Potential Rape Victim Likely to be Fined for Defending Herself with Pepper Spray

A 17-year-old girl will likely be fined for defending herself with pepper spray, Yahoo! News is reporting.

A 17-year-old girl who was attacked by a man in a city center at night told police that he knocked her to the ground and unbuttoned her pants, trying to undress her, but she turned on him with pepper spray and was able to escape. Her assailant fled and hasn’t been caught, but the victim is facing legal consequences.

“It is illegal to possess and use pepper spray, so she will likely be charged for that,” local police spokesman Knud Kirsten of Sønderborg, Denmark, told TV Syd about the incident, which occurred at 10 p.m. on Jan. 20. Her fine will be around 500 kroner ($73), and many commenters on TV Syd’s story have offered to pay it for her.

It is hoped that this event will help eradicate the lunatic mentality that self-defense should be discouraged, but I’ll not hold my breath.

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  • Bad enough when the state interferes with deadly self defense, there is no excuse for the state doing so with non-lethal self defense.

    • Commander_Chico

      Because nobody ever used pepper spray to rob someone. It can only be used for self defense.

      I don’t agree with the law, but there is an argument for it. Up to the Danes to decide.

    • Brett Buck

      Don’t forget that these are those all-so-sophisticated Europeans that the effete left would aspire to emulate.

    • Constitution First

      Count me in for lethal self-defense.
      While It certainly modifies the behavior of the assailant, the secondary message offers great economy.
      Unless, of course, you like living like animals.

  • docwatson55

    When the revolution starts, begin with the bureaucrats.

    • yetanotherjohn

      You really have to wonder how much the bureacrats recognize that choice A (letting in large numbers of Muslim refugees) leads to consequence B (girl getting attacked) and that choice A should have been accompanied by increased security (personal or state)? Instead, they no doubt blame the girl for provoking the rape attempt.

  • yetanotherjohn

    Despite their viking history, the Danes are a pretty peaceable bunch. The Danish state made the choice to disarm citizens because the crime rate was low. But now that the peaceable Danes have let in the unpeaceable, then the state needs to protect it’s citizens or let it’s citizens protect themselves.

  • Commander_Chico

    They have a law. She’s getting hammered with a whopping $73 fine. Her life is ruined.

    Of course even though there is no corroborating evidence this girl was attacked, we know nobody ever just makes shit like this up to get attention.

    I believe her, Jackie at UVA, and all victims of rape culture without question.

    • iwogisdead

      I assume we only know about her use of pepper spray from the same source that we know of the attack–the girl’s own story.

    • Scalia

      They have a law.

      Really? Thanks for the update, Chico, but we already knew that.

      She’s getting hammered with a whopping $73 fine.

      Yeah, $73 is no big deal. Just keep paying fines for unjust laws.

      Of course even though there is no corroborating evidence this girl was attacked…

      That’s not at issue and not the point of the post. She might be lying, but what if she isn’t? There shouldn’t be a law prohibiting citizens from defending themselves with pepper spray (or firearms, for that matter). The Danes are, of course, free to enact whatever laws they choose, and we are free to criticize them if we choose.

      • jim_m

        Let’s be honest. What Chico really is in favor of is having it be easy for him to assault someone.

    • JWH

      Monday:: Hi, Chico … are you carrying pepper spray? $73, please.
      Tuesday:</strong: Hi, Chico … are you carrying pepper spray? $73, please
      Wednesday: Hi, Chico … are you carrying pepper spray? $73, please
      Thursday: Hi, Chico … are you carrying pepper spray? $73, please
      Friday: Hi, Chico … are you carrying pepper spray? $73, please

  • Mjolnir

    Oh, what is the world coming to when a rapist can’t feel safe raping?

    • Brett Buck

      Poor guy, can’t really blame him, he’s just another victim of society.

    • jim_m

      I’ll note that Chico stands in favor of punishing this girl for resisting.

  • Paul Hooson

    Denmark is very antiweapon, where the ability to defend oneself is severely restricted by laws outlawing the possession or use of many weapons. Denmark also made news this past week for passing anti-immigrant legislation where the government will confiscate much of the jewelry or wealth of immigrants.

    • Brett Buck

      A more concise description is “irresponsible”

      • WHO’S THE BUSTER

        They also have a minuscule crime rate and Denmark has been cited for having the happiest people.

        The comments here seem to suggest that their only “problem” is they don’t have enough guns.

        • They have been under-reporting crimes committed by their mohammedean “guests”.

        • Scalia

          The subject is pepper spray, or didn’t you notice? Buster can’t even bring himself to condemn a policy that punishes a girl for using pepper spray against a man who’s trying to rape her. Regrettably, not surprising.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            I think pepper spray is fine, especially as I can’t think of any criminal utilizing it as a weapon. I was merely responding to you mentioning firearms and Brett Buck’s comment that restricting weapons is irresponsible.

            Quite a leap from pepper spray to guns.

