The Straw Men of Confederacy Apologists

A disturbing trend has been taking place among the apologists for the old Confederacy. The latter have been using straw-man arguments against relocating of statues that honor the Confederacy.

What these apologists don’t understand is that the Confederacy was a shameful part of U.S. history and should not be honored. Nor should members of the Confederacy be honored for being members of the Confederacy.

That is why Americans all over the USA are calling for the removal of Confederate statues from places of honor. The same Americans have no objection to such statues being on museum property or on private property.

The aforementioned Americans aren’t wanting statues of Confederates relocated because the latter owned slaves. Instead, the former want the statues relocated because the Confederates declared war on the USA for the purpose of preserving slavery in the South.

The apologists for the Confederacy have been deliberately distorting what the aforementioned Americans are wanting.

No, the aforementioned Americans are not wanting to purge all references to historical figures who owned slaves. No, they are not wanting to do away with the novel and movie Gone with the Wind. No, they are not wanting to purge the nation of everything that pertains to the antebellum South. They are not wanting to purge every reference to the Civil War.

Although the Confederacy lost the Civil War, decades after the war ended, white southerners continued to glorify the Confederacy by erecting statues in honor of Confederates and by naming public property after Confederates.

Some people continue to glorify the Confederacy because the Confederates were their ancestors. For example, here is an excerpt from a story published by The Baltimore Sun:

“Carolyn Billups, former president of the Maryland chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, said she had considered chaining herself to the Confederate Soldiers and Sailors Monument in Bolton Hill. Now, she won’t get the chance to take her stand. Crews hauled off the 114-year-old Baltimore monument during the night – a sneaky move, Billups said. “Rats run at night,” she said. “It’s very saddening, but at least the monuments were not torn down by angry mobs.” The 65-year-old retired radiographer said her great-great-grandfather, Joseph Hardin Massie, fought in the 13th Virginia Infantry during the Civil War.”

No, the people who removed that particular monument aren’t rats, and Carolyn Billups’ great-great-grandfather did not fight for an honorable cause. Billups’ worship of her ancestor blinds her to the Confederacy’s shamefulness. The same can also be said for the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy. These groups have cause to be ashamed of what their Confederate ancestors fought for. Whereas Revolutionary War soldiers fought to liberate people from British rule, Confederate soldiers fought to keep people enslaved.

For the record, I am qualified for membership in the Sons of Confederate Veterans. During the Civil War, one of my ancestors was a member of Company D of the Second Regiment of the Alabama Cavalry. Here is a picture of the guy.

Am I proud of my ancestor because he was a Confederate soldier? Answer: No. He fought for a dishonorable cause, and he shouldn’t be glorified for doing so. I certainly don’t want to erect a statue to honor his participation in the Confederacy’s cause.

As for Confederacy statues already in existence, those on public property should not be used to honor Confederates and the Confederacy. Instead, they should be used to teach people why it was right for Confederacy to lose the Civil War.

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  • Wild_Willie

    My gosh you are challenged. History is history. The good with the bad. Ban Custer’s busts because of how he treated the Indian. Ban Jefferson because he owned a lot of slaves. Don’t ever mention the Vietnam War again and remove the wall because of what happened.

    • Retired military

      Ban the indian busts after all they fought 260+ men with 5000 of their own.

      • Brett Buck

        I think this particular problem could be handled with banning the nitwit, instead. Every time I think he has exceeded himself, and has set the bar so low that it couldn’t be beaten, he comes up with something even more ridiculous.

        It takes a bold, decisive, and highly moral individual like David to come right out with a stern public condemnation of slavery. You are the bravest man of the year 1841. Kudos, sir!

  • Retired military

    “What these apologists don’t understand is that the Confederacy was a shameful part of U.S. history and should not be honored. ”

    Who said that SLAVERY and Civil war wasnt a shameful part of US History? Noone. Or at the very least noone with an IQ above 80 and I probably insulted a good number of good hearted handicapped people there.
    It is only a very miniscule amount of people who feel differently. Yet you and the left act like it is millions.

    “Nor should members of the Confederacy be honored for being members of the Confederacy.””

    Why not? DId they honor their profession? DId they fight for their homes and families? YOU DONT KNOW. And they cant speak for themselves either. What about the Union soldiers who acted dishonorably? There were plenty. You feel they should get their statues too? Or should we just tear them all down? What about the carpetbaggers that descended on the South like fleas on a dog after the war? Did they act honorably? What about German soldiers during WW2 that let Jewish people go if they could? What about the germans who were in the military that acted as spies for the allies?

