selling point. I played that game with McCain and Romney. The GOP establishment stuck us with McConnell and Boehner and told us to pound sand. Jeb stated he didn’t need my vote and he hasn’t said anything to make me believe otherwise.. Fine . Fuck them and the horse they rode in on.

          • retired military

            Hillary cant keep her emails straight from 4 years regarding if any were classified yet Trump gets pinged for not remembering an article word for word from 14 years ago.

            BTW I am not voting for Trump or anyone else. The establishment republicans need to get rid of McCuckold McConnell if they want me to vote in this electoin. And Bush had better not be on the ticket.

          • retired military

            I remember stories about it but I cant say any were in NJ much less thousands in NJ. Of course if Biden had said something similar the press would say “Oh that’s just Joe” and drop it like a hot potatoe.

          • retired military

            Actually he proved that the guy said that he met Trump.

          • jim_m

            OK, so the guy says he met Trump and Trump says he didn’t or at least that he doesn’t remember meeting him.

            Dispositive proof that.

          • retired military

            He says he interviewed Trump. Another reporter says ….
            Yep reporters are such stalwart bastions of truth. Why to listen to reporters Hillary has no clue about her emails, her servers or anything. And reporters stood behind Obama on his $2500 her family comment and Obamacare would reduce the deficit.
            Got any photos of the 2 of them together.

    • The Bushes have earned the benefit of the doubt… Trump has earned my complete disdain.

      • retired military

        That is your opinion.
        GW has earned mine.
        Jeb has earned my disdain but your ass kissing.
        Trump is up in the air.

        • Commander_Chico

          Only old man Bush. Junior was a fuck up.

  • yetanotherjohn
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    I love his sense of humor.

    • Commander_Chico

      Neocons have the knives out for Trump. Trying any kind of attack. Rick is just a repeater.

      As jim said, no evidence this guy was anything but a byline to Trump.

      Go Trump! Greatness or burn it all down.

      • Actually, the evidence is mounting that Trump knew this reporter and knew him well.

        • retired military

          Show us please.

          • Bruce has elsewhere.

          • jim_m

            Bruce has posted no links on this thread as of 6:02PM Eastern Time.

          • Brucehenry

            Umm, yes I have.

          • jim_m

            You posted one image link and it is not exactly proof of anything. It is not a link to anything anyone would consider proof.

          • Brucehenry

            I posted links to two articles, one from the Daily News and one from CNN, about 5:40 or so.

          • jim_m

            Ah, I see. You mean the comment that you edited after the fact to add links. It wasn’t there until I refreshed my screen.

          • Brucehenry

            If you say so Pathetic One lol.

          • The comments were there…

          • jim_m

            Which is it? You said I should refresh the page (just a few comment above) and now you claim that I didn’t need to?

          • Jim might want to ctl-f5 before jerking the knee.

          • retired military

            All Bruce has said is that the guy has covered Trump. No interviews, no personal face to face meetings, etc.
            Do you think Trump remembers the face and characteristics of every reporter w ho has bashed him or as Bruce has said “Covered him”. How many thousands of reporters bashed GW and “covered him” and how many do you think Bush remembers by face or name?
            ??

          • Brucehenry

            The guy covered Trump for one of the major New York papers for 6 years. No one denies that.

            I ran a pizza place for 12 years, and many of the customers there pissed me off over the years. I remember them, as well as a lot of the customers who DIDN’T piss me off.

          • jim_m

            I have several family members that are/were journalists. The fact that you cover a beat doesn’t mean that every person on that beat (in this case business) knows who the heck you are. In fact just because this guy wrote a couple of stories about Trump doesn’t mean that Trump remembers him.

          • Brucehenry

            Here’s what happened. Trump made up (or imagined) the lie that “thousands of Muslims” were cheering in the streets of New Jersey on 9/11. He says he saw it on TV and cited as back up this guy’s story that some Muslims were being detained to investigate this so-called tailgating.” When the reporter pointed out that he never said anything about “thousands” or even hundreds, and nothing about “cheering,” Trump, as he so often does, went on the attack in a mean-spirited, bully-boy way. Waving his arms and talking in a higher pitch, he certainly SEEMED to be mocking this guy’s disability, especially when he said “This poor guy, you ought to see this guy.”

            THEN he lied when he said he never met him. And lickspittles like you made excuses for him.

          • jim_m

            It has not been established that Trump knew the reporter or could place the reporter in any meaningful context.

          • Brucehenry

            Ha ha even if he can’t remember the reporter he still did the rest of what I said he did.

          • jim_m

            People remember ideas more than they remember individuals.

          • iwogisdead

            Bruce has not proved that Trump “knew him well.”

  • jim_m

    Nothing to see here. Just Rick once again accepting blindly the bogus assertions of left wing commentators without bothering to understand or investigate the issue.

    Move along…

    • Brucehenry

      Or Jim once again accepting blindly the self-serving lies and assertions of a crass, oafish buffoon without bothering to understand or investigate the issue.

      • The evidence is mounting that Trump knew this reporter and knew him well.

      • jim_m

        No. I see no reason to assume that he knew a reporter. Reporters are pretty much nobodies.

        On the other hand, Rick has, within the last few weeks, published a umber of stories from radical leftists without looking at his sourcing and without criticism of what was written. His posts are highly suspect.

        And finally, I don’t care what you think, but I do care about the truth (something which you have demonstrated repeatedly means nothing to you).

