Donald Trump is his own worst enemy.

Donald Trump is his own worst enemy. That is the gist of the criticism of Trump coming from people who are glad that Trump became the 45th POTUS instead of Hillary Clinton but who are also dismayed by Trump’s behavior.

In particular, it is his mouth – either by speech or via tweets – that gets him into trouble.

Town Hall political editor Guy Benson writes, “As far as impeachment and obstruction are concerned at this point, Trump has the facts on his side, even if he looks like an ignorant, meddling boor. He should pound those facts, not delve into non-credible bravado. But he can’t help himself.”

The Hill quotes Senator Lindsey Graham as saying to President Trump, “You may be the first president in history to go down because you can’t stop inappropriately talking about an investigation that if you just were quiet, would clear you.”

From CBS News, 06/11/17:

Senate Intelligence Committee member James Lankford called President Trump’s conversation with fired FBI Director James Comey about the investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn “very inappropriate,” but said that the president took a “light touch” approach that doesn’t reach obstruction of justice.

“I would say it’s very inappropriate,” said Sen. Lankford, R-Oklahoma, in an interview with CBS News’ “Face the Nation.” “As Jim Comey said it’s awkward, to be able to have the president of the United States sitting down with someone in the FBI, the leadership of the FBI, to be able to have direct questions and for the issue to come up about the Michael Flynn investigation. It’s inappropriate.”

Chicago Tribune columnist Steve Chapman writes, “The White House can dispute what the president said in one-on-one conversations with Comey, though Trump’s long habit of pathological lying does not give him an advantage in the credibility contest.”

Then there is this from National Review columnist Kevin D. Williamson:

“What sort of man is the president of these United States? We know he is a habitual liar, one who tells obvious lies for no apparent reason, from claiming to own hotels that he does not own to boasting about having a romantic relationship with Carla Bruni, which never happened. (“Trump is obviously a lunatic,” Bruni explained.) He invented a series of imaginary friends to lie to the New York press about both his business and sexual careers. He has conducted both his private and public lives with consistent dishonesty and dishonor. He is not a man who can be taken at his word.”

President Trump’s ham-handed approach to his job is troublesome for the GOP to say the least, but, according to Senator Marco Rubio, it should have been expected by those who voted for Trump.

From CBS News, 05/21/17:

“Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, said Sunday that “people got what they voted for” with the Trump presidency.

“I don’t understand why people are that shocked,” Rubio said on CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” following a tumultuous period for the Trump White House. “This president ran a very unconventional campaign. I was there for a big part of it at the beginning alongside being one of his competitors. And that’s what the American people voted for. And in essence, you know, this White House is not much different from the campaign.”

Rubio’s comments come after two weeks of White House blunders for the Trump administration, leaving many in Congress questioning the future of the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.”

In short, the Trump who now occupies the Oval Office is the same Trump that people saw on the campaign trail in 2016.

Trump won in part because voters hoped that Trump’s presidency wouldn’t be like his campaign. Those who voted for him weren’t certain what they would be getting from a “President Trump”. They only knew that Hillary Clinton was too dishonest to be trusted in the position of POTUS.

Being that he is only five months into his current job, President Trump has time to learn from his mistakes and to correct course.

If he fails to do so, then come Year 2020, voters might decide that they have had enough of him. All that it would take for voters to say to Trump “You’re fired!” would be for the Democratic Party to have a 2020 presidential nominee who isn’t Hillary Clinton.

Personally, I hope that President Trump will learn from his mistakes and correct course, but I won’t hold my breath while waiting for him to do so.

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  • Sky__Captain

    Scanning David’s sources, I only have a tip for Mr Robertson – stop reading the Democrat and Never-Trump media sources.

  • jim_m

    So David’s point is that we should take the perjured testimony of the disgraced former FBI director at face value even though it conflicts with previous sworn testimony.

    Go sober up David.

  • Brucehenry
    • jim_m

      You leave out the obvious possibility that both have lied.

      Comey has already lied under oath. Trump has definitely made misstatements if not told deliberate untruths, but Comey has clearly lied under oath and therefore has a leg up on him.

      • WHO’S THE BUSTER

        What did Comey lie about?

        • jim_m

          He said that he didn’t know of any leakers, yet he confessed to being one.

          He said that he had never been asked to suppress an investigation and then stated quite clearly that Loretta Lynch had done exactly that AND that he had acquiesced to her requests.

          He said that he had memos of all his conversations with Trump and now claims that he cannot find them.

          • Brett Buck

            And it wasn’t just a lie or evasion – it was a considered and conniving political ploy with a stated goal of baiting the congress into a special prosecutor/witch hunt/fishing expedition – which succeeded. When in reality he himself had absolutely no evidence of any crime at all, much less one that involved Trump, and told him so repeatedly and also testified to that fact hours from admitting to the leak.

