Drumbeat Continues to Drive Moore from Alabama’s Senate Race & OPEN THREAD

From TheHill:

Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), who leads the Senate GOP campaign arm, is calling on the Senate to expel embattled Alabama GOP nominee Roy Moore if Moore wins December’s special election.

“I believe the individuals speaking out against Roy Moore spoke with courage and truth, proving he is unfit to serve in the United States Senate and he should not run for office,” said Gardner, who is the first GOP senator to publicly raise the specter of expulsion.

“If he refuses to withdraw and wins, the Senate should vote to expel him, because he does not meet the ethical and moral requirements of the United States Senate,” he said.

Gardner’s statement came hours after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said he believed the women making accusations against Moore and the candidate should step aside.
Under the Senate rules, a vote of two-thirds of the body can expel a senator. That would be historic — the Senate hasn’t expelled a member since 1862.

Gardner’s words go further than his initial condemnation of Moore in the immediate aftermath of The Washington Post’s report on Thursday when a woman named Leigh Corfman claimed Moore had a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 years old and he was 32.

Three other women also told the newspaper that Moore pursued them while they were teenagers, but all of those women were above the state’s age of consent at the time and none said any sexual contact occurred outside of kissing.

Last week, Gardner was one of the first GOP lawmakers to condemn Moore, calling on him to step down “if these allegations are found true.”

Moore has adamantly denied the claims made in The Washington Post and has threatened to sue the paper.

On Monday, Moore faced a new accusation.

Beverly Young Nelson held a press conference with lawyer Gloria Allred, and accused Moore of assaulting her decades ago, when she was 16.

Never mind the fact that Corfman has credibility problems. Never mind the fact that Moore was unmarried at the time, and the other women who initially accused him were above the age of consent. Never mind the fact that though many would find the age differential inappropriate, Moore did nothing illegal. He, nonetheless, must be run out of the race because….well….because Democrats and the GOP Establishment say so.

The wheels were coming off of this rather rapidly. Alabamans weren’t buying the stories and Moore was holding a double-digit lead when another bombshell landed a couple of days ago.

Now, another woman, Beverly Young Nelson, is accusing Moore of attempted rape. She insists she is a Trump supporter, but believes that now is the time to produce her revelation of a decades-old attack. Roy Moore has been in the public eye for a very long time. Why now? In fact, if Nelson is as conservative as she says, why did she run to Gloria Allred? Aren’t there any attorneys in Alabama? Why did Nelson look for the services of an out-of-state Democrat to level her charges against Moore?

It sounds to me like the real cause of angst is Moore’s politics. I really believe the GOPe is so opposed to Trump, they would do anything to cripple Trump’s agenda and to ensure  he’s a one-term president, including losing the Senate.

Sorry, but a decades-old accusation doesn’t cut it. Clinton had numerous women accuse him, but the Democrats never howled for him to resign. The Left couldn’t care less about women’s rights. They’re only using the issue as a political weapon.

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  • Scalia

    GQ names Kaepernick ‘Citizen of the Year’:

    Colin Kaepernick has been named GQ Magazine’s 2017 “Citizen of the Year.”

    GQ referred to Kaepernick as “the man who became the movement.”

    “Much has changed in the four years since Colin Kaepernick was last on the cover of GQ. Back then he was a rippling superhero of a quarterback on the rise,” the magazine wrote.

    “But a simple act — kneeling during the national anthem — changed everything. It cost him his job. It also transformed Colin Kaepernick into a lightning rod and a powerful symbol of activism and resistance.”

    I think Chump of the Year is more appropriate.

  • Scalia

    Roger Goodell reportedly requests $50 million salary, lifetime private jet in contract talks:

    NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell reportedly has requested nearly $50 million per year in addition to the lifetime use of a private jet amid contract negotiations with the league.

    Goodell, whose proposed contract with the NFL currently is undergoing an approval process, asked the league’s compensation committee in August to raise his salary from $30 million to $49.5 million per year, ESPN reported Sunday.

    Goodell also reportedly asked to use a private jet for life, and also requested lifetime health insurance for his family.

    The commissioner currently is embattled with Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, who has threatened to sue the NFL if negotiations regarding Goodell’s contract extension are finalized without approval from all NFL team owners.

    An unnamed NFL owner told ESPN that there are “several owners in this league who don’t make $40 million a year.” The owner added: “That number for Roger just seems too much. It’s offensive. It’s unseemly.”

    Goodell has made headlines in recent months for his handling of league players protesting during the national anthem ahead of NFL games.

    Nothing wrong with Goodell negotiating for what he thinks he’s worth. I just don’t think he’s worth that much. In fact, I think he should find another job.

    • Jwb10001

      I will do it for $1 million and do a 10X better job, and I have zero idea what I’m doing. I could screw it up royally and still be better than that idiot.

    • pennywit

      Whoever wrote “The commissioner currently is embattled with … ” ought to be waterboarded. Or perhaps beaten to death with a pica pole.

      • Scalia

        On another note, the Skins did great against the Hawks. Cousins did his best Matthew Stafford imitation on that final drive. I really thought they’d move forward against the Vikings, but their defense collapsed. Still, their offense made it close.

        • pennywit

          The Lions and the Skins are in similar places — somewhere in the middle of the NFL pack. Has anybody checked on Walter lately? The Browns …

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Went to my grandson’s 4th birthday party last Sunday. My son had the Browns on. For the 2nd time this year [watched the 1st game of the season as I was unaware of the anthem kneeling bs], I watched quite a bit of the game. That’s enough for this season. What a complete and utter disaster that team is. Only question is: Who’s going to be left in front office and on the coaching staff at the end of the season?

          • pennywit

            Hue Jacksodent?

          • Walter_Cronanty

            More like Hue and Cry.

