Las Vegas Shooting and Gun Control

They want to shut the gate to the corral after all of the horses have escaped.

That’s how some people are reacting to the mass shooting in Las Vegas. “If only the federal government had passed Law X after the Y shooting, then the Las Vegas shooting wouldn’t have happened!”

Hey, Pandora, why don’t you grab those bad things you let out of your box and put them back in?

Oh well. Such a knee-jerk reaction should be expected.

Isn’t that the way people are? We crave simple solutions to complex problems because we don’t want to admit that the real solutions are as complex as the problems. We desire simple-but-false answers because they are supposedly less costly to us.

New gun legislation might be worthy of consideration as long as it meets two conditions:
1) It doesn’t violate the Second Amendment.
2) It would actually do some significant good.

I don’t know of any proposed gun legislation that meets both of those conditions.

The harsh reality is that people determined to do evil are going to do evil. We can erect legal roadblocks, but evil has a way of going around roadblocks.

Granted, some people won’t even admit that evil exists. That’s because such an admission would also be an admission of something that is beyond human control. People tend to be afraid of whatever is beyond human control.

The knee-jerk reaction to the Las Vegas shooting isn’t helpful. Neither is lamenting about gun control in other nations. Gun control might work in nations where Pandora’s Box hasn’t been opened yet, but the USA isn’t one of those nations. No new gun legislation could make all existing guns, gun accessories and ammunition in American vanish. Background checks are worthless if the ones intent on evil have nothing troublesome in their background.

Proposed Gun Legislation That Is Reasonable
Las Vegas Massacre (OPEN THREAD)
  • jim_m

    David, you miss the obvious point that laws are only effective with people who obey the law. Criminals, by definition, do not.

    Gun control laws are completely ineffective unless accompanied by universal gun confiscation. Even then, unless that confiscation is close to 100% effective out still won’t work.

    But more and more gun control advocates are at least being honest enough about their goals to admit that they want nothing less than universal confiscation. That is where the debate is now.

    • I will become a scofflaw.

    • Retired military

      “Gun control laws are completely ineffective unless accompanied by universal gun confiscation”
      300 million guns in the US. 9+ Trillion rounds. Good luck with that.
      Zip guns can be made easily enough with a piece of pipe, a nail and a rubber band.

      • Slam-fire immediately comes to mind… a sticky (accidental or otherwise) firing pin will empty your magazine quickly.

        And this guy was literally doing spray&pray. 400+ yards, into a concert venue.

        Fucker. Glad he offed himself, though it would have been REALLY interesting to find out his motivations.

        • Given the height advantage, and if the weapons really were mounted. One must wonder how many of the 500+ wounded were actually shot.

    • Retired military

      “David, you miss the obvious point”
      Not an unusual occurrence there.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b41cf62cf4e7aeb198775b59c4b397e402bc681cef5bea3f4f23f0d5a9907b97.jpg

  • Par4Course

    Automatice weapons have been illegal since the 1930s but that didn’t stop the LV shooter from getting an arsenal. There are about as many guns in the US as people, although they aren’t selling nearly as fast with Trump in the White House as when B. Hussein Obama was President. It’s a good thing we have the 2nd Amendment because there are millions of people who would support gun confiscation just because “we have to do something.” No proposal I’ve heard would do any good and most would be a civil rights nightmare.

    • Retired military

      Actually you can own automatic weapons. You have to buy one through a class 3 firearms dealer and they are quite expensive and it takes a few months. Plus you have to pass the extensive background check.

      “most would be a civil rights nightmare ”
      But the left doesn’t see this as your civil right to own a gun but their civil right to not be afraid of you because you own a gun.
      The left has a large issue with police yet they want police to be the only ones with guns and they want to send them after you and anyone else who owns a gun.

      • EricSteel

        It would take the ATF about 30 seconds to determine if he had an NFA permit, and about 30 seconds more for that information to be leaked to the media.