            These are not the actions of a decent and rational legal mind, but those of a political hack out to get revenge on someone who had every right and very good reasons to fire him, and did. Any claims of serving the cause of justice or liberty flew right out the window when he decided to try to manipulate the system. Complete scum, good riddance.

        • Jwb10001

          He said he only felt the need to make notes and memos to file on Trump, but not other presidents he’s served. But he did that with Bush(oddly also a repub). And perhaps it’s better to suggest he has served dishonestly rather than saying he lies.

        • Retired military

          See my post to Bruce about 3 above your question.

    • Sky__Captain

      Ah, the thoroughly debunked “birtherism”.
      Started by Barack 0bama’s literary agent ~1991, possibly with information supplied by the author himself. Resurrected by the HildaBeast in 2008.

      And you left out that Comey followed AG Lynch’s instructions to let the HildaBeast off the hook, thereby committing obstruction of justice.

    • Paul Hooson

      Mr. Trump just walks into problems like a comedy about someone walking into buckets of paint. Common sense should tell him not to behave or talk so foolishly to a top police agent like the FBI Director before he was discharged from his post.

      • Retired military

        Even if true he still isnt Hillary.

    • Retired military

      Bruce
      Please explain the following and how it could be the truth.

      Comey said under oath that the following took place i
      a. he woke up after Trump Tweeted “Comey better not hope there are tapes”
      B. Comey stated that he then sent his memo to hs friend to leak to the press to try to get a special counsel named.
      c. The NY Times then printed a story about the memos.

      D. The only thing is that Trump tweeted out the tweet about tapes the DAY AFTER the NY TIMEs printed the memo story.

      So how could A, B, and C NOT BE PERJURY in light of D.

      • Brucehenry

        As to your first point, I suggest you may have the timeline mixed up. I’m pretty sure Talk Radio would have noticed that discrepancy and you wouldn’t have been the first one.

        You and Jim have both claimed that Comey says he “can’t find” these memos. I haven’t heard that anywhere else. I’d like to see a tape of Comey saying that he can’t find a memo. ( I tried googling “Did Comey say he can’t find memos?” and get nada.)

        Trump won’t resign, I’ll bet, and Pence, as far as I know, has done nothing illegal.

        • Retired military

          Bruce
          Trump’s lawyer made this point right after Comey testified.

          The House has demaned Comey’s memos. Where are they?

          • Brucehenry

            Trump’s lawyer is an idiot and has the timeline wrong — he has been corrected by the author of the NYT story.

            I don’t know where in time and space Comey’s memos are but I haven’t heard him say he doesn’t know.

            And this investigation is not solely about Trump. Start with Flynn, Manafort, Page and Kushner. Maybe Trump is pure as the driven snow. The investigation is not a “Get Trump!” mission, it’s to find out to what extent Russians improperly influenced the election and to find out if anyone on Trump’s team knew about it or helped them or facilitated it.

          • No potential for a conflict of interest there…

          • Retired military

            I disagree.

            (I see your NY Times reporter and give you Fox news 🙂 )

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/09/comey-fallout-similarities-in-times-article-testimony-could-bolster-trump-claims.html

            “The investigation is not a “Get Trump!” mission, it’s to find out to what extent Russians improperly influenced the election and to find out if anyone on Trump’s team knew about it or helped them or facilitated it


            Yet Comey stated that Trump wanted to know if anyone from his campaign had dealings with the Russians. Also Mueller is now investigating obstruction of Justice plus the Russians. Maybe he should be investigating Lynch as well. At least let’s hope he does.

  • Vagabond661

    Trump should ignore this and continue on. Trump defends himself if attacked. I like that. No. I FREAKING LOVE THAT!

    Keep it up, Mr. President. Forget about the nattering nabobs of negativism, including David.

  • WHO’S THE BUSTER

    I am constantly amazed at the vigorous defense of Trump on this site. Few of you supported him in the primaries, but now defend him despite his behavior, which can only be described as, well, odd, to say the least.

    What has he done that has elicited this enthusiastic support?

    I think the survey that attempted to ascertain why a significant number of people support Trump, no matter what he does, offered a specific reason for this support. Was it policy, behavior or his impressive knowledge of the facts (LOL)? Nope. It was for no other reason than he simply made liberals angry, and oddly, that was enough. Very strange.

    • Scalia

      If you’re really “amazed,” then you’re once again demonstrating that you cannot comprehend what you’re reading. You don’t even try to understand where we’re coming from. You’ve already convinced yourself that you stand for all that is true, and we’re just a bunch of knuckle-dragging Neanderthals. Since we’re so stupid, it’s a waste of your time to understand our arguments.

      Given that, why in the world should we give a rat’s posterior (that’s the closest I’ll get to cussing) what you think? Whenever you’re hit with arguments you can’t handle, you slither off into the ether only to return to post more of your ignorant potshots.