          • Scalia

            I mentioned firearms in passing, but you jump on that and ignore the outrage of Denmark’s no-pepper-spray policy.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            I think I was clear that pepper spray should be allowed. I also indicated that when guns are mentioned in “passing” in a discussion of pepper spray, it tends to lump them into one category and I think there is a considerable chasm between the two. This would be especially true in a country such as Denmark that has no discernible gun culture among its populace.

          • Scalia

            I think I was clear that pepper spray should be allowed.

            Your original comment was:

            They also have a minuscule crime rate and Denmark has been cited for having the happiest people.

            The comments here seem to suggest that their only “problem” is they don’t have enough guns.

            You said nothing about pepper spray. It was after I called you on it that you said anything about it.

            The comment that you apparently have a problem with was:

            There shouldn’t be a law prohibiting citizens from defending themselves with pepper spray (or firearms, for that matter).

            And what, pray tell, is wrong with that? There shouldn’t be a law prohibiting either, but the fact that a girl is being punished for defending herself against rape isn’t what prompted a comment from you. It was a passing reference to guns that made you reach for your keyboard. Very telling, Buster. Your priorities are way out of whack.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            Wow, I am always amazed at the emotion attached to these threads.
            I only mentioned guns, because as I said, I didn’t think it should be lumped in with pepper spray. You responded that pepper spray was the issue. Ok, I quickly replied that it is fine.
            So, apparently I am guilty of, ummm…not be sufficiently outraged by pepper spray or not focusing on it in my initial comment?
            My priorities are “out of whack” because I don’t think that applying our United States attitudes on guns to Denmark is correct? I am guessing that the Danes would simply roll their eyes at the hubris of Americans and point out that their systems and laws on guns are working just fine for them. It appears that our less than restrictive gun laws are something we should be promoting to the world? Well, good luck with that.

          • Scalia

            And I’m amazed at your ignorance. You think that making snarky remarks that intend to insult people won’t get a reaction? Are you that detached?

            My lead post said NOTHING about guns. My, in passing, remark about guns (in the comments section) was about self-defense in general. A nation so warped that they would outlaw pepper spray for self-defense deserves our opprobrium. You read the lead post and offered no remark. You read one of my comments which was again substantively about pepper spray, but you jump on the word “guns” and still say nothing about this girl that is getting fined. Yes, your priorities are way out of whack. In fact, you’re STILL trying to focus on guns instead of the topic.

            Here’s your problem: You hate America’s right to keep and bear arms, and your opposition to it is pathological. You do everything you can to smear gun owners with your snarks and then express pretended dismay that you get a reaction from us. One passing remark about guns, and that’s all you see. Why don’t you learn to debate an issue with a modicum of intelligence? If you’re not willing to do that, then knock it off with your phony amazement.

          • Brett Buck

            I said nothing about guns.

          • Sky__Captain

            This statement is commonly refereed to as a “lie”.
            Either that, or someone hijacked your account and posted:
            “The comments here seem to suggest that their only “problem” is they don’t have enough guns.”

          • Brucehenry

            You replied to the wrong person, genius.

          • Ha, ha!

          • Bringing ignorance wherever he goes…

        • Brett Buck

          So your theory is that she should just lie back and take it, rather than upset the pepper-spray-related violent crime statistics?

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            Ummm…no, you must of read my opinion incorrectly as I clearly stated that I had no problem with pepper spray.

  • Commander_Chico

    Sad day for Chico. His friend Buddy Cianci is dead.

    One of the Italian-American greats.

  • JWH

    If the people of Denmark, acting through their legislature, want to ban pepper spray, that’s their right. That doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.

    • And if the People of Denmark don’t wish pepper spray to be banned, then they should alter or abolish their government as is their God given right.

    • Scalia

      And the people of the United States have every right to criticize them for it–especially when girls are punished for defending themselves against rapists.

      • JWH

        (Which I did).

        • Scalia

          Yes, you did, and I upticked you for it. 🙂

  • Walter_Cronanty

    Watching Western Europe, if not Western Civilization as whole, ceremoniously commit seppuku at the altar of the progressive gods of diversity, multiculturalism and political correctness is not pleasant.
    That so many refuse to see what is happening and react in a rational manner that would protect their own vital self-interests is at once hilarious and terrifying. Instead of dealing with what it is actually happening, they pretend the invading horde knows no better, and attempt to inform them that it’s not polite to poop in the pool, rape women or commit murder – while at the same time prohibiting their own citizens from defending themselves and cracking down on any who dare disagree with their leftist mantra:

    “Open any website dealing with the Muslim refugees in Europe, and you’re sure to find two different kinds of stories. The first kind of story tells about Muslims engaged in all sorts of inappropriate behavior, such as assaulting women, urinating or defecating in swimming pools, raping little boys, or just plain old killing people. The second kind of story tells about the ways in which Europe intends to address these decidedly anti-social behaviors: They’re educating the refugees. The sophisticated Europeans have concluded that the refugees are so stupid and simplistic that they need to be taught good manners. Otherwise, how will they know not to rape, poop, or kill?…

    The refugees are acting as they are, not because they see themselves as charity cases, but because they see themselves as conquerors. They know perfectly well that one doesn’t defecate in a pool in which people (especially children) are swimming. They’re doing it because they are performing the literal equivalent of the expression “I don’t give a shit about you.” They know you’re not supposed to rape women . . . that is, unless those women are the products of conquest, in which case raping them is one of Mohamed’s commandments.

