Discontent with Clinton and Trump

The discontent that American voters have with this year’s Democrat and Republican presidential nominees is often highlighted in news reports and for good reason. A 06/29/16 Quinnipiac poll shows just how bad the discontent is.

Quinnipiac University Poll assistant director Tim Malloy states, “It would be difficult to imagine a less flattering from-the-gut reaction to Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. This is where we are. Voters find themselves in the middle of a mean-spirited, scorched earth campaign between two candidates they don’t like. And they don’t think either candidate would be a good president.”

Such discontent with Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is illustrated in a comment that New Orleans resident George McGregor sent to the Fox News Halftime Report:

“I’m shocked and appalled that no one has started making Brewster’s Million’s jokes and/or started a campaign for None of the Above. I bet the next Q-Poll would have None of the Above with a double digit lead over both candidates.”

The discontent about Clinton’s candidacy may grow worse considering what The Washington Post reported on 06/29/16:

As Hillary Clinton tries to put to rest the controversy over her private email server that has dogged her presidential campaign, she has repeatedly cited her willingness to make her work correspondence public as evidence that she has nothing to hide. “I have provided all of my work-related emails, and I’ve asked that they be made public, and I think that demonstrates that I wanted to make sure that this information was part of the official records,” she told ABC News last month. But disclosures over the past several weeks have revealed dozens of emails related to Clinton’s official duties that crossed her private server and were not included in the 55,000 pages of correspondence she turned over to the State Department when the agency sought her emails in 2014.

Clinton’s actions pertaining to her e-mail are reminiscent of President Nixon’s actions pertaining to the tape recording of his meeting with H.R. Haldeman in the Oval Office on June 20, 1972. By the time that the Oval Office tape recordings finally reached Watergate investigators, the recording of the Nixon-Haldeman meeting had been erased.

The Articles of Impeachment against Nixon state that Nixon is guilty of “making or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation had been conducted with respect to allegations of misconduct on the part of personnel of the executive branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct.”

Although Clinton has not been indicted for criminal wrongdoing (at least not yet), she gives the appearance that she is as deceptive as Nixon.

The voter discontent about Donald Trump is due to him being uncouth. The voter discontent about Hillary Clinton is due to her being Nixonesque.

If I had to choose between uncouth and Nixonesque, then I’d choose the former.

Then again, like plenty of American voters, I’d prefer to reset the entire presidential race.

Reset of Presidential Contest

Side Note: A report by The Smoking Gun reveals how the Clinton campaign tries to stop reporters from asking Hillary Clinton questions. Granted, a reporter shouldn’t invade a candidate’s personal space without permission in order to ask a question. Still, Clinton’s staff members seem determined to prevent reporters from asking Clinton questions even when reporters aren’t doing such a thing.

(Originally posted @ The Moderate Voice)

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  • Vagabond661

    There’s been discontent on the Republican side in the past what.. Like 3 presidential elections. This time it’s the Democrats. Heck even in Obama’s reelection there was voter apathy as hope and change voters realized they were lied to.

    • Guy N.O. Donald

      The hope and change was blocked at the cost of increased suffering for millions of Americans by the GOP leadership

  • Wild_Willie

    I think Trump speaks with the frustration Americans feel at this time. We are all so tired when it comes to the status quo. The establishment on both sides mean nothing of substance will get done. I personally am tired of throwing away money, bowing to foreign leaders when it is not deserved, spending unchecked, allowing our borders to become a joke, etc. He may not be PC but then again, maybe it is time to NOT be PC. Hillary is the same ole same ole with threats of indictments over her head. To me, the choice is easy. ww

    • pennywit

      It’s not just right-wingers who are fed up. It’s also left-wingers (hence, Bernie’s brief ascendancy) and an assortment of moderates. Trump is a new flavor, but he’s also a very polarizing candidate. I think people are going to go for Hillary not because they like her, but because they dislike Trump.