      If you had been paying attention, you would know the answer, and it would make perfect sense why we defend Trump.

      Get rid of your snotty self-righteousness.

    • Brett Buck

      It’s not anything he has done, not done, or any promised changes. It’s the fact that since the moment he announced his candidacy, people like you, and your masters in the media, have engaged in one insane and inane attack after another. You didn’t wait to see what actually happens, you and millions like you went after him like he was Jeffery Dahmer.

      Maybe you have forgotten, but this litany of conspiracies and “crimes” is utter and complete bullshit, and most of you know it. You sit around fantasizing about impeaching him – for what? Daring to represent a huge fraction of the country, and rejecting the ridiculous leftist vision that has been killing us for 50 years, more or less?
      It’s a complete and utter delusion, fueled by your contempt for roughly half the US voting public. You don’t wait to see, you don’t give him a chance, you immediately and blindly attack, continuously.

      Despite all the supposed superior intellect on “your” side, you act like a violent and unthinking mob, never stopping to consider your own failings or limitations, or for an instant considering you may be wrong. Blind rage, and a temper tantrum that would embarrass a 3-year-old.

      We don’t like him because he makes you mad, you idiot. We defend him because he’s under attack, undeservedly, from a bunch of worthless condescnding,and effete, jackasses who don’t have the guts to actually try to accomplish anything but are all too willing to stand on the sidelines and throw stones.

      • Brucehenry

        Sorry Brett but none of that is true. What IS true is that Trump has your support because he pisses off liberals. And because of the gerrymandering that has taken place since 2010 in GOP states, you guys in the 27%, who have intimidated or run off Republican moderates, control Congress. There will be no impeachment.

        We live in a bizarro universe, as Tom Tomorrow illustrates in this cartoon:

        https://images.dailykos.com/images/411556/story_image/TMW2017-06-14color.png?1497118377

        • Retired military

          Trump pisses off liberals.

          Please explain the gerrymandering as it only matters within the state (if true ) and not when the whole state votes one way or another.

          “There will be no impeachment.”

          Funny we heard that for 8 years under Obama thanks to the RINOs in Congress.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            Have you looked at what is currently transpiring in North Carolina?

          • Retired military

            No what is happening in NC?

            I saw the libs lose over 1000 seats in the pas 8 years thanks to Obama.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            Simply look up court decisions about illegal manipulation of voting districts. Turns out you cannot redraw districts based on nothing but race. Who knew? Also take a look at actions taken to limit the powers of the Governor now that a Democrat has been elected, in addition to introducing legislation that would disband the state election board, now that they are no longer in control of that agency. Talk about sore losers.

            Of course, I am pretty sure you already knew about these transgressions.

          • Scalia

            But you couldn’t care less about any of that because you’re strangely silent when your side engages in it on a national scale. When pressed, you mutter a grudging acknowledgement, but that’s it. Consequently, we couldn’t care less what you think about NC.

            There’s also something else you couldn’t care less about: The shooting in DC. You want to harp about NC, but you don’t have one word of sympathy for a congressman in critical condition.

          • Were you to look a little deeper you’d find that the “racial grounds” were in direct conflict with earlier precedent and instruction from the Supreme Court.

          • At least two of them were in no way RINO’s.

        • jim_m

          Sorry Brett but none of that is true.

          So you are now claiming that every media account has been 100% accurate? dumbass. Even CNN has retracted some of their stories.

          The fact that you would even write such a sentence is proof enough of your complete delusion. You are so disconnected from reality that you are incapable of admitting that the whole Russia collusion thing has been fabricated out of whole cloth and that there is no evidence of it. You can’t admit that even after Comey’s admissions.

          You are a pathetic little man.

          • Vagabond661

            He usually has to retract or ignore his statements. You know, like CNN.

            #fakeblogger

          • Brucehenry

            Brett’s comment, which I was replying to, wasn’t about media reports or whether or not this or that report was accurate. It was about what motivates “people like you” meaning David and other moderates (and presumably liberals too because anyone who is to the left of Genghis Khan is a “liberal” to guys like Brett). And it was also about what supposedly DOESN’T motivate guys like Brett, and you, and Rodney, and Vagabond, etc — pissing off liberals. I contend that that is the ONLY thing that matters to you guys. I often said Obama should have come out in favor of oxygen, you guys would have held your breath until you all died.

            What I meant — and sorry if I wasn’t clear — when I said “none of that is true” is Brett’s opinion of what motivates moderates and liberals, who he has an obvious, visceral hatred for.

            As for whether or not the whole Russia collusion thing was “fabricated,” I reckon I’ll wait to see what Mueller reports, since he was appointed by Rosenstein, a career public servant, Trump appointee confirmed 94-6, and seems to think it’s worth spending his time on.