          • pennywit

            Bad Hue, More?

          • Walter_Cronanty

            Hue betcha.

          • pennywit

            Just Sashi away?

          • Scalia

            Groan.

          • Retired military

            I’d rather just Sushi away. I find it more raw.

          • Walter_Cronanty

            I think the Browns’ genius analytics guy is going to knocked off De Podestal.

    • Hank_M

      A salary request of almost 50 million and he still wants lifetime health insurance?
      Says a LOT about how screwed up the health care industry is today.

      • jim_m

        Yep. We will treat anyone, even Roger Goodell.

  • pennywit

    If I lived in Alabama, I would not have voted for Roy Moore before these allegations came out. I also would not vote for him after these allegations. I suspect that the majority of Alabamans feel similarly. That is, if they were for or against Moore before these allegations, they remain in the same position afterward.

    That said, I think it is highly likely that if Roy Moore wins the election, House and Senate Republicans will swallow their objections and work with him. The GOP Senate majority is so small that they won’t want to alienate anybody who offers even nominal allegiance to the party.

    A couple miscellaneous points:

    * The Washington Post rather thoroughly sourced its initial story. The reporters stated they interviewed 20 or more sources regarding Moore’s history and the allegations.

    * The accusations so far are only the beginning. As the Weinstein, Spacey, and Clinton stories show us, these things have a tendency to snowball.

    * McConnell et. al. (the “GOPe” to everyone here) initially prefaced their condemnations with “If the allegations are true … ” This was to give Moore an opportunity to defend himself. His defense, such as it was, did not meet their standards.

    * Scalia’s miscellaneous point regarding Bill Clinton has some counter-arguments — chiefly that Bill Clinton has already faced punishment (impeachment) for his deeds. However, it is also not entirely wrong. As the #MeToo hashtag campaign gains steam, it’s a bit disconcerting that people like Weinstein, Spacey, and Louis CK are becoming personas non grata, yet Bill Clinton remains welcome at cocktail hour.

    • Jwb10001

      The timing is very suspicious, only after there is no turning back do we hear of all these misdeeds from decades ago. Seems we could have gotten this out say before the primary. Oh well, it doesn’t matter to me one way or the other, it’s just a bunch of hypocrites calling out other hypocrites. As far as I’m concerned they can all drown in the swamp of their own making. Kennedy’s, Clinton’s, Hastert, Packwood, Lukins, Edwards, Reynolds the list is long and distinguished. If being a scum bag was disqualifying most of our elected officials would have to step down. I suppose now this will be the favored 11th hour tactic to continue the destruction of our electoral process. I was good while it lasted.

      • Paul Hooson

        The timing is not suspicious at all here. The Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey sexual assault claims have made claimed victims feel more courage to speak up, where previously fear and shame made any abuse a private nightmare for the victims.

        • jim_m

          The reality is that historically, false claims against conservatives appear miraculously out of nowhere when the left is desperate to stop someone. Anita HIll dopelgangers materialize suddenly to spout bogus accusations at almost always the same moment in an election or confirmation.

          Why should we feel compelled to believe this one? Fuck the left and their dirty tactics. If Moore is guilty and gets elected the fault is not the right’s but the left’s because they have lied so much that people were left with no reason to give any credence to the accusations. Add to that fact that having the GOPe opposed to a candidate from the right is just about the strongest endorsement that can be given today and I’m willing to bet Moore wins.

          • Paul Hooson

            One big problem is that this Alabama senate race is not against some wild-eyed liberal democrat and Moore. Doug Jones is a tough former prosecutor who prosecuted two of the KKK members who bombed a Baptist church in 1963, killing four young black girls and wounding others. Doug Jones is a very law and order candidate and would be one of the most conservative of any senate democrats. Mainstream conservative republicans can’t find much room to disagree with Jones if Moore seems too objectionable for their tastes.

          • Scalia

            It’s not a “big problem” at all. If Jones were that conservative, the Dems would have nothing to do with him. It’s not like Jones is a Zell Miller. The Dems desperately want to take back the Senate so they can block all of Trump’s judicial nominations, including any to the Supreme Court.

          • Jwb10001

            Do you have anything besides he prosecuted 2 KKK members for murder to show he’s a conservative? Hell Bernie Sanders would prosecute KKK members would that make him a conservative?

        • Jwb10001

          OK Paul whatever you say. One could also argue this Weinstein stuff and all the other accusations are a quick and easy way to undermine someone without having to prove anything. Especially when Moore can no longer be replaced on the ballot. But whatever like I said doesn’t matter to me one way or the other, he’d just be another creep in congress.

    • jim_m

      Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury(look it up) and has never faced a reckoning for rape and sexual misconduct. Moreover, his trips to pedo island were swept under the carpet by a media still willing to cover for him to the point of glossing over possible child rape and involvement with human trafficking.

      Both he as his dirtbag enabler, er wife, need to serve time in prison.

      • Retired military

        Pennywit never addressed the dem machine and the MSM who did nothing but cover up for Bill as well. Nor was a mention made of Hillary and her efforts to destroy anyone who opened their mouth about Bill’s sleaze. Both are just about as bad as what Bill did but not a peep from the left until now that Hillary is pretty much out of contentiomn (she just doesnt know it yet) and Bill is a has been and cant do anything for them.

    • “The GOP Senate majority is so small that they won’t want to alienate anybody who offers even nominal allegiance to the party.”

      I think they’ll refuse to work with him. He’s ‘not their kind’, after all. And increasing the majority will make it harder to mask their determination to not get anything effective done.

      • Retired military

        Laws dont matter to dems. Look at what they did with Torticelli in NJ.

    • Stinks of campaign dirty tricks. There is not enough evidence to warrant prosecution, let alone conviction, in any court beyond that of public opinion.