    Let the fucking dead rest in peace. You will not find one single person today who fought in that war. You wont find anyone alive today that had a very close relative who died in that war.

    With this column you have tripled down on stupid. Stop trying to justify your stupid positions that you have outlined and not answered any rebuttals on with additional posts where you continue to not justify your insanity.

  • Scalia

    Most Southerners did not own slaves, and their personal letters demonstrate that they were merely fighting for the independence of their country. The fact that several leaders of the Confederacy endorsed and defended slavery does not mean that the vast majority of Confederate soldiers did.

    Erich Hartmann is the most successful fighter pilot in history. He is credited with shooting down 352 Allied planes during the war. He is not reviled because he fought under Hitler; he is admired for his skill as a fighter pilot who fought for his country. He was not a war criminal, and there is nothing to suggest that he was aware of the slaughter of the Jews. If statues are erected in his honor in Germany (I know of none), that is not an endorsement of either Hitler or of the Jewish genocide. Your inability to avoid conflating apples and oranges is astounding.

    Moreover, David, there’s such a thing as overkill. Really, three posts in a row? You are obviously reading the reaction to your posts, but you’re too cowardly to address arguments head-on. You are not only exhibiting your monumental ignorance of history, you are also showing what a snot-nosed arrogant punk you are. There have been substantive rebuttals to your posts, but you ignore them, selectively warp some of the arguments and then act as if you’ve settled the matter. The only thing you’ve settled is how foolish you are.

    • Brett Buck

      it’s apples and dinosaurs, in this case. He’s still arguing the *slavery is bad, mmmkay” card. That’s a real hot topic, because only 399,999,975 of his fellow 400,000,000 American citizens agree with that!

      • Vagabond661

        He is an apologist, too.

        • Brett Buck

          Maybe you can get that out of it, to me, is borderline illucid, and it’s real difficult to pick out any point he is trying to make.

          Aside from the fact that he feels compelled to machine-gun out post after post decrying slavery in order to furiously signal his great virtue, of course

    • Vagabond661

      Thanks for articulating what I cannot.

    • Retired military

      Dont let facts get in the way of David trying to feel good about himself.

  • Retired military

    The first slave owner in the 13 colonies was a black man

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/fyi-know-first-legal-slave-owner-america-black-man/

    Maybe David thinks we should ban all black men to satiate the blight of slavery on our country today.

  • TheyTukRJobz

    No, Dave, the statues were not to glorify the Confederacy, but to honor those who fought and died, who were, if you listen to Lincoln, still honorable and brave Americans. Many were put up by groups consisting of the families of those soldiers, not to glorify slavery, but to honor their kin, and the men who led them into battle.

    And unless those statues are located in your local municipality or on your state’s property, you have no say in what should be done with them. THEY’RE NOT YOURS.

  • Retired military

    “That is why Americans all over the USA are calling for the removal of Confederate statues from places of honor. The same Americans have no objection to such statues being on museum property or on private property”

    If you believe that last sentence David I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I guess the following folks (found with a simple google search in about a min) didn’t consult with you on their wishes.
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    Former Virginia Cavalier and reigning NBA Rookie of the Year Malcolm Brogdon said Confederate statues have “no place in our society”
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    Confederate memorials have no place in American society. Good riddance – Steven W Thrasher
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/25/confederate-memorials-take-down-celebration-new-orleans

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    North Carolina’s governor said Tuesday that he wants to bring down Confederate monuments around the state, thrusting himself into a debate stoked by violence in Virginia and the toppling of a statue in his own state.

    Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper’s call to remove the monuments from public property came as a sheriff began arresting people responsible for tearing down a nearly century-old Confederate statue in Durham on Monday night.
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    And those were from the first page of the google search. Gee David. Sure doesn’t sound like these folks have no problem with the statues being displayed on private property or in museums.

    Here is a hint David. If you remove something from society then that doesn’t mean they feel it is okay to display in museums or on private property.

  • Retired military

    How about an article entitled

    The Straw Men of the ANTI Confederacy Apologists

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/woman-who-destroyed-durham-confederate-statue-is-a-pro-north-korea-marxist/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

    Woman Who Destroyed Durham Confederate Statue Is A Pro-North Korea Marxist

    One of the activists who toppled a Confederate statue in Durham, N.C., on Monday night is a member of an extreme leftist group that supports the totalitarian regime in North Korea and wants to abolish capitalism.

    Taqiyah Thompson, a student at North Carolina Central University, was arrested Tuesday following a press conference in which she defended the actions of the demonstrators and equated police officers to Confederate soldiers and Ku Klux Klan members.