          • Retired military

            Bruce

            “Rosenstein, a career public servant,

            Sessions is a career public servant. DId you see the dems try to flail him today?

          • Brucehenry

            Sessions is a career politician. Rosenstein is a career bureaucrat. There’s a difference. The worst “flailing” I saw given to Session was from Angus King, an Independent who caucuses with Dems.

          • Retired military

            Bruce
            At that level I think of career politican and career beaurocrat as the same thing.

          • Brucehenry

            In 2010 the GOP spent millions to win bare majorities in state legislatures. When, after the census, new Congressional districts were being drawn, the new GOP majorities in those legislatures gerrymandered them so that it will be extremely difficult if not impossible for Dems to win any of those seats ever again. That means the GOP will hold Congress for the foreseeable future regardless of what voters want.

            Already, in 2014 and 2016, if I’m not mistaken, the total aggregate number of votes cast for Democratic candidates for Congress was greater that the total aggregate number cast for Republicans, yet Republicans hold a large majority of the seats.

            This is all explained in condensed form here:

            http://www.alternet.org/books/ratfcked-how-chris-jankowski-turned-electoral-map-bright-red-until-2020

          • Scalia
          • Brucehenry

            Certainly there are counter-arguments to my “gerrymandering is to blame” argument and perhaps I stated the case too strongly. Gerrymandering IS a big factor and the 2010 “ratf**king” operation did happen and was a targeted, conscious effort to establish a permanent GOP House majority. We can quibble about how impactful it was but its authors are celebrated as political geniuses in GOP wonk circles.

          • Team jackass got outflanked. How sad.

          • Retired military

            VS the “gerrymandering” that the DNC did to get Hillary as the nominee.

          • And? The GOP placed their emphasis on State and local. The former President focused his party on burnishing his image.

          • Retired military

            I misunderstand your original comment to mean that gerrymandering helped Trump to get elected.
            As to general subject of gerrymandering. It has been done since congressional districts were drawn up by both sides. Look at California today.

          • Jwb10001

            That’s correct Sessions was accountable to voters and his position was in jeopardy every 6 years Rosenstein isn’t, you think that’s a good thing?

          • Brucehenry

            The position of a Republican senator from Alabama is no more “in jeopardy every six years” nowadays than was the position of a Democratic senator from Alabama in the 1950s.

          • Jwb10001

            That’s a nice deflection. What should I make of that? Unelected unaccountable bureaucrats SHOULD run things? Convenient since most of them seem to be liberals.

        • Wow, you found a leftard cartoonist who suffers from TDS…

          • Brucehenry

            Wow, have you ever, even once, written a worthwhile comment on Wizbang? Nothing but a troll and a guttersnipe, nothing to say.

          • You should really have that conversation with the man aged child in your mirror.

    • 1. He’s not a progtard.
      2. He’s not GOPe.
      3. All the right panties are in a twist.
      4. Hillary Clinton is not President of the United States.

      QED

      • Retired military

        Is this a caption contest entry. If not I upvote it anyway.

    • Retired military

      It isn’t that we support Trump so much it is that we despise the actions of the far left who would defend Lynch and Hillary to the death despite mountains of evidence of their guilty and they want to persecute Trump with no evidence to speak of. Why aren’t the left demanding obstruction of justice charges be brought against Lynch using testimony by Comey as a basis? Where are Comey’s memo about his self described nauseous meeting with Lynch?

  • Retired military

    Lets see

    You listed CbS twice aka Clinton broadcast station
    Lindsey Grahamnesty who was against Trump
    And national review who has been antiTrump since last year.

    Yep these guys want Trump to suceed alright. You dont get it David. These are the same people who want Trump to fail. Just like you.

    “In short, the Trump who now occupies the Oval Office is the same Trump that people saw on the campaign trail in 2016.”

    Which is WHY Trump got elected.
    Trump’s biggest selling point was the anti PC (along with NOT being Hillary).,

    He has accomplished more for America in 5 months than any of the other republican candidates would have done in 4 years. And this despite.negative press and a Congress led by McCuckold McMconnell and RINO Ryan who want nothing more than to see Trump fail.

  • Wild_Willie

    I was embarrassed by our press at the conference with the president of Romania withe Trump. The European press asked very pertinent, current questions about their meeting while our press went all National Enquirer.

    Comey admitted he had his ‘friend’ Mueller review his statement to the hearing. That is too cozy but the dem’s through Comey is trying to get Trump to dismiss Mueller which he will not do as Trump understands how the swamp people operate.

    Obama stated publicly that Hillary didn’t do anything wrong while the investigation into her was active. As he did with the IRS scandal. According to the dem’s, that is obstruction of justice.

    Trump supporters are very well aware of the games that are going on. Remember, Bannion stated two weeks in that it is and will be a war everyday with the press and power brokers. It is only people who barely watch the MSM or David that run on supposition only. Facts will rule the day. Always will. ww

  • One of the things that strikes me about all this is how we’ve allowed a group that was designed to represent our interests in the country – our senators and our representatives – to become an unaccountable ‘elite’ who’s concern for OUR interests is far subordinate to their own interests.