      • Paul Hooson

        Any statute of limitations has expired to prosecute for rape or sexual assault of minors for these old examples here. But, what isn’t clear is whether any more recent examples have happened such as illegal sexual computer communications with minor chatmates or other offenses . It is pretty uncommon for those who commit sexual offenses against children to somehow stop their behavior entirely, where it is not a lifelong behavior. For this reason, psychologists and other workers find that treatment of these type of offenders is a difficult one.

        Probably there is not grounds to get a warrant to seize his computer to see if he has any more recent sexual communications with minors, however any new revelation could open this door to legal problems for Moore. Another Alabama law enforcement official was recently convicted of sexual offenses against minors, with his computer providing the evidence of these crimes.

        If Moore liked 14 year olds when he was 32, it hardly seems likely that he would stop liking 14 year olds today. Despite his achievements, his sexuality seems to be caught in some juvenile phase to be attracted to girls so absurdly young and not of an older legal age.

        With so much outlandish theatrical behavior and now this, it seems very naive and self-deluding for any rational person to not view Moore as unfit for public office or to sit as a judge. I have little doubt that the full senate would not hesitate to unseat Moore as senator if Alabama voters do not move to replace or reject them on their own accord.

        • Retired military

          Yeah. I mean they already unseated Menedez for this bribery scandal right?? Oh wait. They havent. In fact you will be lucky to find it mentioned for more than 5 seconds (if any) on the Mainstream “news” shows.
          But since the GOPe and the dems want to get rid of Moore they may try some crap like you talk about.

        • Get back to us when you have information sufficient for and indictment and prosecution.

  • pennywit

    I came across this today:

    She has pulmonary hypertension and when she’s not bedridden, she has to carry an oxygen tank that allows her to breathe. At times, she has had screws in her bones to anchor her breathing device. She may soon have no option for a cure except a heart and lung transplant – an extremely risky procedure.

    All this could have been prevented in her infancy by closing a small congenital hole in her heart. It could even have been successfully treated in later years, before irreversible damage was done. But Mariah’s parents were fundamentalist Mormons who went off the grid in northern Idaho in the 1990s and refused to take their children to doctors, believing that illnesses could be healed through faith and the power of prayer.

    I’m absolutely appalled when people practice their religion in a way that harms their children. And I’m appalled that in many states, the law allows them to do so. Yes, I recognize that these absolutely are fringe loonies who do not represent religious folk as a whole. But this legalized harm still grates.

    • Scalia

      Yes, I’m pretty upset by this kind of stuff too. Not only is it appalling from a personal standpoint, they don’t have a biblical leg to stand on.

  • Scalia

    Mattel announces Ibtihaj Muhammad doll, the first Barbie to wear a hijab:

    Olympic fencer Ibtihaj Muhammad is quite a doll – literally. She’s thrilled to have inspired a Barbie in her likeness, and especially proud that the doll will be the first Barbie to wear a hijab. “This is a childhood dream come true,” she posted. The doll is part of the “She-ro” line.

    “We are so excited to honor Ibtihaj Muhammad with a one-of-a-kind Barbie doll!” Mattel posted. “Ibtihaj continues to inspire women and girls everywhere to break boundaries.”

    • pennywit

      If Ms. Muhammad chooses to wear a hijab, that’s her business. If somebody wants to create a doll in her likeness, that doll probably needs to also wear a hijab to preserve accuracy. That’s the end of the story for me.

      • Scalia

        Perhaps, but when have you seen a Barbie nun? Do we see Barbies in the likeness of Mother Teresa? Nope, but Muslim is in, I guess.

        • pennywit

          I think Mother Theresa would roll over in her grave at the thought of a Barbie version of her. And while I haven’t seen Barbie nuns, I’ve seen plenty of nun-themed merchandise, including the famous boxing nun.

          But this is a thing for the free market, no? Let us see if there is a market for this doll.

          • fustian24

            Can we expect that Jihadi Ken will be coming soon?

          • Walter_Cronanty

            …with a really cool suicide vest.

          • Scalia

            But the point is that though Mattel doesn’t hesitate to “celebrate” diversity with a hijab-wearing Barbie,it apparently never occurred to them to celebrate Christianity. Whether or not Mother Teresa would approve is irrelevant.

            Christianity is the bad kid on the block because of its defense of biblical morality, but Islam’s more extreme positions not only get a pass, they get a doll!

          • pennywit

            Thing is … the “classic” Barbie is your basic white, blonde woman — presumably she attends church once in a while when she’s not hanging out in the Dream House. Are you upset that there hasn’t been an explicitly Christian Barbie?

          • Meanwhile, no fundamentalist mohammedean would allow his chattel slave female to possess anyting as representational as a doll…

          • Scalia

            Are you upset that there hasn’t been an explicitly Christian Barbie?

            No. I’m upset that the first time Mattel ventures into the arena of religion, they pick Islam. The first time they want to “honor” somebody who wears religion on their sleeve (well, head), it’s a Muslim. I’m wondering if it’s due to an anti-Christian bias.

          • pennywit

            So … should I whine about anti-atheist bias because nobody’s Richard Dawkins action figures or a Madalyn Murray O’Hair doll?

          • Scalia

            That’s up to you. I wouldn’t put them in the same category, but atheists have been grumbling for a very long time about systemic bias. To each his own.

            It’s like when Google celebrated Ramadan while ignoring Easter. If they simply didn’t do anything of a religious nature, that would be one thing, but for them to go out of their way to celebrate Islam and unconvincingly state that they intended no slight against Christianity, they clearly show their bias.

            It’s just another brick in the wall.

          • pennywit

            I wouldn’t. Richard Dawkins with Atheist Kung Fu Grip sounds like an awful action figure. Besides, I don’t need to see my particular group represented everywhere.

