ANTIFA Murders 26 At First Baptist Church Of Sutherland Springs, Texas

The shooter has been identified as a former Air Force enlisted man who was dishonorably discharged after conviction at a trial by General Court Martial.  I shan’t repeat his name.

The ANTIFA shooter entered the church wearing black tactical clothing and proceeded to shoot at least 56 people, 26 of them fatally, before his weapon was wrested from him by a member of the congregation.  It further appears that the congregant who disarmed the ANTIFA assassin shot the ANTIFA terrorist who then fled and apparently died of his wounds off site.

UPDATE: It now appears an armed local resident engaged the shooter vice wresting the weapon from him and shooting him with it.  Some sources are retreating from the ANTIFA association.  Note also that a Trial by Court Martial (for possession of child pornography Assault on wife and children) resulting in a Dishonorable Discharge Bad Conduct Discharge is a Federal Felony Conviction and that this individual would have been barred from legally obtaining a firearm.

UPDATE Heh:

I’M GLAD TO SEE SOMEONE IN GOVERNMENT PUSHING PROVEN SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF POLITICAL GIMMICKS: Texas AG: Texans can use concealed-carry laws to stop mass shootings.

Anyone identified as ANTIFA should be treated as armed and dangerous.

Postscript

Former President [redacted] used the Texas church shooting that left 26 people dead on Sunday to call for fewer guns.

[Redacted] said that Americans should ask God for “the wisdom to ask what concrete steps we can take to reduce the violence and weaponry in our midst.”

“We grieve with all the families in Sutherland Springs harmed by this act of hatred, and we’ll stand with the survivors as they recover,” [redacted] wrote on Twitter. “May God also grant all of us the wisdom to ask what concrete steps we can take to reduce the violence and weaponry in our midst.”

I call Bullshit.

Texas Governor confirms my point about legal arms acquisition:

ANOTHER BLOW FOR THE NARRATIVE: Texas Gov. Abbot: Gunman was denied gun permit. “The gunman in Sunday’s mass shooting at a church in rural Texas was not legally eligible to buy firearms and had been denied a state gun permit, Gov. Greg Abbott (R) said Monday.”

And now we find the chAir Farce screwed the pooch.

But under federal law, anyone convicted of “a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year” is prohibited from possessing a firearm. The same is true for anyone convicted of “a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence” under a provision that allows no exception for the military or law enforcement.

Kelley’s conviction qualified under both categories, Christensen says.

An official at the Pentagon tells NPR’s Tom Bowman that a mistake resulted in neither the arrest nor the conviction being listed in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, the database that would have flagged him as ineligible to purchase a firearm.

“This was mishandled by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, where Kelley was serving when he was arrested,” Tom reports. “An investigation is now underway, and the Air Force is taking it very seriously, said the source.”

Secretary of Defense Mattis has ordered a DoD investigation of the Air Force’s failure to comply with the law.

UPDATE It all comes down to crazy control:

A 2012 police report shows that he escaped from the psychiatric hospital after making death threats against his superiors in the Air Force and trying to smuggle weapons onto the base where he was stationed.

Kelley escaped from Peak Behavioral Health Services, a facility in New Mexico, and was caught by police in El Paso, Texas on June 7, 2012.

A witness told police that Kelley “suffered from mental disorders and had plans to run to from Peak Behavioral Health Services” by purchasing a bus ticket to get out of the state.

Kelley “was a danger to himself and others as he had already been caught sneaking firearms onto Holloman Air Force base,” the witness stated. Kelley “was attempting to carry out death threats” on his superiors in the Air Force.

The report indicates that the incident was put into the FBI’s National Crime Information Center database.

Just two years later, Kelley was able to purchase a firearm in Colorado. He purchased three more guns over the next three years, although he was denied a concealed carry permit in Texas. The USAF took responsibility for his ability to purchase the guns, explaining that they never entered his domestic violence charge into the NCIC database.

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  • Scalia

    Hi, Rodney. I’ve been following the terrible news as well. Which report says he was Antifa?

    • There is a single link in my posting. Click on it.

      • yetanotherjohn

        Are you referring to the “together we rise” link in his facebook?

        • No.

          • Serendipity

            Show us a credible source for your assertion or retract it.

          • yetanotherjohn

            Then what link to antifa are you seeing?

