Clinton Cleared Before Investigation Complete? OPEN THREAD

From FoxNews:

Comey drafted letter on Clinton email investigation before completing interviews, FBI confirms

The FBI released documents Monday proving former FBI Director James Comey began drafting a letter regarding Hillary Clinton’s email investigation months before conducting several key interviews, including speaking to Clinton herself.

The document release was titled “Drafts of Director Comeys July 5, 2016 Statement Regarding Email Server Investigation Part 01 of 01.”

The contents of the email were largely unclear as nearly all of it was redacted. The now-public records show the email titled “Midyear Exam — UNCLASSIFIED” was sent by Comey on May 2, 2016, to Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, general counsel James Baker and chief of staff and senior counselor James Rybicki.

On May 16, the documents showed a response email from Rybicki, saying “Please send me any comments on this statement so we may roll into a master doc for discussion with the Director at a future date. Thanks, Jim.”

The existence of the documents, reported by Newsweek, were first brought to light by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., also a member of the committee, after they reviewed transcripts of interviews with top Comey aides who alluded to the email’s existence. The Senate Judiciary Committee is investigating Comey in his role as FBI director and President Trump’s decision to fire him in May.

The senators penned a letter on Aug. 30 to newly-appointed FBI Director Christopher Wray noting their findings, saying that “it appears that in April or early May of 2016, Mr. Comey had already decided he would issue a statement exonerating Secretary Clinton. That was long before FBI agents finished their work,” the letter said. “The outcome of an investigation should not be prejudged while FBI agents are still hard at work trying to gather the facts.”

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  • Retired military
  • Brett Buck

    Is there anyone in this universe who didn’t know the fix was in right from the start? It was a pantomime investigation right from the start.

  • Scalia

    Clinton Foundation to keep Harvey Weinstein’s $250,000 donation:

    The Clinton Foundation will not return as much as $250,000 in donations from disgraced Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein following the accusations of sexual harassment and rape.

    The foundation said Monday that donations, ranging from $100,000 to $250,000, have already been spent on projects, according to a statement provided to Fox News.

    “We are a charity. Donations, these included, have been spent fighting childhood obesity and HIV/AIDS, combatting climate change, and empowering girls and women, and we have no plans to return them,” a Clinton Foundation spokesperson said.

    The move to keep the money was expected following tweets from the foundation’s spokesman Craig Minassian.

    “Suggesting @ClintonFdn return funds from our 330,000+ donors ignores the fact that donations have been used to help people across the world,” Minassian wrote on Twitter.

  • Scalia

    Colin Kaepernick files grievance accusing NFL owners of collusion:

    Former San Francisco quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who sparked backlash by starting the trend of NFL players kneeling during the national anthem, has filed a grievance accusing NFL owners of colluding against him under the latest collective bargaining agreement, according to a report out Sunday.

    Bleacher Report’s Mike Freeman said in a series of tweets that the controversial athlete has hired attorney Mark Geragos “who has represented numerous high profile clients.”

    Geragos said in a statement posted on Twitter on Sunday that he filed the grievance “only after pursuing every possible avenue with all NFL teams and their executives.”

    “If the NFL (as well as all professional sports leagues) is to remain a meritocracy, then principled and peaceful political protest — which the owners themselves made great theater imitating weeks ago — should not be punished,” Geragos said in the statement, “and athletes should not be denied employment based on partisan political provocation by the executive branch of our government. Such a precedent threatens all patriotic Americans and harkens back to our darkest days as a nation.”

    Commissioner Roger Goodell, according to Bleacher Report, has denied any blackballing of Kaepernick.

    “I believe that if a football team feels that Colin Kaepernick, or any other player, is going to improve that team, they’re going to do it,” he said in June to ESPN.com.

    • Brett Buck

      Kapernick’s record in last 19 starts = 3-16. Case dismissed!

      • jim_m

        What is demanded is equality of outcome. Even though he sucks he should get the same contract as Tom Brady.