            If they simply didn’t do anything of a religious nature, that would be one thing, but for them to go out of their way to celebrate Islam and unconvincingly state that they intended no slight against Christianity, they clearly show their bias.

            Not really what I see here. From where I sit, there’s a general social history of blithely honoring Christian culture (Christmas, Easter, etc.) without really acknowledging the non-Christians who live among us. A Diwali display or Eid greetings are a simple recognition of diversity. It strikes me as rather grinch-like to snap at corporate actors because they don’t acknowledge your personal cultural symbols in a way that satisfies you.

          • Scalia

            And I don’t mind their inclusiveness. Easter is a pretty big holiday here. Ignoring it was deliberate. I mean, they couldn’t even secularize it with a bunny and a Happy Easter.

            It doesn’t stop there. Stores all over my area are going out of their way to delete EVERY Christmas song with a religious theme. I think it was at JC Penney where we heard the beginning of Joy to the World when it was immediately stopped and replaced with something like Jingle Bells. Of course, it’s their choice what they want to play, but I see that as a deliberate slight.

            We need to get back to tolerance on all levels. I can tolerate Ramadan celebrations and songs like Here Comes Santa Claus (even though we refused to celebrate him in our home). It’s getting to the place where corporations are refusing to tolerate Christianity lest they offend somebody. If inclusiveness, diversity and non-offense are the real reasons for what they’re doing, then they’d have no problem with acknowledging Christianity.

          • …All in all…

    • Paul Hooson

      Mattel, along with Hasbro, are two of the leading American toy brands founded and owned by Jewish families. My take is that Jews are trying to reach out to Muslims in a friendly and brotherhood way here with this notion. Even Israel claims they have only five enemies in the world, Iran, North Korea, Yemen, Afghanistan and Iraq, where most Muslims or Arabs are not viewed as enemies of Israel currently, and have improving relations with Israel. Israel was the only ally of the U.S. to vote with the U.S. against a UN resolution calling for the U.S. to drop sanctions on Cuba in a 191 to 2 vote.

      • jim_m

        Both are publicly traded companies and it would be a real stretch to say that Mattel’s board is dominated by jewish members or that Hasbro’s executive management were anything but predominantly WASPs.

        Your take is bullshit. These are typical companies run by rich lefties who are more intent on virtue signalling than they are on making the companies sound.

        • Paul Hooson

          I don’t know everything about the current management of either company beyond stock investing. Hasbro is by far the better managed of the two companies as Mattel let many movie licensing deals elapse, and Hasbro picked up the contracts. If you want to make money, it is far better invested in Hasbro than Mattel.

          • jim_m

            Hasbro has made approaches recently to buy Mattel. Go read the freaking papers.

          • Paul Hooson

            Mattel is a weaker business and ripe for the picking by stronger businesses. Hasbro was founded as a pencilbox company, however the sons of the founders realized that future was in toys like Mr. Potato Head, and later GI Joe, but now movie toy licensing. Mattel, on the other hand makes too many business mistakes and struggles to keep Barbie relevant and fresh as other dolls chip into that market and other business errors.

          • fustian24

            Oil exploration stocks have to be a crummy place to be right now.

  • Scalia

    Politically motivated hotel opening in D.C. to be safe haven for liberals:

    An anti-Trump themed hotel marketing itself as a safe haven for liberals is planning to open in late spring 2018 in Washington, Bloomberg reported.

    Boasting itself as the world’s first politically motivated hotel, the Eaton Workshop chain of hotels will be built around community engagement and integrating a liberal philosophy into every aspect of the guest experience. The Washington Hotel, Eaton’s flagship location, with subsequent sites planned in Hong Kong, San Francisco, and Seattle by 2019.

    Katherine Lo, the founder of Eaton Workshop, told Bloomberg that the Washington location will include amenities that cater to public activism including TED Talks-inspired fireside chats and lectures, co-working space for progressive startups, activists, and artists, a writer’s residency, where investigative reporters can pursue stories and a multimedia studio where artists can create short films, podcasts, and other content in line with Eaton’s philosophy.

    The lobby of the hotel will contain footage from the presidential elections of 2012 and 2016 posing the question: “How did our country get where it is today?” The minibar will include an activist toolkit that will include information on how to contact your congress member as well as material for making posters for demonstrations, Newsweek reported.

    “And if we’d been open during this year’s Women’s March, I could have seen us putting poster boards and markers in the rooms,” Lo said.

    Lo says that messages will be suited to each property. In Hong Kong, for instance, she wants to replace Bibles in nightstand drawers with copies of the U.N. Declaration for Human Rights.

    • Jwb10001

      No sorry not allowed. As I read somewhere else, make them bake the cake. They made the rules time to live up to them.

    • pennywit

      Last year, I stayed in a nice little boutique hotel in New York City. The decor was a sort of (I guess) industrial chic. There was a lot of artwork by local artists around, and some interesting books in the room. The room desk also had a little journal in it that stayed in the room, and little sign encouraging guests to exercise their creativity. I left behind a little poem about New York traffic and the skyline. Not my best work, but y’know. It was a neat, little creative hotel. But it also didn’t try to cram a political agenda down my throat.

      I’ve also been to accommodations that were built around art themes (including one that offered a special weekend getaway where aspiring painters could take classes) and other quirky or strange elements.

      All of these, though, met the basic obligations of a bed to sleep in, a bathroom to shower in, and a pleasant environment. This hotel just seems … weird.

      Katherine Lo comes from a hotel-owning family. So she should know what she’s doing. But … how the hell is this thing supposed to work? A hotel earns money because the National Conference of Important Businessmen holds conventions there, and because locals are willing to hold their bar mitzvahs, bat mitzvahs, weddings, and quinceañeras there. Is this hotel going to fit the ballrooms, business center, and conference rooms somewhere between the art studios and activist spaces?