        • Retired military

          Since this has not been leaked to the media then we can safely assume that he did not have the permit. Which means that he
          a. illegally acquired automatic weapons or
          b. he illegally modified the weapons to shoot auto.
          or
          c. both.
          Of course the gunman doing something illegal doesn’t matter to the left. What matters is he did it with a gun(s) which they abhor.

  • Retired military

    “We crave simple solutions to complex problems because we don’t want to admit that the real solutions are as complex as the problems. ”
    Plaques in front of civil war statues comes to mind.

    • Eliminate those, you eliminate racism!

      It’s much faster than actually treating other people well, regardless of color, and teaching your kids that character is more important than skin color, and their character damn well better be good.

  • Wild_Willie

    You want to end violence, have the MSM and politico’s and lobbyist’s stop the labeling and hate messaging. They make it seem to those on mental shaking ground easy to step over the line to end the haters.

  • Retired military

    “Oh well. Such a knee-jerk reaction should be expected.”

    Plaques in front of civil war statues comes to mind.
    limiting ownership to 10 round magazines comes to mind.

    Strange how David pontificates to make himself look like a strong conservative on this issue yet his previous statements shows just how much of a hypocrite he is.

  • Retired military

    Leftists: “We hate cops”
    Right “Who will protect you from people with guns?”
    Leftists : “All privately owned guns should be confiscated”
    Right “Who is going to confiscate the guns from private citizens?”
    Leftists: “Cops with guns”

  • Retired military

    CBS Exec Hayley Gold

    ““If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs will ever do the right thing. I’m actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters.”

    She has since been fired.

    The following is a quote from Gold’s lawyer

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/02/top-cbs-lawyer-no-sympathy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html

    “Her attorney, Carrie A. Goldberg, responded: “In the last few hours my client, her family and friends have been bombarded by online death unimaginable in quantity and detail. We beg people to show love and support to survivors and loved ones — in Las Vegas and their own lives — instead of creating more violence.”


    Funny how when they are on the receiving end they beg people to show love and support to folks.

    • She has sown the wind. Let her enjoy the harvest of whirlwind that now descends on her. She has EARNED it.

    • Brian Brandt

      I have never heard of anyone getting out of trouble by posting to Twitter or Facebook. Yet another reason I don’t have any social media accounts. (Well, except for my Disqus account, that is.)

    • Scalia

      It appears that the shooter may have been radicalized to target conservatives. This is developing, so we’ll need to stay tuned.

      • Aloha Snackbar?

      • jim_m

        Oh, so another democrat believing that violence is the only way to get his political agenda enacted. Sounds like this is going mainstream with the left.

      • WHO’S THE BUSTER

        Infowars?

        Isn’t this the same source that suggests that Trump sometimes seems unhinged because he is being secretly drugged by his enemies?

        Infowars? Not a news source, but Infowars?

        I am amazed that news is now anything that reinforces what people wish to be true.

        Of course, Infowars also thinks that CNN is to blame for what happened in Las Vegas. What?

        • jim_m

          The source is a live video of the LV Sheriff saying that the shooter was “Radicalized” . WTF is your problem?

          Are you so fucking stupid that you think that infowars fabricated the whole fucking press conference?

          I thought you were pretty damned stupid but not this fucking stupid.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            “I thought you were pretty damned stupid but not this fucking stupid.”

            What an amusing statement for an adult to write in a public forum.

            The entire article is based on the following utterance.

            “Did this person get radicalized unbeknownst to us? And we want to identify that source,” said Lombardo.

            That is evidence of radicalization?

            Perhaps this is why Infowars makes Breitbart appear objective.

            Now about CNN making him do it….?

          • jim_m

            The point is that the authorities are using the term which has implications. You cast aspersions on the “source” but you neglect that it is not the website that is the source, but the actual police.

            That’s why you are stupid. You can’t even understand who/what the source is.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            “Authorities” are not using the term, but instead, one sheriff was, apparently, thinking out loud.

            I read the link and knew exactly who said it, but real news outlets did not leap to the “desired” conclusion based on his ruminations. As I stated, the entire article was apparently based on the one statement I quoted in the previous comment.