      • iwogisdead

        Bruce, did you get this worked up when President obumble showed his disdain for the Special Olympics on TV?

        • Brucehenry

          Actually I wasn’t happy about that but this isn’t the same thing. Obama didn’t start waving his arms around and acting all spastic like Trump did. Reminded me of the Limbaugh/Michael J Fox thing.

          • jim_m

            Or when Biden told the wheelchair bound person to stand up? Or when Biden made fun of Indian convenience store owners? Or when lefties across the country made fun of Condoleeza Rice or Clarance Thomas as House n*ggers? Or when They made fun of Ben Carson claiming a neurosurgeon was a moron?

            Let’s be honest. You only give a damn when you can score political points, otherwise you are a bigot.

          • Brucehenry

            Oh so Biden saying stupid shit makes it OK for Trump to lie about “thousands of Muslims” and OK for him to mock a cripple and then lie that he never met him. Got it.

          • jim_m

            No it doesn’t. I’m just pointing out that you really don’t care.

          • retired military

            He didn’t say that. Just pointing out that Biden is VP now and has been for 7 years. Also the press doesn’t care about anything Biden says where as with Trump they will swear he rapes little doggies if they think it would hurt his chances of being president

          • Brucehenry

            He DID say that, that’s what this whole kerfuffle is about. Trump said he saw video of thousands and thousands of Muslims cheering in New Jersey on 9/11. And continues to insist that he saw such video — but no one else ever saw such video.

          • iwogisdead

            Right. obumble was making fun of EVERYONE

  • Vagabond661

    The “shiney” is the video. The facts are people cheered in the US when the towers went down. Why the fuck are those people even here?

    • Brucehenry

      What video is that? Link to it.

      • Vagabond661

        The video everyone is talking about. Rick wrote this piece about it.

        • Brucehenry

          The video Rick wrote this piece about is of Trump allegedly mocking this reporter’s disability. It most certainly DOES NOT SHOW anyone cheering when the towers went down.

          • Vagabond661

            Uhm yeah I know Bruce. Too much turkey?

          • Brucehenry

            The point is that Trump claimed to have seen video, on TV, of “thousands of Muslims” cheering in the streets of New Jersey. But such video does not exist, because the incident Trump claims to have seen on television DID NOT HAPPEN.

            I have seen video of Palestinians in Gaza cheering and dancing on 9/11, but there were no incidents of large numbers of Muslims in America dancing with joy on that day, and anyone, including Trump, who claims there were is lying.

            Not in New Jersey, not in Dearborn, Michigan, not anywhere in the US.

            Trump is the only guy I know, besides Jim, who can’t remember things that did happen and can remember things that didn’t.

          • Vagabond661

            RM posted an article about an FBI report of people cheering when the towers went down.

            In this article here police detained and questioned folks about celebrating the towers going down. Keep in mind, it’s not against the law to do that and police can’t arrest people for celebrating. Nowhere in the report does it say it didn’t happen. :

            http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/23/politics/donald-trump-new-jersey-cheering-september-11/

          • Brucehenry

            You need to read your link all the way through. It demonstrates just the opposite of what you seem to think it demonstrates.

            RM’s link demonstrates that the FBI got phone calls from many people, many of whom could be cranks. Neither of these links back up Trump’s claim of cheering thousands on video, now do they?

          • Vagabond661

            I know what it says. I give it a grain of salt becasue it’s CNN.

            “And in a September 18, 2001, article, The Washington Post wrote that “law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.” But there was no source for the information and there is no evidence of anything coming of the questioning.”

            Did the WP just make that up? Is RM’s post bogus too? What are we to believe?

          • Brucehenry

            There were detentions of people ALLEGEDLY seen “celebrating.” And there was NO SOURCE and NOTHING COMING from it.

            Pretty far cry from “thousands cheering” on TV, now ain’t it.

          • jim_m

            It’s amusing watching you demand that we accept Trump with some literal meaning here and yet you defend Hillary on the Benghazi video, which is a far more outrageous lie, so outrageous that she put a man in prison to cover up her own malfeasance.

          • Brucehenry

            As Scalia demonstrated when he rebuked Rick the other night, and didn’t reprimand you, just because one guy does wrong doesn’t excuse another guy’s wrongdoing.

          • jim_m

            So that is your excuse for not ever criticizing and dems ever? Pretty sad.

          • Brucehenry

            I sometimes criticize Dems. I’ve always condemned the ones, including Hillary, who voted for war in Iraq.

          • jim_m

            You condemn Hillary, but you defend her on Benghazi, you defend her on the email scandal and you will vote for her no matter what. Some condemnation.

          • Brucehenry

            I hope to vote for Bernie but will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee as opposed to any of the Republicans now in contention.

          • [citations required]

          • Brucehenry

            Look ’em up, many of them were on these boards.

          • Vagabond661

            No source – they people complaining didn’t leave their names
            nothing came of it – police couldn’t arrest someone for cheering

          • Brucehenry

            Right. Yet you say it “is a fact” that people in this country were celebrating 9/11. Yet you have seen no video of same. The only evidence you seem to have is that a newspaper reported that there were police reports of some rumors of “tailgate parties.”

          • Vagabond661

            So we are not to believe reporters? Like Trump said?

          • Brucehenry

            You can absolutely believe reporters when they say that police are “investigating reports.” It doesn’t make the reports the police are investigating true.

          • Vagabond661

            I dunno Bruce. This seems to validate Trump. RM had it above. He linked several videos. This is Anderson Cooper:

          • Vagabond661

          • jim_m

            Wow, dig a little and it looks like Trump was right after all.

