Blaming Russia for Trump’s Victory

Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale finally scored a victory for their side. They and their Fearless Leader are being accused of helping Donald Trump to win the 2016 presidential election.

For the sake of argument, suppose that Russian hackers did acquire information about Hillary Clinton through illegal means. Suppose that the Russians then publicized that information through another party.

How could the publication of data about Clinton harm Clinton if the the data didn’t show Clinton doing something wrong?

If the data did show that Clinton did something wrong, then who’s fault is that? Did the Russians make Clinton do wrong stuff?

Sure, I am in favor of federal officials investigating cyber-crime committed by foreign agents.

Yet, this fussing about alleged Russian hackers is akin to fussing about who took the photo of Clinton with her hand in the cookie jar.

What exactly did alleged Russian hackers expose that helped Trump?

Hackers couldn’t expose Clinton’s misdeeds if there were no misdeeds to begin with. There would be no photo of Clinton with her hand in the cookie jar if Clinton hadn’t stuck her hand in the cookie jar.

This situation is like a scene in the movie Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone. In that scene, Harry, Hermione, Ron and Draco are given detention because the four of them were outside of the castle when they were not allowed to.

It is Draco who exposes the rule-breaking of the other three, but in doing so, he exposes his own rule-breaking.

Yes, Draco is an antagonist, but the other three still broke the rules. Draco’s misdeed was not an excuse to let the other three off the hook for their misdeed.

Considering how crazy this election year has been, anything could still happen between now and the time that the Electoral College meets to formally elect the next POTUS. However, all hell would break loose if Electors used alleged Russian hacking as an excuse to throw the election to Clinton.

If Trump’s election still stands after the Electoral College adjourns, then perhaps Clinton can hire Rocky and Bullwinkle to go after Boris and Natasha. Clinton could even offer a monetary reward for the latter’s capture.

As for Trump remaining the President-Elect . . . well, that’s how the cookie crumbles.

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  • Hank_M

    I thought it was white supremacists or James Comey or fake news that was responsible for Hillary losing. I do wish they’d settle on a narrative and be done with it – the narrative being that Hillary was and is a lousy politician and ran an even lousier campaign.

    As to the Russians, why do that after the “reset” button was played a few years ago.
    Why we’ve had great relations with them ever since.

    Wouldn’t it be easier to simply bribe her though the Clinton Foundation, her preferred method of “doing business”?

    Instead we get the media going all in on this. It’s almost as if they decided a couple of weeks ago to flag false news as an issue and then beat us over the head with the mother of all false news stories – this one. Can the media really be this dumb? Seeing as how the NY Times just hired Glen “I’m a hack” Thrush, I guess we know that answer.

    Still, give em credit. I didn’t think they could go any lower than they did during the election.
    They have.

  • yetanotherjohn

    My favorite summary was the Russians hacked Hillary’s server, put her emails on Huma’s computer and pinned it on Anthony Weiner.

    The problem for the dems is that the number of reasons they lost are legion. They were to conservative which turned off just enough people in swing states that they lost. They were to liberal which turned off just enough people in swing states that they lost. They were to focused on “white” issues which turned off just enough people in swing states that they lost. They were to focused on “minority” issues which turned off just enough people in swing states that they lost. All four are true as is DNC emails, Clinton server, etc.

    Focusing on real issues, like maybe endlessly calling people stupid and racist is’t the best way to win their votes, means facing reality. Focusing on fake issues, like a rooski under every bed is more comforting. It can be that they really aren’t as clever and wonderful as they believe, it must be something else.

    Likewise, focusing on Clinton breaking the law with her server, journalist colluding with the DNC to help the Clinton campaign, dem insiders trying to torpedo Sanders campaigns, dem operatives fomenting violence against Trump supporters, 8 years of dragging economy because of increasing regulation, some of the highest corporate and personal taxes in the world, etc would require that the left acknowledge that they screwed up individually, as a party and when they had the chance as the government. Much easier to blame the Russian bogey man than themselves.

  • Wild_Willie

    Dems/Snake. A snake will always be a snake. No matter what they say. ww

  • Steven Modica

    The Dems aren’t upset about the Russians hacking. They are upset that they were exposed. Romney warned of this in 2012 and he was mocked.

  • This was not the Russians; this was our Inteligence Community pissing back on the Clinton’s and 0bama

  • Walter_Cronanty

    The left is simply bat-shit crazy. Here I am, the guy who told Chico that Trump was a cross between Foghorn Leghorn and Mussolini, becoming more and more enamored of the man because of the reaction to his election by the left.

    From riots to blaming the basket of deplorables who voted for Trump, to futile recounts, to the Russians, the left, with the MSM at its vanguard, has marched lockstep into crazy-land. I’ve never seen anything quite like it.
    I think Keith Olbermann’s video is the illogical conclusion to the left’s post-election hysteria.
    https://pjmedia.com/video/keith-olbermann-is-more-insane-than-ever/

    • He’s like a fungus that way…

    • Scalia

      Someone said it well:

      The only “election tampering” I know of due to ACTUAL evidence is tampering by CNN, ABC, MSNBC, Huffington Compost, and other MSM by fake news, fake polls, leaked debate questions to HIllary and also DNC election tampering by planting liberals at Trump rallies to incite violence and assault people.