    These people aren’t concerned with the good of the country as a whole – they’re worried about keeping their Beltway Clique composed of all the ‘right’ people, and outsiders must be ruthlessly eliminated by any means necessary.

    Trump is an outsider. He threatens the status quo. They’ll do their best to eliminate him.

    • PBunyan

      The 17th Amendment must be repealed to return America to the path of liberty.

      All the 17th Amendment did was give the Oligarchy the ability to buy Senate seats at a reasonable cost.

  • Hank_M

    “Own worst enemy”? Sure, if you only listen to the dishonest MSM and the Never Trump poodles. Lost in all of this are what Trump actually has accomplished, in spite of the never ending lies and attacks.

    Here are some of what he’s been able to do since taking office.

    Outstanding cabinet appointments
    DOJ ends Holder-era ‘slush fund’ payouts to outside groups
    Pulled out of Paris Climate agreement
    Illegal immigration is way down
    An executive order that would require agencies to revoke two regulations for every new rule regulation
    Neil Gorsuch
    New Coal Mine opens
    Keystone and Dakota pipeline approval
    Withdrawing from the TPP
    Executive order to hold VA exployees accountable
    Halting funding for UN Population Fund
    Signed a trade deal with China that will increase exports
    Syrian air base strike
    Moab’s dropped on Isis in afghanistan
    Cyber Security Executive order
    Created a voter fraud commission
    executive order banning administration officials from lobbying their federal agencies for five years
    repealed Obama’s Blacklisting Rule
    rescinded former President Obama’s pro-transgender guidelines
    The Justice Department dropped its lawsuit against North Carolina’s “bathroom bill”.
    established a policy in April 2017 against female genital mutilation
    signed an executive order on religious liberty
    Used the actual words “radical Islamic terrorism” in his inaugural address

    Less important but a nice gesture, had Churchill’s bust returned to the Oval Office

    And the little cherry on the cake, had Michelle Obama’s lunch rules tossed.

    Imagine what he might accomplish without the democrats and democrats with bylines waging constant dishonest war on him.

  • WHO’S THE BUSTER

    Did anyone watch the footage from yesterday where they went around the table and members of the Cabinet took turns “fluffing” the President? It was beyond surreal. He should of put a stop to it, but instead sat there smiling. Yeah, a guy like this would never ask for a loyalty pledge.

    • Hank_M

      Fluffing?

      I’m really not surprised you used that term. I’d expect nothing less from you.

      And no, it wasn’t surreal. It was a group of extremely talented people who are happy to serve, honored to be chosen, and dedicated to furthering the President’s agenda.

      And contrasted with the last presidents cabinet, these people don’t loathe the country.

    • Vagabond661

      It took 6 months…SIX MONTHS to seat his full Cabinet. And with a Republican lead Senate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! That’s your nmews story. Not some gossipy rediculous “fluffing”. OMG, are we gonna talk hair styles and who’s on Depends?

      • WHO’S THE BUSTER

        Did you watch Trump’s opening statement to the meeting of sycophants?

        “We have passed more legislation than any other administration, well, other than FDR, but he had a depression to deal with.”

        What would that legislation be?

        So does Trump know he is lying, is unaware this is not true, or simply doesn’t care?

        I wonder what would have happened if someone said “pass” as they went around the table fluffing Trump? Banishment? Twitter-Attack? Comeyed?

        Watch this excerpt and tell me this could happen in any other administration, well, other than one that is presided over by an authoritarian dictator. Wouldn’t anyone else be embarrassed? Love him or hate him, you have to admit this is downright strange.

        • On topic how?

        • Scalia

          Nobody has to “admit” anything to you. You’re a drive-by poster whose rare interactions are mostly snark, and you rarely engage other posters with anything resembling a cogent discussion.

        • Scalia

          You’re skating close to being a troll.

          • He’s been back and forth across that line since his first comment here.

        • Vagabond661
          • Brucehenry

            Yeah boy all those accomplishments are almost as consequential as the New Deal. Trump, the new FDR.

          • Vagabond661

            Yawn…..is that all you got?

          • Brucehenry

            LOL you’re the one who posted a list of renamed post offices and “resolutions of disapproval,” and not one substantial accomplishment.

          • Retired military

            I believe that is moreso thanks to McCuckold McConnell and Rino Ryan than to Trump.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            Those darn obstructionist Republicans again?

            I see there is now proposed bipartisan legislation to increase sanctions on Russia because they interfered in our election (I know, even though many of you think it is fictional).

            Surprisingly, both parties agreed to add language that makes it impossible for Trump to unilaterally rescind the sanctions.