    It’s almost funny seeing Europeans trying politely to teach their conquerors how not to treat those whom they have conquered. I wonder how long it will take before the Europeans figure out that they’re no longer in the driver’s seat. And then I wonder whether they’ll be able or willing to mount a counter-strike, or whether the twelve-hundred year-long Islamic jihad against Europe will finally have succeeded.” http://www.bookwormroom.com/2016/01/28/muslim-migrants-not-as-stupid-and-simple-as-politically-correct-europeans-seem-to-believe/

    • Commander_Chico

      I’m in Western Europe right now. It’s pretty damn nice where I am.

      There are a few Africans selling knock-off bags and begging, some Arabs, nothing scary.

      It’s just as likely if not more that the USA will melt down with an increasingly desperate majority not making shit and getting ripped off all the time.

      • Walter_Cronanty

        If we keep on emulating Western Europe, as our ruling elites think we should, it may well be a race to the bottom of civilization’s barrel. You may think that’s A-OK, I don’t.

        • Commander_Chico

          Pretty far from the bottom in most parts of Europe. American ghettos and strip mall suburbs a lot closer.

      • Do please stay there…

      • Walter_Cronanty

        Upon further review, you may be correct: “San Francisco’s iconic Dolores Park is now home to the city’s first open-air urinal, the latest move to combat public urination in the city….San Francisco has a long, sometimes creative, history of dealing with public urination. In 2002, the city increased the possible fine for the crime up to $500, but that did little to deter it. Last summer, the city painted nearly 30 walls with a repellant paint that makes urine spray back on the offender. Solar-powered toilets roll through city streets several afternoons a week. And city crews have inspected 10,000 light posts to make sure they won’t fall over from erosion. That comes after a three-story-tall light post corroded by a likely mix of human and dog urine, and weighed down by a large banner, toppled.” http://www.newser.com/story/219758/san-franciscos-new-weapon-on-public-urination-open-air-urinal.html

        • Commander_Chico

          Yeah downtown SF full of beggars and thieves.

      • WHO’S THE BUSTER

        I was just in Italy for a month back in October of last year and is, in some respects, very reminiscent of a time that no longer exists in the United States, but also “radically” different in the major cities.
        I was in various cities in Northern Italy and it was like being transported into a Norman Rockwell painting. Many smaller cities, vibrant city center where everyone socializes, generations living in the same house and general and palpable happiness, with very little apparent stress. Additionally, everyone eats a diet that seems unhealthy, but I saw no obesity.
        The small cities all had at least one factory that is the lifeblood of the city and the government takes an active role in providing tax breaks and subsidies to maintain favorable conditions that compel them to stay. Reminds me of the many small towns in Michigan that formerly had small auto parts manufacturing facilities along with agriculture..
        No Wal-Marts and the stores were, again, of a bygone era, where many items are manufactured domestically. You want a blender? Well, you pay much more, but it is “industrial grade”. Need to get somewhere? Jump on a bullet train for a few dollars. Americans? They are enamored with us (as a people). The British? Not so much.
        Rome, on the other hand? Yikes! Far more “multi-cultural” than you might imagine and the governments are under an incredible strain trying to maintain their culture, infrastructure and social systems.
        Europe as we know it? Not for long. What will happen in the immediate future? Oh, I see ultra-right wing, nationalistic parties making considerable gains. It is a double-edged sword as Europeans are very socially liberal and their economies are unlike ours, but they will be single issue voters.
        Same reason Trump may very well win. What is the key reason Trump might prevail? “No more Muslims.”.
        Why? Because the dirty little secret of both conservatives and liberals is that they are fearful of the same things happening that are taking place in Europe. While liberals and most conservatives will never say it out loud; behind the anonymity of an election booth they will mutter “no more Muslims” and pull the handle.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    Identity politics at its logical conclusion: “German feminist welcomes refugees: ‘Better rapists than racists’” http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/01/29/german-feminist-welcomes-refugees-better-rapists-racists/

  • Vagabond661

    I have a CCP for one state and not a neighboring state. Say I stop at a gas station in that neighboring state and forget I have my gun with me.

    A crook with a gun enters and points a gun at me and other customers. According to the idiot state law I can’t protect myself or I would be breaking the law.

    This is how the stupid liberals ( but I repeat myself) has shackled us. The Second Amendment gives me the right to bear arms, not some idiotic state law.

    • Ken in Camarillo

      Technically the second amendment acknowledges a right you always had, even before the Constitution. It does not claim to give you that right. It is actually important that we remember this philosophy of the Constitution.