Home2016 ElectionCruz Drops Out Of Presidential Race (Open Thread) Cruz Drops Out Of Presidential Race (Open Thread) David Robertson May 3, 2016 2016 Election, Open Thread 68 Comments I was stunned to hear Ted Cruz announce that he was suspending his presidential campaign. What do Wizbang readers think about his decision to do so? Emmy Award For 2016 Presidential Contest History isn't always pretty. Share this:FacebookTwitterRedditEmailMoreLinkedInPinterestPrintTumblrPocketGoogle Tags:Ted Cruz Related Posts Trump Scores TKO (Twitter Knockout) On Hillary The Third Political Axis OPEN THREAD: ‘Liberal Chick’ Says Our Founder ‘George Jefferson’ Would Have Hated Voter Suppression About The Author David Robertson A refugee from Planet Melmac masquerading as a human. In fair condition. A fixer-upper. Warranty still good. Not necessarily sane. Publisher and editor of the Melmacian Times @ http://melmacian.tumblr.com/ Vagabond661 Trump running against a Looney Leftist Socialist or Habitual Liar under criminal investigation. Should be a walk in Central Park but we are talking about an leftist organization already primed to destroy Trump. God help us all. Paul Hooson It’s a real mixed bag here. Trump is both dishonest as well has a clueless and potentially very dangerous foreign policy. Clinton is very dishonest, but has a more traditional and more steady foreign policy. Bernie Sanders is honest, but also has an unpredictable foreign policy… jim_m They are all dishonest, I’ll give you that.. Apparently, you find Hillary’s disastrous reset with Russia and her escapades in Libya to be “steady”, which I suppose it is if you value steadily ceding the world to our enemies. Bernie Sanders is a deluded socialist that hates the US, hates free enterprise, believes that government should control all business and that Bread lines and mass starvation are signs of progress. His foreign policy is equally deluded. Paul Hooson I actually believe that Bernie Sanders is the most honest of the three, where I’ve never heard of any scandal in his decades of running for offices. But, his politics are also unpredictable, where I do not agree with him on the issues. Hillary is very scandal prone, and may still be indicted in the Email scandal, her foreign is far less than perfect, but more traditional and more stable. My best guess is that Trump could win a general election if he is able to carry New York. If someone could look ahead with a crystal ball and tell whether Trump or Clinton carries New York, then I can tell you the next president. Vagabond661 Forest Gump was honest too. jim_m As was Joe Stalin. Bernie’s politics aren’t really that far off of any Soviet leader. Commander_Chico Clinton has a “more steady” foreign policy? She’s wrecked three countries and destabilized the European Union through refugees by what she did as SecState. The blood of hundreds of thousands is on her hands. Paul Hooson Every administration has foreign policy failures. Situations in most states are also beyond U.S. control. Her foreign policy is more tradional than Trump wanting to scrap trade agreements, treaties or abolish NATO, etc. which invites so many problems. We don’t need to invite serious trade war problems with China or even the European Union for that matter. Commander_Chico You are confused by neocon propaganda. Who is worse for Israel and everyone else, Assad and Hezbollah or a growing ISIS and Al Qaeda? Israel dealt with Islamic Iran in the past, they can do so again. “The Art of the Deal.” Hank_M “Every administration has foreign policy failures”. Sure, but Hillary has been particularly inept, from a screwed up “reset” button to hashtag diplomacy. And as Chico says, she and Barry-leading from behind-Obama wrecked 3 countries and effectively gave the Iranians nukes. Hillary’s foreign policy was nothing more than repeated efforts to enrich herself at the expense of the country. Paul Hooson Look at even President Nixon as a good example. While he managed to greatly improve relations with China, it was mostly at the expense of a worsening of cold war relations with the Soviets which were the primary backers of the North Vietnamese. Better relations with the Soviets might have prodded them to seek a peaceful end to the war. Nixon also further destablized both Laos and Cambodia, with expanding the war from the Vietnam War into the IndoChina War, where all three nations eventually fell to Communist forces. I’m opposed to the Iran nuke deal. There was no good reason for the U.S. to promote such a treaty or to lift sanctions on Iran which