Sheriff Joe Pardoned (OPEN THREAD)

From FoxNews:

President Trump granted a pardon to Joe Arpaio, the former sheriff of Maricopa County, Ariz., on Friday.

Arpaio, 85, was recently found guilty of criminal contempt for defying a judge’s order to stop traffic patrols that allegedly targeted immigrants.

He had been charged with misdemeanor contempt of court for allegedly willfully defying a judge’s order in 2011 and prolonging his patrols for another 17 months.

Arpaio acknowledged extending the patrols, but insisted it wasn’t intentional, blaming one of his former attorneys for not properly explaining the importance of the court order and brushing off the conviction as a “petty crime.”

He was expected to be sentenced on Oct. 5 and faced up to six months in jail if convicted.

“Sheriff Joe Arpaio is now 85 years old, and after more than 50 years of admirable service to our Nation, he is worthy candidate for a Presidential pardon,” the White House said in a statement.

“I am pleased to inform you that I have just granted a full Pardon to 85 year old American patriot Sheriff Joe Arpaio,” the president tweeted on Friday night. “He kept Arizona safe!”

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  • Scalia

    ACLU slammed for ‘This is the future’ tweet showing blond, white toddler:

    This looks like an ad for the KKK, critics said of a tweet from the ACLU this week showing a blond, white toddler and this slogan, “This is the future that ACLU members want.” ACLU Twitter.

    Social media slammed the American Civil Liberties Union this week after it tweeted a picture of a blond, white toddler with the phrase, “This is the future that ACLU members want.”

    The baby is wearing a “Free Speech” onesie and holding a small, American flag.

    Critics blasted the free-speech organization for promoting what some said looked like an ad for the KKK.

    “A White kid with a flag?!” one woman quickly tweeted.

    The group tried to control the backlash with a follow-up tweet: “When your Twitter followers keep you in check and remind you that white supremacy is everywhere.”

    The original tweet, in fact, was meant to promote the group’s line of clothing and other merchandise sold on its website, the ACLU said.

    “PSA: The future we want is babies in ACLU onesies,” the group tweeted. “’For more cute ACLU babies, follow us on Instagram!”

    But critics didn’t see it as a clothing ad.

    The ACLU faced an even angrier backlash for defending white supremacists’ right to march in Charlottesville, Va. The group had argued for the group’s right to rally, a decision it reconsidered after the event turned violent and counter-protester Heather Heyer was killed.

    The group has decided it will no longer defend hate groups protesting with firearms.

    It’s apparently unacceptable with the Nazis on the Left to even show a picture of a white person in a positive light. And the ACLU certainly has its priorities in order when they won’t defend the free speech rights of people who protest with guns, even though not a single shot was fired in Charlottesville. The Left is getting sicker every day.

    • pennywit

      Welpers, if the ACLU decides brand itself as an anti-Trump nonprofit instead of a civil liberties nonprofit, it should not be surprised the anti-Trumpers now consider themselves stakeholders and want to police its messaging.

      • Scalia

        But they, as yet, have not done so. It should, however, be very troubling to classical liberals that their allies on the Left hate free speech.

        • pennywit

          Did you see the ACLU’s fundraising earlier this year? They were heavily pushing the whole “We’re resisting Trump!” line heavily to rake in left-wing dollars.

          • Scalia

            Yes, you’re right about that. If they’re going to wear the hat of “resistance,” they should expect the resistance to hold them to it. However, isn’t that what they did? They backed down almost immediately when the Left started barking.

          • pennywit

            Yeah. It’s a real pity they did. In lieu of screaming “OPPRESSION!!!” and “FURTHERING WHITE SUPREMACY!!!”, the left-wingers could have made their point much more subtly and perhaps a bit more effectively by releasing their own image with a multiracial group of babies and the caption “our vision of America.”

          • Scalia

            It’s sad that people see race in everything. They were advertising clothing, but because it was a white toddler, they flipped out. Everywhere I go, there are ads with pictures including every color imaginable, but you get one shot of a white girl, and suddenly the ACLU becomes a Nazi front organization. Somebody’s elevator doesn’t go to the top floor.