          • Brucehenry

            Two guys “recruiting” outside a mosque in 2009 does not equal thousands cheering on 9/11.

          • Brucehenry

            This video is about TWO GUYS who say they are a group which calls itself “Revolution Muslim.”

            I don’t doubt that there are hundreds of nutjobs like these two, maybe thousands. But no, this video in no way “validates” Trump.

            Trump made a very specific claim, to have seen video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims dancing in the streets with joy on 9/11. Except there is no video, because the incident this imaginary video was supposed to be of didn’t, you know, happen.

          • jim_m

            There are 12 million muslims in the US. According to This 2007 Pew report as many as 8% believe that suicide bombings of civilians are at least sometimes warranted and up to 5% support al Qaeda.

            So that is up to 960,000 who believe that suicide bombings are OK and 600,000 who sympathize with al Qaeda.

            Your claim that US muslims did not celebrate 9/11 by the thousands is frankly unbelievable based on the evidence of their beliefs.

          • Brucehenry

            No, my claim is more believable than the Donald’s, who claims to have seen nonexistent video of an event which never happened.

            BTW there were about 2.6 million Muslims in the US in 2010. Did 10 million more get here in the last 5 years?

            https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=How+many+Muslims+live+in+the+US%3F

          • jim_m

            The figure I was looking at was “Between 5 and 12 million”.

            Even so, using the 2.6 M figure still leaves you with over 200k people believing that suicide bombing is OK and 130,000 al Qaeda sympathizers. If only 2% of the above celebrated Trump has his thousands.

            Your claim that it never happened is still unbelievable.

          • Brucehenry

            And your claim that it did is unproveable. And silly.

            If it had happened those celebrating would have had their asses beat. Instead, there were isolated incidents of turban-wearing pedestrians being attacked for nothing.

            I bet there were some American Muslims glad it happened, but there weren’t any “thousands cheering in the streets” as Trump claims.

          • jim_m

            So your claim that muslims didn’t do it is to cite the huge wave of anti-muslim that is well documented to have never taken place despite the claims of race baiting asshats like yourself.

          • Brucehenry

            There were some incidents, not many, and not nearly as many as some tried to convince us had happened. But were I using Trump’s standards, I would claim to have seen hundreds of videos on TV demonstrating that there were HUNDREDS of attacks. Which there were not. And if challenged, I would refer to stories of police “investigating reports” of these Islamophobic attacks.

            See now?

          • jim_m

            Then pony up those reports of all that anti-muslim violence. THe point was that it never, ever happened. The second point was that the left was invested in showing that anti-muslim violence happened and remains invested in this fantasy narrative that terrorism has nothing to do with islam and that muslims in the US are not sympathetic to terrorists.

          • Brucehenry

            Ok I’ll concede (“arguendo,” as Scalia says) that there wasn’t a single anti-Muslim attack in the days after 9/11. But still, if I wanted to use Trump standards, I’d say I saw video of them, even though no video exists. And if I was challenged, I would refer to newspaper reports that “police are investigating” this allegation or that.

          • jim_m

            There were credible reports of people celebrating. There were people who made public pronouncements condemning the US. Your whole argument rests on the assumption that these people never existed and never made any such statements.

          • Brucehenry

            No, I said that there were never any occasions when “thousands cheered.” There may have been some of these “tailgate parties” but that is not the same thing, and actually, there is no proof that there ever were any actual “tailgate parties,” just reports that police were investigating allegations about them.

          • jim_m

            And it has been stated clearly by others here that Trump probably conflated the celebrations overseas with the reports out of NJ. But the left and you have taken the position that no such activities ever happened in the US and that no muslims in the US support terrorism. Furthermore, the media and the dems maintain the fantasy that islam has nothing to do with terrorism.

          • Brucehenry

            Umm, did you see the CNN report with Anderson Cooper that RM linked to? Is that what you mean about the media maintaining the fantasy that Islam has nothing to do with terror?

            Also, no, no one here has used the word “conflated” or any of its synonyms to describe what Trump said.

            And also too, no one including “the left” or I have taken the position that “no such activities ever happened in the US.” You just made up that strawman out of whole straw, as it were, right out here in front of God and everybody.

            EDIT: It’s no wonder you find it so easy to defend Trump. Like him, you know things that aren’t so, and don’t know things that are.

          • retired military

            Bruce Look at the Katrina coverage. You still have folks who claim sniper fire happened yet this has been disproven.
            Look at the “gentle giant”. It has been sworn to in court that “hands up dont shoot” never happened yet you have congressman doing it on the floor of the House
            The media covers these things as facts and when the talking heads bring them up the reporters never (that I have seen) say “Hey that has been disproven”
            As you said. Two wrongs dont make a right. At the same time stop having all the wrongs called on the right side and none of the wrongs being called on the left and still repeat the memes of the left as fact on top of it. it happens over and over again.

          • Vagabond661

            But a reporter reported it. It happened! It was AC repotlrting! Not Brian Williams!

          • Vagabond661

            I repeat and by the way now you are doing it:

            The “shiney” is the video. The facts are people cheered in the US when the towers went down. Why the fuck are those people even here?

          • Brucehenry

            Aaaaand again you say “the facts are” that people cheered in the US when the towers went down.

            Well, MAYBE some did but where is the video? And my point was not that maybe some did but that “thousands of Muslims in New Jersey” DID NOT, but Trump swore up and down, and CONTINUES to swear up and down, that he saw “thousands of Muslims in New Jersey” cheering on TV.