        • Brett Buck

          Of course, I am an old fool, still expecting that the score was important. What really matters is that everyone participating feel good about themselves when it’s over. Clearly Colin has had his widdle feewings hurt by those mean kids and all those mean old men not liking him.

          And what’s this business of paying people doing the same job different amounts. Brady is an NFL quarterback, Kaep was a NFL quarterback, why shouldn’t them make the same wage? How much more proof of bias can you find. They are biased against the incompetent, plain as day! We shouldn’t be biased against anyone for any reason! Why doesn’t the government step in and do something?!

      • Retired military

        Kapernick believes that collusion is all the owners saying “I don’t need this fucking headache on my team”

    • Wild_Willie

      If stats can’t be used for owners to pick players then it is up to feelings. Give it up NFL, you could have changed the outcome of this last year when he grandstanded and knelt during the colors and Anthem. Now you are paying the price for lack of leadership. As a retired businessman I saw what happens when leadership did not act many times. It is never positive.

    • Jwb10001

      It’s not collusion when smart business people make similar decisions regarding the health and well being of their business. It should be up to him to prove his value as a QB out weighs his liability as a jack ass. I’m sure though that in order to avoid being called big ole meanies the NFL will force some team to take him and let him sit the bench for millions. I wonder what will replace the NFL as the sport of choice in the US post their self destruction.

  • Scalia

    NRA Spokeswoman Forced to Move After She Received Death Threats:

    National Rifle Association spokeswoman Dana Loesch announced Sunday on Twitter that her family had been forced to move suddenly after she received multiple death threats from gun control advocates.

    Loesch, a conservative commentator and syndicated talk radio host, followed the announcement of her family’s move by condemning the way politically progressive society has treated not just her, but conservative women as a whole.

    In the wake of Harvey Weinstein’s sexual misconduct allegations, many women are telling their stories of assault on Twitter, using the hashtag, #MeToo. Loesch used the hashtag to tell her story of how she is being threatened for her views on guns and the Second Amendment.

    • pennywit

      I will have you know those were socially conscious, carbon-neutral death threats!!

      Seriously … this country’s in a bad place when death threats are a regular part of our political discourse.

      • jim_m

        That’s OK. They seem to be unidirectional for the most part.

      • Brett Buck

        Political discourse? I am involved in a competitive hobby – and a very obscure hobby – where a small group used the US Mail to send a death threat to one of the judges, and the FBI had to track it down. The perpetrators – East coast liberal from the NY/NJ area. Stupidest damn thing I ever heard of. This seems to be part and parcel with the culture, someone does something you don’t like, if you get mad enough, threaten to kill someone. And it was rationalized the same way, “we are powerless and downtrodden, there’s a giant conspiracy against us by all these terrible people, what else can we do?”.

        • pennywit

          Is your hobby Civil War re-enactments by any chance?

  • Scalia

    Bowe Bergdahl pleads guilty to desertion, faces up to life in prison:

    Fort Bragg, North Carolina (CNN)US Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl could spend the rest of his life behind bars after he pleaded guilty Monday to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy.

    Bergdahl disappeared from his base in Afghanistan in June 2009 and was held in captivity by the Taliban until May 2014.

    “I left my observation post on my own,” Bergdahl told a judge Monday. “I understand leaving was against the law.”

    The 31-year-old said he deserted from his outpost to try to reach the base from where he was dispatched. Bergdahl told the judge he wanted to report “a critical problem in my chain of command,” but did not specify what that problem was.

    • jim_m

      So he chose to report it to the enemy. Life is better than he deserves.

    • He should be hanged by the neck until dead.

      • Walter_Cronanty

        As should Susan Rice, for pissing on an untold number of servicemen and former servicemen with her lies about Bergdahl and Benghazi.

