Clinton’s Jobs Promises Outran Her Results

From the Washington Post:

In her presidential bid, Hillary Clinton has made job creation a centerpiece of her platform, casting herself as a pragmatist who would inspire “the biggest investment in new, good-paying jobs since World War II.’’

Her argument that she would put more Americans to work has focused on her time in the Senate, when she took on the mission of creating jobs in chronically depressed Upstate New York. As her husband, former president Bill Clinton, put it recently, she became the region’s “de facto economic development officer.”

But nearly eight years after Clinton’s Senate exit, there is little evidence that her economic development programs had a substantial impact on upstate employment. Despite Clinton’s efforts, upstate job growth stagnated overall during her tenure, with manufacturing jobs plunging nearly 25 percent, according to jobs data.

The former first lady was unable to pass the big-ticket legislation she introduced to benefit the upstate economy. She turned to smaller-scale projects, but some of those fell flat after initial glowing headlines, a Washington Post review shows. Many promised jobs never materialized and others migrated to other states as she turned to her first presidential run, said former officials who worked with her in New York.

Clinton’s self-styled role as economic promoter also showcases an operating style that has come to define the political and money-making machine known to some critics of the former first couple as Clinton Inc. Some of her pet economic projects involved loyal campaign contributors, who also supported the Clinton Foundation, The Post review shows.

[T]he campaign declined to estimate how many jobs Clinton created. Campaign officials cited a line from a chart produced by the New York State Department of Labor, showing “Upstate New York’’ gaining 117,000 jobs during Clinton’s first term.

The Post was unable to confirm that number, and the state agency does not use Upstate New York as a specific regional area to measure employment. Different agencies use different metrics to count jobs, and definitions of what constitutes upstate New York vary.

The most authoritative jobs numbers are widely considered to be those from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). Multiple analyses of its New York data show that upstate actually lost jobs during Clinton’s first term. For example, the non-partisan Public Policy Institute in Albany — which uses BLS data for a monthly snapshot of Upstate New York — reported that the region lost more than 31,000 payroll jobs between October 2001 and December 2006.

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  • Paul Hooson

    I don’t think that Clinton has really been in any position of power to be that heavily involved in job creation as of yet, so we should assume she is largely untested in that area. But, she does support a higher minimum wage for workers and other positive proposals. Her appointments as economic advisors will be the most important in these areas. some countries like South Korea made various partnerships or other deals to aid particular industries with great results with powerhouse industries such as Samsung and Hyundai resulting. The Obama Administration support for the GM and Chrysler bailout did improve the overall health of the entire automobile market from 9 million units in 2008 to 16 million units this year. Gasoline peaked at $4.11 in 2008 but was as low as $2.00 a gallon in 2016. Unemployment is down substantially from 2008. While, I would love to see further progress than this, coming back from the deep recession of 2008 was a deep hole to climb out of.

    By contrast, much of the jobs created by Trump have largely appealed to Mexican immigrants as minimum wage jobs changing sheets in his hotels or cooking meals in his kitchens. As he opposes a minimum wage increase, and his record in mostly creating parttime minimum wage labor jobs, his role as a high wage quality job creator is also largely untested.

    • Walter_Cronanty

      “…she does support a higher minimum wage for workers and other positive proposals.”

      What bs. Minimum wage laws are government bans against low wage jobs.
      Black teens hurt the most.

      “White teenage unemployment is about 14 percent. That for black teenagers is about 30 percent. The labor force participation rate for white teens is 37 percent, and that for black teens is 25 percent.

      Many years ago, in 1948, the figures were exactly the opposite. The unemployment rate of black 16-year-old and 17-year-old males was 9.4 percent, while that of whites was 10.2 percent.

      Up until the late 1950s, black teens, as well as black adults, were more active in the labor market than their white counterparts….

      Supporters of a $15 minimum wage are now admitting that there will be job losses. “Why shouldn’t we in fact accept job loss?” asks New School economics and urban policy professor David Howell, adding, “What’s so bad about getting rid of crappy jobs, forcing employers to upgrade, and having a serious program to compensate anyone who is in the slightest way harmed by that?””

      • Paul Hooson

        Strippers generally would earn a few hundred dollars a night for about 4 hours work, where one even claimed to have once earned $3,000 one evening. We had a “rain machine” in the club where a customer inserts a $100 bill, and machine rains 100 one dollar bills on the dancer. This makes me feel very good that many single mothers are able to well support their children with their entertainer job. – I will agree that in the short-run that many businesses panic when it comes to any wage increase and may cut some hours, however at some reasonable point if shelves are not stocked or other labor shortage problems the business will respond by restoring hours. Business faces many increases in rent, utility bills, taxes, etc., but usually finds some way to cope.