            The fact is that HE DID NOT SEE WHAT HE CLAIMS TO HAVE SEEN. That is what is called a “bald-faced lie.” Why is he making such a claim? Because he wants to stoke the xenophobia and racism of millions of rubes like…..well, like any rube who believes him or will excuse him because, dang, even if there ain’t no video, them mooslims probly WUZ a-cheerin’! you know how them durn mooslims are.

          • Vagabond661

            You doofus. It ain’t about Trump. It’s about people in our country cheering bad things happening to American citizens. And doofuses more worried about what trump said instead of people wanting bad things to happen to us!

          • Brucehenry

            But you don’t know that anybody cheered, and there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that any large number of people cheered, in New Jersey or anywhere else,

          • Vagabond661

            You mean besides the TV report, the FBI report, the Anderson cooper report?

          • Brucehenry

            We are talking here about what happened on the day of 9/11. The Cooper report link was 2009. The “TV report” I don’t know what you mean. The “FBI report” you mention is not an “FBI report” at all, just a link from a blog where an ex-FBI agent claims his office got “tons” of calls in the days after 9/11 saying somebody seemed to be celebrating. No one saw or filmed any of these celebrations, apparently, but you have repeatedly insisted that “it is a fact” that these tailgate parties actually happened.

            Again, the newspaper guy said “police were investigating” some reports of rumors of tailgate parties, NOT THAT THERE WERE ACTUALLY ANY TAILGATE PARTIES.

          • Vagabond661

            OK let me get this straight. Now your point is there were no tailgate parties? How about cocktail parties? Tupperware? You are grasping at straws Brucie…

          • Brucehenry

            No, dude, my point is that you are asserting as fact that “People were cheering” as if you had evidence of it. You do not.

            You keep acting as if this newspaper guy had reported that these “tailgate parties” had actually happened. He did not. He reported that there were allegations of them, and that the police had detained “a number” of folks to question them about it. The number was not in the thousands or eben in the hundreds, and these reports said nothing about anybody cheering.

            It is you who grasp at straws. I’m trying to keep you grounded and remind you what the sentences in the report actually, you know, SAID.

          • Vagabond661

            You think maybe if they wanted bad things to happen in 2009 that MAYBE JUST MAYBE they still wanted bad things to happen in 2011. Do you think just MAYBE there were enough Muslims wanting bad things to happen in 2011 that maybe JUST MAYBE they would hijack I don’t let’s say 3 or 4 airplanes and maybe JUST FUCKING MAYBE FLY THEM INTO THE TWIN TOWERS BUCKO?

            Do you suppose maybe just maybe since there are people who hate us so much they would train and fly planes into biilding that there maybe just maybe be people cheering them in this country!?! To think there is not is the height of ignorance or the full support of those people wanting to harm us.

            Which is it?

          • Brucehenry

            I have said, on this thread, that I don’t doubt there are hundreds or thousands of Muslims in this country who probably wished us ill on 9/11 and still do today. But you have insisted, over and over, that “people cheered” on 9/11 but have no evidence to support your assertion of fact.

            If I say there are lots of people who cheered this Planned Parenthood shooter the other day without posting evidence of same, what does that make me?

            Oh wait, bad example…

            http://www.vocativ.com/news/255542/hundreds-cheer-planned-parenthood-rampage-as-gop-stays-silent/

          • Vagabond661

            You probably don’t believe there is voter fraud…oh wait good example.

          • Vagabond661

            And dammit Bruce. You are aware there are things that happened in history that we don’t have video proof….right?

  • retired military

    Here we have pictures of Jeb Bush

    a. Making fun people with harelips

    b. Making fun of people with big breasts

    c. Making fun of people with narcalepsy

    d.making fun of black men strereotypes

    e. Making fun of disabled people who don’t walk normally
    See how one frame can make all the difference to damn someone.

  • retired military

    BTW Bruce. Ref celebrations on 911 by Muslims in the US.

    I remember numerous stories. Also there is this
    http://wkrg.com/2015/11/25/credible-source-on-9-11-muslim-celebrations-fbi/
    I don’t proclaim to know what Trump saw or didn’t see.
    I believe that with this reporter he has given a plausible explanation. Your opinion differs. I don’t think that it differs because you hate Trump’s politics or hate Trump but that you believe it and aren’t colored by the other 2. I don’t give Rick the same benefit

    • Brucehenry

      Trump said over and over he saw video of this on TV.

      No, he didn’t.

      • Vagabond661

        Personally i think Trump is mistaken on the video. But that’s not what is important. The important thing is people in this country and abroad cheered.

        • Brucehenry

          Oh so now it’s “and abroad.” Hardly surprising that those reared to think of the US as the Great Satan would cheer. Did Trump lie, or did he not, when he claimed to have seen video of “thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheering as the Towers went down?”

          • Vagabond661

            C’mon Bruce. I included abroad because they did. As to did Trump lie, he did when he said we would save $2500 on my insurance, that I can keep my doctor, he can’t just send out an order for amnesty because he’s not a dictator……oh wait….that’s someone else.

            Seriously though, like i said, i don’t think he lied. I think he was mistaken.

          • Brucehenry

            Well he continues to say he was NOT mistaken and that there was video of thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheering on 9/11. So is he lying NOW?