          • pennywit

            No kidding. I think it’s awesome if somebody puts together ad or media campaigns that highlight America’s diversity, in any sense. But it’s a bit much to scream Nazi over a white baby. Yeesh.

            (Now, I think there IS a legitimate argument from some actors. I’ve heard that Asian-American actors feel they’re underpaid, and a number of ethnic actors feel they get typecast a lot).

          • If you can hear the dog whistle of racism you are the racist.

          • jim_m

            There is still a strain within the ACLU that remains loyal to the concept of civil liberty, but that is growing fewer and the anti-American left wing members are now taking control of it. For years the ACLU has been growing steadily more selective in who they deem worthy of having constitutional rights. They are sliding into the realm of rights for me but not for thee.

    • Blue on blue… Pass the popcorn.

      • pennywit

        Have some extra butter.

        • Scalia

          Nothing like homemade (not microwave) popcorn with melted butter and salt. Getting hungry for it now…

          • pennywit

            You need to read more left-wing media, and it will be perfect.

            1) Scalia makes homemade popcorn.

            2) Scalia reads left-wing media. (May I suggest HuffPo or Daily Kos?)

            3) Scalia has a cow.

            4) Scalia milks cow, churns milk into butter.

          • Scalia

            Nothing like homemade butter either.

          • pennywit

            I had a self-proclaimed Marxist prof in undergrad who once brought to class an awesome homemade cheesecake. He’d literally taken the eggs from his chickens that morning. It was delicious.

          • Scalia

            Fresh milk with the cream is also fabulous.

          • pennywit

            Damn, now you’re making me hungry.

            But you know what I like? Burgers. Sweet Italian sausage, Spicy italian sausage, and ground beef in a 0.5:0.5:1 ratio. (Although I think I need to adjust that to 0.25:0.25:1). Add onions, cheddar cheese, salt, pepper, and paprika. Eggs and breadcrumbs to bind it. Throw that on the grill.

          • Scalia

            What time do you want me to come over?

          • pennywit

            Well, I need to fit you in somewhere between yoga, social justice warrioring, and undermining America’s core freedoms. Maybe 4ish tomorrow?

            PS. Yoga is hard. I discovered this this week.

          • Scalia

            Chocolate yoga is better on the palate.

          • pennywit
          • Can’t have. Too much carb, absorbs too fast. Then again, wasn’t really a fan.

          • pennywit

            That’s your carb privilege talking.

          • Nope.

  • Scalia

    S.C. Gov. Henry McMaster issues executive order cutting off state, local money from abortion clinics

    Triggering praise, criticism and some confusion, Gov. Henry McMaster issued an executive order Friday cutting off all public funding to health care providers affiliated with abortion clinics in South Carolina.

    In the order, he also directed the South Carolina Medicaid agency to seek permission from the federal government to exclude abortion clinics from the state’s Medicaid provider network.

    “There are a variety of agencies, clinics, and medical entities in South Carolina that receive taxpayer funding to offer important women’s health and family planning services without performing abortions,” McMaster said in a press release about the order.

    “Taxpayer dollars must not directly or indirectly subsidize abortion providers like Planned Parenthood,” he added.

    Three clinics offer elective abortions in South Carolina, but only one of them is a Planned Parenthood clinic, in Columbia. Federal law already prohibits Medicaid money from being used to pay for abortions, with exceptions for cases of rape, incest or when the mother’s life is in danger.

  • Scalia

    73% Say Freedom of Speech Worth Dying For

    Americans agree freedom of speech is under assault but strongly insist that they are prepared to defend that freedom even at the cost of their lives if necessary.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that an overwhelming 85% of American Adults think giving people the right to free speech is more important than making sure no one is offended by what others say. Just eight percent (8%) think it’s more important to make sure no one gets offended. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

    This shows little change from past surveying. Eighty-three percent (83%) think it is more important for the United States to guarantee freedom of speech than it is to make sure nothing is done to offend other nations and cultures.

    Seventy-three percent (73%) agree with the famous line by the 18th century French author Voltaire: “I disapprove of what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it.” Only 10% disagree with that statement, but 17% are undecided.