      • Paul Hooson

        She’s awful, yet less crazy than Trump. Sadly, Trump makes even Ross Perot seem coherent and rational by comparison. Trump is like Lyndon LaRouche, except with a lot of money.

        • Commander_Chico

          When Hillary puts you in prison for exploiting women and gendercrime, I will be laughing from Spain.

          • Paul Hooson

            Yeah, feminazis don’t like Jew pornographers very much…

          • Commander_Chico

            On the bright side, think of the stories you’ll hear from Ron Jeremy when you’re sharing a cell with him in Mancamp 13.

          • Scalia

            I don’t like any pornographer—Jew or gentile.

          • Paul Hooson

            I know, you’d rather sleep with a gun than a woman. I love the women personally myself. But, to each his own. Who am I to judge what floats someone’s boat. I’ll be 61 in a few days where I’ve had seven girlfriends in the past three years, aged 20 to 38. Girlfriends and motorcycles make me a happy boy…

          • jim_m

            I’ve had seven girlfriends in the past three years

            One stands amazed at the shallowness of your character.

          • Paul Hooson

            No, actually variety is the vice of life…

      • Commander_Chico

        Many Bernie people will vote for Trump.

        • pennywit

          This article suggests around 20 percent might break for Trump:

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/24/how-likely-are-bernie-sanders-supporters-to-actually-vote-for-donald-trump-here-are-some-clues/

          I’d put it closer to 10-15 percent.

          • Commander_Chico
          • pennywit

            Read the article and evaluate for yourself.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            I think this number changes once Bernie tells his people to vote for Hillary, but this will not happen until he hammers out a deal and some concessions from Hillary.

            As far as Trump goes, apparently he will be making no concessions. This is going to be a weird GOP convention; it is almost as if he has told the GOP, “I got this” and they can show up if they like, but he really doesn’t care.

          • Commander_Chico

            Why I like Trump. Fuck those GOP shills and chickenhawks.

          • Commander_Chico

            I read it. I have no confidence in the integrity of their polling.

        • Paul Hooson

          In some states such as Utah and Eastern Oregon, the election returns strongly suggest that many conservative anti-Hillary Democrats joined the liberals to oppose Hillary, casting protest votes for Sanders. Where Trump can blow this is by acting crazy sort of like a Lyndon LaRouche sort of conspiracy theory wacko, except with a lot of money.

      • Guy N.O. Donald

        Who wants a sociopath like Trump to have the control of our nukes ?

        • pennywit

          Somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-45 percent of the electorate, according to polls.

    • Guy N.O. Donald

      That psychopathic false god is hell bent on causing the destruction of America !!

  • pennywit

    I hope the polls start to ask about Jill Stein and Andrew Johnson as well as Trump and Cilnton.

    • PBunyan

      Might as well add Vermine Supreme to your list of people you hope the polls start to ask about. He’d probably poll better than the nobodies you mentioned.

      • pennywit

        Disagree. Vermin Supreme isn’t the nominee of any party, nor is he on the ballot as an independent in any state.

        On the other hand, the Green Party (which nominated Jill Stein) is on the ballot in (I believe) 22 states, while the Libertarian Party is (I believe) on the ballot in around thirty states. Mathematically, either one of them could swing the election to Trump and Clinton.

        In an ordinary year, I’d agree with you about the polls not asking about them. But this time around, the major-party candidates have such high negatives that I think it’s at least worth taking the temperature on Stein and Johnson.

        Look, I think the Greens and the Libertarians both have a lot of nutcases in the house. But they’re never going to break into the mainstream if the mainstream keeps ignoring them … ahd honestly, they’re the only alternatives to the Hill and Donald Show.

        • PBunyan

          Oh, you meant Gary Johnson. You wrote “Andrew Johnson”. I had no clue who you were talking about. I thought it was some other fringe candidate.

          Yeah, the Libertarian might get a record showing this year, but it won’t matter. The choice is still going to be Trump vs. whomever the Uniparty ends up running against him (I still don’t think it will be the rapist’s wife).

