Giving President Obama Due Credit

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President Obama deserves credit for giving a message that some people on the political right do not want to hear.

Here is an excerpt from a story published by ABC News:

President Obama made his first visit to a U.S. mosque today since being elected president, and he tried to reassure American Muslims that religious discrimination and harassment would not be tolerated.

While avoiding Donald Trump by name, Obama did refer to the controversial proposal by Trump to ban Muslims from entering the country. Obama said this kind of rhetoric created an unsafe environment for some American Muslims.

“We’ve seen too often people conflating the horrific acts of terrorism with the beliefs of an entire faith,” Obama said. “And of course recently we’ve heard inexcusable political rhetoric against Muslim Americans that has no place in our country. It’s no surprise then that threats and harassment of Muslim Americans have surged.”

Whether or not “threats and harassment of Muslim Americans have surged” is a debate for another time. The theme of President Obama’s speech is what matters: That freedom of religion enshrined in the First Amendment applies to Muslim Americans, too.

What President Obama’s right-wing critics often overlook is the fact that Muslims are not all the same. Indeed, Shi’ite Muslims and Ahmadi Muslims are the targets of Islamic terrorists just as much as non-Muslims, as evidenced by ISIS attacks on Shi’ite mosques and Ahmadi mosques.

As Fox News story states, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Al-Shebab and Boko Haram are Sunni organizations. Although there are terrorist groups comprised of Shi’ites, the greater global threat is coming from Sunnis.

What is currently going on in the Islamic world is akin to what took place in Europe several centuries ago, when feuds between alleged “Christian” groups led to all-out warfare and the persecution of minority church groups. Back then, the religious terrorists had the labels “Catholic” and “Anglican”. Students of Irish history and of Scottish history are well aware of the religious warfare that was condoned by (if not actually promoted by) England’s King James I and William of Orange. The Medieval Inquisition was a hotbed of religious terrorism after Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull authorizing the use of torture. Religious persecution in “Christian” England and in “Christian” Europe prompted religious minority groups – such as the Pilgrims – to immigrate to North America.

America has a long history of being a place of religious refuge, and right now, a place of refuge is needed by Muslims who want no part in Islamic terrorism and/or who are the targets of Islamic terrorism. If America isn’t a place of refuge for peaceful Muslims, then America has lost some of her greatness.

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  • Charles Harkins

    “Whether or not “threats and harassment of Muslim Americans have surged” is a debate for another time. ”

    No it’s not. Who the hell is saying that freedom of religion doesn’t apply to Muslims. Practice your religion and shut the F up. And stop making unsupportable charges of persecution in America. You want persecution, go home.

    • retired military

      Meanwhile Catholics are still being beat over the head for the Crusades 750+ years later.

  • Scalia

    David, do you give him due credit for speaking at a mosque which teaches this about homosexuals?

    Being a homosexual “is an immoral act, it is a shameful act, it is despised act, it is haram, it is forbidden in Islam, completely, absolutely, from the Koran, the Hadith [recorded statements from Islam’s reputed founder, the leader Muhammad) and by consensus of the scholars from the beginning of Islam,” says Imam Yaseen Shaikh, who was hired in to serve as the head of Islamic teaching or Islamic “scholar” for the Islamic Society of Baltimore and its nearby Al-Rahmah school.

    GLAAD, an LGBT-rights organization, did not respond to Breitbart News’ request for comment about Obama’s visit.

    Shaikh, a senior leader of the Islamic Society of Baltimore, described “Homosexuality in Islam” in a lesson that has been posted to YouTube. He made these remarks at a mosque called “Masjid Ayesha” in London in 2013, prior to his joining the Islamic Society of Baltimore, according to the upload.

    For your enjoyment, here’s the video:
    https://youtu.be/ADu9C6vkIiE

    How would you feel about Obama going to an Aryan Nations church to preach tolerance for them?

    • Brucehenry

      I didn’t sit through a 17 minute video, but if the quotes Breitbart excerpted from it are the most extreme, it’s nothing Franklin Graham or James Dobson wouldn’t say. Milder, really.

