TheReligionofPeace.com

"The List" of Islamic Terrorist's attacks over 3,000 since 911.

Sometimes the most dangerous person is the one who allows himself to be pushed and pushed by a bully until he finally just says Thats Enough and commences to clean the bully's clock.

I don't think the non Muslem world is prepared to put up with much more of the Islamist anarchey and we are going to start seeing reprisals soon.

I don't want a religeouse war with the Islamists but I think it is right around the corner.
Chuvl

WE ARE in a religious war or hadn't you noticed.

Ed

Its true we are in a religeous war. The problem is we are not fighting back.
I think the Islamists are going to push a little too far (in my opinion they already have ) and then we will do whats necessary.
Chuck

Before we start 'charging the ramparts', I think it is worthwhile trying to understand the rage that animates these Moslims, and how we might defuse them. As Simon Jenkins writes the critical question may be do 'we truly want to share a world in peace with those who have values and religious beliefs different from our own." (even as Jay infers many don't want peace with us). Judging by most of the commenters here, the answer seems to be a resounding 'no', which if reflective of Americans, makes me question the wisdom of of our heavy presence in that incendiary part of the world, in the first place.

I hope the Islamofacists understand that they have begun the 10th Crusade!

milites Christi

Here's a site that actually believes Islam is the religion of peace:
http://www.muslimunity.blogspot.com/

"do 'we truly want to share a world in peace with those who have values and religious beliefs different from our own."

Only if they learn to not try and shove it down our throats, thank you.

Somehow I don't think that's possible given the writings (or rantings) of Prophet Mohammad(peace be with him or we'll cut your heads off and bomb you).

Crickmore, are the Muslim's going to have to kick your fucking door in before you get it through your thick head that they are the intolerant ones?

Crickmore:
There comes a point when you have to push back or roll over.I prefer to push back.
These assholes are intent on destroying any society that is not Islamic and people who don't fight back are going to be out of luck.
Chuck

Steve,

I am Jewish. I am not a Christian. I CANNOT TRAVEL to a 25% of this Earth because of the blood that flows through my Veins. Not because what I have said, what I believe or any actions of my own. But becuase I am a Jew.

Any Muslim who believes in the concept of Jihad, that believes that all Muslim Lands (past ruled) need to be returned back to the control of the Muslims, and if they do not recognize the right of Israel to exist and have defensible borders cannot be reasoned with and they should go to hell.

The Cartoon crap that is going on now is going on PRECISELY people keep questioning themselves why cant we just get along. The answer is fucking simple. They do not want too. They want it their way and that is all. Free speech, sure for them on their terms. NO MORE.

Charles Bannerman has somewhat of a point. We are not going to react to this because the forces of Political Correctness will supress it. That has two effects. It starts breeding resentment here. This will grow and grow until it can't be contained. It also lets the Islamic extremists feel its OK to continue on their path which will be ever increasing attacks on the West.

If the reaction to this was to tell them to go blow instead of supressing the cartoon and firing editors, there would have been a few burning effigies and a few buildings and thats it. But because the West blinked, we will see this behavior for decades.

OMG, It gets better...
I just heard on FoxNews the "protesters" set fire to each room in the consulate as they went, only to find themselves trapped at the top, requiring rescue :)

The tee shirt slogan is still the most accurate: "Islam is a religion of pieces" (showing dismembered body parts)

Crickmore,
Look at how muslims in America are treated, and you'll get your real answer. And not how CAIR says they are treated, but how they really are. Up until 9/11, most of America ignored islam. Even after, most Americans gave them the benefit of the doubt. Far more than was given to Germans in both world wars, or the Japanese and Italians in the 2nd.

Robert, I think your comments are both biased and biggoted .. and I'm afraid that you may be absolutely correct.

I think that the West, in its desire to be tolerant and accepting and all that, hasn't blinded itself to the fact that we can neither tolerate, nor accept, the dangerous idiots of the world.

Question: Was it a prison break of questionable timing, or did the Yemenese let those prisoners go?

SCSIwuzzy,

The lack of violent protests and burned down buildings here shows what is wrong with the ME and some other parts of the world. I mean afterall, for the past number of years the US hasn't exactly been on the "most loved" list of many Muslims in the world.

.."hasn't blinded itself to the fact"

Correction: has blinded...

(coffee hadn't taken effect)

Jay Tea, I dont quite understand what you're doing here. Do you really think that engendering anger and hatred is doing us any good?

How about this for a plan: We look at the news, and see groups of people all pissed off and ranting. They are spewing all sorts of bullshit. They riot and destroy property, injure people, create havoc. Those people get arrested, are charged with crimes, and punished. Period.