    • Walter_Cronanty

      And who can forget Obama’s five-star General of Lying, Susan Rice, giving cover to Obama’s trade of five terrorists for traitor Bergdahl:

      …Following the trade, Obama held a flashy press conference in the White House Rose Garden with Bergdahl’s parents to commend the man who left his post to enter the arms of the Taliban. During that time, now infamous National Security Advisor Susan Rice told ABC that:
      “…The point is that he’s back. He’s going to be safely reunited with his family. He served the United States with honor and distinction and we’ll have the opportunity, eventually, to learn what has transpired in the past years, but what’s most important now is his health and well-being. That he has the opportunity to recover in peace and security and be reunited with his family, which is why this is such a joyous day.”

    • The ‘critical problem’ was that he didn’t want to be there anymore and wanted his mommy.

      Stupid fuck. He could have just waited until rotation back Stateside, but nooo…. he had to go AWOL and get others killed looking for his sorry ass.

      Leavenworth, for the longest sentence the UCMJ allows short of death.

  • Scalia

    Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016:

    (CNN)At least 64 law enforcement officers have been shot and killed this year, the most in five years, according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.

    The 2016 shootings have spanned the nation, from California to Massachusetts.

    They’ve exceeded the annual average of police shooting deaths over the past 10 years, 53. And this year’s total is higher than the number of firearms-related police deaths in 2015. According to the fund, firearms were responsible for 41 of 123 officer fatalities in 2015, one of the safest years for officers on record.

    The decade’s highest total came in 2011, with 73 officers shot dead.

    This year’s shooting deaths include an officer on her first day on the job and a sheriff’s corporal who was about to retire.

  • Scalia

    Judge’s ruling deals blow to Menendez:

    NEWARK — Five days after unexpectedly dangling a legal out for Sen. Robert Menendez by questioning a theory that is key to the prosecution’s federal bribery case against the Democratic lawmaker and his co-defendant, Judge William Walls withdrew it on Monday.

    Menendez’s attorneys had asked Walls to dismiss all 18 counts against New Jersey’s senior senator. The judge had signaled before court broke last Wednesday that he was sympathetic to the defense’s argument that would have gutted most of those counts — the “stream of benefits” theory, in which a public official’s actions can be defined as bribery if those actions can be linked to gifts received over a lengthy period.

    Prosecutors say co-defendant Salomon Melgen, a Florida eye doctor, provided Menendez with private jet flights, hotel stays and about $750,000 in political contributions in exchange for official favors “as opportunities arose.”

    The defense argued that the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2016 decision overturning the corruption conviction of former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell invalidated the “stream of benefits” theory.

    Walls didn’t agree.

    After reading dozens of pages of briefings from the prosecution and defense and hearing more oral arguments, Walls was firm in siding with the prosecution. He said higher courts in recent cases have continued to rely on the stream of benefits theory.

    “I see nothing in McDonnell that attacks the stream of benefits theory,” the judge said Monday. “This court concludes that a rational jury could determine that the defendants entered into a quid pro quo agreement.”

    Walls also refused to toss out a charge that Menendez intentionally refused to disclose his gifts from Melgen.

    “The jury will decide whose version of what happened and what didn’t happen is more likely than not,” Walls said.

    • Retired military

      Ahhh but what was the intent of Menendez. After all that is Comey’s thoughts on Hillary. Well umm that and he suddenly didn’t want to be found as having committed suicide.

    • Jwb10001

      Do we seriously think this is the only guy in DC that’s dirty? I don’t understand why he’s being thrown under the bus while the other 90% skate. It would be interesting to know who he pissed off that authorized the feds to go after him, knowing that we’d know who really wields power in DC.

  • Scalia

    Attacker with knife flees after woman reveals her concealed carry gun, police say

    A woman in Illinois was reportedly able to protect herself with her concealed carry firearm after a stranger with a knife jumped into her car.

    Police said a woman who was parked near a shopping mall in Moline on Sunday was attacked by a man who fought his way into her car, according to WQAD 8.

