Radical Islamic Terrorist Attacks Orlando Gay Club Nightclub (Open Thread)

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In the early morning hours today news of the targeted massacre at the Pluse nightclub in Orlando, Florida spread. A Florida man identified as Omar Mateen killed 50 people at the nightclub and injured 53 others many seriously, when he deliberately opened fire on the 300 patrons partying at the club. Details keep rolling in throughout the day. WESH in Orlando has live coverage here.

One thing that will surely wiil be overlooked by the mainstream media is that putting homosexuals to death is hardly an extremist view in Islam. At Wikipedia it’s noted:

Extreme prejudice remains, both socially and legally, in much of the Islamic world against people who engage in homosexual acts. In Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty

The shooter’s father said that he had recently been incensed by witnessing two men kiss in Miami.

Mateen called 911 at the time of the attack to pledge allegiance to ISIS, a U.S. official tells CNN, and mentioned the Boston bombers in the call. He had been investigated by the FBI in the past for possible ties to Islamic extremism, officials say, but there was no evidence to charge him with anything. ISIS sympathizers have praised the attack on jihadi forums.

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  • jim_m

    0bama statement coming in 15 minutes (well let’s be honest, it’s scheduled for then but when has the malignant narcissist, 0bama, ever had the civility to arrive on time to any event where the American public was waiting on him?).

    Any one want to lay odds on: The probability that he refuses to use the term “Islamic Terrorism” and instead continues his cowardly use of the term “Violent Extremism”?

    Any one want to lay odds under 100% that he calls for further gun control?

    • Par4Course

      How about radical Muslim gun control? Let’s prohibit those who swear allegiance to ISIS from legally own guns. Instead, Barry wants to import 10,000 or more Syrian refugees into the US, some of whom (probably a very small percent) are terrorists.

      • jim_m

        That raises a legitimate question: This guy had acquired a carry permit despite having been under investigation for terrorist connections for the past 2 years or more. How is it that this guy passes a background check?

        And let’s say that 0.1% of those 10,000 are terrorists. That’s 10 terrorists like Mateen. That’s potentially another 500 dead Americans or more thanks to 0bama’s malignant narcissism.

        • Commander_Chico

          The legal grounds for denying a permit are limited, only prior convictions, pending charges and documented commitments for insanity. “Under investigation” is not a category.

          NRA is rightly concerned about arbitrary denial of right to bear arms.

          • Vagabond661

            I bet suspected ties to the KKK would deny me a gun permit.

          • Commander_Chico

            I doubt it. No legal basis to deny in most states. Klansmen are not known to be short of guns, either.

          • jim_m

            Klansmen are not known for mass murder these days either.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            I am pretty sure the Klan is now nothing but some version of performance art that only shows up for cameras to show off a bad vocabulary and questionable dental work.

          • Vagabond661

            Personal experience or opinion?

          • Commander_Chico

            History. No legal basis to deny a Klansman without a record the right to buy a gun. If you can show me a law or an example to the contrary, show me.

          • jim_m

            If you can show us where the 0bama admin follows the law then you will have defined one instance where they have done so. (probably the only instance where they have done so)

          • Vagabond661

            If the KKK took down the Twin Towers, wouldn’t you say that would be probable cause?

          • Commander_Chico

            Probable cause is linked to a specific person and requires specific facts.

            Black men commit more crimes per capita, but courts have ruled again and again that being black is not probable cause.

          • Vagabond661

            Ignorance is bliss.

          • Commander_Chico

            If you say so. You could not answer me. Are you a member of the Klan? Had a permit refused?

          • Vagabond661

            Given that the IRS targeted conservative groups, do you not think that they would give special attention to some groups about guns? Puh-lease.

            And as for the birthday greeting….whiskey tango foxtrot are u talking about? Get of the Thai dope.

          • jim_m

            And you think that all the back men committing gun crimes are purchasing those guns legally? Fool.

          • Commander_Chico

            Easy gun purchases in some states feed the supply chain to illegal purchases in other states. Who’s the fool, you don’t know that well-known fact?

          • jim_m

            Yeah, because people routine Ely travel across state lines to purchase guns. You’re an ass.

          • Now soi disant lawyer…

          • If a meteor took down the Twin Towers, I’d suggest we not sell guns to them.