What good does it do to add more fuel to the fire by condemning ALL Muslims for what these groups are doing? Let's go after the people who commit crimes, and leave it at that.

Why are you so hell bent on blaming all Muslims in this way? Dude, I understand your anger, and trust me I'm right there with you regarding 9/11, terrorism, suicide bombers, religious zealots, and psychotic rioters.

BUT THAT AINT THE WHOLE PICTURE.

The ironic thing is that regarding terrorism, dictators, religious zealots, and hate speech I'll bet that me and you would agree for the most part. Where we disagree is in your propensity to assign blame to MASSIVE groups of people, without any cause. Blame Hamas. Blame Bin Laden. Blame Hussien. Blame decades of war. Blame all the goddamn dictators. Blame all the terrorist groups.

But try to understand that the Middle East is filled with millions of people, all living under some pretty shitty conditions...let's not assume that they are all a part of the radical program that has them in a chokehold.

So, I understand your anger. But can you at least consider my point of view without coming back and calling me ignorant or stupid? Can you at least listen to me? All I'm trying to do is discourage unnecessary hatred. Why does that get so many of you on here even more angry? Do you guys want to hold onto that for some reason? Why?

Where is the outrage from the "peaceful" Muslims? The radicals are tarnishing Islam while the mainstream seem to give tacit approval. How are we to interpret that?

Until these humorless pork-o-phobic chauvinists stand up and denounce the radicals, I'm inclined to view them as a homogeneous beast.

Ryan, stores in the middle-east have stopped selling Legos. Legos.

There are enough crazy people there that Legos are off store shelves simply because they come from the same country as a cartoon.

'Nuff said.

Hi Pete,

I never claimed that I was not biggoted or biased. I am. Everyone is. The problem is that most people either delude themselves into ignorance or fail to see the world as it truly is. I believe that I have a solid grasp of as accurate world view as possible. There are simple some people that you cannot negiotiate with. That is an unfortunate fact of life that the many people fail to recognize.

To quote Tony Blair after 9/11, "to blame Islam for what happened in New York is like blaming Christianity for the troubles of Northern Ireland." Just to clarify, no one on this thread feels Christianity is a religion of peace, do they?

Ryan where were the Buddhists rioting when the Taliban destroyed the statutes of Buddha in Afghanistan?

Where were the Jews rioting in France when they were being persecuted by roving bands of Muslims in France?

Where were the Jews rioting in New Zealand where their gravesites were being descecrated?

Where were the Christians rioting when "enlightened artists" came out with the Piss Christ?

My point is simple. Its only the Muslims.

"But can you at least consider my point of view without coming back and calling me ignorant or stupid?"

Sure, when you develop a point of view that isn't ignorant or stupid.

Unfortunately some people don't get the point until they are personally affected. Sooner or later, because of the politicizing of the NSA intelligence gathering and the Iraq war, we WILL BE HIT AGAIN.
The Islamists are fanatics on the same order of magnitude as the Nazis but in my opinion, the Islamists are more dangerous. They have got to be stopped by hook or by crook.
Chuck

Robert -

if my wording didn't convey the point that I was in complete agreement with your original post (and the subsequent one, as well), I apologize.

I just wonder if we (the West) are getting close to the brekaing point on our tolerance with dealing with radical muslims - and, if so, what's on the other side of that breaking point - since I'm beginning to get the impression that every muslim has a bit of radical in them.

As Denny noted, muslims are more infatuated with protesting issues of symbolism than they are with protesting true crimes against humanity committed by their brethren.

And that scares the shi'ite out of me.

Hi Pete,

Thank you for the clarification. :)

I think some of us are getting near the breaking point of our tolerance when it comes to dealing with radical Islam. And, I wish I knew what was one the other end of that spectrum. I honestly admit I have no clue. But one cannot follow Neville Chamberlin's appeasement policy when that policy simply means to totally surrender everything we stand for.

I agree with you Pete. It scares the Crap out of me as well.

B Moe?

What was ignorant or stupid about Ryan's post? I thought it was rational, balanced, and sensible. My post directly below his expresses disagreement, but between the two, it was mine that smacked of ignorance and stupidity. Hell, I even called the little sand fuckers a few names!

It never fails to amaze me how people get flamed around here for taking a moderate view--especially when they concede 90 percent of the sentiments expressed by the hard-liners. Ryan makes complete sense, and he sounds much more like a grown-up than most of us.

So, Fuck 'em!

B Moe:

Sure, when you develop a point of view that isn't ignorant or stupid.