          • Retired military

            Antifa is mentioned twice in the article linked. The second time is people are on his ex-wife’s facebook accusing him of it. The first time says that no link is known to exist to Antifa.

      • Scalia

        Ok, I just read the whole thing. Please help me because I appear to be missing it. I read where he wore black tactical gear, but I read nothing about the Antifa. I see that he liked some atheist websites, but nothing else.

        • jim_m

          I have not seen the Antifa link substantiated. But the atheist links are there. Also, he received a DD from the Air Force. Seems like he was a bad egg to start and decided to take out his left wing antipathy on a bunch of church goers.

          He’s burning in Hell where he belongs.

          • walkergw

            With lack of evidence, supposition works fine.

          • jim_m

            The only thing that lacks evidence is the Antifa connection and I wasn’t advancing that. I think everything else is fairly supported.

          • I’m building up a nice little database of e-mail and IP Addresses of the ANTIFA apologists who are flailing about here…

      • Scalia

        I read elsewhere that some groups were claiming there would be an Antifa uprising on November 4th. I’ve found nothing to substantiate that, but if this kook was influenced by any of the cross-talk, that might be where the rumor of his connections arose, but again, I’ve seen nothing solid.

        • ANTIFA was agitating for that very thing.

          • From all accounts I’ve seen, it failed miserably.

  • Paul Hooson

    This was an outrageous and very sad incident. These looked like very nice people who had every right to worship God in peace and security. There should be a special place in Hell for those that defile God’s own house like this.

  • jim_m

    Comments at Rodney’s link show that the shooter’s motherr in law attended the church. Seems this might just be a domestic dispute where he was getting back at his ex.

  • Retired military

    Where is the antifa tie in? i havent seen it anywhere but here. DO you have a link?

    • Wayne Arnold

      His FB page.

      • Scalia

        I’ve seen his Facebook page, but I didn’t see any Antifa association. Can you reproduce it here?

  • jim_m

    Dishonorably discharged for assaulting his wife and children. Placed in military prison for the crime.

    He could not own guns legally. When the current laws would have made his possessing guns illegal, what further laws would have changed that?

    • Ground Forces (Army and Air Force) “Prisons” are referred to as “Stockades.” Sea Services as “Brigs.”

    • I sometimes think the antigun folks don’t really care about the laws that already exist – those are irrelevant. They more hate the idea that someone can tell them ‘No’ when they go really far off the rails, and then back up their refusal.

      • The common leftard theme: “That didn’t work, let’s try it some more!”

    • Retired military

      AF has admitted that they failed to enter him into the database which would have prohibited him from owning guns.
      I am frankly shocked that they made this admission as it is the propensity of most officers to cover things up to try to save their career. As it stands they may try to use the person who didnt do the paperwork as a scapegoat and say they arent legally responsible but I see that flying about as far as I can throw an F-15 with one hand. My prediction is a multihundred million dollar lawsuit against the AF and the people will probably win it and IMO they should.

      • jim_m

        Who’s going to sue? He killed the whole church. there’s hardly anyone left.

        • And, they’d be suing the Federal Government…

          • jim_m

            Yep. Yet another reason why we should do away with the concept of sovereign immunity.

          • Retired military

            They would be suing the AF not the federal govt (yes the AF is part of the fed govt but it is a bit different).

            As to who will sue? Any living relative of the people killed and also plenty of people (at least 20) that were wounded.

            The AF will pay a settlement (most likely nondisclosed) as they want to make this go away more than anything else.

            Whoever the person is that is responsible will be hung out to dry (deservedly). Also I believe soveign immunity only happens when you do your job. Not when you dont do it.

            I remember at least one case where there was a brain surgeon who was found to be about half blind in one eye and which caused the deaths of like 6 patients. He was courtmartialled and found guilty and lost pay and benefits (which were awarded to him on appeal several years later when everything had died down). This doctor was either a full COL or else a general . Family members of the ones who died are the ones who sued.

            Chances are the person in charge of filing the right paperwork here was a low level clerk and wont be spared. I would bet that they are already looking for a new job if they are a civilian or else getting ready for UCMJ if they are active duty.

  • walkergw

    Its as likely that Russia started the rumor that he was ANTIFA than that he was ANTIFA. In fact, I think it is even more so.

    • I see you are joining Donna Brazile on the “soon to be a suicide” list of the Clinton Crime Family dhimmocrats, yours no doubt by autoerotic asphyxia.