            But as Chico rightly points out obliquely, once we start banning the rights of groups to buy guns for ‘good reasons’, it’s not going to be long until those reasons stretch to encompass everyone.

          • Vagabond661

            Like felons?

          • One of those one time in 1440 when the broken clock passes for being correct…

          • Wild_Willie

            Being a conservative may make you ineligible. ww

          • Sarthurk

            I’m pretty sure the FBI, NSA, and DHS have been instructed by the present Islamophyllic administration to back off when it comes to muzzies. vagabond is probably right however.

        • WHO’S THE BUSTER

          A quick search reveals the following:
          “Under current laws, if a background check reveals that your name is on the national terrorism watch list, you’re still free to walk out of a gun dealership with a firearm in your hands — as long as you don’t have a criminal or mental health record.”

          “It’s absurd that we allow people to buy unlimited AK-47s, AR-15s and Uzis, even if we feel they are too dangerous to be allowed on a plane, even after they’ve gone through a security check,” says Jon Lowy, a lawyer for the Brady Campaign, a gun control group.Data from the Government Accountability Office show that between 2004 and 2010, people on terrorism watch lists tried to buy guns and explosives more than 1,400 times. They succeeded in more than 90 percent of those cases, or 1,321 times.

          • jim_m

            No. It’s stupid that we refuse to call our enemy who they are and to identify them.

        • Major Hasan was an example of that. The guy was a nutcase, people were worried about him – but because he was Muslim they were afraid of being called bigots if they said anything.

        • Brett Buck

          Well, I certainly hope no one racially profiled him!

      • How about radical Mohamedean control.

    • jim_m

      Bingo!!!! Refuses to call out Islam but calls for gun control. What a shallow asshole he is.

    • Retired military

      But but It was workplace violence. Just ask Obama.

      Meanwhile if we get any more of these between now and Nov and Hillary can kiss the baby no matter who her VP pick is.

      • jim_m

        Watching the presser you could tell that 0bama was unhappy having to call it terrorism but seemed much more at ease once he was able to segue to gun control.

  • Vagabond661

    They demand Confederate flags be removed because a pysco killed 9 in a church and they can’t connect the dots on radical Islam?

    They either are ignorant or dishonest. Either way, we shouldn’t listen to fools.

    • jim_m

      They either are ignorant or dishonest.”

      You misspelled “and”.

  • Paul Hooson

    Sadly, as ISIS suffers under allied bombing and military efforts in the Mideast, they will encourage lone supporters to hit soft-targets in both Western states as well as Russia in revenge. Not much can be done to 100% contain this threat. Even worse for Israel is Iran offering would-be terrorists up to $9000 to stage terrorist attacks, mostly with knives or automobiles, as Israeli security has proven pretty good are limiting the travel of guns or explosives by Palestinian radical supporters of either Hamas or ISIS.

    • nanny

      You are so full of sh!t! You do NOT own a night club, you were forced to sell it. When you owned the club it was open for 3 months before you had to close it down. Who are you trying to impress??

      • Commander_Chico

        Another scorned woman.

        • Someone doesn’t seem to like Paul all that much… 😉

          • Line forms to the right…

          • Paul Hooson

            As long as I have young girlfriends, money and a business to run, I’m a happy camper. A motorcycle to ride helps too…

          • nanny

            You have none of the above.

          • Paul Hooson

            I’m living with a young woman in my home today. I have business activity I run from my home office and have a pretty good check coming in this week. The club future will be discussed after the people occupying the club are removed by law enforcement under an order in a few days.

          • Paul Hooson

            Here’s one girlfriend of three years you know I had, that you so disliked, right? You never had a good thing to say about her. But, I loved her so much…

          • Paul Hooson

            Kristy knows how to be a thorn in the side of many a man…We’ve had a friendly enemy relationship for many years. She always welcome in any business I own, as I get along with fine with everyone.

          • fustian24

            This somebody you know?