          • retired military

            Show mewhere Trump said there was video of this. I mean did he say he saw it or was there video of it. Hell he could have seen a video clip of the those like CNN above and heard NJ in the news thing for that matter. Also check out the other video where he talks about the reporter who REPORTED that muslims where having cookouts on rooftops celebrating.
            Now the reporter is saying “i didnt say that” when Trump is reading the WAPO artile verbatim.

          • Brucehenry

            Again, and I don’t know why I have to keep repeating this you ain’t stupid, the reporter DIDN’T say there were tailgate parties. The reporter said that the police were “investigating reports” of “alleged” tailgate parties. No tailgate parties were ever demonstrated to have happened.

            Might there have been some? Maybe. But Trump’s claim wasn’t ABOUT tailgate parties. It was about “thousands cheering.” He says, to Stephanopolous, that he saw it himself on TV.

            Again, if there were such a video, Pamela Geller would have run it every single day ever since.

          • LiberalNightmare

            So, help me out here, if I shouldn’t vote for Trump because he lied, who are you voting for?

          • jim_m

            Bruce wants a candidate like 0bama because 0bama has never lied.

          • Scalia

            Snopes attempts to debunk most of those lies or explain them away. I think a much better demonstration can be found in All False Statements Involving Barack Obama.

          • Brucehenry

            So if Obama robbed a thousand banks, and Trump robbed one bank, and Bruce rebukes Trump for robbing a bank, is Bruce wrong to rebuke Trump?

          • jim_m

            Um, yes. When you rebuke the person for the one incident and constantly excuse and find justification for the thousands of other incidents by the person who is your ideological ally, you are wrong.

            You cannot look at the one in isolation. It is your behavior as a whole that is repulsive.

          • Brucehenry

            Tell it to Scalia, who defended you on another thread using exactly this logic.

          • Scalia

            Nope, if indeed Trump actually mocked him with the knowledge that he had that disability. I wasn’t replying to you; I replied to Jim because I don’t believe the link he gave adequately supports his contention that Obama has repeatedly lied or grossly misstated facts.

          • Brucehenry

            “Attempts” to debunk them? LOL.

          • Scalia

            I read through most of them, Bruce. Several of their “debunks” are very strained and clearly demonstrate a pro-Obama bias. Any neutral observer wouldn’t twist some of those matters the way they did. That notwithstanding, the link is actually the opposite of what Jim intended, so that’s why I posted what I think is a much better documentation of Obama’s dishonesty. If I have to spell it out for you, I was attempting to correct Jim.

          • Brucehenry

            Yes I get that but he’s gonna need more correction than that, lol.

            And yes, *several* of these debunkings may have been strained but most were not. Yet the zombie lies, debunked or not, live on.

          • Scalia

            True. I agree that most of the allegations in that link are either outright fabrications or a grossly inaccurate reading of the record. My link is far better.

          • Brucehenry

            Many of those in your link are far too simplistic and all the little meters point to the same point. But yes, your link is more damning to Obama, if you accept Politico as unbiased.

          • Scalia

            I don’t get what you mean by simplistic. They all link to detailed analysis supporting the claim that the president’s statements were clearly false. The reason why each meter points to “false” (hover your mouse over the meter and click it for the details) is because the record shows that Obama’s statements were indeed false.

            I get it that presidents have speech writers and a research team which may often bungle the facts. They can’t be expected to get everything right, but they are what they are regardless who wrote them. If I made that many false statements, I’d pitch a fit with my research team.

          • Brucehenry

            D’oh! Didn’t see that until you pointed it out, sorry, senioritis.

            But the one I randomly chose, where Obama claimed that manufacturing jobs were being added for the first time “since 1990” when he should have said “the 1990s” — does that equal, in your mind, saying that he saw something on TV that he did not, in fact see, and could not have seen, because it did not happen?

          • Scalia

            No, they are not equal. It is equivalent, however, to ascribing your birth to the Selma march when you were born before anybody ever thought of having a march there–which Obama’s apologists unconvincingly attempt to explain away. It is also equal to blaming a video for acts you knew were caused by something else (which Obama apologists again twist and turn mightily to justify). In fact, the latter is much, MUCH worse than Trump’s delusional assertion that he watched thousands celebrate 9/11.

          • Brucehenry

            OK I get that. But at least we agree that Trump’s claim is delusional, and don’t excuse it as “conflating” or even less.

          • Scalia

            It was either delusional or he’s a gross exaggerator. I’ve known a few of them in my life (one of them a close family member). It’s not that this person (the family member) was deliberately lying; he just got caught up in the moment and made things either bigger or smaller than they were. We lovingly and at times not so lovingly chided him for flubbing the facts, but we don’t see him as a liar.

            For me, I see Trump as somebody who shoots from the hip and runs his mouth before he thinks things through. I find it hard to believe that somebody who makes that kind of money and pays close attention to financial detail would be such an exaggerator. It’s possible he conflated things, but, again, I find that difficult at best to believe.

          • Brucehenry

            And yet if a guy with these character traits becomes your party’s nominee you will vote for him.

          • Scalia

            I wish you had typed that in the form of a question, but I’ll take it as a question anyway and answer: Not a given. Certain criteria must be met before I give somebody my vote. So far, he does not have it.

          • Brucehenry

            I assumed and you know what that makes me, lol.

          • Scalia

            A Democrat? 😉

          • jim_m

            So you are now denying that thousands of muslims in Gaza and elsewhere in the ME didn’t celebrate 9/11, weren’t dancing in the streets, and weren’t passing out sweets? Interesting, since that IS well documented and really did happen. Your declaration that the notion that Trup conflated the two is indefensible. You can say that you do not believe that he did, but your current position is a fucking lie.