      The whole concept — activist toolkits, pseudo-TED talks, a writer in residence, and social justice around every corner — seems more suited to a youth hostel, or a quirky B & B than a hotel.

      • It might be interesting to stay there… I’m thinking it’ll be more than a cheap Trump room, though.

        Signalling virtue ain’t cheap, you know…

        • pennywit

          They quoted a price point of around $200/night, which is about average for a decent DC hotel room.

          • They can quote whatever they want, before they open.

            “Oh, we realized in order to stay in business we needed to actually cover all our costs…”

          • Wild_Willie

            If they were truly liberal they would use $200.00 as a ‘no obligation honorarium’ for those that can’t or choose to not pay.

    • Hank_M

      What a great idea. Cause if there’s one thing that everyone wants, it’s for politics to infest every aspect of their lives.

      • For some people, they can’t get beyond it – it DOES infest every area of their lives.

        • pennywit

          This reminds me. About fifteen years ago, my then-girlfriend and I stayed at a hotel in Vermont. On the way in, I immediately thought, “Somebody was murdered here.” I didn’t voice my opinion, though, because it was silly.

          The room’s furniture was 1960s rejects. The water in the bathroom barely flowed.

          And I had nightmares. in the middle of my nightmare, still unconscious, I started punching my then-girlfriend until she woke me up. I don’t know exactly what I was dreaming about, precisely, but it involved somebody attacking me. And my behavior scared her shitless.

          We left that motel VERY quickly.

          • Retired military

            My female Company CDR once told me about her and her husband had their honeymoon at a B&B that was about 250 years old. She said that houses that old always have ghost stories associated with them. Anyway she said she woke up the next morning and her husband was just standing by the door staring. She asked what he was staring at and he said that he had woken up and saw a women laying in next to her and she had disappeared. I asked her “Ma’am when he woke up and saw the ghost and you laying next to him did he smile?”
            She just laughed and said “you’ll never know”

  • Scalia

    California promises free community college tuition, but how will it pay?:

    Weeks after Gov. Jerry Brown signed AB 19, which waives fees for first-time freshmen at California community colleges, officials in the Los Rios Community College District are wondering where the money will come to pay for the tuition breaks.

    AB 19, authored by Assemblyman Miguel Santiago (D-Los Angeles), would expand upon the current Board of Governors’ fee waiver for low-income students, recently renamed the California Promise Grant. The new grant would waive the first year of fees for all first-time, full-time students attending a California community college, regardless of need.

    National educational advocates like the College Promise Campaign celebrated the bill’s passage as a step toward their ultimate goal of free college education in the United States – a movement that experienced a surge in popularity during the 2016 presidential campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

    “By signing the California Promise bill into law, Gov. Jerry Brown is providing much-needed support for the state’s estimated 2.1 million community college students,” said College Promise Campaign director Martha Kanter in an emailed statement. “Now more students in the Golden State who believed higher education was beyond their means will pursue college.

    Implementation of the program is still contingent, however, on securing funds – one of the reasons that Gov. Brown’s own Department of Finance opposed AB 19.

    In its August analysis of AB 19, the finance department said the bill “creates significant new and ongoing Proposition 98 General Fund costs that are not included in the Governor’s Budget plan.” The Department estimated that this strain, coupled with the loss of student fee revenues, could reduce funding for community college districts by anywhere from $30 to $50 million.”

    • pennywit

      Not clear to me from this excerpt: Is this waiving tuition, or tuition and fees? Those are usually separate line items on the college bill.

      • “Yes, your tuition’s been waived. Fees have been tripled, however. Your semester parking pass is now $1500.”

        • Jwb10001

          And we’ll need a 35% sales tax on everything, toll sidewalks and taking up space fee.

  • Scalia

    KSP: Elderly homeowner shoots, kills man during home invasion:

    GRAVES COUNTY, Tenn. (WKRN) – An elderly homeowner shot and killed one of three suspects after he was robbed and assaulted, according to the Kentucky State Police.

    The story came together after authorities say the shooting victim, 46-year-old Timothy Roper, showed up to the Jackson Purchase Medical Center at 9:30 p.m.

    Roper died at the hospital, police said.

    An investigation revealed he was one of three suspects who forced their way into a home on McNeil Road in Boaz late Monday night.

    The homeowner, an elderly man, was reportedly robbed and assaulted before he shot Roper in the upper torso.

    Roper’s two alleged accomplices, Miranda Murphy and Joshua White, were ultiamtely arrested the following night on Tuesday by Kentucky State Police.

    Both were charged with complicity to commit first-degree burglary and complicity to commit first-degree robbery.

    Murphy was also charged with first-degree possession of a controlled substance (methamphetamine).

    • The two survivors should also be on the hook for felony murder since their accomplice died from wounds received during the course of the underlying felony robbery.

  • Retired military

    IF and I say IF he is guilty then he needs to get out and go away and maybe go to jail depending on the statue of limitations. IF innocent he needs to fight every step of the way. If he is innocent and this works to get him out of office then the dems will do this with anyone they dont like. Meanwhile they protected Bill for years along with their cohorts in the media.

  • Retired military
    • jim_m

      Never. It’s different when they are doing it. They don’t care what lives are ruined in their pursuit of power.

    • I can only wish. The guy gives off a really creepy vibe.

  • Paul Hooson

    He pretty well implicated himself in a Sean Hannity interview, using some pretty cute evasive language rather than any direct denial language and even stupidly claimed that he did not date minors without their mother’s “permission,” as if dating children was like some class field trip. Further, he signed a high school student’s yearbook with romantic language when he was a 32 year old assistant district attorney. Only because more abuse victim’s feel more free to speak after the Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey sexual assault claims are they also willing to speak out against Moore and other high profile claimed abusers. I think more than enough of a standard of evidence exists that would seal a civil case against Moore, but not a criminal case if it ever came to that point.