          • pennywit

            Got my wires crossed. I’m buying a birthday gift for a friend who likes history, and I was thinking about the 17th president.

  • PBunyan

    The sad thing is that almost all the of reasons people give for not liking Trump are lies fabricated, fostered, spread, and perpetuated the media which is controlled by the uniparty oligarchs that own it (including most of the right-leaning media). For example, you hear over and over again how he’s a liar and a racist, but ask for examples of him lying or being a racist and you only hear stupid, unfounded opinions and demonstrably false stories.

    Now, the rapist’s wife on the other hand… There are hundreds, maybe 1000’s of legitimate reasons why she should not be allowed anywhere near the Whitehouse (and quite a few reasons why she should be in prison).

    • Hank_M

      After almost 8 years of Obama, you’d think the liar accusation, although false as you stated, would be in-operative.

      As for the racist label, also false as you noted, everything is racist nowadays.
      Trump could ask for a brownie and be labeled racist.

      http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20160629_Why_police_were_called_to_a_South_Jersey_third_grade_class_party.html

    • Trump is a lifelong Democrat who has earned his money by saying whatever it took to close the deal. He’s also a rent seeker who buys politicians to further those ends.

      That, and his vulgarity, are why I have no use for him.

      • PBunyan

        Sad. But Hillary thanks you for supporting her!

  • WHO’S THE BUSTER

    Just saw this comment about who Trump selected to vet possible VP choices. You have to admit it is funny in the context of him claiming to hire the best.

    “Culvahouse, a former White House counsel who is managing the vetting for Trump, was the lawyer who vetted former Alaska governor Sarah Palin for the GOP vice-presidential nomination during the 2008 campaign.”

    • Paul Hooson

      Trump appears to be unable to win his home state of New York, where no president has ever been elected unable to win their home state. Chris Christie also appears to be unable to win New Jersey for Trump, so that adds nothing to the ticket. Newt Gingrich can carry Georgia for Trump, but Trump would narrowly win there regardless. Trump needs Florida and/or Ohio in his column to hold any chance of an electoral college win.

      • Scalia

        …no president has ever been elected unable to win their home state.

        Paul, Paul, Paul. Did you go to the David Robertson school of history? In fact three presidents have won the presidency while losing their residence state (Polk, Wilson & Nixon). In fact, Polk won the presidency while losing both his birth and residence states. Several more won the presidency while losing their birth state (e.g. Lincoln).

        • Paul Hooson

          Wow. Thank you for that trivia! I was mostly referring to the state they represent in political office, but I’ll take residence state as well as fair. I know many people think that Florida was the election decider in 2000, but in fact A Gore lost the election by the sake of losing his home state of Tennessee. – If only Trump was able to mend fences with Gov. Kasich of Ohio, and Kasich can deliver Ohio is the one state that could be the election decider this year. Tell me the winner of Ohio and I will tell you the election winner.

          • Scalia

            I was mostly referring to the state they represent in political office…

            Paul, you have to legally reside in the state you represent.

          • jim_m

            That’s what cost Lugar his Senate seat.

          • Commander_Chico

            Plus the neocons poured money in for his opponent. Lugar is a patriot and a realist.

          • jim_m

            Lugar had no legal residence in Indiana. He broke the law – the people held him to account when his fellow pols refused to.

          • Your support reveals the falsity of both purported virtues.

          • That was not trivia, it was the destruction of the basis of your thesis.

  • Paul Hooson

    They’re both corrupt as hell. Donald Trump’s racketeering trial over his failed Trump University scam comes later in November after the election, while Hillary’s issues will be addressed before the election. I expect scandal and problems with either presidency.

  • WHO’S THE BUSTER

    Well, many of you will be happy to know that while water pistols will not be allowed in the “event” area of the GOP convention, real guns will be, as a recent ruling has supported Ohio’s open carry law.