    Among Americans who agree with Voltaire, 93% rate freedom of speech as more important than making sure no one is offended. That compares to just 69% of those who disagree with the French author’s maxim.

    • pennywit

      I suspect those numbers change when people are asked about specific speech rather than the platonic ideal.

      • jim_m

        I suspect it doesn’t shift nearly as much as you would like it to

      • Scalia

        There are, no doubt, more than a few folks who think “my speech” when they hear “free speech,” but on the whole, I still think the vast majority understands that all speech is threatened when we deny our opponents their right to speak.

  • Scalia

    Trump tightens Venezuela’s access to U.S. financial system

    President Trump moved Friday to restrict the Venezuelan government’s access to the U.S. financial system and squeeze the oil-based economy that sustains President Nicolás Maduro, but he stopped short of imposing a full oil embargo.

    Trump signed an executive order barring dealings in new bonds and stocks issued by the government and the state oil company, Petróleos de Venezuela, the parent of Citgo. Banks also cannot engage in new lending with the government or the oil giant.

    “Maduro chose to embrace dictatorship over his own people,” national security adviser H.R. McMaster said. “With today’s announcement, the president is keeping his promise of strong action and continuing to show strong leadership.”

    The action followed Maduro’s decision to convene a special assembly to rewrite the constitution of the oil-rich nation and assume many government powers. U.S. and Latin American leaders say Maduro’s government is veering toward dictatorship.

    U.S. officials said the new restrictions ensure that U.S. financial institutions cannot be used to help finance or underwrite Maduro’s expansion of undemocratic rule.

  • Scalia

    Trump gets it right on Afghanistan and Pakistan

    President Trump’s Fort Myer speech was possibly his most coherent, controlled and unobjectionable public articulation since he took charge at the White House.

    His remarks, which indicated more troops for Afghanistan, came down like a ton of bricks on Pakistan’s continued patronage of terrorist groups. The speech was a lucid — and long-overdue — recognition: The United States’ 16-year war in Afghanistan has been floundering partly due to Pakistan’s dualism on terrorism, as well as Washington’s dualism on Pakistan.

    Trump’s penchant for going madly off-script was contained by a teleprompter, and his speech was likely overseen by national security adviser H.R. McMaster. The remarks were a sharp shift from President Barack Obama’s tentative nudging of Pakistan in his 2009 Afghanistan address at West Point.

    In that famous speech, Obama committed to a troop “surge” in Afghanistan and vowed to start to bring home American soldiers 18 months later. He did speak out against “safe havens” for terrorists in Pakistan. But unlike Trump’s, his tone was confused and conflicted — as if he couldn’t make up his mind on whether he wanted to support Pakistan or admonish it. Eventually, Obama chose to place the United States and Pakistan on the same side of the trenches in Afghanistan, fighting what he called a “common enemy.” Obama’s contradictory framework allowed Pakistan to continue to draw good-terrorist, bad-terrorist distinctions between extremist groups, with its army acting against the Taliban in areas such as Waziristan and Swat — while facilitating groups such as the Haqqani network in Afghanistan and the Lashkar-e-Taiba against India with impunity.

    Trump has, at least verbally, abandoned Obama’s equivocation. “The next pillar of our new strategy is to change the approach in how to deal with Pakistan,” he announced, calling out the contradiction of paying “billions and billions of dollars” to Pakistan while it is “housing the very terrorists we are fighting.” Trump reminded the world that 20 U.S-designated terrorist organizations were operational in Pakistan and Afghanistan, making that the highest concentration of terrorist groups anywhere in the world. One of the groups, the Lashkar, which carried out the November 2008 terrorist attacks in Mumbai, is presently talking about transforming into a political party. That impunity is the precise reason that the Trump administration’s shrapnel attack on Pakistan’s deep state is music to Afghanistan’s and India’s ears.

    • pennywit

      Personally I think we should engage India as closely as possible.

      • I may faint…

        • pennywit


          • jim_m

            I think he is making a snide reference to the smell of curry. My Indian friends certainly would have made that comment.

          • Nope. pennywit writing something I agree with.

        • pennywit

          Well, it’s the only sensible thing to do. China’s an expansionist regional rival and Pakistan is a political basketcase. India is both stable and small-d democratic. Seems like a good potential ally to me.