            I am hard-pressed to remember when a President’s own party, in essence, took away his car keys.

            I will say this, if someone had written a screenplay a few years ago that had this much drama, it would have been rejected for being too overwrought and outlandish; they would have thought it was a parody. So, from an entertainment standpoint, this certainly fills the bill. Man, the cable networks never could have imagined such a gift. Additionally, Trump has single-handedly reinvigorated the print media and made many reporters a daily fixture on television. “Polarizing” is an understatement.

          • Retired military

            Vs Obama comparing himself to everyone including FDR and the Messiah.

          • PBunyan

            Most of FDR’s New Deal was overturned by the Supreme Court due to the fact that it was un-American and un-Constitutional, but in spite of that fact you think the New Deal (that actually prolonged an average depression and transformed it into the Great Depression) was a good thing, while you think everything Trump is doing to free America from government oppression is bad. No surprise there.

          • Brucehenry

            Well no, you’re wrong that “most” of the New Deal was overturned. Some of it was. But — and here’s another place you’re wrong — the Supreme Court doesn’t rule on whether legislation is “un-American.” If it’s unconstitutional, sure, but “un-American” is not a matter of law but subjective opinion and the court doesn’t make rulings about it.

            I see you are another one spouting the revisionist nonsense about FDR “prolonging the depression.” No surprise there, most of you wingnutty types like that kind of hogwash.

            A third way you are wrong is that I expressed no opinion on whether the New Deal was a good or bad thing (although, to be fair, it can be
            inferred from my comment history here I guess) but merely snarked about comparing a list of Trump’s post office renamings and other minutiae to the tidal wave of consequential legislation that was FDR’s First Hundred Days.

          • PBunyan

            How dare you present the truth to a leftist? If the media didn’t report it, it didn’t happen. Trump has done nothing!!!12111!!!!111!!11!!

        • Vagabond661
          • Brucehenry

            Yeah I remember it too, and I remember the hoooowwwlllss of outrage from wingnuts about how it heralded a cult of personality yada yada. Now when actual cabinet members are sitting around a table swearing fealty and eternal gratitude to Fearless Leader hey it’s no biggie, nothing surreal about it.

          • Vagabond661

            Sorry. It was in response to who’s the Fu…Buster. He was howling about employees praising their boss (the horror). A little different getting kids praising da Fue….Obama.

          • PBunyan

            Yes, poisoning the minds of children and forcing them to worship a horribly evil, muslim terrrorist enabling, lying, anti-American global Marxist is good in your mind, while having adults state their unsolicited approval of the election of the first President in decades who only acts in the best interest of all Americans is a horrible thing in your sick, twisted, evil, leftist mind.

          • Brucehenry

            Hey you have a nice day too!

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            Yeah that is exactly the same.

            Would someone please inform Trump that the election is over.

            Trump seems to think that everyday requires a new “episode” for television.

            There is not supposed to be intrigue, petty battles and misinformed tweets on a daily basis. Governing is generally boring when done correctly.

            Geez, last week the President was tweeting in real time in response to comments by Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe. Is Trump spending most of his time in the White House watching television?

          • Y’all chose the form of your destroyer. Enjoy!

          • Retired military

            “Would someone please inform Trump that the election is over.”

            As soon as you explain to the leftists that the electioin is over, Trump won and that even if he is impeached Hillary still wont be President. There are a lot of leftists that think that with Trump gone then Hillary will be President.

          • Jwb10001

            Really? Democrats did all they could to get electoral college voters to vote in Hillary, they have suggested using the 25th amendment to remove him and now impeachment. What makes you think the election is over?

    • PBunyan

      If that had been the rapist’s wife with her new cabinet you would have masturbated that video every day for the rest of your life.

    • I would have no problem with the President requiring signed, undated, letters of resignation from all his cabinet appointees.

  • pennywit

    Trump’s lack of discipline, including his tweets, play well with his base. But I don’t think he does himself any favors on the legal or political front.

    • You see it as a lack of discipline… perhaps.

      What I see is someone not giving people who believe they should be almost revered the ‘respect’ they haven’t earned or have forfeited by their own actions or inactions. And to be honest, I’m glad to see that. We’ve elevated our political class to a dangerous level, I think.

      But there’s few things less pleasant than dealing with a disrespected politician. They’ll do shit out of sheer spite, and the results for the rest of the country be damned.

      I think the legal and political fronts are what are hurting the folks outside the Beltway the most. The last 20-30 years or so it seems to have been much more popular to pass rules and regulations to show ‘how they’re doing something for us’ than to examine what the effects of what they’re pushing down have been. The more laws and regulations that have to be dealt with, the less money there is for innovation and business expansion.

      Frankly, our political class needs an enema. They’re so full of shit it’s ridiculous.