    So in an area with many groups either supporting or protesting the convention and the recent violence toward Trump supporters at some rallies, along with previous episodes of Trump supporters “roughing up” protesters, at least we will have a lot of people with guns to make sure nothing goes wrong.

    As described by Tim Selatey:

    “You can take my string and you can take my duct tape, but you can’t
    take my gun — it’s open carry,” Tim Selatey, the direct of operations at
    Citizens for Trump who identifies himself in court documents as a Trump supporter since 2012, told U.S. News.

    “Now you’ve got Westboro Baptist in the mix, the KKK and David Duke,
    you’ve got anarchist groups showing up, Black Panthers, Black Lives
    Matter, communist groups showing up — you’re talking about, for lack of
    better words, ‘The Purge’ here,” Selatey told U.S. News.

    “Once you’re inside our event area, you’ll be protected,” he says.

    Unfortunately, despite efforts from some groups to openly display guns inside the convention hall, there will be no guns allowed at the actual event due to Secret Service regulations.

    • Scalia

      Well, I, for one, am quite happy about that. Do you have an issue with law-abiding citizens carrying guns?

      • Paul Hooson

        There’s that gun thing again there….I referenced that in a comment above…

        • Scalia

          He raised the issue, and my comment above had nothing to do with guns. So, that’s twice in a thread about Clinton and Trump that YOU talked about guns. You might want to read my Pot & Kettle post.

          • Paul Hooson

            I do support gun rights and the 2nd Amendment just as you do, Scalia. But, guns are not the most important thing in my life or a passion.

          • Scalia

            Nor are they mine, but at the moment, those rights are under attack, and I’m not going to let the David Robertsons of the world have an uncontested platform to spew their uninformed opinions at us. I will be just as intense defending our rights as they are to take them away.

          • Like WJC supports marital fidelity.

      • jim_m

        Short answer: Yes.

  • Brucehenry

    A choice must be made. Except for a little gratuitous Obama-bashing, Mark Salter has it exactly right.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/06/29/why_this_republican_wont_vote_for_trump_131043.html?utm_content=buffer2a236

    • Vagabond661

      That’s why we call them RINOS.

    • jim_m

      It wasn’t until I got down to the comment about his being in Scotland that I realized the article wasn’t about 0bama. Honestly, everything he says about Trump to that point is equally true about 0bama.

      Funny that Bruce is upset about those things now.

      • Brucehenry

        What is the TITLE of the article?

        I’ve always said you can’t fucking read and now you’ve proudly proclaimed the same.

        • jim_m

          Irony dipstick. The article says Trump throughout. But the reality (which I will note you did not oppose and therefore you tacitly admit the truth of) is that it really could be about 0bama because it he is guilty of exactly the same things.

          • Brucehenry

            Actually no, it’s a poor choice for your dumbass “Obama is just the same!” so-called “irony.”

            Obama didn’t equate running the world’s most powerful government to opening a golf course, as Trump did, thus demonstrating once again his status as ignoramus par excellence.

            Obama doesn’t pose as a business genius while operating as a business charlatan, cheating his contractors, investors, and customers.

            Obama doesn’t demonstrate an obsession with criticism, retweeting links from racists or spewing misogyny about women bleeding from their wherevers.

            Obama doesn’t shout jingo against our trading partners and vague nonsense about “making America great again” by magic and tough guy talk.

            Obama’s election and reelection didn’t make the top 10 list of the world’s security threats, as Trump’s potential election has. Obama has not encouraged non-nuclear states to acquire nukes. Do YOU think a nuclear South Korea and a nuclear Japan are good ideas? How about a nuclear Saudi Arabia?

            It’s not Obama who repudiates America’s commitment to human rights and international law. Trump advocates waterboarding “and a hell of a lot worse,” the murder of the families of jihadists, and making common cause with nativist movements in Europe, Russia, and elsewhere.

            Like Hillary Clinton, Obama is “not ignorant or hateful or a nut,” like Trump most demonstrably is.