          • jim_m

            It’s actually long past time that we had a closer engagement with India.

          • Thus my surprise.

  • Scalia

    Sebastian Gorka gone from White House

    (CNN)Sebastian Gorka, an outspoken and combative defender of President Donald Trump’s national security agenda, has left his position as a White House counterterrorism adviser, two administration officials told CNN.

    The news, which came late Friday evening, was widely expected in the West Wing, which has now seen high-profile departures on successive Fridays for several weeks.
    Gorka was one of Trump’s most prominent cheerleaders, frequently hitting the airwaves to defend the President’s policies and public statements.

    But his role outside of television hits was unclear. He did not play a major policymaking role, according to administration officials, and was not a member of the National Security Council.

    One White House official said Gorka submitted his resignation to retired Gen. John Kelly, the White House chief of staff, on Friday. The official said it had become clear to Gorka that he would not be allowed to have a meaningful role going forward.

    But a separate White House official disputed that he resigned.

    “Sebastian Gorka did not resign, but I can confirm he is no longer with the White House,” that second White House official said, according to a statement given to reporters.

  • Scalia

    Nancy Pelosi: You can’t yell “wolf” in a crowded theater:

    • jim_m

      Shoot, if crying wolf is a disqualifier from having your civil rights can we start building more jails to house the left?

      • Vagabond661

        CNN would have their own cell block.

  • Scalia

    Charles Barkley a white supremacist?

    There are three questions for which black America has never received a satisfactory answer:

    Why is the word “swole” never mentioned in the list of great black inventions?

    Did we ever get a satisfactory answer to who in the hell left the gate open (and, perchance, was it the same person who let the dogs out)?

    Why won’t Charles Barkley shut the f*** up?

    Does anyone even listen to him at this point? Let’s set aside his basketball commentary for a minute (where I still find him to be the NBA’s most consistently entertaining and insightful commentator). Is there anyone who thinks that Barkley’s statements about race reveal anything other than his repeated willingness to throw black people under the bus for our stupid unwillingness to assimilate into whiteness?

    Yeah, yeah, I know. I’m sure some educated, right-leaning Negro conservative has already jumped in the comment section typing in all italics (because a black Republican would never use all caps, like a savage) about how “black people are not a monolith” and something about questioning people’s blackness. But let’s be honest—we all have a friend, co-worker or cousin who believes that the white man’s ice is a few degrees colder, and no one exemplifies the black man’s subconscious acceptance of white superiority more than Barkley. [Edited to obscure profanity]

  • Paul Hooson

    The timing of this is not good because of the controversy it renews for this administration and because pardons are generally granted after one serves a sentence after a conviction.

    • Vagabond661
      • Paul Hooson

        It appears in every one of those cases, those individuals were pardoned only after serving their sentence. Pardons are usually only after individual has served their sentence, and has gone on to good conduct afterwards. Pardons are not really used for persons to avoid a sentence after a conviction.

        • Vagabond661

          What difference does it make? Do you want an 81 year old man to enter prison? A prison he has filled with all kinds of crooks?

          You have to be a sicko to want that.

          • Paul Hooson

            I understand that it is not good to put some 81 year men in jail(murderers and sex offenders are exceptions), however when someone campaigns for the president on the stump, and then is automatically pardoned upon mere conviction, that is not a good principle of government. The Sheriff did rule over inmates for many years, yet when deliberately acted in contempt of court, then somehow the same rule of law does not apply to him?

            Sadly, it looks that once again this president does not believe that the rule of law applies to his friends, family or himself.

          • jim_m

            Just like obama who refused to allow the prosecution of people according to their politics and skin color?

          • Scalia

            Paul, if you “understand” the problems that would develop by putting a very old sheriff in prison, then your appeal to another context undermines itself. The good sheriff has served meritoriously for decades. Obama deliberately ignored the law with respect to immigration, but his allies get twisted when a sheriff tried to do what refused to do. If Obama had done his job, we wouldn’t be hearing about this.