        Black teen unemployment might be due to many factors including limited jobs in a tightly congested urban area or even some form of racism where many get passed over for job. But. preparing a solid resume is a great way for any job applicant to gain a hiring advantage over others.

        Many businesses rely on a low paid parttime workforce such as fast food, where I don’t see much to ever change that trend. And, as many factory jobs in China rise to $2 an hour, some like even Donald Trump contracted his clothing manufacturing to Bangladesh where wages are only 30cents an hour, but the electrical grid is not always dependable.

        • alanstorm

          Do you have a point? Do you know what it is? Will you let US know what it is?

          You ARE aware, are you not, that government can’t create productive jobs* except in the negative sense, i.e. by getting out of the way?

          *Jobs made necessary by red tape or in order to follow regulations don’t count.

          • Paul Hooson

            Private industry is always the absolute best to create high paying jobs. I purchased a $2 million dollar closed strip club and created many high paying jobs for single mothers with children.

        • Commander_Chico

          I am picturing that “rain machine,” the chumps feeding it, and the naked stretched out single moms dancing around them.

        • Walter_Cronanty

          “Many businesses rely on a low paid parttime workforce such as fast food, where I don’t see much to ever change that trend.”

          Wrong. There’s a big “change” to “that trend.”

          This is one of hundreds of articles on the “change” to “that trend”: “Minimum-wage offensive could speed arrival of robot-powered restaurants”

          And it’s not only the fast food industry: “It’s become commonplace for computers to replace American workers — think about those on an assembly line and in toll booths — but two University of Oxford professors have come to a surprising conclusion: Waitresses, fast-food workers and others earning at or near the minimum wage should also be on alert.

          President Obama’s proposal to increase the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 per hour could make it worthwhile for employers to adopt emerging technologies to do the work of their low-wage workers.”

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            If anyone wants to know what happened to employment in this country they only have to look at Detroit.

            I grew up on the east side of Detroit and everyone on my block either worked for one of the Big 3 or their jobs were dependent upon them.

            The beauty of time was that no education or skills were required to work the assembly line, but with overtime, they earned the kind of living that afforded a nice home, either a cottage or boat and the financial resources to send their children to college. Detroit was among the most prosperous cities in the world and the standard of living was among the most comfortable. I was fortunate enough to obtain a job on the assembly line for one year to save money for college and was able to transition to a Monday and Saturday schedule through my first year in school (with Saturday paying overtime). Those opportunities no longer exist, in fact I have no idea how anyone could pay their way through school on their own as I paid 14 dollars a credit hour and I am sure it is now $140 an hour, which is ridiculous, but that is another story.

            The auto industry was among the first industries to integrate and there was a vibrant middle class population comprised of Blacks in the region. They could work for the Big 3 or any number of factories that made auto parts.

            The story of employment in Detroit paints an accurate picture of labor in America. The downturn in the auto industry caused the loss of many jobs that never returned and no industry arose that offered good paying jobs for people with no specific skills or education. A drive through Detroit now is a trip through a vacant city; it was the fifth largest city in America with a population of over 1.4 million, but is now a third of that number.

            So now what? The auto industry rebounded and there is substantial investment (1.5 billion was just designated for one of the local engine plants), but there is one thing you notice when you enter the factories now; very few people. Lots of robots, but a decreasing number of employees. Additionally, the employees that now remain do not make nearly what the “old” employees earn. They have a two tier system where an “old” employee is earning the equivalent of $30 plus dollars an hour, while the tier 2 employees (hired within the past 12 or 13 years) make $15 or $16 an hour with fewer benefits).

            I don’t blame the companies, I would have done the same and no one (including Trump) is going to change that trend. Trump spoke to the Detroit Economic Club yesterday and spoke of proposals that would bring those manufacturing jobs back to America. What was the response from the auto industry? Good luck. Auto sales increases are now in overseas markets as the American auto market is flat. Are they going to build a new factory in Detroit to make cars that will be sold in China or South America?

            No one could have changed what happened and promises of making things go back to the way they used to be, even if you call it “Make America Great Again” is disingenuous.

            Our current economy is the new normal as companies have learned how to eliminate one of their most significant areas of expenditure; people. The next challenge is how people are going to earn money in an economy that will need fewer and fewer employees, with many of those jobs in industries that do not pay a high wage.

            Neither side has that answer, but it is inevitable that it will lead to more poverty and a quickly declining middle class. Corporations will do fine if they sell overseas, but suffer if they are strictly domestic as there will be fewer people with money.

            Fixing the health care system will have to be undertaken as it will take up a fifth of GDP within the next few years and we have the most expensive system in the world while also being among the worst when measured for efficiency. Haven’t heard a lot about that in this campaign.

