Trump Boycotts Fox Debate

The Republican National Committee dumped NBC over the behavior of the moderators at a debate hosted by its partner, CNBC. Yesterday, Republican presidential front-runner, Donald Trump, announced that he would boycott the upcoming GOP debate hosted by Fox News.

The locus of Trump’s angst appears to be Fox News political commentator, Megyn Kelly. Trump is evidently upset over the exchange he had with Kelly at the last Fox-hosted debate:

Trump also appears chagrined at Fox News in general:  “At a press conference in Marshalltown, Iowa, Trump told reporters that he was likely to skip the debate because he’s incensed with how Fox News has treated him.”

Fox News chairman and CEO, Roger Ailes, has issued a strongly-worded statement in defense of Kelly, including:

Her questioning of Mr. Trump at the debate was tough but fair, and I fully support her as she continues to ask the probing and challenging questions that all presidential candidates may find difficult to answer. Donald Trump rarely apologizes, although in this case, he should. We have never been deterred by politicians or anyone else attacking us for doing our job, much less allowed ourselves to be bullied by anyone and we’re certainly not going to start now.

Such chest thumping from both camps evidences high levels of testosterone, but Ailes appears willing to to be a little flexible about being bullied, especially when it comes to money and ratings. The Daily Mail is now reporting:

And while the network appears to be publicly siding with Kelly, who is still set to moderate Thursday’s debate, the network is also reportedly trying to privately plead with Trump the best way they know how – through the women in his life.

Joe Scarborough, who has a close relationship with many people at Fox News, revealed on Morning Joe Wednesday morning that Fox News CEO Roger Ailes had been trying to contact both Ivanka and Melania Trump hoping they could convince Trump to change his mind, but that Trump would only speak to Rupert Murdoch.

Yes, that’s the manly way—try to get a man’s wife and daughter to do your dirty work.

Meanwhile, Senator Ted Cruz is now referring to Trump as Ducking Donald. How about the simple, Donald Duck? One can agree that Kelly’s question was a cheap shot, but overall, Fox’s moderators have been asking substantive, relevant questions. Their behavior doesn’t come close to the dingbat-fest we saw at the CNBC debate. Trump’s penchant for evening the score provides ammunition to those who question his temperament. Although I share Trump’s disdain for political correctness, and though Kelly misplaced the temperament question in bowing to the same, Trump should have risen above such pettiness. If little things like that effect such a reaction from him, one does not have to have Trump-phobia to be concerned how he would react when far greater provocations come his way if he were president.

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  • Says it all in my view…

  • You guys see Trump’s new hat?

    • Paul Hooson

      Does Trump have any supporters with an IQ higher than about 60? When interviewed, most of his rally supporters are airheads unable to create a complete sentence. It’s like an old George Wallace audience….In high school there was the dorks table in the cafeteria, and most supported Wallace…

  • Brucehenry

    I hardly thought Kelly’s question was “bowing to political correctness.” Anybody who has a wife, sister, daughter or mother might wonder about Trump’s penchant for insulting women, and the part where she wants to know how he’ll handle Hillary’s framing of said insults was valid indeed.

    Trump could have said “Hey I’m the host of a realty show and have adopted an outrageous persona, kind of like Stephen Colbert did. Those things are part of my schtick, I don’t REALLY hate and look down on women.”

    • Scalia

      I took his response to say as much when he said that it was in jest. If true, then those objecting are bowing to political correctness. Trump’s reply, for the most part, was sufficient. The fact that he got twisted over it is what causes me concern. He made a mountain out of a molehill.

      • Brucehenry

        If I can’t tell if a crappy joke is a crappy joke or a deliberate insult, that doesn’t make me, necessarily, “politically correct.” It MIGHT just make the teller of said joke guilty of violating society’s standards of civility, decorum, and fairness.

        But your point is valid. Why blow this out of proportion and act like a petulant schoolchild? It was over, pretty much, until he pops off THE NEXT DAY about Kelly “bleeding out of her whatever” and suchlike rudeness.

    • yetanotherjohn

      I’m hold no special brief for Trump, but I think you are falling for one of those classic media “truths” that they repeat often enough that they hope no one will be intelligent enough to actually question the meme, namely that Women somehow hate Trump.
      Here is a cross tab for from a recent poll in Florida of Trump vs Clinton (http://business.fau.edu/departments/economics/business-economics-polling/bepi-polls/index.aspx#.Vqlf9fkrLDe). If women really hated Trump (or liked Clinton), you would expect a major piling on for Clinton.