          • Brucehenry

            I am explicitly NOT denying that, as a matter of fact I was the first one on this thread to mention it. And you are a delusional dumbass.

          • Scalia

            For what it’s worth:

            In a 2007 opinion piece, progressive watchdog group Media Matters for America accused Politico of having a “Republican tilt”. In a letter to Executive Editor Jim VandeHei, Senior Political Writer Ben Smith and Chief Political Correspondent Mike Allen, Editor in Chief John F. Harris reminded his colleagues that they had left the more “traditional news organizations” where they had worked previously, starting Politico with the intent to be more transparent. To that end, he asked his colleagues for an honest assessment of the claims set forth in the letter from Media Matters. Ben Smith answered: “Media Matters has a point: …that Bush’s public endorsement made us seem too close to the White House. That was clearly a favor from the president to us (albeit a small one), and felt to me like one of those clubby Beltway moments that make the insiders feel important and the outsiders feel (accurately) like outsiders.” The other primary editors disagreed with the general accusation for a variety of reasons and some pointed to accusations of a liberal bias from the other side of the political spectrum.[15] In 2011 and 2012, The Daily Caller, Mediaite, and Breitbart.com, each published stories saying that Politico.com has a liberal bias.[16]

          • Brucehenry

            Not because he lied, because he lied to stoke racism and xenophobia, because he mocks cripples, because he is a buffoon who makes this country, and your party, public laughingstocks, and this claim he has made and the video Rick linked to here, shows it once and for all.

          • jim_m

            Wait, were you talking about 0bama just there, because everything you said could easily be applied to him.

          • LiberalNightmare

            Yeah, yeah – I get it. You dont like Trump.

            So, who in your opinion would be a better vote?

          • jim_m

            He will vote for Hillary because he doesn’t care how corrupt or incompetent the person is as long as they come from his side. He will vote for whatever criminal is put up by the dems because worse than having an anti-American imbecile like 0bama or a corrupt felon like Hillary, would be allowing a conservative to be elected no matter how virtuous, no matter how competent, no matter how fair minded.

          • Scalia

            I would also like to see Bruce answer this question. Bruce is chiding some of us for an alleged support of Trump, but what about Clinton’s character? On what basis will a defense be made of a vote for her? If a person’s character disqualifies Trump, why doesn’t it disqualify Clinton?

          • jim_m

            No, he is chiding us for not condemning Trump more vigorously. Most here have said that they are not thrilled with him as a candidate and would prefer to see someone else nominated.

            To answer your question: Nothing could ever disqualify a dem. Not any crime. Not even their own demise.

          • Brucehenry

            Well like you guys (except for Chico) I will vote for Hillary as an alternative to whever the GOP puts up, IMO she would be better than any of the candidates on the GOP side, except possibly Christie who is not insane.

          • jim_m

            So you do not believe that her obvious corruption is a problem? Or her flagrant disregard for the public as demonstrated by her willingness to lie repeatedly to the American people in order to cover up her own incompetence? Or her obvious incompetence and incapacity to admit error?

          • LiberalNightmare

            So you would give Christie a pass for “bridge gate”?

          • LiberalNightmare

            one thing you can say for Trump – hes not under investigation by the FBI.

          • Scalia

            If Trump is delusional for thinking he saw thousands of Muslims in America celebrate 9/11, Hillary is delusional for thinking she was under enemy fire and had to scramble for cover. In fact, Trump’s delusion can be explained by the fact that he got confused watching a foreign broadcast and thought it occurred in America, whereas Hillary was never under enemy fire and deliberately made the whole thing up.

            Are you accusing everybody on the GOP side of having the same type of character as Mrs. I-was-named-after-Edmund Hillary?

          • jim_m

            Was she delusional when she ignored weeks of briefings saying that there was going to be an attack on the consulate in Benghazi? Or the multiple please for additional security from the ambassador there? Or when she lied to the US public that it was all a spontaneous attack over some obscure internet video when she already had reports that it was a coordinated terrorist attack that had been planned for many weeks?

            All those things Bruce is willing to overlook. The claim that he thinks that she is more qualified is laid bare as the disgusting lie that it is when you pay attention to the manifest evidence of her corruption and incompetence and disregard for the lives and safety of Americans. He knows of all these things and yet he is willing to make the outrageous claim that she is still better than a whole list of people, none of whom have even remotely the history of corruption and incompetence that she has.

            Every comment he writes claiming that he believes she is a better choice is a lie. The only way she can be regarded as better is if the person making that claim believes either that 1) America needs to be destroyed as 0bama has been doing or 2) That the purpose of the President is to be an enabler of graft and corruption and the sole purpose in that job is to channel corruption for their party and to wield the power of the government to persecute the opposition and to criminalize their activity (as 0bama has done with the IRS and EPA and other federal agencies.)

          • Brucehenry

            Trust you to come up with a kooky rejoinder lol.

          • jim_m

            Not kooky. You have to either
            1) be ignorant of everything she has done for the last 20+ years
            2) believe that the job of the President is to foster corruption, distribute federal funds to friends and use the government to attack and punish political opponents
            or
            3) believe that the US needs to be destroyed and that the President should do everything in their power to tear down our nation and enable our enemies.

            To be fair #3 is not mutually exclusive of the other two.