    • Scalia

      One does not have to insist that Moore’s signature was forged in the yearbook. I have little doubt that he signed it, but he may have signed quite a few things back then, including yearbooks. If he frequented a restaurant and a girl asked him to sign her yearbook, why would he refuse to sign? Here’s what he wrote:

      To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say, ‘Merry Christmas.’ Love, Roy Moore DA, 12-22-77, Olde Hickory House.

      Nothing here to indicate that he raped her, so your use of it to implicate him in rape is what really takes more faith than a grain of mustard seed, Paul.

      Moreover, as I stated in my lead post, if she’s such a conservative who feels it necessary to come forward, why did she seek out (according to Allred) an out-of-state left-wing liberal Democrat to represent her? Did every attorney in Alabama go on vacation? Of course, since you claim to know what’s in people’s hearts (please don’t tell me you’ve forgotten saying that), you can probably “see” into the past and can claim you’re an eyewitness to the attempted rape. Bottom line, you have to prove somebody committed a crime, Paul (or at least one should have to prove it). Guilt by accusation works in places like Iran and North Korea. Would you like that?

      • Paul Hooson

        Another of Moore’s denials is with Wendy Miller, who was just 14 when 32 year old assistant DA Roy Moore attempted to date her. Her mother, who had to scold Moore by telling him, “Let’s not rob the cradle”. Parents like this were concerned about his activities with their daughters, however with him being a powerful figure in law enforcement, an assistant DA, a certain element of intimidation and fear existed, and parents had to balance their concerns for their children and their fears of Moore. This position of power insulated Moore from legal complaints others would likely face.

        • Scalia

          Paul, get your stories right. Wendy Miller was 16 when Moore asked her out. It was then that her mother forbade any dating between them. Miller claims Moore first approached her when she was 14.

          As I said, the first accuser was 14, but she has significant credibility problems. The other girls were above the age of consent.

          Now, I’m not comfortable with men in their 30s dating teenaged girls, and I certainly wouldn’t have let him date my daughters, but the only legal thing in the table is the attempted rape accusation.

          • Paul Hooson

            That’s right. Miller was only 14 when Moore first approached and her mother told Moore off. Based off everything, Moore seems to like the young stuff, which has only resulted in controversy now.

          • Scalia

            No, when Moore asked her out when she was 16, her mother said no.

          • And he apparently took ‘no’ for an answer.

            Hell, how many times have I heard stories about guys getting in trouble with jailbait when the girl LOOKED a lot older than her age? That was drummed into us in the AF – check the age of that cute young thing if you wanted to stay out of trouble!

        • Scalia

          Moreover, the only “mountain of evidence” is that Moore liked teenaged girls when he was in his 30s. None of that means he tried to rape anybody.

      • jim_m

        To ask the question in your last sentence is to answer it.

      • Wild_Willie

        Moor was not DA at the time so why DA? This is getting like Rathergate. The little things are bringing her down.

        The main thing is Paul Hooson and other leftist’s are reaping what they have sown in the 90’s. They have no moral stand at all.

    • Scalia

      Ok, I’m now having second thoughts about the yearbook signing. I’ll have to look into this more deeply.

      • Scalia
        • Scalia
          • jim_m

            Yep. Looks like two different hands doing the writing there. One is his signature the other is the dedication.

          • E is different on ‘Love’ and at the end of his name, and the ‘Olde Hickory House’. (Those are printed, though.) Also, the ink color is inconsistent.

          • Paul Hooson

            Are you a handwriting expert? I’m not either, but the “1” matches both times, with only the first upper “7” a question in my mind why it does not have the same curve effect of the other three uses here.

          • jim_m

            I have eyes. Apparently you don’t you dimwit.

          • Paul Hooson

            I’m not a handwriting expert. However, the use of a smaller “1” compared to the other numbers appears to be a characteristic of both versions of 1977. However, I will grant you that the first upper “7” of “1977” is straighter, while the next three uses of “7” have the same curve effect. Whether the ink is the same and has aged the same may be the best evidence here of whether both parts are the same.

          • Scalia

            Both sevens in the second set are different from the first both in what you observe an in the drop prior to the straight top of each digit in the second set. Nobody who is writing normally will write so disparately in the same setting.

          • Paul Hooson

            It will be interesting what handwriting experts will come up with. I almost expect them to disagree as well. – What would be more interesting is whether Moore has continued a pattern of recent communications with any minors on Internet social platforms. Generally, sex offenders do not change their behaviors very easily. If he had sexual attractions to 14 year olds at 32, it is more than likely that these interests have not really changed as he aged. Has he had any sexual communications with young girls in more recent times? His computer may hold the answer to this question.

          • Scalia
        • Paul Hooson

          To impress a love interest, he might be likely to sign DA and elevate his rank.

          • jim_m

            He says, ignoring the rest of the evidence suggesting it’s a fake.

          • Scalia

            Or, somebody else signed the document since he never was a DA.

  • Par4Course

    Moore has been in public life for decades, including runs for state-wide office, and these allegations first appear about a month before a Senate race that threatens to reduce the GOP’s precarious 52-48 majority in the Senate. Call be skeptical. I don’t like Roy Moore but he is preferable to the DC Swamp (McConnell, Ryan, Gardner, et al.) that seems uniformly aligned against him. If his accusers are right, they have let a pernicious predator remain at large for nearly 40 years – not something to be called praiseworthy.