      Donald Trump Hillary Clinton Undecided

      Gender Count Row N % Count Row N % Count Row N %

      Male 264 53.2% 195 39.4% 37 7.4%

      Female 210 40.9% 251 49.0% 51 10.0%

      Total 474 47.0% 447 44.3% 88 8.7%

      What you see is Trump beating Clinton in a crucial purple state and Clinton not even able to get a majority of women.

      One thing I do like about Trump is that he is calling the MSM bluff. They aren’t being honest with us, so I like someone poking a figurative finger in their eye.

      • Brucehenry

        I’ve seen no one here, least of all myself, assert that “women hate Trump.” The question is Trump’s hissyfit, ongoing for months now, because Megyn Kelly hurt his widdle feewings by asking him to take responsibility for his years-long hobby of calling women he hates “fat pigs” and the like.

        • yetanotherjohn

          So women don’t have a problem with Trump despite “Anybody who has a wife, sister, daughter or mother might wonder about Trump’s penchant for insulting women”, but you think he is vulnerable on it?
          He’ll answer Hillary the same way he has answered every other awkward question, with an extended middle finger.
          Should we want to have a front runner who acts that way (after 7 years of thin skinned Obama), maybe not. But the question isn’t should we, but do we. He is the front runner. As Glenn Reynolds suggests, spend less time getting upset at him and spend more time trying to understand why he is the front runner. It’s not his years of experience as the governor of a major state.

          • Brucehenry

            I didn’t say he was “vulnerable on it” either. I said there was nothing wrong with Kelly asking the question she actually asked — it was a valid question.

            I think I DO know why he’s the frontrunner for the GOP nomination. Because the GOP platform is “Whatever pisses off liberals today, updated daily.”

          • yetanotherjohn

            And women/voters don’t care what the question was or what the answer was.
            If that many people like the idea of Trump poking a finger in the media/liberals eye, then perhaps your candidate of choice would be well advised to do the same.

          • Brucehenry

            As I said. The “conservative” position is whatever pisses off liberals. Maybe a “conservative: like Trump will win — no platform, no position, just hey I’m politically incorrect I say whatever racist sexist shit pops into my head.

            I fear for America if that happens. A buffoon like Trump will be America;s Gorbachev — without the gravitas.

          • Jwb10001

            Bruce one could say that the liberal position is anything that pisses off conservatives. Liberals and conservatives have different ideas and views. Additionally, it is not reasonable to call trump a conservative, he shares more positions with liberals than real conservatives.

          • Brucehenry

            Trump’s actual positions as espoused over the years certainly have been more like a liberal. However in this campaign he has adopted the persona of a rabid anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, phony-Christian, gun-fondling, macho-mouthing so-called “conservative” and is being allowed to get away with it, and is the frontrunner of the party identified with what today is called “conservatism.”

          • Jwb10001

            Conservatives are not anti immigrant, I’m sure you know that but can’t resist. Conservatives want to put a stop to illegal immigration, every one should oppose illegal immigration. As you know Trump isn’t fooling everyone, more people here oppose him than support him. The democrats have a few issues too you know.

          • Brucehenry

            I keep putting “conservative” in quotes to denote that I know Trump’s “conservative” act is a fraud. I also know that “conservatives” — maybe not conservatives, but “conservatives” — are indeed anti-immigrant.

            I’ve been around a long time. I know the same “conservative” who tells you he has no problem with LEGAL immigration will follow that remark up with a joke about kidnapped cats at the Chinese restaurant har har. He doesn’t know an H1-B visa from an HIV virus.

          • Commander_Chico

            So if his “conservative” act is a “fraud” to attract the “know-nothings,” what’s so bad about that? Would you prefer Cruz, Rubio, Jeb, and all of their establishment and neocon warmonger support? I include Hillary among the neocons, too.

            Trump knows how to win. His history and statements indicates he would be more pragmatic than the other candidates.

          • Brucehenry

            If by “pragmatic” you mean “say anything you think appeals to rubes” then I agree Trump is “pragmatic.”

          • Commander_Chico

            Can’t argue with success.

          • Jwb10001

            Here’s some more nastiness from your boy Trump:

            The Trump who now extols veterans spent years clamoring for New York City’s politicians to take action and ban even those street vendors with special disabled veteran’s licenses from the environs of Trump Tower.

            Never mind that for more than a decade Trump sought to deprive veterans in need of their meager livelihood because he found them unsightly nuisances who should not be allowed anywhere near his gleaming headquarters on Fifth Avenue.

            He went on, “Do we allow Fifth Avenue, one of the world’s finest and most luxurious shopping districts, to be turned into an outdoor flea market, clogging and seriously downgrading the area?”