    During the fight, the man reportedly slashed the woman’s arm with a knife. He then ordered the woman to drive to Rock Island County, a rural area, according to police.

    Once the woman stopped the car, she was able to reach her gun, which she had a concealed carry firearm permit for, WQAD 8 reported.

    After the attacker saw the weapon, he reportedly ran off and she was able to drive herself to the hospital.

    • jim_m

      The democrat party is run by men who are serial harassers and sexual predators. Why would they want this woman to have a gun?

  • Retired military

    Proof positive that some liberals are fucking delusional

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-still-become-president-200005291.html

    This guy needs to be put into a mental hospital and never let out.

    • “But doesn’t the runner-up take over if the winner of the beauty pageant can’t do the job?”

      “Okay. A: The election wasn’t a ‘beauty pageant’. B: The rules are different. And C: Hillary, you’re NEVER gonna win a beauty pageant unless you’re the only contestant and the judge is blind and deaf.”

      • Retired military

        But but the article was written by a HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR. I mean you cant get much more intellectual than that.

        • They keep using that word. I don’t think they know what it actually means.

    • Jwb10001

      So in this twisted view, if Hillary were magically to become president via impeachment/resignation/investigation and typical partisan political crap, that would unify the country? I’ll have what ever he’s drinking.

      • Brett Buck

        It would unify the important part of the country. He doesn’t understand how Trump won, no one he knows voted for him.

        • Jwb10001

          It seems to me the people you’re talking about are already unified.

    • pennywit

      How about this scenario:

      A. Robert Mueller finds enough evidence to indict Michael Flynn, Michael Flynn’s son, and Paul Manafort. Donald Trump Jr. is listed is a “person of interest.”

      B. Donald Trump finds the investigation has overstepped his bounds. He orders Rosenstein to fire Mueller. Rosenstein refuses. He goes through about two or three new “acting Attorneys General” before one is willing to fire Mueller.

      C. Official DC considers this a serious overreach from the president, but nobody is willing to seriously challenge him as the 2020 election approaches.

      D. A Senate committee subpoena’s Mueller’s investigative notes and other work product. The Trump administration claims the notes are protected by executive privilege and refuses to turn them over. The committee and the president’s attorneys go to court.

      E. Donald Trump does poorly in the popular vote, but he carries enough states in the electoral college to win re-election in 2020.

      F. After the election, the Supreme Court finally rules on the executive privilege issue, finding that Mueller’s notes must be turned over to Congress.

      G. From late 2020 through the summer of 2021, the House and the Senate hold televised, highly publicized hearings about the Mueller investigation, the 2016 campaign, and the Trump campaign’s relationship with Russia.

      H. Donald Trump refuses to cooperate with the congressional probe, and he orders his subordinates not to cooperate either.

      I. Trump grows increasingly isolated as much of Washington senses he is now vulnerable and turns on him politically.

      J. Somebody in the Trump White House leaks a trove of emails to the Washington Post and Politico, including a number of emails coded Secret or Top Secret. Another source (later identified as Paul Manafort) leaks a number of emails from the Trump campaign.

      K. After reviewing the emails, reporters highlight a number of questionable acts by Trump campaign staffers and Trump White House staffers. President Trump himself is untouched, but there is evidence he tried to interfere with Mueller’s investigation.

      L. A group of Republican congressional staffers visit the White House and try to convince President Trump to step down.

      M. President Trump refuses to step down.

      N. The House Committee on Government Reform drafts articles of impeachment and prepares to hold hearings.

      O. Still maintaining that neither he nor his administration did anything wrong, President Trump nevertheless resigns, saying he has been driven out by “establishment Republicans.”

      P. Vice President Michael Pence assumes the presidency.

      Q. Under the process established in the 25th Amendment, President Michael Pence appoints Ted Cruz vice president.

      R. For some god-damn reason, Jimmy Carter runs for president in 2024 and wins.

      • Jwb10001

        At this point I’ll be surprised if Mueller, Comey and other’s don’t end up in front of congress or worse for their parts in the Uranium 1 deal. That’s now recirculating and could prove embarrassing or worse.