      • Scalia

        I don’t know if it’s any milder, but that’s not the point. Jenner recently came under fire for praying with an anti-gay pastor, but Obama gets a pass because he wants tolerance for Muslims. So, praying with a pastor is off-limits because one of his beliefs abjures homosexuality, but defending Muslims at an equally anti-gay mosque is ok? What about speaking with a pro-gay Muslim group instead? It’s another double standard.

        • Brucehenry

          LOL I’m pretty sure this same group that has Caitlyn “under fire” will also be angry at Obama if they become aware of this imam’s video. Has anyone ELSE blown up the internet denouncing Caitlyn for this prayer?

          • Scalia

            Yes, there’s a lot of buzz about it on the Internet.

          • Brucehenry

            Yes I see. They are criticizing Jenner for being so clueless, being just another Kardashian sister. She also says she will vote Republican, even though every single GOP candidate has taken an anti-LGBTQ stance. Her meeting with this hatemongering preacher was a stunt for her crappy reality show — that’s what’s getting her blasted in the LGBT corner of the internet.

          • Scalia

            Ok, let Obama go and pray with him and watch the you-know-what hit the fan.

          • LiberalNightmare

            I think we would all be happier if certain groups would settle for only blowing up the internet.

        • JWH

          Not to disrespect a transgender person too much … but I don’t give a rat’s ass about what Caitlyn Jenner does. Ms. Jenner is a second-tier Kardashian. I try to block out their doings. President Obama, on the other hand, occasionally needs to show that he represents all Americans. The symbolism is useful.

          • Scalia

            I generally agree, but like I told Bruce, if Obama had prayed with that pastor, folks would have gone apoplectic. Christian bakers and florists are excoriated because they won’t provide pro-gay products, but Muslims who refuse to do so get a yawn.

          • JWH

            There’s been some consternation about some Muslim cab drivers who refuse to transport customers with seeing eye dogs or who are carrying alcohol. I don’t know how the related litigation was resolved, but I know that the ACLU generally came down on the side of handicapped with seeing eye dogs.

          • Scalia

            Yes, I’ve seen that, but the “some consternation” would have gone to “hissy fit” if the cab drivers had been Christian. 🙂

          • JWH

            If you’re curious, my stance is that because they operate a public accommodation, they can be bound by laws that require them not to discriminate based on the protected classes (race, gender, religion, disability, etc., etc.) This means, that yes, the cabbies ought to be forced to carry a person with a guide dog. But if the cabby doesn’t want to transport somebody carrying alcohol, I think the cabby’s entirely within his rights.

            For me at least, the decision point is whether the basis of discrimination is some form of immutable characteristic — something that should not or ought not be changed. Religion and race? Immutable. Carrying a six-back of Bud? Mutable.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            A second-tier Kardashian? There is a first tier? LOL.

      • LiberalNightmare

        once again – double standard.

        You make an excuse for the muslim’s extreme examples, then accuse Christians of the same thing.

        • Brucehenry

          I don’t excuse the imam for his rhetoric, simply point out that prominent Christians have employed similar “reasoning.” I don’t see Scalia or anyone else here tsk-tsking about intolerance when Graham or Dobson — or Santorum or Huckabee for that matter — say similar things, or suggest that perhaps the GOP should distance itself from them.

          • Scalia

            I don’t at all suggest that the GOP should distance themselves from ministers who believe that homosexuality is a sin. That’s not my point. I am highlighting the liberal community’s inconsistency (David included) in getting twisted over a conservative politician visiting a place that has something they consider objectionable (e.g. Cruz visiting a de facto library that had Mein Kampf), but will look the other way when it comes to Muslims. Christians don’t get a pass, Muslims do.

    • LiberalNightmare

      The only reason the muslim world achieved the technology to build multi-story apartment buildings was so that they would have something high enough to throw homosexuals from.

  • I’ll believe Obama’s religious liberty sincerity the moment he visits the Little Sisters of the Poor…

    • Charles Harkins

      I don’t care if he visits the Little Sisters of the Poor and they probably don’t either. What I would like is for him to stop persecuting the Little Sisters of the Poor.

    • Do please hold your breath waiting for that to occur.