            So your third-grade attempt at “irony, dipstick” is a big fat fail.

          • jim_m

            0bama has run the presidency with the ideology of a 12 year old. He has treated allies that we have had for over a century like a pissy little girl.

            0bama doesn’t pose as a genius. He has come right out and claimed that he is better than everyone else at everything.

            “I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I
            know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy
            directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better
            political director than my political director.”

            That statement alone earns him all the contempt he receives and more.

          • Brucehenry

            But Trump’s statements that “I have a very good brain” and “I listen to myself” when it comes to foreign policy advice because “none of them [foreign policy experts] are any good” are examples of modesty and humility.

          • jim_m

            As I have said on multiple occasions, Trump is an ass. I have never made claims to his modesty as you have with 0bama.

          • Brucehenry

            Have I? When was that?

          • jim_m

            “Obama doesn’t pose as a business genius”

          • Brucehenry

            Do you have examples of Obama “posing as a business genius?” Also he doesn’t “pose as a business genius while operating as a business charlatan, cheating his contractors, investors, and customers” was the complete thought.

          • jim_m

            You said you did not make claims as to 0bama’s modesty. I just showed you that you did on this very thread.

          • Brucehenry

            Well if that’s how you read it you go on ahead and think that’s what I was saying, bless your heart.

          • jim_m

            It’s hard to take any list of security threats seriously from people who believe that AGW is the single greatest threat to security.

            The left bandies security threat accusations around like they are passing out Halloween candy.

            You would have said (actually I think you did) that Bush was the greatest security threat to the world. You sure as hell would have said it about Reagan. I doubt there has ever been a GOP candidate that you didn’t consider as one.

          • Brucehenry

            Here’s the list. Don’t see anything about AGW on it.

            https://gfs.eiu.com/Archive.aspx?archiveType=globalrisk

          • jim_m

            You have failed to hear any of 0bama or Biden’s comments over the last 8 years that AGW is the single greatest threat to national security.

            Why am I not surprised. You only hear what you want to hear. You never see a scandal with the dems. You never hear their gaffes. You fail to see their rampant racism.

          • Brucehenry

            I’m talking about the list Salter mentions in his article. It wasn’t Obama or Biden who called a potential Trump victory a threat to global security, it was the Economist Intelligence Unit, the list to which I linked.

          • jim_m

            And I am talking about the admin’s record for the last 8 years. Which is more relevant?

            Your list also includes several items relating to the break up of the EU. There are many that would argue that an EU break up, while disruptive economically, will neither be economically disastrous (in fact it would be beneficial for southern Europe), nor would it be a threat to global security.

            The list is written by a bunch of globalists with an agenda.

          • Brucehenry

            Well certainly there are lists and then there are lists. I’m sure some people will not agree with the Economist Intelligence Unit. I posted Salter’s article as a common sense litany of reasons why he, I, and most thinking people (I hope to God) fear the prospect of a Trump presidency. You don’t have to agree with every detail of every point he makes to see that it is a well-written and pretty comprehensive short article.

          • jim_m

            I understand that trump is a loose canon (I have said so repeatedly). I also believe that the rampant corruption that Clinton represents is in fact more dangerous both with regard to foreign policy (Hillary has demonstrated a willingness to compromise national security in order to avoid prosecution for corruption), as wells as with regard to our democracy.

          • Brucehenry

            Well I guess we just won’t agree then, lol. Hardly a surprise.

          • jim_m

            Disagree that Hillary has in any way compromised national security with her private email server? You really are a fool.

          • Brucehenry

            Disagree as to which candidate would be the biggest threat to America’s, and the world’s, peace and prosperity.

          • jim_m

            So you are admitting that she has compromised national security for reasons of corruption and/or paranoia and therefore has committed a felony and you believe that she should still be President.

            Nice.

          • Brucehenry

            Well if that’s what you think you read you go right on ahead and think so, bless your heart.

          • jim_m

            So you believe that running a private server that had no protections against an attack and which could not monitor if such attacks were being made, in no way compromised national security.