            Just like the freakin’ oligarch that he is, can’t have those stinkin’ vets in front of his building, no sir that won’t do. No wonder you love him so much. Not only is he a chickenhawk he actively works against vets.

          • Commander_Chico

            What other candidates website did you get that distortion from?

          • Jwb10001

            Oh so quotes from Trump are now distortions? Wow what day is the Sabbath in the religion of Trump? You’re moving from follower to disciple. When Trump said he could walk down the street with a gun and shoot someone and people would still support him he was talking about you.

          • Commander_Chico

            You placed a context of licensed veterans on it. There is no indication Trump was talking about licensed vendors.

            If you know NYC, you know unlicensed street vendors obstructing sidewalks are a problem.

            Again, which candidate’s website did you get that BS from?

          • Jwb10001

            I didn’t get it from any candidates web sight. I could care less if you believe it or not. My simply pointing out that you make no sense, I’m starting to suspect you’re faking support for Trump since he’s so opposite everything you ever spew here.

          • Brucehenry

            Sure you can. A successful charlatan is not a man to be admired.

          • Commander_Chico
          • Brucehenry

            Neither of which address my main objection to him — that he is an oafish buffoon and a loose cannon, a megalomaniac whose behavior, flip-flopping, and Barnum-esque antics would make the US presidency a laughingstock.

            I don’t get the logic of those who say “Anything, anything at all, would be better than what we’ve had.” That is absolutely, manifestly not so. A Trump presidency, I fear, might lead to the actual breakup of the union in the same way the Soviet Union dissolved. He has demonstrated no competency in government or diplomacy — as a matter of fact he has issued statements calling into question his intelligence and sanity. His business record (which includes bankrupting a fucking CASINO) is mediocre at best. He will say anything at any time regardless of consequences, because he has bet that the rubes are so angry they will vote for anyone who will “stick a finger in the eye of the establishment.”

            This loony behavior may indeed get him elected but bodes ill for how he would actually govern.

          • Jwb10001

            You’d rather have an egomaniac, self obsessed idiot? What do you think happens when Trump can’t get Iran to do what he wants? Do you think he exercises restraint and seeks a diplomatic solution? I doubt that, he’s a hair trigger moron. If this is the guy you want with his finger on the nuke button than you’re a bigger idiot than even I give you credit for.

          • Jwb10001

            By the way you think the statement “we’ll bomb the shit out of them and threaten their families” is pragmatic? How is this position any different than Cruz, other than the threatening families part, which hint, doesn’t make it any better.

          • Commander_Chico

            I am betting that Trump’s opposition to the Iraq war and the hatred that the neocons have for him is a harbinger of better things.

            One thing I know: Hillary and the rest of the GOP dwarves except for Rand mean war with Iraq. Wholly-owned by the neocons.

            Things can’t go on with the lies that most are peddling. Better to burn it all down and start anew. Joint Chiefs will stop anyone from launching nukes without reason.

          • Jwb10001

            That was then, as is clear Trump has no positions he has only ego. If it feeds his ego and gets him on TV he’s for or against whatever depending on day. He also now says he wants to go into Iraq and take their oil, You signed up for that?

          • Commander_Chico

            I defy you to find an expression of regret of the loss of not only American lives, but Iraqi lives too, as in Trump’s comments above, from ANY of the other candidates. Maybe from Bernie.

            Again, Trump’s not perfect, but he’s got more potential than the zombies that are the GOP crowd (except for Rand) and Hillary.

          • Jwb10001

            I asked you if you’re cool with Trump going into Iraq and taking their oil and you give me some he expresses regret crap, so what? Out of one side of his mouth he says, oh sorry out of the other side now I want to take your oil because…. I don’t see any other candidates on either side taking a position like that. Hey NO WAR FOR OIL dude….. You know what it, just dawned on me, I bet Trump has money in Haliburton. I’ll see if I can find that out for you,

          • Commander_Chico

            So what? Chico owns XOM. Proves nothing.

            Trump will NOT be invading Iraq, that’s for sure.

            I want to know which neocon you’re pimping for. Try defending them and comparing with Trump.

          • Jwb10001

            I don’t pimp for anyone unlike you I don’t worship at the feet of any of these guys. You’re the only guy here that’s sold out everything he ever espoused to support an empty suit with an ego attached. I will tell you this however Trump is the last guy I would support (tied with Clinton), we’re talking about being president of the US not try outs for reality tv.

