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Comments (26)
I take it Bill Maher won't ... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Gabriel Chapman | March 9, 2005 3:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I take it Bill Maher won't be having him on his show to slobber all over his jock anytime soon.
1. Posted by Gabriel Chapman | March 9, 2005 3:14 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 15:14
2. Posted by Brian Beatty | March 9, 2005 3:52 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
FYI. Betsy resigned this week - now all we need to do is get Churchill to admit he's a loser and Colorado will be a better state.
2. Posted by Brian Beatty | March 9, 2005 3:52 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 15:52
3. Posted by Steve L. | March 9, 2005 4:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And who is surprised at this?
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I didn't think so.
3. Posted by Steve L. | March 9, 2005 4:05 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 16:05
4. Posted by bullwinkle | March 9, 2005 4:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
He would have been given an award, a raise and made head of his department if only he had mentioned Allah instead.
4. Posted by bullwinkle | March 9, 2005 4:17 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 16:17
5. Posted by Bucky Katt | March 9, 2005 4:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And another one for you...
DePaul Professor Thomas Klocek was fired for having the temerity to question the views of the "Students for Justice" in the Palestinian booth at the college's activities fair.
Academia's Killer Double Standard
5. Posted by Bucky Katt | March 9, 2005 4:21 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 16:21
6. Posted by Confederate Yankee | March 9, 2005 4:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
teh part that killed me was that Hofman resigned, she spoke of her beleif in "principled leadership."
Where, exactly?
6. Posted by Confederate Yankee | March 9, 2005 4:21 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 16:21
7. Posted by s9 | March 9, 2005 5:15 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What exactly do we know about why Phil Mitchell's contract at Colorado University was not renewed, and how do we know it?
We have a report that the university gave the reason as "his teaching was not up to department standards." Then the professor whines to a whackjob columnist who managed to get published in The Denver Post (when he usually writes for such unbiased outfits as Tech Central Station, Front Page Magazine, The Weekly Standard and National Review) about how Mitchell was fired because one student complained about one mention of God in a textbook. Could we please have a fact check here?
Of course not! The story needs no fact check! It confirms what we already believe! I love you guys. I really do.
7. Posted by s9 | March 9, 2005 5:15 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 17:15
8. Posted by Robert Crawford | March 9, 2005 5:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
S9 -- you ARE aware he's won awards for his teaching? That he's been consistently highly rated by his students and at least some of his peers -- including at least one that doesn't agree with his politics.
But hey, you're too upset over who's getting the story out, and what publications they've written for, to give a rat's ass about the facts.
8. Posted by Robert Crawford | March 9, 2005 5:45 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 17:45
9. Posted by julie | March 9, 2005 5:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The story needs no fact check! It confirms what we already believe!
Isn't that what you whiney whackjobs said about F9/11?
9. Posted by julie | March 9, 2005 5:48 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 17:48
10. Posted by s9 | March 9, 2005 6:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
So what are the facts?
The university appears to be saying they fired him because he sucked as a teacher, notwithstanding his high marks on student appreciation surveys.
The professor appears to be saying they fired him because he used a book that mentioned God in the classroom.
These two claims are not supposed to be compatible.
So what are the facts? Do any of you people care? No. You have a story and it confirms what you want to believe. The facts are irrelevant.
10. Posted by s9 | March 9, 2005 6:11 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 18:11
11. Posted by s9 | March 9, 2005 6:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Is it too much to ask that the journalists who posted this story to the front page maybe take the time to call the university and the professor and find out what happened before running with Harsanyi's opinion piece as if it were a solid news story?
11. Posted by s9 | March 9, 2005 6:14 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 18:14
12. Posted by Rightwingsparkle | March 9, 2005 6:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
How do you know they didn't?
12. Posted by Rightwingsparkle | March 9, 2005 6:19 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 18:19
13. Posted by Just Me | March 9, 2005 7:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
s9 you are right that there may be some things to the story that we aren't being made aware of, but the facts are that he has won awards for his teaching in the classroom, and has been rated highly by his students, those two facts aren't being disputed.
But given the defense of Churchill, and the fact that we know he is a liar and has lied in his works, and the left is still defending him, you would think this guy would still have a job.
13. Posted by Just Me | March 9, 2005 7:34 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 19:34
14. Posted by s9 | March 9, 2005 9:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Rightwingsparkle writes: How do you know they didn't?
I don't. But if they did do the due diligence, wouldn't it be nice to know what they found out? Why aren't they telling us?
Just Me writes: ...you would think this guy would still have a job.
Unlike you, I am totally unsurprised when an adjunct professor is laid off at a university. And let's be clear— when your job is terminated by not having your contract renewed, that's not the same as getting fired for cause.
Oh wait. Mitchell is a nutjob Christian with a right-wing political axe to grind. So, even though Mitchell had no tenure, when his contract expired without a rubber-stamp renewal, it was equivalent to getting fired for using a textbook with the word 'God' in it.
It's all so clear to me now.