            You can’t have it both ways. Either you believe that IT security is completely pointless and unnecessary or you believe that she compromised national security (a felony) and you are OK with that. There really is no middle ground on this issue.

          • Brucehenry

            I have no way of knowing if your characterization of said server is accurate, but knowing your relationship with the truth over the years, I doubt it.

          • jim_m

            It happens to be accurate. But knowing your refusal to ever stand up for the law, for principle or for the US and its interests, even if your claim of ignorance is true, you would still refuse to admit that Hillary was wrong and you would defend putting a national security felon in the WH.

          • Brucehenry

            Says who?

          • jim_m

            That was nonresponsive. Are you denying that she had a private email server? Are you denying the reports that it lacked security measures? Are you denying the reports(which have included proof) that classified information was transmitted by her with that account? Are you denying that federal law says it is a felony? Are you denying that you refuse to stand up for the law? Are you denying that you support her for President? Are you denying that you are willfully ignorant of all of the above?

            All of these have already been demonstrated multiple times.

          • Brucehenry

            I am asking who says it lacked security measures, and what specific security measures it lacked. And who says that this alleged lack of security somehow amounts to a felony?

            Certainly not the nine, count ’em, nine Congressional investigations (so far).

          • jim_m

            Jesus Fucking Christ! The FB Fucking I. No. It wasn’t the lack of security. It was the handling of classified content without it. All the investigations say that classified content was there. The fucking federal code says it’s a felony.

          • Brucehenry

            Yes it is so obvious that after almost 4 years there is no indictment and it doesn’t look as if there will be one.

          • jim_m

            Oh, so you believe that the politicized DOJ would ever indict a democrat? We already have proof that they will not. If they would then Jon Corzine would be in prison.

          • Brucehenry

            In your bubble you can’t lose. If there is an indictment you win because hey there’s an indictment, and if not it was never going to happen anyway so it proves nothing. That way you never have to stop repeating the same old accusations. That’s why the Foster story still has legs in Wingnutistan.

          • jim_m

            And yet I have never said anything about that. You try to distract from the current scandal by bringing it up while you refuse to admit even one of the well documented facts of this case.

          • Brucehenry

            If your specific allegations are so well documented link to some documentation, from a non-wingnut site.

          • jim_m

            This has been discussed multiple times on Wizbang with links to mainstream news agencies. You deny them every time. As I have said before you would deny the coming of fascism right to them loading rail cars for the concentration camps. You would deny it even if they made you take a tour of the crematoria after the war. There is no evidence that will satisfy you. Not even a pile of dead bodies.

          • Brucehenry

            You’re a hoot, and no I don’t remember seeing any links. Why not supply one now?

          • jim_m

            Because this has been going on for months already. I am not going to reargue issues where you have already lost. Hillary did have classified email on her server. She did have them remove safeguards. SHe did refuse a secure State Dept account. If you are incapable of finding that info online it is only because you are deliberately avoiding doing so.

          • Brucehenry

            Yes wingnuts like yourself have been repeating these allegations for months, and you are unable to differentiate between “repetition” and “proof.”

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            That is the part where the right loses all credibility.

            They have been accusing the Clintons of wrongdoing for years, but when they attach as much credence to their claims that the Clintons are not only murderers, but responsible for more than one, that it truly veers into the realm of an unhealthy obsession that is ignorant of any facts or evidence that may refute their outrageous rantings.

          • jim_m

            0bama doesn’t repudiate America’s commitment to human rights. He just abrogates them by murdering people with drones. But you are OK with that.

            0bama doesn’t repudiate America’s commitment to human rights. He just abrogates them by promoting the criminal regime in Iraq.

            0bama doesn’t repudiate America’s commitment to human rights. He just abrogates them by blaming Benghazi on a bogus filmmaker, putting that person in prison as a scapegoat for his failed policies.

            You are fucking ignorant.