      • Vagabond661

        Sounds like a Movie of the Week on MSNBC

  • Retired military
    • pennywit

      I thought that was free silver?

      • pennywit

        No, wait, it was the gold standard that was like crucifixion.

  • Scalia

    As if anybody thought otherwise….

    Senior Homepage Editor Reveals Biased Political Agenda at NYT
    https://youtu.be/uOBuGCd39Xw

    • Retired military

      Paul doesn’t think that there is bias in the press.

      • Scalia

        Oh, yeah. I forgot about Paul.

  • pennywit

    Army Times:

    Army trainees at Fort Gordon, Georgia, say they were marched from their barracks to a base chapel Saturday morning for a mandatory Christian proselytizing event.

    The soldiers, at the post for Advanced Individual Training, said they were required to listen as a Christian chaplain prayed over them and urged them to turn their lives over to Jesus Christ. A Christian rock band also played during the three-and-a-half-hour “Spiritual Fitness Barbecue.”

    After being contacted by 43 soldiers and Army civilians at Fort Gordon immediately following the event, “Mikey” Weinstein, founder and president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, wrote a letter of complaint to Maj. Gen. John Morrison Jr., the installation commander, late Saturday evening.

    The soldiers, Weinstein wrote, “quite justly feel as though they have been brutally subjected to fundamentalist Christian predators and bullies, superior to them in the Fort Gordon chain of command under your control.”

    Weinstein’s (no relation, I hope) language is over the top and incendiary, but if the facts are anything like he recited, then it’s troubling.

    • Retired military

      I find this extremely hard to believe. Extremely hard. This is akin to a commander begging to be relieved from command and end his career.

      https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/10/16/fort-gordon-soldiers-say-they-were-forced-to-attend-a-christian-spiritual-fitness-event/?at-trending

      From the article
      ++++
      “The event you inquired about was the Spiritual Fitness Barbeque, which is part of a voluntary program helping to develop soldier resiliency,” according to the statement. “This event is bi-annual, and has been held for the last 10 years. Written instructions were provided to the units to help coordinate participation and set up. The instructions were clear that this was strictly a voluntary event, and that soldiers are not required to attend.

      “More than 500 soldiers RSVP’d,” the statement continued. “The brigade commander was in attendance for the event and saw soldiers coming and going freely, with no complaints from soldiers he spoke with.”

      +=
      The above excerpt is much more believable as to what actually happened. The trainees probably heard the word BBQ and volunteered to go rather than stay in the barracks.
      I would bet dollars to donuts that if someone had said “I object to being here due to my religion or lack thereof” they would have been immediately removed from the site. Noone is going to throw a career away for something like this.

      • pennywit

        I’ve followed church-state issues off and on for a few years now. And I’ve read multiple accounts of atheist or agnostic service members feeling like their superiors are trying to coerce them into attending religious services or denigrating them for a lack of religious faith.

    • jim_m

      Bullshit. Plus if they were being indoctrinated into islam you would support it 100%

      • Scalia

        I highly doubt pennywit would support Muslim indoctrination. Although I strongly disagree with him over church-state separation, he’s pretty much against any government-sponsored religious activity.

        • pennywit

          Muslim indoctrination? Hell no. Soldiers exercising their rights to practice their religion? Fine, no matter what their religion is.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    Bombshell revelations about Russian collusion with Trump…..er, …wait,… but, but…..:

    “Before the Obama administration approved a controversial deal in 2010 giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews….”
    Ironies abound: who supervised the Russia investigation? Rod Rosenstein. Who was the FBI director when the Russia probe began in 2009? Robert Mueller. Who was running the FBI when the case ended with a whimper and an apparent cover-up? James Comey.