  • Wild_Willie

    All the sexual abuse, rape and harassment were thrown aside during Bill Clinton’s tenure. Women learned you won’t win against men of power. The left is reaping what it has sown. The left not only partied when Clinton got away with it, they even re-elected him. Hillary and the feminists called the accusers bimbo’s, liars, fame seekers, etc. I do not know if these women are telling the complete truth but who cares now? I do know the Washington Post is behind this and the GOP establishment. That is enough for me to say “Prove the allegations. Until that is done this is just a political dirty trick.”

    I have to add I am not a Moore fan but I will say the hate for Trump and Bannon is out of control. Mitch McConnell needs to go.

    • Walter_Cronanty

      “The left is reaping what it has sown.” A story which agrees with your point: How Roy Moore’s Misdeeds Are Forcing an Awakening on the Left
      Years of excusing Bill Clinton’s sexual misconduct suddenly seems morally indefensible.

      And in full-throated, unvarnished form, [the Left’s moral awakening] appeared in a piece Monday in The Atlantic by the redoubtable Caitlin Flanagan, who is unbound to any specific ideology. In a piece titled, “Bill Clinton—The Reckoning,” Flanagan pointed not to the Monica Lewinsky story, nor to Gennifer Flowers, nor to any other story of consensual behavior, but to a darker series of stories from as far back as 1978.

      “It was a pattern of behavior; it included an alleged violent assault; the women involved had far more credible evidence than many of the most notorious accusations that have come to light in the past five weeks. But Clinton was not left to the swift and pitiless justice that today’s accused men have experienced,” Flanagan wrote. “Rather, he was rescued by a surprising force: machine feminism. The movement had by then ossified into a partisan operation and it was willing—eager—to let this friend of the sisterhood enjoy a little droit de seigneur.”

      • jim_m

        The left will give a reckoning to the Clintons when they are both in jail. Anything else is just play acting. It’s just a political passion play to create the appearance that they give a damn so they can bury the issue an carry on as before.

        • Walter_Cronanty

          Hillary still wants to run, with Bill at her side – but the left realizes she can’t possibly win. So, off with their heads.

          • She barely survived the last attempt. I can just see her trying after four more years.

            It’s not a pretty sight. She’d be in a wheelchair or on a gurney – and insisting it worked for FDR!

          • Scalia

            And if it doesn’t work for her, she’ll insist it was due to sexism.

          • Or ableism. “You bigot, not voting for.a cripple!”

          • jim_m

            HBO will be starting a new series to support Hillary’s 2020 campaign: Vote for the Walking Dead

    • I remember a friend during the Thomas hearings on Anita Hill – “Women don’t lie about stuff like that.”

      And during the Bimbo eruptions that Clinton had: “They’re lying Totally.”

      It’s all about whether there’s a (D) or an (R) after the name. D’s can do no wrong, and R’s are eternally suspect.

  • jim_m

    I’ll say that it is times like these that I miss BruceHenry. I miss watching him spin his wheels trying to explain a decade or more of defending Bill Clinton’s rapes in light of stories like Moore and Weinstein. I miss listening to his dishonest accusations that bringing up Clinton is merely “whataboutism” intended to distract form the real problem, which was always conservative malfeasance. But mostly I miss the opportunity to deride him and his ilk as the dishonest hacks that they are, to be able to rub their noses in the fact that they are wiling to excuse rape and cover up child molestation as long as it furthers their agenda.

    The real open secret here is not that the left is full of sexual predators, it’s that the left is full of amoral totalitarians, willing to do anything it takes to control the rest of us.

    • Scalia

      You’ve probably noticed that Who’s the Buster is also conspicuously absent these days. I don’t think he’ll be returning either. He said he had run across Bruce on another thread and asked him why he wasn’t posting here anymore. He strongly implied that Bruce said he got tired of the abuse. Well, I looked it up, and Bruce said nothing of the kind. Bruce simply said that it was no longer “fun” to interact with the deplorables here in the age of Trump. When I called Buster on his dishonesty, he disappeared.

      Prevarication must be a leftist gene.

      • jim_m

        Of course it wasn’t any fun for him. Everyone was wise to his lying and his hypocritical double standards. His last gasp was his constant claims of “whataboutism” as a feeble attempt to deflect from those double standards. Nobody was buying his BS annymore.

      • jim_m

        I think he also liked goading us when obama was president but it just wasn’t as fun when the tables were turned. And he probably was disappointed that commenters here weren’t the 2-dimensional white supremacist/Nazi hatemongers that his go to echo chamber media had lead him to believe we were.

        • Scalia

          Case in point: We were “discussing” fundamentalism and social issues (like gay rights) when I wondered aloud what his extreme antipathy toward fundamentalists was about, that something must be under the surface to elicit such hatred from him. He flipped out and said that I was accusing him of being a “fag,” (his word, not mine).

          It must be miserable living in that swamp of his.

          • Retired military

            Instead we get David and umm…. Statues…

  • Walter_Cronanty

    I don’t know if the allegations against Moore are legit, but there is one overriding reason I have doubts concerning the reports – the incredible history of the MSM’s bias against conservatives/Republicans:

    …I find it odd that this story came up after the primary and after decades of service by Roy Moore. Why did the Washington Post reporters wait until after no one else could be put on the ballot to run a 40-year-old story? Isn’t it also strange that a supposed sexual predator would have all of a sudden quit going after young girls 40 years ago?…

    The Roy Moore story has a familiar ring and methodology to it.

    In 2004, Dan Rather ran the story with forged documents trying to take out Bush. Print and network reporters did not call him out. Some people on the internet did.

    In 2008, the New York Times endorsed McCain in the primary. After Romney was taken out, the Times ran a false front-page story on an old McCain affair with a lobbyist. Why would the NYT endorse McCain when it had this story, and why did it wait until after McCain was the nominee to try to take him out with a false story?…

    In 2012, Harry Reid stood on the Senate floor and lied that Romney had not paid taxes for ten years. Instead of reporters making Reid prove that, they went after Romney….