    • Scalia

      Indeed, it appears that the administration specifically targeted Catholic institutions with respect to its contraceptive mandate:

      Administration health policy officials were downright obsessed with figuring out which Catholic institutions would fit within the section 6033-based exemption. As early as October 2011, the White House was curiously interested in the student insurance coverage at Catholic universities. In July 2012, emails show officials trying to make sure that the contraceptive mandate would treat the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops – the spiritual leaders of Roman Catholic entities in the United States – differently from the colleges, charities, and other groups that they lead. The documents were originally discovered during congressional inquiries into the sharing of tax information between the IRS and the White House.

      As I argue in the forthcoming amicus brief, section 6033 has exactly zero relevance to religious freedom interests. These documents are fatal to the Administration’s claim that structuring the contraceptive mandate this way was an effort to respect the religious groups’ religious objections. In fact, it was an arbitrary choice that failed to take into account the virtually identical religious freedom interests shared by groups granted and denied an exemption from the mandate.</blockquote.

  • yetanotherjohn

    I blame work place violence.

  • jim_m

    Bullshit David. Almost no one is saying that ALL muslims are the same. This is a misrepresentation of the counter argument and dishonest at best.

    What we actually do see is 0bama claiming that terrorism has nothing to do with islam. His ignorant and childish refusal to face reality puts people in danger and is costing American lives. Fools like you that defend this obtuse course of action are just as guilty.

    • Brucehenry

      Are ya sure? Because I think there are many many people who feel the same way this guy does. Trump voters, mostly:

      • jim_m

        OK, so apart from people with your education level, almost no one.

        The fact remains that 0bama’s BS actually encourages this sort of nonsense.

        • Brucehenry

          LOL lucky for me I could rise above my humble beginnings and a misspent youth and have become the lofty-minded intellectual I am today.

          The point is there are millions like this guy and those are the people Obama was addressing.

          • You were, nonetheless, educated beyond your native intelligence.

          • Sky__Captain

            I would like for you to name these “millions”.
            Obviously, you must know them to make this claim.

          • Brucehenry

            One of them is an idiot who calls himself “Sky Captain.”

          • Sky__Captain

            Your claim of “millions” is hereby disproved, as I do not hold this view.
            I hereby insist on an immediate retraction and apology.

            Your childish debating tactics are not appropriate in a civilized society. However, being a liberal, you haven’t figured that out, nor are you likely to.

            Now, back to the point – start naming those “millions” that you claim hold this view, or admit the strawman argument.

          • Brucehenry

            Really? You claim that there are NOT millions of Americans who think that all Muslims are terrorists? How many are there then? Thousands? Scores? Dozens? Six? Are there any at all?

            Some things are common knowledge. But I guess common knowledge is uncommon wherever it is you live — an imaginary world in which the evidence of our senses is discounted and we must all prove legalistically every general statement we make.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            I wonder if they are some of the same people that are still mad at Saddam for 911?

      • LiberalNightmare

        So, its wrong to say all muslims are terrorists, but an ignorant redneck is an example of all americans?

        Nice double standard ya got there homie.

        • If it weren’t for double standards…

        • Brucehenry

          Did I say “all Americans”? Dumbass. You can’t fucking read.

      • WHO’S THE BUSTER

        I thought “The Macho Man” Randy Savage passed away.

  • I give him full credit for our foreign policy collapse and the non-recovery of the economy…

  • LiberalNightmare

    Just another variation of the left’s favorite strategy – “Cry Racism!”

    Hear someone say something about muslims that you dont like to heat? Call them a racist, and then argue about racism instead.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

  • Paul Hooson

    I’m a Jew that is very proIsrael, however I also strongly oppose any unreasonable discrimination against Arabs, Persians as well as Muslims. Just because Abraham’s home once had a family feud between Isaac and Ishmael is no reason to keep this family feud brewing, There were many instances of Muslims and Arabs protecting Jews over time, as well as Jews hiring all-Arab worker crews in their businesses. And, all our Mideastern allies against ISIS are Muslims. Like our Arab allies, oppose terrorists, but embrace all other Muslims as our friends and allies in the war against terrorism.

    • LiberalNightmare

      Thats sweet – now why dont you go visit our mideastern allies against ISIS and see how many of them will let you build a synagogue?