            I know that you are not ignorant of her history so I can only conclude that you are in favor of the corruption she represents. There are no other choices as you have refused to offer any and your joking dismissal just comes off as a weak attempt to deflect the truth of my comment.

          • Brucehenry

            Yes I am sure you “can only conclude” whatever delusional nonsense you conclude. Go fuck yourself you nutjob.

          • jim_m

            Yep. You have no response other than to support someone you know is totally corrupt. You would rather destroy the nation than allow someone else to lead it. Hillary may win but it will be a Pyrrhic victory for you.

          • Brucehenry

            Except that my objection to Trump is not based solely on this incident. Trump embarrasses me as an American. I’d no more vote for Trump than for Jerry Springer or Maury Povich.

          • LiberalNightmare

            lol – but not too embarrassed to vote for the queen of shakedown

          • Scalia

            And Hillary doesn’t embarrass you? Her whoppers are well-documented. As far as character is concerned she has, at this point, the worst of every candidate, Left or Right.

          • Brucehenry

            Yet as a former Secretary of State she has the respect of most serious people on the international stage — if you exclude the RWNJs who make up the FOX audience. Trump does not. Cruz does not. Paul does not. Huckabee does not.

            OTOH Bush does, maybe Rubio, maybe Christie.

          • Scalia

            Again, her character is far worse than any GOP presidential candidate, Trump included. Trump may conflate, exaggerate or see things that aren’t there, but Hillary clearly makes things up and deliberately lies to provide cover for herself and Obama. That’s far lower than anybody on the field and, yes, she should embarrass you far more than Trump.

          • LiberalNightmare

            Lets not forget Hillary’s situational southern accent, never seen or heard above the mason dixon line.

          • Brucehenry

            Well with any luck my nominee will be Bernie who has sterling character and who presents without a whiff of either corruption or hallucination about him, thus absolving me of responsibility for voting for what I would otherwise find a choice of the lesser of two evils.

          • jim_m

            He is the lesser of two evils. That says quite a bit when the better choice is an idiot socialist that has failed to learn the lessons of the last 75 years in politics and economics.

          • LiberalNightmare

            I must admit that any serious member of the international stage would have to appreciate the sheer volume of air miles that HC has racked up.

          • Scalia

            Oops! I’ll have to take back my sniper fire example…my bad:

            https://youtu.be/uHVEDq6RVXc

          • jim_m

            That is a presumption for which there is no evidence. The Russians laugh at her for her moronic faux pass over the reset button. The Chinese respect her for her willingness to sell them out classified technology and information.

          • LiberalNightmare

            And what about Rubio or Cruz? Both minorities. You would rather vote for an old rich white women over a minority?

          • Brucehenry

            Rubio might possibly persuade me. Cruz is a religious fanatic and I don’t like religious fanatics.

  • retired military

    Youtube doesn’t generally scrub their sites of all things politically incorrect

    Includes that right wing CNN news reports as well


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BtQgTGOI4

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=muslims+911+celebrating

    plenty more clips at the 4thlink

    • Brucehenry

      Plenty more clips at the 4th link alright, none of which back up Trump’s lie, er um I mean claim.

  • retired military


    Check out around 40 seconds in where trump is quoting from the WAPO article that the guy wrote.

    Yet the reporter states “I didn’t say that” . Gee you would think that if reporters wrote FACTs all the time they could get their stories straight.

    • Brucehenry

      The guy wrote that the police were “investigating reports” of celebratory tailgate parties. That was true, the police WERE investigating reports.

      That doesn’t make the reports accurate, and it doesn’t come CLOSE to confirming Trump’s claim that thousands were cheering on video. Does it?

      • retired military

        Hillary taking machine gun/rocket fire (whichever it was)
        Hillary being named after Sir Edmuch Hillary
        Obama and his bio proclaiming he was born in Kenya
        Anything with Hillary and Bhengazi, her emails, her servers,whitewater, Monica
        her statement that people claiming they have been raped should be believed and
        Juanita Broderick asking “Hey Hillary what about me?”
        and a whole host of other things libs say and do including
        just about everything Joe Biden says.

        If Trump farts during the debates it would be like a shot heard around the world

        Trump cant catch a break from the media because he is a repubilcan. if he was a democrat he would
        have the media backing him up stating that yes there were stories of that but the muslims nowadays are nice
        and love the US so much.

        My main reason for commenting on this thread is Rick and his antitrump tirade.
        Meanwhile I am still awaiting to hear why we should vote for Jeb other than
        he is not Hillary. Rick has made numerous comments on this thread yet he has chosen to ignore
        this simple question.

        I have yet to make a statement and not stand up and defend it on these boards.
        You and most of the other posters (barring Cheeko) have done the same. It would be
        nice if the author of so many antitrump threads would tell us why Jeb is so great. I mean
        he Jeb was the Pope we would have gotten 30+ threads on why he is the best thing since sliced white bread.

        • Brucehenry

          I haven’t seen Rick post any pro-Jeb articles. Least I don’t remember any.

          • retired military

            I don’t either. But he has damned Trump quite a few times.

            And he does stick up for Jeb as he did above.

            I have asked him several times who is he backing and gotten crickets. Nada, zip, zilch.
            Only more antitrump rhetoric.
            He claims he doesnt want Hillary in the oval office but I would be willing to bet if Jeb is the nominee then Hillary will win. And it is a pretty common asumption that the establishment (AKA RINO) republicans would rather see Hillary in the WH
            rather than Trump or Carson.