            You think 0bama isn’t hateful? He’s the biggest racist we have had in the oval office since the civil fucking war!

            You think Hillary isn’t hateful? You have failed to read the experiences of EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON SHE HAS EVER INTERACTED WITH.

            You are a lying apologist for fascism.

          • Brucehenry

            Three comments in a row, each one more over the top than the last, lol.

            BTW the choice is not between Trump and Obama, but Trump and Clinton. And despite your hilarious all-caps exclamation, Hillary does not have a reputation as a hateful person, except among wingnuts.

          • jim_m

            Hillary does not have a reputation as a hateful person, especially among her bootlicking worshipers.

            FIFY.

          • Brucehenry

            Well I assume some of her “bootlicking worshipers” are among the set of EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON SHE HAS EVER INTERACTED WITH, right?

            Get your spittle-flecked denunciations straight dude. LOL

          • jim_m

            Really? When did you meet with her?

          • Brucehenry

            “Some of”

    • Commander_Chico

      I am sure Salter’s view aligns with der Sturmbannführer’s. He is a “national greatness” neocon who mostly hates Trump for an unstated reason: Trump won’t bomb all the countries McCain wants bombed.

      • Brucehenry

        No Trump will just bomb Canada if Trudeau says Trump has small hands. And will encourage South Korea and Japan to acquire nukes, that’ll be helpful. And will start (or accelerate) a trade war with China which might just become a, you know, actual war. And will stand aside as Putin gobbles up the rest of Ukraine and maybe the Baltic countries too.

        • jim_m

          Bombing Canada would be fine. The Canadians will almost certainly apologize for making us bomb them. (plus if we just say that we did it because they offend muslims they would bow down and beg for forgiveness.)

    • Commander_Chico

      This is my standing argument against Hillary:

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmaCSPAUIAEVxVH.jpg

      • Brucehenry

        I understand that and share your concern but Trump will not be a better overall choice.

      • jim_m

        Honestly, I believe that Hillary would rather make war against the American people that overseas.

        • Her goal will be to exceed her husbands body count at Waco…

          • Commander_Chico

            And Bush’s too.

  • Brucehenry

    I know you guys think that there is no such thing as a racist or anti-Semitic dogwhistle, so what do you call this?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmXcMbjVYAAk-tI.jpg

    • jim_m

      I call this you seeing racism everywhere except for where it really is.

      You said the same bullshit about Sarah Palin and the Gabby Giffords shooting so F off.

      • Brucehenry

        No I didn’t lol.

        And so you don’t see the anti-Semitism in an image of one’s political opponent, whom one has criticized as a “tool of the big banks,” over a backdrop of dollar bills accompanied by a Star of David.

        Okey dokie.

        • jim_m

          I do see the similarity. I don’t see antisemitism with regard to Hillary (a huge fan of the palis) and there was no mention of banks or Jews in the ad.

          The antisemitism is in your head. You brought it with you. I suppose that you will find some Jewish conspiracy because Rahm Emmanuel is Mayor of Chicago and there are 4 6 pointed stars on Chicago’s flag.

          • Brucehenry

            There is no mention, of course. That’s why things like this are called dogwhistles, and also why this tweet was deleted and replaced by an image that had a circle instead of a Star of David when it got pushback.

          • jim_m

            So in other words, they didn’t mean the association and it really was in your heart. Got it.

          • Brucehenry

            Actually they were just too stupid to realize how obvious a dogwhistle this was and had to ashamedly delete it when it got pushback. Because the Trump campaign, like Trump himself, is a trainwreck, full of incompetence and obliviousness.

          • jim_m

            Anti-semitic dog whistles are only heard by the antisemites.

          • Brucehenry

            Ah yes the He Who Smelt It Dealt It defense. OK.

          • jim_m

            The fact is that the left constantly makes these accusations and the reality is that they do so because they have an unhealthy obsession with race and victimhood groups.

          • Brucehenry

            As if you lived in a world of “fact” and “reality.”