    • jim_m

      But when the left sells America to it’s enemies its because they are exacting righteous vengeance upon the US for its long history of evil.

      • Jwb10001

        No I think that’s incorrect, at least in this case. This I believe is pure greed.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    In the category of societies which have well and truly lost their way:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c71eb4d72dc8008bea3f6db1df9ce378d613d5010eb5afcd16187d47b617d86.jpg

    A Satanically clad drag queen reading to children at the Michelle Obama Library in Long Beach, California….Remember, public librarians invited this lunatic to come read books to children. And parents chose to send their little ones to hear it.

    • jim_m

      The good news(?) Is that most lefties killed their children in the womb rather than subject them to this.

      • Walter_Cronanty

        Ah, leave it to jim_m to always find the silver lining.

    • Scalia

      No wonder this country’s is such bad shape.

      • Walter_Cronanty

        I have looked at the comments to the story, hoping to find a cite proving this to be fake news. Nothing so far.

        If 9 years ago someone had posted that a creepily-dressed drag queen would be asked by a librarian to read books to children at the Michelle Obama library in order to celebrate “LGBTQ Month,” that person would have been branded a paranoid, homophobic, racist, bibliophobe. We’ve really come far in the last 20 years – the wrong direction and very, very far.

        • Brett Buck

          Agreed. I don’t really recognize this as part of my world or the world anyone would want to live in.

        • Scalia

          My friend, it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

    • Paul Hooson

      In all fairness, he may only be a children’s book author who dresses as characters to present his books to audiences who happens to be Gay. Clowns and others dress as characters. Being Gay doesn’t mean he isn’t not allowed to have a life like anyone else. The audience is there of their free will as well. If the presentation sucks, they can walk out any time they want.

      • Brett Buck

        Being Gay doesn’t mean he isn’t not allowed to have a life like anyone else. The audience is there of their free will as well. If the presentation sucks, they can walk out any time they want.

        The audience is CHILDREN for Christ’s sake, they don’t have fully developed free will nor can they just walk out. Children should NOT be exposed to this sort of perversion, either gender-wise or morality-wise (since it is dressed as a DEVIL WORSHIPPER).

        This thing has sever mental problems and needs to get treated – not lauded for its. But I will let it speak for itself:

        It’s so important to have representation and to normalize all the letters in LGBTQIA+ in everyday lives.

        … I hope to come back again soon!

        So there you go, admittedly dedicated to misleading little children into thinking this sort of perversion is “normalized” and hoping to stalk indcotrinate them again soon. Instead of being locked away until psychology comes up with a cure.

        BTW, you jumped to the conclusion that because it was a cross-dresser, it must be gay – gonna get the PC police on your ass, because those two aren’t necessarily coincident, according to leftist moron dogma.

        • pennywit

          Somebody get Brett Buck some smelling salts.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Somebody get pennywit some common sense.

          • pennywit

            Bret’s sounding a little over the top to me, with his talk of “perversion” and worshiping devils.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            If his mask isn’t supposed to convey demonic characteristics, what is it conveying?

            And you’re sounding to me a little like a progressive nitwit.

          • pennywit

            And you’re sounding to me a little like a progressive nitwit.

            Baldardash. I just don’t think I need to clutch my pearls here. Just tell your kids that people sometimes dress in costumes when they perform.

            As far as “demonic characteristics” — so what? It’s a costume. My imagination conjured about a million worse things when I read Stephen King books as a kid.

          • Scalia

            Homosexual acts are perverted, by definition, so there’s nothing over the top about it. A man dressing like a woman is also perverted.

          • pennywit

            Drag culture (which is distinct from transgenderism) isn’t going to be widely accepted anytime soon. Hell, I can’t stand drag shows, personally. They’re far bawdier than I like, and I prefer subtlety rather than excess when I see a performance. But, hey, if somebody wants to do it or watch it, not my problem.