            If Trump’s not going to invade Iraq how is he going to take their oil? Oh wait he’s going to ,make a deal right? That’s his answer to everything. Or is it just another BS line from the ego that roars.

  • Mjolnir

    Sounds as thin-skinned as Obama.

  • Brucehenry
    • Scalia

      Sorry, but that doesn’t wash. The author’s examples are very selective. How about THIS as a counterexample? You can’t say “brown bag” to refer to your lunch? You can’t say “citizen” because it might offend non-citizens?? That’s NUTS!! (oh, is that offensive too?).

      • Brucehenry

        These are guidelines for city employees for language to be avoided in official city communications. No one is banning “you” from calling folks citizens or eating a brown bag lunch.

        • Scalia

          I know it was for city employees, Bruce, and it’s still NUTS!! Those kinds of speech codes need to be ridiculed and are pristine examples of PC gone amok. Tolerance swings both ways, sir.

          • Brucehenry

            Well I agree these are kind of out there. But people who want to say offensive stuff and then claim hero status for being “politically incorrect” kill me sometimes. SOMETIMES they have a point, but sometimes they are just being rude, or racist, or sexist, or homophobic (like, say, LImbaugh often is). Or just obnoxious, like Bill Maher.

  • Par4Course

    Trump doesn’t have to answer Megyn Kelly’s questions – so he won’t. Too bad there will be record low rating for the FNC debate.

  • Is this how Trump would govern, by tantrum?

    No thanks.

    • Jwb10001

      Then after his hissy fit he’ll go straight to Twitter warfare.

    • LiberalNightmare

      yeah, he should do a GQ article, or maybe a round of daytime talk shows!

  • Commander_Chico

    Another masterstroke by Trump. Is this post about Cruz, Rubio, or Jeb? No, we are talking about Trump. Again, read Scott Adams if you want to understand Trump.

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/138125409321/trump-fox-news-and-megyn-kelly-explained-master

    • Brucehenry

      And when the Twin Towers came down, we were all talking about Bin Laden. Doesn’t mean he was going to win the GOP primary.

      • jim_m

        OK. That was a good one.

      • Commander_Chico

        We will see in the next 2 weeks. Who can beat him?

    • Jwb10001

      You still on trump? Have you bothered to find out his positions, at least his positions today? Did you see his big ad about vets that used Russian troops, must have been one of those master strokes of his.

      • Commander_Chico

        Trump has the right enemies.

        • Jwb10001

          So you’re cool with the biggest ego on the planet leading the country because he doesn’t like the same people you don’t like? Damn good reasoning there.

          • Commander_Chico

            Yep. Plus almost all the other candidates suck.

        • Not until you are counted among them.

          • Commander_Chico

            Der Sturmbannführer is among them.

            When are you coming out of the closet with your candidate?

          • Ha, Ha!

    • Hank_M

      I agree, Adams really seems to understand how Trump works.

      BTW, didn’t dems refuse to debate on Fox a few years back, including Obama?

      And why aren’t our liberal friends here applauding Trump. I thought they all hated what they like to call Faux news.

  • LiberalNightmare

    Does Trump need Fox, or does Fox need Trump?

    Tune in tomorrow to find out.

  • Paul Hooson

    Normally this would be political suicide right before the Iowa caucus to leave your opponents on the stage to trash him and not respond or defend himself, but knowing the luck of Donald Trump, nothing is kryptonite to him…

    • Scalia

      It’s not without precedent.

    • Commander_Chico

      If it was really suicide, his opponents would not be so pissed off about it.

      He’ll get more attention hosting that fundraiser for veterans than the GOP dwarves in the debate.

      • Jwb10001

        Who’s pissed? Cruz is making fun of him, he even has a hat mocking the pussy. That should impress you since you know if it’s on a hat……

  • honestAbesurd

    Is he going to boycott world leaders if he doesn’t get his way. PFFTi

  • Hank_M

    You know, I don’t care that Trump is skipping a debate, lies, has no principles and has an ego the size of the solar system. We’ve just lived through 7 years of the same thing with Barry O and the democrats. And there’s a good chance that if Hillary is elected, we get all that and a psychopath to boot. Some worry about Trump with his finger on the nuclear button. Big deal, We’re on the verge of having Iran’s finger on the same button along with every other country in the middle east and this more than likely includes Isis.

    Trump is a big middle finger pointed at the ruling political establishment. The same establishment (both dem and repub) that has pointed the finger at us for the last few decades.

    Want us to support conservative values when we vote? Then try governing with conservative values when we elect you.

    • Commander_Chico

      Agree with you except for the Iran shit. You’ve been reading too much neocon propaganda.