          • Paul Hooson

            Yes, some know it all who always had advice, wanted or unwanted, on how to run my business or what girlfriends I should have. I wanted to keep this forum on how my club protected customers, but Kristy loves the personal attacks on me. Maybe she needs to get her own million or two together and run her own club if she knows so much…

          • nanny

            Who knows himself a braggart, let him fear this, for it will come to pass that every braggart shall be found an ass. — William Shakespeare

          • Paul Hooson

            This thread is about violence at a nightclub. I’m probably the only person here with large nightclub experience and how I protected my customers. Under my plan, a killer like this or any evil doer would have no doubt taken my life in the parking lot, but have been stopped by my armed security at the door checkpoint at the second security perimeter. If I had to give up my life to save 50 or 100 customers, I would. If you want to judge my character, Nanny, then take this into account in your evaluation of my character and my commitment to customer safety. I once protected my customers in another business from an attacker with a machete. I’ve faced knives twice as well, but never a gun. I have a scar on my arm from being stabbed before.

          • This thread is about Terrorism at a Gay Club. You serve neither.

          • Paul Hooson

            With good security like I planned at my huge 340 person club, this violence might have been very limited and quickly stopped in the parking lot before the front door.

          • Sure…

          • Paul Hooson

            There was one gang member shot to death at the front door of the club before I owned it. Another customer was shot in the back sitting at the bar. The liquor control board, city government and police wanted to know my plans to prevent more shootings. My customers were always safe in my big club…

          • Of course…

          • Paul Hooson

            Here’s a great news feature on one of the murders at the club before I purchased it. http://portlandtribune.com/component/content/article?id=36091

          • Talk to the hand…

            It’s not all about you and your sex industry work.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            He had a club and provided security what is the difference?

          • The Bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral…

          • fustian24

            Sounds like a wanna be girlfriend. Or an ex maybe?

          • Paul Hooson

            Another complicated story in my life. The dangers of those dating sites. I did much better owning the club and meeting girls as young as 20 as friends.

          • fustian24

            Aren’t you a little old to be dating 20 year olds.

            They party too much and they like shitty music!

          • Paul Hooson

            You have to overlook the minor details like that…Girls about 33 seem like a nice fit for this nearly 61 year old guy…

          • Vagabond661

            When did wizbang turn into Facebook?

          • Paul Hooson

            I agree. I just wanted to share my club security formula and not be hunted down and put on trial by someone I once met on a dating site…

      • Paul Hooson

        You don’t know the paper workings between me and two other parties with big money. I moved to lease the club for rental income in more recent times, but I’ve gone through many month of renters not paying me the rent. But, that’s another story. I still hold a car dealer license until October and had an interest in months to concentrate on that business. – My good friend and business ally wants to see us come back and run the club as well as the car lot.

        My main point above was club security, Nanny. I explained how I made the club safe in a neighborhood with six armed ethnic gangs, keeping guns, knives and fights out of the club with 300 customers inside and $9000 or $10000 a night in sales kept safe from robbery. After the Beirut Marine barracks bombings during the Reagan years, I was impressed with military efforts to create new security perimeters and based my security model on this military model of a three level security perimeter plan. I’ve had long friendships in the motorcycle community, where many of many friends have both a military and security background and became natural choices to assist club security. When motorcyclists travel, the sergeant at arms and soldiers travel in a pattern designed to protect the club president from ambush attempts or other violence for example. There are many security efforts made because of the military background of many of the members to create safety and security. Many motorcyclists are in the security business, and are very loyal and do a very fine job with club security matters.

  • LiberalNightmare

    So when terrorists attack a gay nightclub and kill 50 gays its terrorism.

    When soldiers get killed its workplace violence.
    When civilians get their heads chopped off at chicken factories, its work place violence.
    Civilians in france are killed by terrorists at a rock concert, its a tragedy.

    I guess, that its actually easy to get obama to say the”T” word after all..

  • pennywit

    I don’t want this prosecuted as a crime. This guy professed allegiance to ISIS. I say treat this as an act of war. Enough acting through allies. Time to erase ISIS from the map.

    • jim_m

      But we aren’t acting through allies. 0bama has no such allies that would stick their necks out for him. We are effectively doing nothing.

    • There will be no prosecution, the perpetrator being severely dead.

    • Commander_Chico

      You don’t get it – USA has been aiding ISIS by sending weapons to them via “moderate Syrian rebels.” Our “allies” Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are helping ISIS directly.

      This is because they want “regime change” in Syria and then its ally Iran.

  • cathymv

    Once again americans were targeted by islamic terrorists – all the usual people came out to condemn the NRA, Christians, political rhetoric, gun culture, global warming – but never ever utter the words islamic terrorists – the leftists have put the feelings of mass murdering terrorists over the lives of gay americans!

  • Another day, another delinquency…