            However, I have bad news for you. Americans already accept that gays should be able to have relationships, as long as it’s between consenting adults. And there’s a widespread acceptance of same-sex marriage as well.

            The world’s changing, Scalia.

          • Scalia

            But I’m not commenting on public opinion polls and/or what most people think. If somebody had taken a poll in Sodom and Gomorrah, they’d no doubt find substantial majorities supporting gay relationships.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Well said.

          • Brett Buck

            Oh, piss off, I was astonished at the absolutely ridiculous take from Hooson. Kids can’t “just walk out” when faced with such a situation, they are for all intents and purposes captive.

            And, completely as expected, a bunch of moral degenerates were there to try to indoctrinate them.

      • Walter_Cronanty

        “In all fairness, he may only be a children’s book author who dresses as characters to present his books to audiences who happens to be Gay.”
        He isn’t a “children’s book author” and his audience isn’t Gay – they’re children.

        • jim_m

          Paul needs to work on sentence construction. Not his best effort.

      • Scalia

        Being Gay doesn’t mean he isn’t not allowed to have a life like anyone else.

        Nobody said they couldn’t. Strike one.

        The audience is there of their free will as well.

        No, they weren’t. The children had no choice. Strike two.

        If the presentation sucks, they can walk out any time they want..

        No again. The children had no option, and if they had they and their parents would have been castigated for being homophobic, transphobic, etc., etc. Strike three.

        Gotta watch the ball a little more closely, Paul.

    • pennywit

      Drag queens aren’t my cup of tea, but Right Twitter seriously overreacted. It’s somebody in a costume reading to kids. Relax!

      • Walter_Cronanty

        Do you have children?

        • pennywit

          Stepson. I’ve been in his life about four years now, and he’s in his tween years. He’s interacted with drag queens a few times, and for the most part he doesn’t care one way or another.

          And honestly, I’m more concerned about the kid’s math grades than I am about whether he interacts with a drag queen.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Don’t know what “tween years” are.
            One can get good math grades without being subjected to propaganda trying to normalize the grossly abnormal.

          • pennywit

            The years from 10 to 13 or so — not really a little kid anymore, but not yet a teenager, either.

            Neither of the kid’s biological parents has any real opinions on drag queens or similar things, and neither do I. But we’re all concerned about the kid’s academic performance right now. It’s been particularly frustrating for me because I can’t figure out how to teach the kid concepts that are now as natural as breathing to me.

        • pennywit

          Also, I’ve never really cared for people who invoke the widdle children to justify something. It’s a pretty brazen emotional appeal designed to short-circuit judgment.

          • And yet you have used the tactic here yourself in an earlier discussion of gun control and accountability.

          • pennywit

            In what context?

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Yeah, those statutory rape laws are pretty brazenly emotional.

          • pennywit

            Entirely different.

      • Walter_Cronanty

        It is the ongoing effort to normalize the perverse, with children as the audience. Not a relaxing moment.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    Slow Joe Biden better on 1st Amendment than Gov. Kasich [good lord, I voted for Kasich – albeit before his never-Trump meltdown]:

    During a “Bridging the Divides” forum at the University of Delaware on Tuesday, former vice president Joe Biden and Ohio governor John Kasich were asked about free speech on college campuses — and Biden had the far better answer. “Liberals have a short memory . . . we hurt ourselves badly when we don’t allow speech to take place,” Biden said, according to a tweet from former CNN reporter Peter Hamby. “You should be able to listen to another point of view, as virulent as it may be, and reject it or expose it.”

    Kasich’s answer? That he wouldn’t “let one of these hate speech speakers come.”

    • Scalia

      Then Kasich will have somebody define his words as hate speech and ban him. His position is jaw-droppingly stupid.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    Update to my previous comment re: the Obama administration’s cover-up of bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States. FBI informant blocked from telling Congress about Russia nuclear corruption case, lawyer says:

    An American businessman who worked for years undercover as an FBI confidential witness was blocked by the Obama Justice Department from telling Congress about conversations and transactions he witnessed related to the Russian nuclear industry’s efforts to win favor with Bill and Hillary Clinton and influence Obama administration decisions, his lawyer tells The Hill….