            Yes, he broke the law, but looking at his age, his good service for decades, there is no point putting him behind bars. If he had committed murder, then yes, lock him up. This? Forget it.

          • pennywit

            My liberal-leaning friends would crucify me for saying this, but it occurs to me that the people of Maricopa County have already rendered judgment on Sherrif Joe Arpaio’s conduct.

          • You have the right to be offended.

          • Vagabond661

            Sadly, you are a sicko.

          • Neither happy nor sad, just a fact.

          • Vagabond661

            Seems like the governor tried to enforce a rule of federal law on immigration and sadly Obama rescinded it.

          • No President has the Constitutional Authority to rescind a law enacted by the Congress (and signed by the sitting President or re-passed on an over-ride vote). Only the Congress can rescind a law that has taken effect.

          • Vagabond661

            Not directly of course, but Obama’s DOJ sued Arizona over the law.

            “President Obama repeatedly called the Arizona law misguided, and weeks ago, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton accidentally announced the lawsuit in an interview with South American television before the Justice Department was ready to move.”


          • Vagabond661
  • 914

    God Bless America!!

  • Wild_Willie

    Obama’s AG office with help from leftist groups created a “Castro Like” situation ALL politically motivated. All the left complaining that ‘no one is above the law’ only have to look at illegal immigrants themselves, and other powerful dem’s.

  • pennywit

    Federalist Papers and an anti-Federalist reading on the pardon power.

    • jim_m

      The antidote to inappropriate use of the power of the pardon is to elect a President with real moral character. Such has been lacking at various times in our history and continuously since 2008

  • Scalia

    IT’S ON: Christian Group Sues SPLC and Amazon Over ‘Hate Group’ Designation

    On Tuesday, D. James Kennedy Ministries (DJKM) filed a lawsuit against the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the charity navigation organization GuideStar, and Amazon for defamation, religious discrimination, and trafficking in falsehood. The SPLC listed DJKM as a “hate group,” while GuideStar also categorized it in those terms, and Amazon kept the ministry off of its charity donation program, Amazon Smile.

    “We embarked today on a journey to right a terrible wrong,” Dr. Frank Wright, president and CEO at DJKM, said in a statement Tuesday. “Those who knowingly label Christian ministries as ‘hate’ groups, solely for subscribing to the historic Christian faith, are either woefully uninformed or willfully deceitful. In the case of the Southern Poverty Law Center, our lawsuit alleges the latter.”

    The SPLC has labeled DJKM an “anti-LGBT hate group” for its opposition to same-sex marriage and transgenderism. “These false and illegal characterizations have a chilling effect on the free exercise of religion and on religious free speech for all people of faith,” Wright declared.

    “After having given the SPLC an opportunity to retract, we have undertaken this legal action, seeking a trial by a jury of our peers, to preserve our own rights under the law and to defend the religious free speech rights of all Americans,” the DJKM president concluded.

    The lawsuit laid out charges against the SPLC, GuideStar, and Amazon. “SPLC acted knowingly, intentionally, and with actual malice in publishing the Hate Map that included the Ministry and in publishing the SPLC Transmissions to GuideStar that included the ministry,” the suit alleged. “SPLC’s conduct in making these publications was beyond the reckless disregard for the truth standard required by Alabama law for punitive damages.”

    The suit claimed that “the Ministry suffered special damages in its exclusion from the AmazonSmile program as a result of SPLC’s publication of the Hate Map and the SPLC Transmissions.”

    • jim_m

      It would be interesting to see asn argument that since the SPLC designated the FRC as a hate group, which lead to an armed man taking hostages at the FRC, that an errant designation aa,a hate group by definition would presuppose malice.

      I hope the real haste group here, the SPLC, gets sued into oblivion like their fascist buddies at Gawker.

    • I pray they win and win big.

    • pennywit

      Off the top of my head, I don’t think the defamation claim is going to fly. SPLC, I think, can establish that the designation “hate group” is an expression of opinion protected by the First Amendment.

      It’s the difference between my saying “John Smith is a hateful person” and “John Smith scrawled racist graffiti on a person’s property.” In the former, I’m expressing an opinion on John Smith; on the latter, I am alleging a specific fact.