      • pennywit

        What I see is someone not giving people who believe they should be almost revered the ‘respect’ they haven’t earned or have forfeited by their own actions or inactions. And to be honest, I’m glad to see that. We’ve elevated our political class to a dangerous level, I think.

        I see a president who is constantly undercutting his own advisers, including his own communications team and his own lawyers, and making life more difficult for them.

        • PBunyan

          “What I see…:”

          Stop watching and reading fake news. They’re lying to you. What you “see” is all lies and deception and has nothing to do with what’s really happening. They are making it up.

          • Someone I follow on FB posted some pretty good advice…

            “”LISTEN TO ME NOW, it’s time to believe your lying eyes and accept that people can disagree with you without being evil. It’s time to investigate all news, even the ones you think confirm you bias. It’s time to wake up.

            YOU DON’T WANT TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD. There is nothing for you here. It didn’t turn out well in 1914. It won’t turn out well now.”

            I hope folks manage to do this in time.

      • Hear him, hear him!

    • Wild_Willie

      You mean the base the whooped your ass? Of course we like what he is doing. He isn’t playing politics like them and the bots that follow them. ww

      • pennywit

        “whooped your ass?” Don’t get carried away. Democrats were in serious error to assume that 2008 was a mandate for the great utopia, and Republicans would be in error to assume that 2016 is a wide mandate for Trumpism or Republicanism.

        • Scalia

          The point is that conventional analysis may not work anymore. Most of the people telling Trump what to do hate him. Does anybody really think that such advice is designed to help him?

          He’s definitely shown his amateurism and has made some embarrassing mistakes, but the vast majority of the “noise” against the president are fake scandals designed to cripple his agenda and/or to force him from office. So long as he continues to pursue the policies he campaigned on, he can count on the support of those who elected him—hair-on-fire “advisers” notwithstanding.

          BTW, no comment on Sanders’ religious test? I thought you’d have a comment or two about that.

          • pennywit

            BTW, no comment on Sanders’ religious test? I thought you’d have a comment or two about that.

            I did have a thought, but it wasn’t particularly relevant to the position. I also had a medical episode Friday, so I’ve been taking it easy.

          • Scalia

            Yeah, I know my posts can increase a liberal’s blood pressure (truth hurts), but it’s good for your soul.

            Seriously, I hope your condition isn’t serious and that you have a complete recovery.

          • pennywit

            Seriously, I hope your condition isn’t serious and that you have a complete recovery.

            Thanks. It was serious enough to knock me on my ass for the past three days, but I’m mostly better now.

          • Glad to hear it! Sick is no fun…

          • pennywit

            Fuck, no, it’s not fun. It was a digestive thing that the ER took four hours to resolve. I now have a lovely phobia of solid food. I look at a good steak, cooked just right, and my digestive system says, “Nope!! Nope!!!” I hope this dissipates in a week or so.

          • Retired military

            I would tell my stomach this steak is GOING DOWN.

          • I understand that. It should – my son had the same problem once with a bad bout of vomiting. Phenergan and the other anti-nausea meds are flippin’ wonders. Took him a week before he’d eat anything other than clear soups, jello or mashed potatoes.

          • pennywit

            Yeah. The really annoying part is that I know this is almost purely a psychological reaction, but it doesn’t help.

          • I know, man. For me, it’s merlot. After my brother died (mother, father and brother passed away over the course of 9 months…) I was kind of in the dumps, so my wife hosted a dinner with some friends. They brought a 1.5 liter bottle of merlot. The other stuff we had to drink was… meh, in my opinion – but that merlot! WOW! GREAT stuff!

            I had WAY too much of it, but for the first time in months the shroud lifted and I was… happy. I knew I was going to be paying for it later, but it was worth it.

            And… about midnight I got to see that merlot again. And again, and again… next morning I felt horrible, but a lot better mentally.

            Since then, I haven’t touched the stuff. I shudder to even think about it, but I can laugh about it – and it’s become a family joke.

          • Scalia

            I’m very, VERY, sorry to hear about your family.

          • It was about 6 years back now. Mother and Father passed away due to the ills of a very long life, but my brother didn’t make it past his second heart attack.

  • fustian24

    I agonized over it, but in the end I voted Trump because, well, Hillary.

    But there were a number of things I worried about with Trump. The first was that the man is not especially articulate. He mangles sentences, he misspells words (covfefe anybody?), and he never ever learned the first law of holes. He gets in a hole and he keeps digging. It’s maddening. Yes I know that he’s not a slick politician, but to get anything done a President has to have sophisticated and well developed communications skills. It’s a lot of what they do.

    I also worried that he came into office without any power base. The GOPe hates him, the dems hate him, everybody he ran against hates him. How do you govern when you’re alone?

    I thought that by bringing in Reince and other establishment figures, Trump was signaling that he was ready to play ball at least enough to be getting on with. I hoped that the GOPe would see an opportunity here and they would at least get together on some low hanging fruit like ending Obamacare and reducing some taxes.