    Toensing said she also possesses memos that recount how the Justice Department last year threatened her client when he attempted to file a lawsuit that could have drawn attention to the Russian corruption during the 2016 presidential race as well as helped him recover some of the money Russians stole from him through kickbacks during the FBI probe.
    The undercover client witnessed “a lot of bribery going on around the U.S.” but was asked by the FBI to sign a nondisclosure agreement (NDA) that prevents him from revealing what he knows to Congress, Toensing explained.

    When he tried to bring some of the allegations to light in the lawsuit last year, “the Obama Justice Department threatened him with loss of freedom. They said they would bring a criminal case against him for violating an NDA,” she added.

    • jim_m

      It becomes more and more obvious that the obama white house was a criminal conspiracy.

      • Indeed, it is becoming undeniable.

        • Except for those who’ve got a vested interest in maintaining the ‘sanctity’ of the WH and Congress, IE the career politicians who believe that someday – if they’re just smart and ruthless enough!- they’ll occupy that golden chair.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    At the risk of forever being banned from Wizbang, I am posting the following 3 historical pictures – the publication of which is apparently now a crime in Germany:

    Meanwhile, the district court in Munich recently sentenced a German journalist, Michael Stürzenberger, to six months in jail for posting on his Facebook page a historical photo of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, shaking the hand of a senior Nazi official in Berlin in 1941. The prosecution accused Stürzenberger of “inciting hatred towards Islam” and “denigrating Islam” by publishing the photograph.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7ab4ac3b5f5083c3f9739562d90fcdca0a53f050677870782605dfb942c35aff.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ab738096dcec13649f4a2750d2a1c560894665fa0287fd0419f19cbb3b09c6c6.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/464129c399d649c042d5830df65233c4e552bc12f9b1d49e1e2f17c0a40ff585.jpg

  • Retired military

    Sorry but I have to vent.
    Went to go see the movie The Snowman. Watching paint dry would be faster and more exciting. The only reason why I know who the killer is is because my sock drawer didnt need reorganizing. Seriously if you are thinking of going to see this movie DONT.

    • Walter_Cronanty
      • Scalia

        Well, that nixes my plans for next weekend.

        • Walter_Cronanty

          Sorry.

          • Scalia

            By the way, your link doesn’t work.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            OOPS!
            Try it now.

          • Scalia

            Works. Sounds pretty bad. I wonder if anybody liked it. My curiosity is extremely mild since I really didn’t plan to see it.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            I’ll bet it’s been at least a decade since I’ve seen a movie in a theater. I think the last time I was in a movie theater was for Star Wars 1. It was so disappointing, I waited until Star Wars 2 came out on DVD. That was so wretched I haven’t seen a Star Wars movie since – and haven’t been back to a theater.

            Between Hollywood’s awfulness and the NFL kneeling for the National Anthem, it’s no wonder all I do is work on my sons’ houses.

          • Scalia

            I haven’t boycotted the NFL, but with the Lions’ prospects dimming for yet another year, there’s not much excitement in the sports arena for me, especially with the Yankees folding in Houston.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    Ummm, about that Russian interference in the election supposedly helping Trump?
    “Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier”

  • Walter_Cronanty

    And then there’s this:

    The FBI’s Political Meddling
    Mueller is the wrong sleuth when his ex-agency is so tangled up with Russia….

    By any normal evidentiary, probative or journalistic measure, the big story here is the FBI—its politicized handling of Russian matters, and not competently so.

    To put it bluntly, whatever its hip-pocket rationales along the way, the FBI would not have so much to cover up now if it had not helped give us Mrs. Clinton as Democratic nominee and then, in all likelihood, inadvertently helped Mr. Trump to the presidency.