would be used to fund Hezbollah terrorism or other problems. The Obama-Clinton foreign policy is a more traditional foreign policy than the outlandish Donald Trump, but not something I particularly agree with either. Jwb10001 “Hillary’s foreign policy was nothing more than repeated efforts to enrich herself at the expense of the country.” That’s not strictly true she also put a crap ton of cash in Sid Blumenthal’s pockets too. jim_m Name a foreign policy success. Hank_M I really really want to see an “answer” to this. Paul Hooson The killing of Bin Laden took out the head of al Qaeda where the organization suffered huge losses in many nations in which it operated. Syria’s stockpile of chemical weapons has been destroyed. Iran’s nuclear ambitions have been put on hold for at least 15 years, but will need to be confronted later. Steady support for existing trade and environmental treaties have maintained steady trade with China and other partners, but have managed to curtail some abuses, Opening up trade with Cuba will benefit American business and should help to moderate the Communist regime in the future allowing the U.S. to push for better human rights in exchange for enhanced trade. Hank_M “Syria’s stockpile of chemical weapons has been destroyed.” I dunno Paul. August 8th 2014 Washpo states: Declared Syrian chemical weapon stockpile now completely destroyed. September 15th 2015 BBC reports: Syria civilians still under chemical attack. Hank_M As for the Iranian nuclear deal, isn’t it true that the Iranian parliament has never approved it and the Iranian president has never signed it? Paul Hooson I don’t honestly know that answer. I’m a critic and not a supporter of that Iran nuke treaty, but I was also concerned that Israel’s depleted uranium bunker busters would not penetrate and destroy the program. where Iran would eventually retaliate with help from North Korea. Saudi Arabia is no ally of Israel, but could have become involved with war with Iran as well, disrupting oil supplies. Delaying possible war was the only benefit of that treaty, but it was hardly more than a bandaid solution on a festering sore that really requires more serious medical treatment. Jwb10001 I don’t know about the Iranian parliament, but I know for sure the US Senate never approved that deal nor would they likely if they had ever been given the chance. The one thing Clinton and Obama have done successfully is change the language to avoid Senate approvals for their foreign interventions and deal making WHO’S THE BUSTER Kerry, just yesterday, continued to push for the removal of Assad and included both Russia and Iran in his comments. Give it up. We have done business with far worse than Assad and when will we learn that continuing to push for regime change when there is no viable alternative. The days of us removing and installing puppet governments is gone. What is the best thing for the United States in the Middle East? Iron-fisted, ruthless, despots. Oh to turn back time and fondly remember the Saddams, Mubarsks and Gaddafis of the past. The devil you know… Paul Hooson Assad continues to give Israel’s arch-foes, Hezbollah a haven and support in his fractured nation. As long as Hezbollah has safe haven, innocent civilians in Israel will die from rocket attacks and other acts of terrorism. Assad and his Hezbollah allies need to go. Commander_Chico The United States is not Israel. If Israel wants to fight Assad, let them. Al Qaeda and ISIS are far greater threats to the USA and our NATO allies. Hank_M Good point about a “leftist organization already primed to destroy Trump.” But he fights back, hard. And a lot of people are looking forward to that. Paul Hooson Carly Florina: The only Vice President Of The United States who was never Vice President Of The United States… pennywit The #NeverTrump folks and other assorted anti-Trump conservatives have four choices: 1) Hold their noses and rally around Trump; 2) Hold their noses and vote for HIllary Clinton; 3) Hold their noses, rally around a third-party candidate, and elect Hillary Clinton; or, 4) Stay at home, don’t vote, and elect Hillary Clinton. It’s going to be a long election. Paul Hooson It’s 1972 all over again. Jewish political writer William Safire was viewed as such a critic of the Nixon Administration that he was so hated that he was added to the White House “enemy list”. But, Safire considered George McGovern as such a poor candidate that he actually ended up voting for Nixon despite all that he written about that administration. It’s an incredible political world