      I mean, they aren’t all bad … right?

      • Paul Hooson

        Most Muslims, sadly do not always think well of Jews because of the Palestinian issue. However in Northern Syria for example, Kurdish fighters are willing to carry on the fight against ISIS, only asking for American support such as Tablets or computers to target ISIS for either their ground war or our bombing raids. These Arabs are protecting America from terror and our friends. The governments of Egypt and Jordan are more positive towards Israel, with much healthy trade and agricultural trade between the nations.

        • LiberalNightmare

          The “palestinian issue” is not the reason they think poorly of Jews, The “palestinian issue” is the excuse they use to justify those feelings.

          So, at least we can agree that some small subset of muslims wishes bad things upon you because of the palestinian issue?

          • Paul Hooson

            We have many other areas in we agree as well. We’re both very proAmerican and deeply love this country and want the very best for our nation’s safety and security from terrorism and any other threat.

          • LiberalNightmare

            Well Paul, I actually like you, and I don’t want to be a prick, but sometimes I cant help it.

            The fact is that you seem to be able to tell the difference between “some muslims” and “all muslims”.

          • Paul Hooson

            I know what you mean. I have one Palestinian friend that owns a Shell gas station who is also a true real estate expert as well as another Muslim friend who owns a Taco Bell. Neither are religious ideologues or bomb throwing terrorists, but decent business people, so we get along very good.

          • LiberalNightmare

            I get along well with my muslim friends also, but Im not stupid enough to think that “all muslims” are as friendly.

            In fact, “some muslims” are downright dangerous.

          • Paul Hooson

            Absolutely correct and true. Some Muslim ideologues are extremely dangerous people. The difficulty for American immigration is a litmus test for radicalism of any type that presents a danger to our national security. The other day I heard a serious national security concern is some radical proNorth Koreans living in this country who may try to plant a nuclear bomb on American soil in an act of nuclear terrorism. We face many threats. One of my relatives was once a top FBI man. He could not talk about all threats, but the one’s he could would make one’s hair curl.

          • LiberalNightmare

            I don’t think the litmus test is all that difficult.

            The first thing America has to do is realize that coming to America is not a right. Its a privilege.

          • Paul Hooson

            The funny thing is that most immigrants start out as democrats, but as their wealth increases, they become increasingly more republican in their voting patterns. The Irish Catholics are a good example of this, while Jews as a whole are the exception. From George Washington’s time on for many years, many Jews leaned conservative and eventually Whig to Republican. Then many Jews emigrated here from former Communist lands such as the Soviet Union, and leaned left, but not Communist in their voting patterns. 1920 was a good example as many Jews really objected to democrat Cox that year, where he only got 19% of Jewish votes compared to34% among all voters, but socialist Eugene Debbs won 38% of Jewish votes compared to just 3% among all voters. Bernie Sanders parents came from a Russian and Polish background, so left leaning, but not Communist, politics would be more acceptable to a family with this background.

            My own Jewish background is French on my Father’s side but Azerbaijani on my mother’s side. The Azerbaijani Mountain Jews were from a Persian and Israelite background, where their ancestors were ancient Jewish soldiers with proud warrior and military traditions. Warrior instincts are what set these Jews apart from other Jewish groups, making them excellent soldiers. Some Azerbaijani Jews like Albert Argarunov, a tank commander in Azerbaijan is considered a great national war hero for defending Jews against the ethnic cleansing raids by the Armenian military and their tanks. A bounty equal to around $1 million dollars was placed on this soldier’s head because he was such a talented and tough soldier. He was finally killed by a sniper at the age of 23 for the reward.

            Maybe my own military and warrior characteristics come from this ancestry. Azerbaijani Jews look very Mideastern, but are not Muslims, and make excellent soldiers in the Israeli army.

  • retired military

    “We’ve seen too often people conflating the horrific acts of terrorism with the beliefs of an entire faith,”

    yet Obama and the democrats continually stereotype anyone who owns a gun as someone who is the next school shooter and mass murderer.

    . “And of course recently we’ve heard inexcusable political rhetoric against Muslim Americans that has no place in our country.”