    In 2016 is the most egregious example of all. The DNC, Hillary, and Obama funneled over $12 million to a law firm (to hide the payment) so the law firm could pay Fusion to create a fictional story about Trump. This fictional story has been used as an excuse to spy, unmask, endlessly investigate, and continually report the fictional collusion story.

    Instead of reporting much on the dangerous Russia uranium story with massive kickbacks and collusion, on the despicable creation of the dossier, on Hillary’s rigging of elections and violating campaign laws, the networks and print reporters have wall-to-wall coverage of an unverified story to take out a Republican.

    • jim_m

      The left knows no bounds and has not a single scruple in its desire for ever increasing power. They even call their activist groups names such as “By Any Means Necessary”. They are willing to countenance any lies, any acts of violence, as long as they are committed to advance the agenda. They are willing to cover up any wrongdoing, any illegality, no matter how heinous, as long as the person advances their agenda.

      This is what you get when you have a political party that has ascribed to an atheistic agenda, rejecting God, disqualifying from the public sphere anyone who believes in God or dares mention His name. You get an amoral, rudderless party focused not on what is good for the nation but what is good for them personally. They are willing to use any means possible to get what they want because they are not bounded by any concepts of morality, truth or justice.

      This is a party that for the last two and a half decades has been lead by followers of Alinksy, who stated: The only unethical use of a means is the non use of a means. Think about that. The only unethical thing would be to NOT stoop to any unethical, amoral act in order to advance your political ideology. People who believe in that are the same people who filled the gulags, who created famines, who have created prison nations in order to enrich themselves at the expense of society and the world.

      • Walter_Cronanty

        Once you’ve replaced God with government, you get to make all the rules. That is what the left desires – and as you mention, “By Any Means Necessary.”

  • Hank_M

    Re; Moore……Shame he isn’t a democrat from Massachusetts where allegations like these would be career enhancers.

    More seriously, It’s gotten to the point where I simply do not believe anything from the Washpo and even less when Gloria Allred is involved.

  • Olsoljer

    Strange, isn’t it? After the lame stream media was slapped with the fact age/consent laws are different in Alabama than in their “civilized” little spheres that now, all of a sudden, the latest “victim?” to appear with Gloria “Ambulance Chaser” Allred is the only one BELOW age of consent. Just what are the charges here? So far all I see are allegations impugning someone’s character, no way to substantiate them, and 38 YEARS in the past. Next time a set up by a major player or players is put into action they may not want to start with a source who has problems, multiple marriages, and prior attempts to blame at least 3 different preachers for “unwanted sexual advances”.

  • Olsoljer

    Anyone else wonder why McCain is so rabidly “Russiaphobic”? Could it be that during his stay at the North Vietnamese Hanoi Hilton he may have been entertained by Soviet advisors who convinced him his health and welfare as well as immediate and long term viability might hinge on certain concessions and considerations? Maybe they even documented and filmed some of those “special occasions”, for posterity of course. He was a star in many films for the NVA propaganda producers you know. How coincidental is it John boy apparently assisted in the release of the “Trump Russian Dossier”, his campaign apparently contributed to by Georgy boy, and he contributes negatively and publically opposes anything President Trump tries to accomplish after 8 years of kissing Obama’s ass?

    • jim_m

      There’s no mystery here. He knows it will get him screen time on TV. It’s not more complex than that.

    • Ever wonder why they haven’t done a reboot of “The Manchurian Candidate”?

      Oh, wait – they did. In 2004

      • jim_m

        They did with Denzel Washington. It was all about oil in the ME. It flopped.

  • pennywit

    Roy Moore’s lawyer has contacted AL.com to threaten a defamation suit. It’s not a very good demand letter.

  • Prosecute or be damned and silent.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    While the Rs are apparently throwing Moore under the bus [which he well may deserve], the Ds, since Hillary lost and they don’t want her to run again, are running over Bill and then backing up the bus to do it again: “NYT Column: I Believe, And Am ‘Haunted’ By, Juanita Broaddrick’s Rape Accusation Against Bill Clinton.”

    I wonder what this NYT columnist thinks about the 1998 statement by former Time contributor and White House correspondent Nina Burleigh: “I would be happy to give him a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs.”

  • Retired military

    When will the dems call for Al Franken to step down and be jailed. After all we have picture proof

    http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/

    • Jwb10001

      Yep we have another bad actor, powerful, well known, assume wealthy, “celebrity” acting badly. What do all these things have in common? Our society is celebrity obsessed and our celebrities (including the people we elect to positions of power) as it turns out act badly, shocking!

    • Scalia

      Well, CNN is reporting it. I won’t hold my breath over whether the Democrats will expel him from the Senate.

    • pennywit
      • Scalia

        Great! Now, let’s get some 24/7 coverage from CNN, MSNBC, CBC, ABC, etc. to hound Franken out of office.

      • Scalia

        I like how Franken is calling for a Senate investigation and that he’s promising to fully cooperate.

        How about he resign immediately? That way, he can save taxpayer dollars. He’s already admitted the substance of the allegations, but he still insists that he remembers the “kiss” differently.

        The Dems had better handle this the same way they’d handle the case if Ted Cruz were accused of the same thing.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    The Ds are so completely done with the Clintons [probably including Chelsea], they’re willing to use Bill as a club to take out Rs. Take a read of this hot, steaming pile of hypocritical bs:

    2016 – Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand: “I was… truly honored that President Bill Clinton campaigned for me in my first run for Congress in 2006.”

    2017 – Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand: “Gillibrand Says Bill Clinton Should Have Resigned Over Lewinsky Affair.”