    “I did the right thing,” she said. “Everyone who was there — the people did the right thing. The people will continue to keep making the right choices until every Confederate statue is gone, until white supremacy is gone. That statue is where it belongs. It needs to be in the garbage.”

    (side note here David. Notice she said in the garbage and not in a museum or on private property).

    Thompson is a member of the Worker’s World Party (WWP), a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist group originally formed in 1959 as a hard-line offshoot of the more moderate Socialist Workers Party. In addition to supporting a wide range of far-left causes, the group also defends the North Korean regime of dictator Kim Jong-un against alleged U.S. imperialism.

    The Durham Branch of the WWP called for Monday’s demonstration in “solidarity” with local anti-racist and anti-fascist forces, according to the group’s website. The group says it organized the protest in response to events in Charlottesville, Va., on Saturday where three people were killed when a white supremacist rally descended into street battles with counter-protesters.

    Video of the gathering shows Thompson climbing to the top of the statue and placing a rope around its neck the before fellow protesters pulled it down from its base.
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    Yep David, nothing to see here. Just your average antislavery protestor wanting statues and monuments moved to museums or private land.

  • Retired military
  • jim_m

    To say that this is not a slippery slope and that after banning statues of confederate generals and confederate war memorials that they will not go after Washington and Jefferson and Madison is to ignore the evidence that oreads exists.

    In Chicago they have called for Washington Park and Jackson Park to be renamed and for Washington’s statue to be removed because they owned slaves. People are calling for a school named after James Madison to be renamed for the same reason. Al Sharpton has called for the Jefferson Memorial to be abandoned because he owned slaves. Vox called for the destruction of Mt Rushmore because the 4 Presidents are “problematic”.

    The point is that these people are interested in the notoriety they get from opposing something. Once you accede to their demands they will simply select another target and demand that that target be expunged from our collective memories. You cannot appease these people, they will only demand more.

  • Red Five

    The removal of these memorials is Democrat revisionist history at its best (or worst). Progressives are removing these statues which are among the few remaining links tying their ideology and their party to slavery and the Confederacy. They’ve been mostly successful in hiding the fact that their favorite Planned Parenthood (spit) was created to eradicate the Negro from the earth; they’ve been mostly successful in convincing millions of people that the Republican Party exists to enslave and eradicate all the brown and black people in the country, and so on. But they must see these statues as a continuing threat to their revisionism, or it wouldn’t be such a big deal right now.

    I question the timing.

  • Hawk_TX

    “Instead, the former want the statues relocated because the Confederates declared war on the USA for the purpose of preserving slavery in the South.”

    David, do you have any proof to back up this contention?

    What action do you believe was being taken against slavery that instigated the war?
    Here is a hint, there was no action being taken against slavery. There was a proposed constitutional amendment that would have protected the institution of slavery which Lincoln had endorsed.

    And you claim that the Confederates declares war on the Union, but how could they when they were the ones attacked. It was the Union who invaded Charleston harbor and afterwards raised armies and further invaded the south. Actions that sparked most of the Confederate states to then secede. It was the Union that instigated the war, the south merely defended themselves.

  • Retired military
    • jim_m

      David owes Wizbang an apology and if he cannot remove all instances of Alf from his posts, every one of them should be black holed so he cannot offend anyone any further.

      • Retired military

        My safe space was violated by his vile racist pictures.

        • Brett Buck

          I think his content is far more offensive, at least in the sense of insulting to the intelligence.

          If the Borg came, they would refuse to assimilate him.

    • Brett Buck

      Aside from token lip service, anti-semitism is A-OK with most lefties like David. And aside from making hay off of it in New York, what you hear out of mainstream leftists with high profiles (Keith Ellison, for example) would make a lot of KKK members uncomfortable. The Jewish support for the Democrats is particularly hard to understand, it almost seems suicidal.

      Before we jump on the bandwagon, after going through these lists, they aren’t very accurate. None of them include “Sanford and Son”, “Good Times”, “The Jeffersons”, “Amen”, “Carter Country”, “What’s Happenin”, What’s Happenin’, Too”, “That’s My Mama”, or “Maude” (just to name a few) that would rate as far more racist by even casual observers and were loaded to the brim with one stereotype after another.

  • TheyTukRJobz

    Additionally, what I consider the disturbing trend is the distortion and rewriting of history going on 150 years after the end of the Civil War to smear the confederate soldiers. This is a trend that is emotional and irrational to its core. And historically illiterate.