      There is more evidence for “election tampering” among American liberals than there is from Russia.

      • pennywit

        OFF TOPIC: Congrats. Looks like your team has the NFC North mostly sewn up, along with a playoff berth. I’ll be over here, a half-game behind Tampa …

  • Paul Hooson

    It’s a serious matter when a political and military rival of the United States interferes with our elections in any way, but under Putin, Russia has interfered in a number of nations to undermine faith in democratic elections while involved in the pursuit of first strike nuclear war strategy based on development of new generations of weapons to strike down our military. The Russian military has had a total of 25 different anti-ship missiles in it’s inventory including nuclear warhead tipped cruise missiles. The country is also moving towards eventual development of unmanned drone warfare tanks and other mechanized weapons.

    Russia has also developed a nuclear tsunami bomb capable of destroying both American coastlines with 1600 ft. waves. Another weapon operated by only three Russian soldiers can track and attack 300 military targets at a time. Other weapons are designed to destroy America radar and other new military hardware are designed to give the American military no answer to counter or blunt.

    While pro-democracy elements have overthrown dictators in Libya and Egypt, Russia has helped the Syrian Assad family regime stay in power by bombing pro-democracy rebels, creating a massive refugee crisis for Europe. Hospitals, schools and civilian homes have been bombed to prevent rebels from establishing democratic elections in Syria.

    It seems to be a retro-Neville Chamberlain instinct on behalf of new incoming administration if they intend to look the other way while Putin uses the Russian military to brutally prop-up dictators like Assad, interfere in Western nation elections, or make moves to reconfigure the old Soviet empire by undermining governments like in the Ukraine or other areas.

    • Except it didn’t happen.

      • Paul Hooson

        Russian involvement in France, Greece and Italy has been documented by international intelligence agencies. Russia stands to gain a great deal to weaken alliances and treaties the United States has with it’s allies around the world. Without any partisanship, Congress needs answers as to any extent of Russian espionage of any type here. Our national security is at stake here.

        • Never said Russia is not a bad actor on the world stage. It appears the consensus of the Intelligence Community runs counter to Clinton’s friends at CIA.

          Feel free to show evidence.

          • Paul Hooson

            I understand what you’re saying here. Congress needs to only consider whether there is any form of Russian espionage meant to interfere or undermine our nation, and not whether Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump gained or lost anything, because the election is a settled manner, but espionage is an ongoing threat to our national security. We all want our families to be safe from foreign threats. Getting answers should be a nonpartisan American concern here.

          • jim_m

            Imbecile. Russia has been trying to undermine our government and our democracy for a hundred years. Of course they have been trying to do it the past year. Are you that fucking ignorant that you think they gave up on that?

            The question is not whether they are trying to disrupt our democratic institutions. Of course they are. The question is whether or not they are succeeding. Maybe they are. But that does not mean that their actions were in any way decisive.

            In fact, if there were a reason for them to have been a decisive influence it is because of neglect on the part of the demoicrats, so all the more reason we should be happy that they lost.

    • Hank_M

      “The Russian military has had a total of 25 different anti-ship missiles…”
      “Russia has also developed a nuclear tsunami bomb…”
      “Other weapons are designed to destroy American radar…..

      Big deal. We ended the ban on transgendered people serving in the military.

      • Walter_Cronanty

        Yes, how could Russia possibly counter our transgendered troops? We obviously, are on the “right side of history.” Who could ask for more?

      • Paul Hooson

        Transgender people don’t present the threat to win a first strike nuclear war against the United States and leave our great nation in complete ruin as a burning destroyed pile of rubble, killing all our family members. You should recognize what is a threat to our nation here.

        • Walter_Cronanty

          Wow – RM’s comment flew right over your head.

          • Paul Hooson

            Look, it has been obvious that the Obama Administration has not actively supported weapons systems that I would have favored to counter new generations of Russian or Chinese weapons, instead characterized by some social policies by Hank’s reasoning. However, the administration did view lower tech warfare such as battling ISIS as important where drone warfare and other combat garnered most attention. The administration put it’s attention on the war we were actually fighting, somewhat ignoring the war we hoped to avoid with other potential military rivals. There’s only so much money in the military budget and people have to decide how much more taxes should be spent here rather than there.

          • Low hurdle, that…

        • Ha,ha!

        • Scalia

          Do you even try to understand the posts you reply to? Given your posts, apparently not.

    • Walter_Cronanty

      “While pro-democracy elements have overthrown dictators in Libya and Egypt…” Are those “pro-democracy elements” the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the Muslim terrorists who now control much of Libya? And what “pro-democracy rebels” are in Syria? And where, exactly, were these “democratic elections” going to held in Syria before Assad bombed them? Would they have elected ISIS? Please — give a source for your answers.