      I don’t know enough to opine on the AmazonSmiles program, though.

      • jim_m

        I think you would have a good case for incitement based on past actions of their followers. Continued use of their hate group designation is a form of reckless disregard for the safety and lives of others.

        • pennywit

          Doesn’t work. Under current law, you have to argue that there was some kind of incitement to imminent lawless action. That’s not really present here.

  • On a lighter note:


    A few months ago, while dining at Veggie Grill (one of the new breed of Chipotle-class fast-casual restaurants), a phrase popped unbidden into my head: premium mediocre. The food, I opined to my wife, was premium mediocre. She instantly got what I meant, though she didn’t quite agree that Veggie Grill qualified. In the weeks that followed, premium mediocre turned into a term of art for us, and we gleefully went around labeling various things with the term, sometimes disagreeing, but mostly agreeing. And it wasn’t just us. When I tried the term on my Facebook wall, and on Twitter, again everybody instantly got the idea, and into the spirit of the labeling game. . . .

    Premium mediocre is the finest bottle of wine at Olive Garden. Premium mediocre is cupcakes and froyo. Premium mediocre is “truffle” oil on anything (no actual truffles are harmed in the making of “truffle” oil), and extra-leg-room seats in Economy. Premium mediocre is cruise ships, artisan pizza, Game of Thrones, and The Bellagio.

    Premium mediocre is food that Instagrams better than it tastes.

    Premium mediocre is Starbucks’ Italian names for drink sizes, and its original pumpkin spice lattes featuring a staggering absence of pumpkin in the preparation. Actually all the coffee at Starbucks is premium mediocre. I like it anyway.

    Try this concept on for size yourself.

    Though I wonder. It’s not really “Premium” in any real sense. Doesn’t that make it more pretentious?

    Oh, and friends don’t let friends drink Starbucks (especially if there is a Peet’s anywhere near, I write as I sip a Mug of Major Dickasons Blend that I ground and brewed fresh this morning).

    • Scalia

      I never got the hang of coffee. Way too bitter for my palate.

      • Depends on the bean, the roast, and the preparation. The darker roasts and non Arabica beans tend to be more bitter. And the longer between being ground and having hot water applied (and the longer left on heat) also influence. Then again, I’ll admit that I’m a coffee snob.

        • pennywit

          Of interest:

          Coffee plants reached the New World during the early 18th century, though the drink wasn’t really popular in America until the Boston Tea Party of 1773, when making the switch from tea to coffee became something of a patriotic duty. The Civil War and other conflicts that followed also helped to increase coffee consumption, as soldiers relied on the caffeine for a boost of energy.

          • Coffee was also popular in England. Lloyd’s started as a coffee shop where insurers met to trade news and re-insurance. Sadly the continental United States lacks the soil and climate combination required to grow high quality coffee beans (though Hawaii does, on the islands of Kona and Kuaii).

          • pennywit

            In S.M. Stirling’s Emberverse novels (basically, our world where the technology all stopped working in the 1990s), Hawaii becomes a major commercial power because they’re the only place where coffee still grows.

    • pennywit

      Though I wonder. It’s not really “Premium” in any real sense. Doesn’t that make it more pretentious?

      Marketable and Newthink. Especially in air travel, you’re taking things that people used to consider standard and now you’re calling those things “premium” to convince people they’re getting something special.

  • pennywit

    I don’t care whether you wear a white hood or a black mask. I don’t care if you’re a white supremacist or you hate the white supremacists. Once you attack another human being without provocation, you are nothing but a thug.

    • jim_m

      It’s interesting to see the MSM finally admitting that the violence is starting from the left and Antifa is the source of it. WHile they spend a lot of column inches trying to explain how the right is somehow full of hate, they do admit that Antifa is the group starting the violence.

      What is still missing is the explanation of what it is that Antifa really stands for. They still miss that Antifa is actually in favor of fascism, their tactics are exclusively totalitarian and meant to oppress with violence and threats anyone who dares disagree with them in the slightest.