14. Posted by s9 | March 9, 2005 9:10 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 21:10
15. Posted by BorgQueen | March 9, 2005 9:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
s9
You have a phone, don't you? Quit waiting for someone else to do it. And while you're at it, quit whining. I'm all outta cheese.
15. Posted by BorgQueen | March 9, 2005 9:57 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 21:57
16. Posted by julie | March 9, 2005 10:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh wait. S9 is a nutjob lefty with a left-wing political axe to grind. Always bitchin' and moanin' about everything but you couldn't pry him lose from Wizbang. Maybe, he's to whiney for the Kos/DU/Atrios crowd, too, and has been banned.
16. Posted by julie | March 9, 2005 10:00 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 22:00
17. Posted by Patrick Chester | March 9, 2005 10:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh wait. Mitchell is a nutjob Christian with a right-wing political axe to grind.
Care to support that charge, s9?
17. Posted by Patrick Chester | March 9, 2005 10:21 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 22:21
18. Posted by jack rudd | March 9, 2005 10:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Somehow one suspects that S9 regards all conservative Christians as nutjobs with a right-wing political axe to grind. Sort of like CU does.
18. Posted by jack rudd | March 9, 2005 10:56 PM |
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Posted on March 9, 2005 22:56
19. Posted by Clive Tolson | March 10, 2005 3:46 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Great job s9!!
This is just another attempt by the Right to manufacture some outrage, based on distortions and exaggerations.
All your detractors here will distance themselves from Conservative Christians like James Dobson and Fred Phelps, but when one is being attacked by 'Liberal academics', it's suddenly religious persecution.
19. Posted by Clive Tolson | March 10, 2005 3:46 AM |
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Posted on March 10, 2005 03:46
20. Posted by Just Me | March 10, 2005 8:39 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Mitchell is a nutjob Christian with a right-wing political axe to grind."
Prove this please. Also, are you actually arguing that Churchill had no political axe's to grind? Why does he get acedemic freedom but the Christian doesn't? YOu see that is the issue here, it is hypocrisy. The acedemics rise to Chruchills cause, but you don't even hear a squeek about the Christian.
"So, even though Mitchell had no tenure, when his contract expired without a rubber-stamp renewal, it was equivalent to getting fired for using a textbook with the word 'God' in it."
Great argument for why we shouldn't have tenure. If Churchill and Mitchell are both nutjobs, then they should both be fired easily, if you believe in academic freedom tenure shouldn't matter.
20. Posted by Just Me | March 10, 2005 8:39 AM |
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Posted on March 10, 2005 08:39
21. Posted by Patrick Chester | March 10, 2005 10:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This is just another attempt by the Right to manufacture some outrage, based on distortions and exaggerations.
Oh look. Clive's projecting. Again.
I take it you don't have anything that proves the charges that this Mitchell fellow is some extremist Christian? Or is there another reason you bring up people you assume those icky people who disagree with you must be fans of?
21. Posted by Patrick Chester | March 10, 2005 10:15 AM |
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Posted on March 10, 2005 10:15
22. Posted by James C. Hess | March 10, 2005 8:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
May I request that everyone reading this contact the news media in Denver and Boulder and ask why they have not and are not reporting on the demise of Professor Mitchell?
22. Posted by James C. Hess | March 10, 2005 8:17 PM |
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Posted on March 10, 2005 20:17
23. Posted by Clive Tolson | March 10, 2005 11:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I take it you don't have anything that proves the charges that this Mitchell fellow is some extremist Christian?
Oh look. Patrick's exaggerating again!
What 'charges'? Who's making these charges? Why? You have evidence this is the basis for his denial of tenure? Proof?
Nothing worth calling the media in Denver and Boulder, either!
23. Posted by Clive Tolson | March 10, 2005 11:23 PM |
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Posted on March 10, 2005 23:23
24. Posted by Patrick Chester | March 11, 2005 12:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Clive, perhaps you should read s9's rantings before cheerleading for him. He accused Mitchell of being "a nutjob Christian with a right-wing political axe to grind" and there you are gushing "great job" at him in admiration.
I take it you are now saying you disagree with that charge? Ah well, I guess I'll have to wait for s9 to bother supporting it.
24. Posted by Patrick Chester | March 11, 2005 12:13 AM |
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Posted on March 11, 2005 00:13
25. Posted by Clive Tolson | March 11, 2005 1:38 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Patrick,
s9's quote you used, was made in a sarcastic, mocking tone.
What we think is pure speculation, as is the charge Mitchell is being denied tenure because of it.
He did a 'great job' of offering a more plausible explanation, while accurately framing the hysteria the Right is trying to manufacture.
25. Posted by Clive Tolson | March 11, 2005 1:38 AM |
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Posted on March 11, 2005 01:38
26. Posted by James C. Hess | March 12, 2005 8:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Actually Professor Mitchell has tenure and has been ranked, consistently, by his students and peer with an 'A'.
26. Posted by James C. Hess | March 12, 2005 8:34 PM |
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Posted on March 12, 2005 20:34