    Except that Muslims are overwhelmingly responsible for the terrorist attacks in our country as well as the recent spate of rapes and gropings in Europe where the politicos tell folks “just dont go near that section of YOUR city” and “dont entise them” and “dont dress like you want becuase it might enrage them”

    ” It’s no surprise then that threats and harassment of Muslim Americans have surged.”

    Well considering the actions of some and the Imans who state “hey rape is okay, honor kiilings are okay,” and there are Very FEW MUSLIM voices against them.

    “America has a long history of being a place of religious refuge, and right now, a place of refuge is needed by Muslims who want no part in Islamic terrorism and/or who are the targets of Islamic terrorism. ”

    Yep and they want to make America just like their homeland and kill folks who dont capitulate to their religous beliefs.

    Not all but the majority is at least complicit. You know silence means acceptances cuts both ways but I know democrats dont think the rules apply to them.

    I want to hear 5 words out of Obama’s mouth. “I quit” and “Guilty your honor”

    • Scalia

      And Obama still hasn’t condemned the anti-Christian murders in Roseburg. His focus is one-dimensional.

      • It always has been.

        Really wish that Candidate Obama had been the one sworn in. That guy at least had potential…

        • Hank_M

          Well said.

  • retired military

    David

    Here is the great all knowing Obama and how he feels about Christians

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/obama-hid-jesus-at-catholic-university-but-allows-allah-to-be-widely-displayed-during-islamic-center-speech/

    Gee pandering to muslims.

    I am shocked I tell you. Shocked!!!

  • retired military

    I give Obama due credit
    for lying about everything (I mean a list of what he didnt lie about would be shorter),
    of wrecking the US economy,
    of wrecking the US healthcare system (it is in the process),
    of putting the US in so much debt it is doubtful we will ever grow our way out of it
    of trashing the US military in every way possible,
    for being the worst US president bar none, next to him Carter is a piker
    and so many other things not one of which would be considered a compliment.

    • Hank_M

      well….he’s done wonders for race relations.

      • Just like locking someone into a sauna really helps them break out into a sweat…

      • Paul Hooson

        He should have been helpful in some situations, instead he seemed to have little healing effect on local race relations problem areas that spiraled into national news stories.

        • What did you think a ‘Community Organizer’ did, Paul?

          They take an aggrieved group and stoke the fires until ‘The Man’ comes up with some solution that’ll involve promises and a bit of money. Then they cool down the situation, usually by bowing out of the picture with some of the money.

          Obama never realized that he changed from ‘community organizer’ to ‘The Man’ when he became President.

    • Paul Hooson

      I’ll agree to the extent that he isn’t very good. For the life of me, I cannot understand it when Hillary implied that she would be like a third term of this administration. I think most normal Americans would prefer something different and hopefully better than this…

      • Hope and change, baby! Gotta hope you still have some change when the self-destructive wing of the Democratic Party gets tired of trying to cut the country’s wrists…

  • Vagabond661

    So I guess David will beheading to a mosque soon to prove his point.

  • JWH

    In 2014, Pew found that of all religious groups, Muslims rated lowest on the so-called “feelings thermometer” among Americans, indicating that Americans regarded them most negatively of all religious groups. Furthermore, conservatives viewed Muslims more negatively than liberals did: http://www.pewforum.org/2014/07/16/how-americans-feel-about-religious-groups/

    Similarly, Gallup found In 2010 that Americans have more negative attitudes toward Muslims than toward other groups: http://www.gallup.com/poll/125312/religious-prejudice-stronger-against-muslims.aspx

    I’ll try to find more survey research later.

    • Paul Hooson

      On the other hand, I’m always very pleased to see that most Americans hold pretty favorable views towards Jews. Most Americans view Jews as a mostly peaceful people who want to enrich society, culture, the arts, commerce, medicine and science. It’s great to live in a country where Jews are treated so fairly compared to so many places in Europe where prejudice against Jews left them having to emigrate to either Israel or the states.

  • retired military

    David

    here is something else you can give Obama credit for
    My question is why do we even have a border control? or borders for that matter? Why not just invite everyone in, give them free healthcare, welfare, SSI, social security and everything else?
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/border-chaos-agents-told-to-stand-down-no-security-at-us-border/