            If someone asks you a question at least be man enough to answer it. You dont have that issue, neither do I.
            Unfortunately the same cant be said for some people.

          • Except I’ve posted that Mr. Rubio of all of them seems the most viable candidate for me personally at this time.

            And as an aside, my manhood isn’t defined by who I vote for…

          • retired military

            Well if you said Rubio I missed it. Maybe it was in one of your Pope threads that I don’t bother with.
            Did you post reasons why other than he isn’t Hillary?
            If so please post the link I would like to see it. I am willing to admit if I missed it.
            As for you manhood who you vote for has nothing to do with it. Being willing to back up what you think with something logical and answering questions about your statements show that you have a backbone. Something Cheeko sorely lacks.

          • That would be because I haven’t.

          • retired military

            But you sure defend him

        • jim_m

          You left out 0bama claiming that his parents decided to have him after the Selma march in 1965 despite the fact that he was born in 1961.

  • retired military

    Maytbe Bruce and rick would cut Trump some slack on the accuracy of his statements if he had quoted Peter jennings.

    • Vagabond661

      Or Brian Williams. Oh and Dan Rather.

      • Brucehenry

        Shorter you three guys: Same old boilerplate yada yada.

        • jim_m

          even shorter Bruce: “I got nothin”

        • retired military

          Truth hurts Bruce

    • jim_m

      He would cut Trump some slack if he were running as a dem. He will defend anyone who is a dem no matter what they say.

  • Par4Course

    I must have missed that Rick was supporting Trump until he was shocked by this video. Trump is the only GOP candidate who has attracted support from anyone except hard-core Republicans. Whoever the GOP nominates, a lot of so-called conservatives will find a reason to stay home on November 8, 2016. Only by reaching a broader base can there be any hope of preventing Hillary from continuing or doubling down on Obama’s policies. After B.Hussein Obama’s reelection in 2012, there is no reason to believe in American electoral sanity.

    • Brucehenry

      That’s funny that’s what I said in 2004.

      • retired military

        Link it or it aint so.
        Kidding . Just kidding 🙂

      • Par4Course

        Please, America dodged a bullet by not electing that idiot Kerry.

  • Pretzel__Logic

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HOBTUCv4o0 I for one like the fact that Trump is defending himself against a lying, agenda driven press. He has zero tolerance. Having spent time with special olympics, this comment by BHO was far far worse. I’s questionable whether Trump mocked him, move along.

    • Brucehenry

      The difference being that Obama, as a thinking, feeling human being, did not claim that to criticize that “joke” was to be “politically correct.” He admitted immediately that it was an insensitive and unfunny thing to say and apologized for it. He didn’t double down on it and call critics of his remark unfair or claim he was being persecuted because of it. And he didn’t flail his arms around in a Jerry Lewis impersonation while he made the “quip.”

      • Pretzel__Logic

        No, the difference being is no one in special olympics did or said anything about Obama. He was being an ass as usual. When a journalist lies and has a clear agenda and without endorsing Trump here, he is open to criticism and backlash. Also one can only honestly guess what Trump was doing there.

        • Brucehenry

          Pretty sure lots of people associated with Special Olympics DID express outrage over Obama’s “joke.”

          Also, what are you accusing this journalist of lying about? He simply pointed out that his article said nothing about any “thousands cheering” in NJ on 9/11. That’s not a lie — it didn’t.

          • Pretzel__Logic

            You’re splitting hairs. Liberals are always zeroing in irrelevant points in orderr to divert from the subject at hand. I am pointing out liberal hypocrisy, especially in the press. I’m pretty sure I couldn’t care less what you’re pretty sure about.

          • Brucehenry

            You said the journalist lied. I asked what he lied about. Is that splitting hairs? BTW what is the “clear agenda” this journalist reveals when he tells Trump he didn’t say what Trump claims he said?

          • Pretzel__Logic

            The reporter said he didn’t report the celebration in NJ . He did. You’re questioning the head count of what a guy saw on tv 15 years ago.

          • Brucehenry

            No. The reporter wrote that police had detained “a number” of people to question them in regard to allegations of “tailgate parties.” There was no “head count” because there was no video or other evidence that any of these “tailgate parties” had ever occurred.

      • retired military

        Bruce Look at the clip that has the reporter talking. The guy doesn’t have ticks or body motions like Trump did. He doesn’t jerk his upper body around with uncontrollable motions as some people do. He simply has his arm up frozen in place. If Trump had ,mimicked that then I would say you and Rick would have a case on this matter. He doesn’t. SO I have to disagree with you on grounds previously stated and with rick because he is a trump hating RINO.

  • Paul Hooson

    Trump has to be one of the most crass and uncouth men ever to seek consideration as presidential material. My own sister was born with some birth defects that required 32 medical operations to correct as well as possible. I resented kids making fun of her at school so much that I used to carry knives and weapons to school and one blew up and nearly killed a kid on the playground, knocking him unconscious, nearly ending up in the juvenile justice system. I tried to be like Jesus and turn the other cheek for days, until finally my rage let loose.

  • Zelsdorf

    Trump did not start it. If you pick on him, you get what you get. I do not feel sorry for a reporter who lies about Trump. Whether or not anyone thinks Trump crass does not understand him. If mocking some lying asshole is Trumps worst sin, and that is the best you’ve got. Good luck with anyone else. The establishment seems destine to foist a candidate on us who cannot win. Twice the GOPe has given us losers. Trump is a winner. You dumb f**ks all must love Hillary.