Lies and Politicians

Do American voters assume that lies are par for the course for politicians? Would such an assumption explain why Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have gotten as far as they have politically?

In his 08/10/16 column, John Stossel spells out how the two presidential candidates lie:

“I don’t want Hillary Clinton to be president. She’s a liar. But I can’t vote for Donald Trump. He lies almost as often. Trump denies he ever said things, claiming he never used terms like “fat pig” to describe women, that he never was open to using nuclear weapons against ISIS, that he never mocked Jon Stewart for changing his name. Smears big and small — Trump just denies he said them. . . Clinton lies even more than Trump. She lies about her emails, running from sniper fire, making $100,000 from a $1,000 investment in cattle futures, etc. This column doesn’t have room for all her lies.”

Sure, it is common for a political candidate to accuse a rival of dishonesty, but the false claims Trump and Clinton have been thoroughly exposed by American journalists. Yet, the two candidates keep on going like Energizer bunnies.

What enables them to get away with the falsehoods? Could it be the willful blindness of their supporters?

For example, The Hill quotes Ann Coulter as saying, “Trump has made some mistakes during this campaign, but he hasn’t done anything wrong for months now.”

Trump hasn’t done anything wrong for months now? What alternate reality is Coulter living in? Trump has put his foot in his mouth so often that he now has athlete’s tongue. Coulter proves that denial isn’t just a river in Egypt.

In Clinton’s case, her supporters may be admitting in private that she lies, but they may be tolerating her fibs in order to prevent Trump from winning in November. It is as if Clinton’s supporters are saying, “Sure, Clinton lies like the devil, but Trump is the devil.”

Does the disapproval of a politician’s rival justify the fibs of that politician?

What excuse do politicians have for fibbing? Do politicians deliberately tell falsehoods out of pure selfishness on their part, or do they do so because they think that voters can’t handle the truth?

Whatever the case may be, politicians don’t get away with fibs without help from enablers. Perhaps the latter are the real political villains.

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  • Scalia

    I know Hillary Clinton is a liar. I know Donald Trump is a liar. I know Ann Coulter is living rent-free in David Robertson’s head.

  • Retired military

    “What excuse do politicians have for fibbing? ”
    Well for Hillary it is to enrich her and she knows that the MSM will let you get away with it. Obama does it because he knows he will never get called on it and if he does then cries of Racism will be heard throughout the land.

  • pennywit

    What enables them to get away with the falsehoods? Could it be the willful blindness of their supporters?

    1) Willful blindness
    2) A conviction the other side is worse
    3) A belief that the media and the other side are out to get your politician

    • Retired military

      If you don’t believe that the MSM is in the tank for Hillary I don’t know what to tell you. The bias is blatant and so obvious this election that Ray Charles could see it.

      • pennywit

        If you pop into a lefty site or two, you’ll find a number of them believe the media are out to get Hillary. For example:

        http://www.politicususa.com/2016/06/18/chart-exposes-media-bashes-hillary-clinton-promoting-donald-trump.html

        I’m not going to debate this particular point with you, but I have noticed some, shall we say, negligent headline-writing related to Donald Trump lately.

        • Retired military

          Please. Pop into lefty sites and they will claim that george bush was responsible for Aliens wiping us out in an intergalactic war due to global warming.

          As to your reason for not debating I have a feeling it is because the evidence is overwhelming against you moreso than your willingness to debate the merits of your argument

          As to your argument. It plays the gender bias card. You know like Obama played the race card. I mean I bet if you were antiabortion, pro 2nd admendment, pro voter ID prior to Obama being elected you werent called racist but after he was elected you damn sure were.
          If people vote for Hillary because she has a vagina they may as well eat a pile of shit because it looks like a tootsie roll.

          • Well snarked!

          • Retired military

            What well snarked? Whereas I couldnt find the specific column that I saw linking Bush to the global warming induced invasion by ET I offer the following:

            From Paul Krugman
            It may not rank as the most compelling reason to curb greenhouse gases, but reducing our emissions might just save humanity from a pre-emptive alien attack, scientists claim…

            The authors warn that extraterrestrials may be wary of civilisations that expand very rapidly, as these may be prone to destroy other life as they grow, just as humans have pushed species to extinction on Earth. In the most extreme scenario, aliens might choose to destroy humanity to protect other civilisations.

            “A preemptive strike would be particularly likely in the early phases of our expansion because a civilisation may become increasingly difficult to destroy as it continues to expand. Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilisational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of the Earth’s atmosphere, via greenhouse gas emissions,” the report states.

            “Green” aliens might object to the environmental damage humans have caused on Earth and wipe us out to save the planet. “These scenarios give us reason to limit our growth and reduce our impact on global ecosystems. It would be particularly important for us to limit our emissions of greenhouse gases, since atmospheric composition can be observed from other planets,” the authors write.

            http://www.ecoenquirer.com/global-warming-asteroid.htm
            University of Michigan scientists have claimed that global warming causes an increased risk of asteroids striking the Earth, due to expansion of the atmosphere outward into space making the Earth a bigger “target”.

            http://inhabitat.com/nasa-researchers-say-climate-change-on-earth-could-provoke-an-alien-invasion/
            NASA Researchers Say Climate Change on Earth Could Provoke an Alien Invasion

            https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/aug/18/aliens-destroy-humanity-protect-civilisations
            Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilisations, say scientists

            http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?id=4646&method=full

            The Day After Tomorrow,” a $125 million disaster film set to open on May 28, global warming from accumulating smokestack and tailpipe gases disrupts warm ocean currents and sets off an instant ice age.

            Few climate experts think such a prospect is likely, especially in the near future. But the prospect that moviegoers will be alarmed enough to blame the Bush administration for inattention to climate change has stirred alarm at the space agency, scientists there say

            You cant make this shit up.

          • Learn to take well snarked as the compliment it is.

          • Retired military

            I did. LOL. I was just saying the truth is stranger than fiction.

    • Retired military

      This picture pretty much sums up this election.

    • 4) Malfeasance by the Press.

  • “King Willy” Brown of San Francisco is an “honest” politician. He’s not cheap, but once bought, he stays bought.

    That is as close to honest as most politicians ever get.