      Also missing is the fact that Berkeley’s dem mayor is a supporter of Antifa and has ordered his police to stand down in the past so Antifa can riot. I frequently state that teh left is happy ro capitalize on the violence perpetrated in support of their agenda and this is a perfect example of why,

      • Scalia

        Charlottesville was a setup and so is/was Berkeley. The Antifa, as you stated, are the real fascists here. If the police won’t step in, the Right will protect itself. It’s not going to be pretty.

        • pennywit

          It’s not going to be pretty.

          Especially when the left-wingers get over their allergy to guns.

          • And gain competence in their use, which is quick but not overnight.

          • jim_m

            Pennywit reinforces the image of the elitist lefty, who condone violence conducted to advance his agenda and will gladly see people kill themselves to oppress his political opponents.

          • pennywit

            Uhhh … right, Jim. I’m sitting at a secret master control center, and I’m personally directing the antifa to enact my agenda through violence. Yeah. Sure.

            Let me spell out my real take: The antifa people are using fists and baseball bats for now. Pretty soon, one of their victims is going to defend himself with a gun and leave several masked antifa dead, probably injured. The antifa, in turn, are going to see that as justification to get their own guns, and they’re going to start showing up armed.

            The far left and far right are rapidly turning into armed camps, and at the rate things are going, it’s going to get worse and more violent before things get better.

          • jim_m

            I noticed that you formulated that as a justification for antifa arming themselves.

            Turn it around: Antifa are already using violence and have hospitalized people with their unwarranted, unprovoked and unlawful assaults. It is a matter of time before they kill someone. When they do people will choose to defend themselves and no one will have any sympathy for them when someone starts shooting these dirtbags.

          • pennywit

            You will read whatever you want into my remarks. Given your penchant for ad hominems and twisting other people’s words, I owe you neither explanation nor justification.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER
          • jim_m

            Yeah, that’s totally out of line. He wasn’t attacked or really provoked. He was shooting recklessly and was clearly trying to aim to not hit someone but to scare them. That is behavior that should be punished and it seems that it will be.

          • pennywit

            Not sure what I was watching there. The video wouldn’t play on my browser. What was it?

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            One of the “good guys” in Charlotesville shooting at left wing protesters to, I guess, make a point.

          • jim_m

            He made a point. He’s an idiot. It seems clear that he was shooting to scare and not to actually hit someone, but the reality is that you never fire unless you are really willing to destroy whatever is down range.

          • Dealt with:

            WELL, GOOD: Arrests Made in Gun Firing, Beating of Counter-Protester in Charlottesville.

            55 Posted at 2:56 pm by Stephen Green

          • pennywit

            It doesn’t take nearly as long as an English longbow.

          • Was there something unclear about “which is quick but not overnight.”?

          • Scalia

            True, but the Right has owned guns for years and knows how to use them. I’m just shaking my head over what’s happening to our country.

          • pennywit

            Do we stand athwart the train tracks and yell “Stop!” or do we just let things disintegrate? Personally, I don’t have much hope.

          • Got a mouse in your pocket?

          • pennywit

            No. I’m just happy to see you.

          • jim_m

            bring it

        • jim_m

          THe real issue is that the left is all too eager to accept the advantage they see from Antifa intimidating and silencing opposition. The majority on the left have been silently accepting this aid and up to now the focus has always been to point the finger of blame on their victims.

          Even when there is an admission against interest that Antifa is violent, it is usually done in the context of saying that the other side is worse or somehow asked for it. Even the WaPo article linked above spends a lot of time trying to say that all of Antifa’s opponents are right wing haters.

          This will end badly for the left because there are too many people remaining in this country who are aware of what left wing policies will lead to and none of us are going to allow Venezuela to happen here. And let there be no doubt, Venezuela is on the good end of the scale of what the left would want.

          • Scalia

            This will end badly for the left because there are too many people remaining in this country who are aware of what left wing policies will lead to and none of us are going to allow Venezuela to happen here.

            That’s certainly a solace in times like these, but we’re losing our youth to the public school propaganda machine. The only antidote for that is a vigorous defense of free speech to counteract the poison the Left is injecting on a daily basis in the school system.

        • So was San Jose before that.

    • How socially insensitive of you!

    • Scalia

      More on the Left had better share that sentiment if we’re to avoid a major catastrophe.