sometimes… WHO’S THE BUSTER Shame on the Democrats; they could have picked a person at random and won the election due to their demographic advantage and the many groups that Trump has alienated. Instead, they managed to choose the only candidate that elicits enough hatred that very few people in this election are voting “for” either Trump or Hillary. I still am not sure how Hillary managed to position herself as the “preordained” candidate and pull it off. Some comedian made a remark that she lost to a Black Muslim whose middle name was Hussein and she is getting a run for her money from a 72 year old Jew. Perhaps she isn’t cut out for this job. This idea that she will win easily is pure folly. Democrats are simply not showing up at the polls and the Obama electorate has little in common with those that support Hillary. Additionally, her “ace in the hole”, Bill, is a shadow of his former self. He looks and sounds like he got a lobotomy, which is why he was rarely seen on the campaign trail. When was the last time that anyone has heard from people that are truly excited for Hillary, even among loyal Democrats? Personality is an increasingly important component of a successful run and Hillary suffers from the same affliction as Ted Cruz, she doesn’t have enough charisma to fill a thimble. That is a problem and there is no way to solve that dilemma. Since much of “Trump” is performance art, there is no reason he cannot simply tweak the act. Of course there is also the possibility that he simply goes too far with his current shtick and eventually does say something that is deemed to be “too much” (if that is even possible; recent history suggests otherwise). Most entertaining primary ever? Sure, but in a kind of embarrassing way. I was in Europe recently and they kept asking “WTF”? I had no explanation. Jwb10001 If Trump loses it’s all on Trump, it’s up to him to win votes not up to voters to hold their noses and vote for him or anyone else. pennywit My comment specifically refers to the NeverTrump faction. Jwb10001 If Trump wants to win I suspect he’ll need to convert a significant percentage of NeverTrump folks. If he loses he can not blame them for his failure to attract them or that he’s already burnt too many bridges. He can’t win with the angry white guy vote alone he needs more, it will be interesting to see how he plans to attract them. I don’t think he will have broad enough appeal to win, his only hope is that Hillary might actually be worse. pennywit That’s a real pisser. This election will really come to, “So … do you hate Trump or Hillary more?” Kind of sad, really. Jwb10001 That’s the problem, there seems to be no lesser evil here. For me I’m sitting this one out, I can’t hold my nose to vote for either of these 2. Politics is not team sport I won’t vote for Trump just because he’s on the “right” team. Commander_Chico TRUMP WINS! TRUMP WINS! TRUMP WINS!!! The naysayers, haters, pussies and losers said it couldn’t be done. Don’t kill yourself, Cruzbots. Par4Course Cruz realized that most GOP voters weren’t that enamored of him and would be less so if they realized he couldn’t count. Anyone not arithmetically challenged can see Trump is going to get well over 1,237 delegates before getting to Cleveland. Ted was “one hell of a competitor” but it’s now time for everyone who doesn’t want Hillary and 4 more years of Obama’s policies to get behind the nominee. Hank_M Cruz was going to be discarded by the republicans no matter what happened. Retired military Hopefully Trump will pick him up as SCOTUS nominee. He would do plenty of good as a SCOTUS judge for 30 years, much more so than President for 4. TheyTukRJobz It’s a South Park election. We truly will have a choice between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich. Commander_Chico Americans won, you globalist neocons lost! TheyTukRJobz Just pull the string, and the Code Trumper Chico doll repeats one of the indoctrinated catch-phrases: “Let’s Make America Great Again!” “America won, you globalist neocon!” “If you are against Trump, you hate America!” Sorry, Chico, but if you believe Trump can win, and in that unlikely event, will do anything remotely like he’s been claiming on the campaign trail, you’re nothing but a mark. Commander_Chico Ya right Cruz, Jeb and Rubio were real statesmen . . Now you will shill for Hill like the rest of the neocons. They like her! WHO’S THE BUSTER It will, however, be interesting to have a GOP candidate that is to the left of Hillary on foreign policy, although Trump and/or Bernie may force her to