            Now about Trump being secretly drugged…well, I suppose that could be true.

          • Scalia

            …real news outlets…

            Like CNN? Gotcha.

          • Retired military

            Who do I believe that if Trump had Tweeted

            ““Did this person get radicalized unbeknownst to us?


            The left would have their panties in a wad wanting to know why Trump automatically assumes Muslims did it and how he is Islamophbic. Also they would be preaching ” using the term which has implications.” and how bad it is and what kind if things Trump means by it..

          • Never bet against a new low when it comes to stupid and busted.

        • Scalia

          I am amazed that news is now anything that reinforces what people wish to be true.

          I am amazed that Buster again attacks the source over the substance. And I am amazed that you again fail to understand why we’ll immediately jump on your sources whenever you attempt to substantiate an allegation. Sauce for the gander.

          At this point, we don’t know what the motivation was for the shooting. At this point, it’s speculative, but it is a point of discussion. I did not draw any conclusion and said that it’s developing.

          Try to focus next time.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            Attacking the source?

            Below are the other popular headlines today from that “source” regarding the shooting.

            Just as an aside, while I disagree with many of the views held by commenters on Wizbang, they are, as a group, very well-informed. That is why I see a link to Infowars and shake my head. They took an unsubstantiated comment from a sheriff and made it a “story.”

            Now for today’s headlines regarding Las Vegas courtesy of InfoWars:

            FBI Source: Vegas Shooter Found with Antifa Literature, Photos Taken in Middle East

            What They’re NOT Telling You About the Las Vegas Massacre

            Neighbor of Las Vegas Shooter Claims He Didn’t Do It

            Bombshell: Mandalay Bay Memo Allegedly Shows Owner Connected to Antifa Groups

            Police Scanners Report Multiple Shooters At Vegas Hotel

            Las Vegas Tragedy Is Sacrifice To Push Globalist Agenda

            Evidence Shows Vegas Shooter Targeted Christians/Conservatives in Massacre

            Hey, who knows, if you throw everything against the wall, something might just stick.

            Here, I will make one up, “Shooter had a Ted Nugent CD in His Car, He Must be a Right Wing Extremist.”

          • Scalia

            Again, the sources are Sheriff Joe Lombardo (yeah, I know, another right-wing hack) and Dr. Michael Welner.

            Let me help you out. The proper way to critique the link is to either show that said parties did not say what is alleged or what they said was taken out of context. That way, you at least give the impression that you’re well-informed and are trying to be objective. Instead, you show how ignorant you are by reflexively attacking the reporter’s employer.

            Did they not offer logic at your school?

          • Socially advanced, never passed.

          • That was what passes for focus and logic with busted.

        • Retired military

          Yeah Scalia . I mean you should pay attention to real news outlets that have layer upon layer of fact checking.

          For instance

          http://www.newsweek.com/marilou-danley-gunmans-girlfriend-social-security-number-677033

          RETRACTED: Paddock’s Girlfriend Used Two Social Security Numbers and Was Married to Two Men at the Same Time

          I mean if they don’t get the headlines right the first time they can always print corrections on page D98 under the personal adds for male on male bondage.

          • WHO’S THE BUSTER

            Has InfoWars ever retracted anything?

            I do remember, however, that Alex Jones had to admit that he was basically a “performance artist” in his divorce trial when he was asked to provide evidence of his “news” stories.

            In other words, his claims about Pizzagate, the government’s involvement in 911 and that Sandy Hook was a hoax, might not be entirely true.

          • Scalia

            You might enjoy reading this from a source you trust:

            Mass Shootings Are A Bad Way To Understand Gun Violence.

          • You cast pearls of wisdom before a swine.

          • Retired military

            Dont know if they have or not

        • Scalia

          As to what people “wish to be true,” how about wishing that mass shooters were white in order to politicize the event?

          Better if a guy named Sayeed Farouk was reporting that a guy named Christopher Hayes was the shooter.

    • Let us resort to the historically proven method of making a society polite.