    But no.

    Now we’re all stuck in this ridiculous web where truth doesn’t matter and Trump has gotten so tangled up in nonsense it’s not clear he’ll ever get out.

    The core of it is this absolutely stupid idea that the Russians would prefer Trump to Hillary. On what planet do people really believe that? Hillary was already in the process of selling out to Russia in exchange for foundation donations. There’s a word for this: projection.

    But the facts don’t really matter when you own the press and the culture. Their narrative seems to be winning and the less factual it is, the harder it is to attack. When did you stop selling out our country?

    And amazingly, Trump’s entire administration likely comes down to this question: did loyal Trump people vet Mueller or are both he and Rosenstein part of the swamp?

    The first law of investigations is that you NEVER begin an investigation until you KNOW what the results of the investigation will be.

    If Trump and his people are not on top of this independent counsel and Mueller is running wild, Trump is likely history. And, frankly he should be if he let this happen. Sure he can fire Mueller after firing Rosenstein, but his administration is functionally over at that point. If he fires Mueller, Trump is three months from the start of impeachment proceedings and there will be enough cover for the GOPe to cross over and put the knife in his back.

    So.

    If Mueller was not vetted, the Trump agenda is effectively over. So he might as well start breaking things.

    I think it may be long past time to really embrace the concept of the Special Counsel. I want one for Hillary’s file server and another one for her Foundation. I want a Special Counsel looking into whether the Obama administration was conducting illegal surveillance on the Trump campaign and we need that guy to look into the unmasking. We need a Special Counsel looking into Fast and Furious and another one looking into the IRS scandal. Maybe one looking into the part Loretta Lynch and Comey played in finding Hillary innocent of a crime she was completely guilty of.

    I want to see the democrats BEGGING for it to stop.

    This is probably a bad idea, but I like it anyway. If Trump really is dead in the water, let’s at least take a few scalps!

    • PBunyan

      “The core of it is this absolutely stupid idea that the Russians would
      prefer Trump to Hillary. On what planet do people really believe that?
      Hillary was already in the process of selling out to Russia in exchange
      for foundation donations”

      You know that makes sense on the surface– After all the Russians basically own the rapist’s wife, what with all the donations to her money laundering operation (a.k.a. the Clinton Foundation), not to mention the fact that her Presidency would have further weakend America’s military and might possibly have been the deathblow to America’s economy, but I think there is a deeper issue which would make Russia prefer Trump– Islam.

      Russia has had a much bigger problem with the Muslims and for a much longer time than most anyone other than Israel. It is well know how favorable, supporting, and enabling Obama and his State Departments have been to the terrorists and their supporters (see Muslim Spring, and Operation Zero Footprint for prime examples). I think for this reason alone, Russia may have preferred Trump to the rapist’s wife.

  • pennywit

    I don’t care that this isn’t an open thread. You guys need to read.

    Somebody opened fire on a group of Republican congressmen and others during baseball practice in Alexandria, VA, this morning. So far, several injuries. Rep. Scalise is in stable condition.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/multiple-people-injured-after-shooting-in-alexandria/2017/06/14/0289c768-50f6-11e7-be25-3a519335381c_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_axshooting-825a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e8b1aa0bf1aa

    • fustian24

      Well, it’s not like Republicans are actually people. Everybody knows they’re evil.

      Or at least that’s what the culture and the democrat media has been pushing.

    • Hank_M

      I can only imagine why they closed the comments for that news article?

    • Scalia

      Yes, we can talk about it. I might even open another thread about it. Terrible news.

      • pennywit

        This morning on social media, I blasted a friend of a friend who said something about how this happens to Republicans after they support gun rights. I may have gone a little of the deep end.

        The people at that ball game are certainly not my friends. But they are my neighbors.

        • fustian24

          Good for you.

      • pennywit

        If you open another thread, I strongly suggest following the Washington Post coverage. They’re updating pretty frequently as more information comes out.

        • fustian24

          If you have a subscription to the Washington Post.

      • pennywit

        Right now, there’s still no word on the gunman’s motive. He could have been targeting Republicans, he could have been targeting members of Congress, or he could have just said, “Hey, here’s a baseball game at 8 in the morning. I think I’m going to shoot some people.” It’s fucking diseased.

        • Retired military

          Per reports I saw the gunman ask if the people playing were republicans or democrats.

          • pennywit

            I am starting to see similar reports. Please understand I’m cautious about such things.

          • Scalia

            I’ve opened a new thread.

        • fustian24

          Apparently he was a Bernie Bro…

    • pennywit
  • PBunyan

    Even if Trump did not do a single other thing, he would still have one great accomplishment: allowing the democrats and the GOP establishment types to experience what intelligent, patriotic lovers of liberty felt about Obama, the Democrats, and the GOP establishment types.