          • One must suppose you find it an unfortunate coincidence that 8 of the 8 most corrupt, violent, and disfunctional cities in the United States have been politcally dominated by the dhimmocrats for at least the last fifty years…

            That is what one might call a very low probability coincidence instead rising to strong evidence of cause and effect.

        • Walter_Cronanty

          Don’t get me wrong, Paul. Anybody who can make a buck as a business owner in our overregulated, bloated, byzantine, bureauratic nightmare of a crony capitalist economic system is fine by me.
          BUT – it really pisses me off when you advocate for even more costly government regulations on other employers while: 1) not paying those who bring in the customers so you can make a buck; 2) not worrying about the ADA [how many disabled strippers pay you to work for you?]; 3) not worrying about the ADEA [how many 50 year old strippers do you have?]; 4) not worrying about Workers’ Comp regulations; 5) not worrying about paying the employer’s share of Social Security taxes; 6) not worrying about paying any benefits; and, 7) sidestepping a myriad of other state and federal regulations by using the fiction of “independent contractor.”

          • Wild_Willie

            In Ohio the increased minimum wage created some fast food areas that put order kiosk’s in their front lines to eliminate jobs. Such a stupid law. ww

          • Walter_Cronanty

            A couple of years ago, my wife and I were traveling and we had a layover in either Philly or LaGuardia, I can’t remember which. We had a bite to eat in the airport in a place where the customer ordered via an IPad [securely affixed to the table] and then picked up food at counter when ready. Woe be unto those who had questions and/or special orders.

          • Paul Hooson

            Most average wage increases are only about 50 cents an hour, where a fast food restaurant that cannot afford a $2 an hour cost increase for four workers on staff duty makes you question their overall viability as a business. Compared to increases in food products through inflation or increases in utility or rent or tax increases, wage increases would tend to be one of the smaller cost increases. Property taxes alone on my nightclub were about $2000 a month, and utilities around $6000 more, so small 50cent wage increases didn’t faze me at all because we always paid above the minimum wage. With tips, bartenders averaged around $30 an hour and dancers generally a few hundred dollars a night.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            I would tip myself if I tipped when buying gas.

          • Paul Hooson

            I love to tip. It shows our appreciation for valuable workers and good service.

          • Paul Hooson

            I’m no fan of excessive government regulations or excessive taxes on businesses. Exotic dancing is mostly a younger woman’s profession because it takes so much energy and athletic skills. If a sharp looking 50 year would audition for me and can dance well, I would have said yes. She would find her own audience of followers and with a couple of stages, customers could freely go from stage to stage to follow dancers they like. No disabled dancers ever applied, but the club has ADA compliant doors, ramway, restrooms among the 7 restrooms available. Believe me, adult entertainment has always been under a greater microscope of government regulation and enforcement than any other industry. Look at cities like San Antonio where social conservatives dominate the city council where the dancers have to wear full bikini swimsuits or alcohol cannot be served or adult bookstores or video producers who have had to spend hundreds of thousands on legal bills to fight absurd and totally subjective obscenity laws in a local community. In my view any obscenity laws applied to adult entertainment are in violation of the 1st Amendment protections of the Constitution, are subjective and not objective laws, and subject to evolving standards and opinions, proving that this is a wrongful application of government regulations and law.

          • jim_m

            IDK. From the online reviews of your place it doesn’t sound like it is under that much scrutiny, nor does it sound like the Shangri la you describe.

          • Paul Hooson

            I operated it just fine, then I elected to lease portions of the club, but went through a series of bad renters who didn’t have the money I had, who didn’t pay the rent. They cost me a bundle on legal bills to evict them. My family had a lot better history of renting residential rather than commercial properties. Residential tenants were better paying the rent.

            The club went to a music concert format recently. No more nude dancers.

  • The FAIL and lack of accomplishment is strong with this Clinton…

  • Brucehenry

    Trump would be far worse and must be soundly defeated, says this Republican strategist:

    • AHH!!!

      Isn’t the author a character in star wars?

    • And if Bush had been the nominee? He’d have lost gracefully, but that’d be fine with the ‘strategists’. They’d rather lose with ‘the right kind of candidate’ than possibly win with Trump.

      He is, after all, not ‘THEIR kind’.

      • Commander_Chico

        Today watching CNN and the “political correspondent” said “Even the conservative Weekly Standard is questioning Trump’s fitness.”

        Either utter ignorance of what the Weekly Standard is, a neocon organ, or a wilful deception.

        • Embrace the healing power of ‘And’.

          With a bit of emphasis on the ‘deception’ part. Hillary’s a known quantity, I think. She’ll let things slide further in the directions they’re going.

          Trump isn’t. They really don’t want to deal with someone they don’t have a handle on.

  • Retired military

    Hillary exaggerated??

    Tell me it isnt so.

    In other news today the Sun rose in the east and water is wet.