      • walkergw

        Grow a brain and come back and try again.

    • Vagabond661

      After this weekend of fizzled takeovers, no need to capitalize antifake….uhm….antifa.

      • walkergw

        There were never any plans for a take over. You’ve been had. Don’t worry. You will fall for it again.

        • Vagabond661

          Nah. I ignored it. They are a joke. Their mascot is an opossum. Turn over a couple of trash cans and then get hit by a car.

          • Cleaning all that shit out of the wheel wells is a shitty job.

        • Sky__Captain

          Oh boy, another mental midget.

      • Especially since they are lower case fascists.

  • pennywit

    According to recent reports, the man targeted this church because his wife’s family goes there. Also, it looks like he was given a bad conduct discharge, rather than a dishonorable discharge, from the Air Force.

    Personally, I want to know how this man got his guns, where he got them, and the circumstances of the sales, especially considering he was turned down for a permit. Then we can decide whether any gun-control laws need to be tightened or whether a gun-seller needs to be prosecuted.

    • jim_m

      I said that this looked like a domestic from the outset.

      Also, even if he only received a bad conduct discharge, Gov Abbot said that he was not able to legally purchase a firearm in the state of Texas. Assuming that the Governor is correct (and I would assume that he is), then what is the point of new legislation when our existing laws are not being enforced?

      • Big dose of crazy as well… Looks like the Trial by Court Martial was the easier and quicker way for the AF to separate the crazy bastard without paying for his psychiatric care.

    • pennywit

      Somebody in the Air Force needs to be drawn and quartered, and the service needs to cut very large checks for the victims and their families. Possibly even guarantee them medical care for life.

      • Scalia

        Agreed. That’s outrageous.

      • Drawing and Quartering was the reason the Constitutional Convention forbade “cruel and unusual” punishment.

        • pennywit

          And here I thought it was Full House reruns.

          • They had not been exposed to that particular torture…

          • pennywit

            I believe they were foretold in Revelations …

        • pennywit

          Wait a second. As I recall, the prohibition on “cruel and unusual” punishment is not in the original Constitution put to the states for approval, but in the Bill of Rights.

          • I sit corrected. Amendment 8. Note that the Bill of Rights was predominantly proposed by Representative James Madison and 12 amendments were approved by the First Congress and sent to the states for ratification.

            Articles Three through Twelve were ratified as additions to the Constitution on December 15, 1791, and became Amendments One through Ten of the Constitution. Article Two became part of the Constitution on May 5, 1992, as the Twenty-seventh Amendment. Article One is technically still pending before the states.

            Note that this was a direct response to anti-Federalist arguments against ratification.

            I’d really like to see Article One adopted:

            After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.

            At 323,100,000 that would be 6,462 Representatives.

  • Toby Yule

    Latest information is that he got a Bad Conduct Discharge, which does not revoke his gun ownership rights, but Texas refused him a carry permit for so far undisclosed reasons. A Dishonorable Discharge would have made him a felon ineligible to own a gun.

    • Wrong.

      Note also that a Trial by Court Martial (for Assault on wife and children) resulting in a Bad Conduct Discharge is a Federal Felony Conviction and that this individual would have been barred from legally obtaining a firearm.

      • jim_m

        It seems that the standards in our military were even more seriously degraded under obama than our readiness.

      • Retired military

        Domestic violence also blocks in most states. Not sure about TX but believe so here as well.

  • Par4Course

    Texas does not require a permit to own or carry a gun but a background check is required in all states to purchase a firearm. The Sutherland Springs shooter was able to buy a gun because (1) the Air Force failed to report his record of domestic violence to the State of Texas, so that it didn’t show up on his background check and (2) he lied on his background check form. We need better enforcement of existing laws not more laws restricting gun ownership.

  • pennywit

    Well, I didn’t pay enough attention in Bible class at age 8. I was already plotting the liberal secularist takeover of America.

    Besides … doesn’t Revelation also talk about the Antichrist?

    http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Michelle-S04-full-house-1172646_295_342.jpg

    • Scalia

      Yes, it does, but the overall purpose is to reveal Jesus, including His work of redemption. That theme recurs throughout the book using much imagery found elsewhere in the Bible. Interpreting the imagery how it is used elsewhere is a great aid in understanding it.