Wow, great response. Anytime you'd like to expound your wisdom and enlighten me with your brilliant analysis, please feel free.

I think it's funny that you are aligning yourself with people who basically haul off and say "Ya Fuck the Muslims!!!" Brilliant. Very impressive. And then you have the gall to drop in and call me stupid, more than likely without reading much of what I have written.

I'm saying that we should go after the people who commit these acts, and leave the whole guilt by association thing out of it. You think thats a stupid position to hold? Why? Why dont you present your postion on the necessity to condemn all Muslims for the crimes of specific groups and individuals? Can you explain why we should forgoe our entire legal, judicial, and moral system and blame millions of innocent people without any proof that they have done anything wrong?

Yes, genius, why dont you explain your brilliant point of view.

Ryan,

I agree with prosecuting the offenders and presuming the innocence of those who have not yet committed crimes.

But how do we deal with those who are not yet breaking laws, but merely exercising their rights to freedom of expression by inciting violence or fostering a culture of hate and intolerance?

And how do you feel about profiling? Is it fair to scrutinize all members of a culture that spawns and nurtures terrorism in an effort to achieve early detection and pre-emption of future crimes?

I agree with most of the words you have written in this and the previous thread, but I'm curious to know what lurks behind those words.

Thanks for that Denny.

Denny?

Do you really want to know whats...lurking?

lol

But how do we deal with those who are not yet breaking laws, but merely exercising their rights to freedom of expression by inciting violence or fostering a culture of hate and intolerance?

Once people start inciting violence it's time to bring the hammer down. Just like riots that occur here. Freedom of speech and all that is great, but when it gets into hate speech and violence, the show's over.

But still, I'm not going to assume that every Muslim farmer in Indonesia wants to kill me because radicals in Denmark are being psychotic.

Just like here in the states it would be a mistake to equate all Americans with the radical sentiments of some San Francisco anrachists. I wouldnt want to haul off and condemn everyone in Oklahoma for what protesters in Los Angeles are doing. That just doesnt make any sense. But if there are radical and violent groups in Oklahoma that are linked, well, it would be smart to pay close attention to them.

And how do you feel about profiling? Is it fair to scrutinize all members of a culture that spawns and nurtures terrorism in an effort to achieve early detection and pre-emption of future crimes?

First of all, there isnt just one broad all encompassing "Muslim Culture." Just like there isnt one all encompassing Christian culture. Not all Christians think alike, or act alike, or even believe the same things. Same goes for Muslims.

It's fair to look at specifics, and to look for connections between specifics. We look at the network of Al Qaeda, and look for connections in other places. But just because its present in Indonesia or Pakistan, doesnt mean we can assume that the entire community is in on it.

I'm not too keen on ascribing certain crimes to any particular culture; I think that gets a little sticky. I think that we would lose a lot more allies by going around profiling people based upon the fact that they look "Middle Eastern." It seems really really generalized to me, and pretty unfair, on the whole. I wouldnt want anyone to be continually harassing me based upon my appearance. It makes more sense to profile people based upon their actions, connections, criminal records, etc.

I'm all about early detection and pre-emption. But I'm not all about taking away the freedoms that we have here, by any means. I do not want to turn the USA into some paranoid police state. I undestand, fully, the fact that there are factions here that need to be watched, and that makes sense to me. Just like it makes sense to keep an eye on other wacko radical groups here.

I just dont want to see us going around typecasting people based upon race. To me, that's a sign that we're losing some ground in this whole thing. On the other side, I know there are certain pragmatic aspects to racial profiling. I understand that Denny, and cant claim to have all the answers by any means.

Hmm, nothing wierd lurking in there. In fact, I can't argue with any of it! Damn.

Still, I'm choosing to take the more irrational route and treat all towel heads with equality--equal amounts of hatred.

(Most of this current mood stems from a recent flare-up in my girl friend's custody and child support battle with her ex-husband, who is a narcisistic and delusional psychotic Persian liar. Therefore, everyone who looks and sounds like him is tainted.)

Ok, I am going to reiterate my point with a question, because with everything that has been discussed here there is one thing missing. A solution.

So here is my original point:

The lack of violent protests and burned down buildings here shows what is wrong with the ME and some other parts of the world. I mean afterall, for the past number of years the US hasn't exactly been on the "most loved" list of many Muslims in the world.

And here is my question:

Why? What makes the US so different, that although it has been looked at as an "enemy" and has a large Muslim population, we do not have the violent protests?

Why? What makes the US so different, that although it has been looked at as an "enemy" and has a large Muslim population, we do not have the violent