  • Hank_M

    All of Hillary’s promises out run her “results”.

    Look at the results in Haiti after the 2010 earthquake. The Clinton Foundation made out great as did the Clintons including Roger. Haiti? The recovery remains a debacle.
    As NPR asked in an article last year…”5 Years After Haiti’s Earthquake, Where Did The $13.5 Billion Go?” Ask the Clintons as they were responsible.

    She has no idea how to create a job. She’s more out of touch that HW Bush was portrayed as being. The only things she excels at is enriching herself and lying about everything.

    What she did to the middle east and Haiti is what she’ll do to america.
    And she won’t care one bit.

    • jim_m

      Too bad the people in Benghazi were unable to outrun the results of her policies.

  • I see the comments on posts have really taken off since my departure…

    • jim_m

      They each get more than all of yours put together so you shouldn’t be criticizing Mr Hypocrite.

      And actually, the variety of commentators has dramatically increased since we no longer have moderators hassling people about their religion.

      • Right… and hey, for what it’s worth, hypocrisy is but one of many of my vices, each one indicative of my need for a Savior… thank God for His grace eh?

        • jim_m

          You should

      • Scalia

        You will recall that a lot of the comments under his posts were from people he angered for one reason or another. Several of them were filled with side arguments from two posters (different ones, depending). I don’t consider a post filled with comments by two or three participants to be something to crow about.

        • jim_m

          I’ve really liked the increased variety of posters that we’ve been getting.

          • Scalia

            Yes, and better conversations too.

    • You’ve been gone? Who knew?

  • Brucehenry

    or thormussen says:
    Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 17:15
    So trump’s now saying the election will be rigged, 60% of his voters say if he loses that’s why, and maybe Second Amendment people can stop hillary when she appoints judges.

    And the House GOP leader and the Senate GOP leader endorse him.

    Like or Dislike: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

    C. Clavin says:
    Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 17:34
    @Thor thormussen:
    Well…it’s even worse than that…here’s a guy who is getting absolutely trounced in the polls, with only the narrowest of routes to getting the required 270 electoral college votes, and is almost guaranteed to lose at this point. If the election were held today Clinton stands a 95% chance of winning it. So given that…he turns around and says if he loses it can only be because the voting is rigged, that the election will be illegitimate, and then starts calling for second amendment remedies.
    This is the height of irresponsibility. It is beyond my comprehension how this can be allowed to stand.

    Like or Dislike: Thumb up

    Two commenters at OTB talking about Trump’s latest outrage — calling for, or har har “joking about,” armed insurrection or maybe political assassination in case he loses this here “rigged” election coming up.

    • Off topic. Dhimmocratic apologia.

      • Brucehenry


        It’s “off topic,” on a thread about Clinton allegedly promising more jobs than she delivered, to remind people that the alternative, her opponent, is a dangerous lunatic who is fomenting insurrection and/or assassination.

        • It would be “on topic” in one of the pro-Trump articles here on Wizbang…

          • Brucehenry

            You don’t have “pro-Trump” articles here, only anti-Clinton articles. Which amounts to the same thing if criticism of her opponent is deemed “off topic.”

          • You’re not as stupid as the bulk of your comments suggest…

          • Scalia

            Yes, your comments have been off-topic. I’ve let it slide for a bit, but please get on track.

          • Brucehenry

            Oh yeah sure but the minimum wage and Hooson’s strip club are ON topic, OK. Oh and Rick and Jim being bitchy to each other, very relevant to Hillary’s alleged failure to deliver.


          • Scalia

            Like I said, I let off-topic conversations go on for a while, including yours, but you want to hijack the thread with attacks on Trump. Enough.

          • Brucehenry

            You’re the moderator. Whatever you say.

          • Commander_Chico

            Well, in this thread we’re talked about the Haiti earthquake, Benghazi, strip clubs and tipping, so it’s clear that a fair standard is being enforced.

            Keeping “on topic” is so important in little blog comment sections.

          • Scalia

            Chico, do I need to repeat myself? Apparently so—just once for you. I allow off-topic comments so long as they don’t hijack a thread. Most of the tangential stuff sprang in some measure from either the topic or a discussion of Hillary’s hike in the minimum wage which of course affects jobs to one degree or another (and is thus related to the topic).

            What Bruce did was attempt to veer the conversation completely away from the topic. I allowed it for a few posts, but when Rodney informed him that he was off-topic, I agreed.

            Now, if you have an on-topic comment, feel free to offer one.

          • We’ll gladly start enforcing more consistently, starting with you…

          • jim_m

            You apparently have nothing good to say about Clinton, so you are no different than the people you complain about.

          • Scalia

            It would also be appropriate in some of the anti-Trump posts that David uploads on occasion.

  • Retired military

    Hillary’s entire life summed up in one picture