          • Demonstrably more so than you.

          • Brucehenry
          • Brucehenry

            Jim? Jim? Where did you go? What about the link I posted, you know, the one where Trump’s little oh so non-antiSemitic tweet is shown to be from a white supremacist site on June 22? You know, the one you have defended as no biggie and not proof of anything?

            Here it is again:

            https://mic.com/articles/147711/donald-trump-s-star-of-david-hillary-clinton-meme-was-created-by-white-supremacists?utm_source=AOL&

          • jim_m

            Fine it was produced by an alleged white supremacist and adopted by a clumsy Trump campaign drone. You have proof that Trump himself deliberately made an antisemitic smear. Oh wait, you don’t. You have only proof that Trump runs a crappy campaign. Tell me something I don’t know.

          • Brucehenry

            Trump tweeted this from his personal Twitter account.

            You’re still not ready to admit that bigotry still exists, especially on the right, and that liberals are not imagining things when they see it. Hey, it’s no big deal when the nominee of one of the two major political parties broadcasts anti-Semitic propaganda from white supremacist websites — it was only a “clumsy Trump campaign drone.”

            You’re like someone from the Onion:

            http://www.theonion.com/article/alarming-study-finds-more-than-12-instances-of-rac-27310

          • Commander_Chico

            Does this make Hillary honest or less of a warmonger?

          • Brucehenry

            Not the point of this little side conversation, but no, of course not.

          • jim_m

            To answer your question on another thread: No. You are the only person experiencing such difficulties.

          • Brucehenry

            But it does supply further evidence that Trump is obviously unsuited to hold the office.

          • jim_m

            Why? You voted twice for the biggest antisemite of the last century.

          • Brucehenry

            Wow. I’ve seen stubbornness before. I’ve seen denial before. But you’re a special case.

          • jim_m

            There is plenty of evidence that 0bama is an antisemite. You are projecting when you make remarks about denial.

          • Brucehenry

            Yes I’ve seen what you call “evidence that Obama is an antisemite.” And now I’ve submitted ACTUAL evidence that Trump has retweeted antisemitic propaganda from a white supremacist website and all you can do is deflect.

            I don’t even know why, except for your reflexive need to contradict me personally. You have often said Trump is an ass and a loose cannon, but for some reason (oh wait I’ve already named the reason) you feel compelled to defend him — hell you originally said the meme wasn’t antisemitic at all!

          • jim_m

            I accept your proof that it was produced by someone that is arguably an antisemite. However, there is nothing overtly antisemitic about it. You can make an argument that the use of the 6 pointed star is antisemitic in this context but without something clearer you are reduced to saying that virtually any use of that symbol is antisemitic.

          • Brucehenry

            Pathetic excuser of despicable internet antisemitism.

          • jim_m

            LOL. So says the man who finds every way possible to excuse the fascist and antidemocratic actions of the left. You have all but defended islamic terrorism and endorsed 0bama’s policy of calling it workplace violence. You have no grounds to call anyone an antisemite when you are hanging with the chief among them.

  • A lying cretin wrote:

    Except for a little gratuitous Obama-bashing…

    No
    Such
    Thing.

  • Commander_Chico
    • Brucehenry

      Except that sometimes there are indeed crazy dangerous racist candidates running. And you yourself are pushing the “Hillary is dangerous” meme, so let’s not get too carried away with how all those “other people” are dupes of the “elite class.”

  • jim_m

    The NSA has said that Wikileaks is a front for Russian Intelligence. So now that they are publishing 1258 emails from Hillary about the Iraq war can we assume that the Russians hacked her server? Can we finally lay to rest any question of whether or not she compromised national security and charge her with a felony already?

  • Guy N.O. Donald

    Trump is so much more than uncouth, mean spirited, vile, despicable and vindictive. He is a racist demagogue, sociopath who has designs on creating his own white supremacist authoritarian regime after he destroys democracy in America and the economy, the environment and etc. !