      • Paul Hooson

        Egypt’s government is comprised of democratically elected members of 19 political parties as well as many independents. The largest political party is characterized as being comprised of liberal secularists, not Islamists. The largest Islamist bloc is only the seventh largest party in votes, holding a minor 11 seats in the government out of hundreds of seats. The country maintains good relations and trade with Israel and the United States. – The Assad regime as well as Russia and Iran came in to keep Assad and his Hezbollah allies in power, preventing any pro-democracy elements to establish a democratic government in Syria. Assad and Hezbollah are continued bad news for Israel, and Iran is continued bad news for Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and those other friends of the U.S.

        • Retired military

          “Iran uses Hezbollah as proxy fighters to destroy the tiny Jewish state.”
          a. It will take more than small rockets to do this.
          b. Any “serious” attacks against Israel will be met with nukes.

  • pennywit

    I don’t blame the Russians for Clinton’s electoral defeat; I blame Trump for that. However, if the intelligence community has evidence that Russia tried to influence the election at all, I’d like to see that information released, publicized, and (most importantly) shared with allies.

    • Walter_Cronanty

      I would include the information about the hacking of the White House, the Executive Office of the President and the State Department back in September/October 2014, and why we did nothing about it.

      • pennywit

        And the hacking of the Cleveland Browns playbook ….

        • Scalia

          At this point, I don’t think anybody needs to hack their playbook. They’re just awful.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Yeah, but we’re gonna get the first pick of the draft. Thus, we can continue our hot streak of stellar first-round picks like: 2012 – Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden [oh, the humanity]; 2013 – Barkevious Mingo [who? I think he plays for the Pats now]; 2014 – Justine Gilbert and [hot damn!] Johnny Manziel [the absolute worst two first round picks by one team in NFL history]; 2015 – Danny Shelton [mediocre, but that’s good for us] and Cameron Erving [somewhat early, but trending to complete bust]; and, 2016 – Corey Coleman [injured for about 8-9 games, plus no QB on his feet long enough to throw it to him].
            So, we have that heartbreak to see us through the off-season. We make up for our incompetence on the field with our gross incompetence in the front office.
            Go Cavs.

          • pennywit

            You want bad draft picks? Heath Shuler and Robert Griffin III.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Uh, RGIII is starting for us – nuff said. Although with our offensive line, you might want to forward Heath Shuler’s telephone number to the Brown’s front office.

        • Walter_Cronanty

          What’s this “playbook” you’re talking about?

    • You should blame Hillary!!!!

      • pennywit

        Nope. I blame Trump. That bastard ran a better campaign than Hillary did.

        • She got the opponent she wanted and ran her campaign in her style. She built that!

  • Vagabond661

    So if we don’t know what information the Russians hacked, how did that influence our vote?

    This is more stupid than blaming a video to change the outcome of an upcoming election.

  • Retired military

    Fake news was one of the real problems. Brian Williams said so. I am serious. Brian Williams compained about the fake news this election cycle.

    • Among Progtards “Fake News” should be understood to mean “news not supporting their preferred narrative.”

      For everyone else “Fake News” is that which is demonstrably false.

  • Doc Musgrove

    WTF? The “leaks”, regardless of who did them, were actually the release of emails and correspondence originating from the DNC, Hilary, Podesta whoever. The bottom line is WHOEVER did this, simply exposed the truth to the public. Unfortunately for the democrats, it exposed duplicity, attempts to deceive the American public, outright lies, and obvious attempts to manipulate the election process. Seriously, people are upset with the TRUTH?

    Regarding the origin of the “hackers”, (if indeed it was and not inside leaks), if it was a foreign government shame on us, where is the emphasis on cyber security? Apparently there is no evidence, only speculation on the part of some, the Russians were involved and even that is disputed between US government agencies. To assert the Russians were involved without hard proof is irresponsible and internationally inflammatory.

    I have heard no outcry about Hilary’s private server, the hacking of it, (once hacked it would open pathways to ALL of the sources from which the “leaks” originated). Wouldn’t it be poetic justice if Hilary’s blatant violations of US Security laws was the cause of her defeat in the Presidential election?

  • Retired military

    Wait wait. RACISM was the reason Hillary lost.

    http://time.com/4597969/election-racism-obama/

    The left is really really really really reaching.

    No wait.

    Now it was antiHIllary faction within the FBI

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bigger-than-watergate-concerns-grow-that-anti-clinton_us_5850bb12e4b0b662c2fddebc

  • pennywit

    Same song different year. That’s two decades of Skins fandom.

    I don’t think either of our teams will make it to the big game, though. The Dallas Cowboys stand athwart the playoffs, yelling “Stop!” and Dak Prescott is having a phenomenal first year.

    The Skins are just your basic mediocre team. We win a few, we lose a few, and sometimes we hit a hot streak.

    • Walter_Cronanty

      Ahhh, “your basic mediocre team.” Sounds like heaven.

  • LiberalNightmare

    The fact that hillary won the popular vote proves the russians were hacking the election. There is no way that many people were stupid enough to vote for her without some major psyops involved … or hostage taking.