a policy of non-intervention. Of course that is after Trump eliminates ISIS over the weekend with his “secret” plan. Scalia Non-interventionism isn’t what divides the Left and the Right. That’s one of the major issues dividing neoconservatives and paleoconservatives. Rodney G. Graves Indeed. Commander_Chico And we know you’re a neocon. Rodney G. Graves And like most all of what you know, it just ain’t so… TheyTukRJobz Compared to Trump, yes they are a step above when it comes to things like decorum, temperament, tact and self-discipline. I won’t “shill for Hill”, never have. But it is typical of the Code Trumpers that a jack-wagon jerk-weasel like you would write such a knee-jerk, mindless idiotic statement like that. I will hold my nose, suppress my gag reflex, curse Trump, doubly curse the brainless sheep Code Trumpers and vote for Trump over Hillary. I’m just not stupid enough to believe Trump will be any better than Obama. Commander_Chico I knew you would come around. WHO’S THE BUSTER “We’ll get “r jobz” back now, tool.” How? You mean GM will now assemble cars made with American parts? Might be tough to move that $60,000 Impala. I wonder what Wal-Mart will be like with no Chinese (or Vietnamese or Sri Lankan) products? Commander_Chico It would be full of Americans earning good pay, buying American products. WHO’S THE BUSTER Interesting fantasy. Most attempts at “turning back the clock” to 1957 are unsuccessful. Scalia The last time the Detroit Lions won the NFL championship. Wild_Willie The best that happens and some on this site will rally around the peoples choice. That is what the process is all about. ww Birchstreetalum Mr. Trump needs to avoid all book depositories. Jwb10001 If he avoids depositories how on earth will he treat his hemorrhoids? jim_m Well, if he’s using books for that purpose no wonder he has hemorrhoids. Jwb10001 Well based on the stuff he says he’s not reading them. Retired military In the year of the antiestablishment candidate Cruz became (willingly or no) the symbol of the establishment. His actions as far as delegates go where as legal was doing exactly what the establishment would do. jim_m Yep. The only thing the GOPe is good at is losing. Paul Hooson You have to wonder who Trump will choose as the vice presidential running mate(read: Chris Christie). I hear that Carly Florina is available again. In other news, Christie just vetoed a bill to give equal pay to women. That should really appeal to Trump’s problems with female voters… Retired military Saw this and thought it was funny. Scalia Yes, except the artist doesn’t understand guns. The revolver is firing, but the hammer is still cocked. Paul Hooson Good observation that only those that know weapons would pick up on. pennywit Maybe he’s saying that Cruz went off half-cocked? Thank you, thank you, I’m here all week. Try the veal! Paul Hooson Cruz came across as too partisan and narrowly focused. appealing to a limited range of some conservative voters, but had the most effective ground organization campaign of any candidate running this year. Kasich is a very good governor and manager, but just could not put together an effective campaign. Kasich needed Cruz’s campaign, and Cruz’s campaign needed to have Kasich as their client, not Cruz… Par4Course Reagan had the ideal pleasing personality to sell conservatism to Americans. Even those who strongly disagreed with him often personally liked him (e.g., Tip O’Neil). Ted Cruz represents the opposite. His conservative principles were impeccable but his personality turned off many of those who agreed with him politically – like almost all of his Senate and House Republican colleagues. When confronted on this, he said, “I didn’t come to Washington to make friends.” But, as we’ve seen, a man without friends is not going to win a national election, even if many of his fellow party members respect and agree with his political views. pennywit Reagan was also willing to work with Democrats at times, if it meant he could move forward his overall agenda. Jwb10001 Agreed Cruz is unlikable, now please do tell how Trump is any more likable or less likely to infuriate people on both sides? Have you paid attention to how he reacts to people that disagree with him? Have you seen how he reacts to being questioned about his positions? MI33O3 Good riddance. This election hinges on the Nationalist / Globalist axis, not the conservative / liberal one. Cruz doesn’t have the mojo to be a threat to the establishment and his True Conservative supporters aren’t even on the correct playing field.