HOLY CRAP!

That is about as eloquent as I could put that.

This could change the whole campaign.

Dream on, Paul. The signers will be smeared one by one by an eager Bush-hating media...or ignored.

I've got to admit they're brave men, and probably always have been.

As someone who supports Sen. Kerry strictly on a "lesser of two evils" basis, I can see why some members of the military are unhappy with him. But I think that his efforts to stop the war in Vietnam---especially after he served there---are some of the major points in his favor.

If you're going to argue that Kerry was wrong to oppose the Vietnam war, you have to take the position that the Vietman war was a good idea. Most conservative pundits I've seen sort of skip over that step, because that war was one of the most shameful, ill-advised episodes in our history.

When you blast Kerry for testifying to atrocites, are you saying that he was wrong? That there were no atrocities committed by US forces in 'Nam?

There were not NEAR the atrocities in Vietnam as Kerry said. Remember much of the evidence atrocities we have in the body politic came from his mouth. It was bogus.

The guys who were there with him are pissed because he lied about them.

I know that you being a member of the Hate America Left assume ever soldier kills babies for fun, but it just ain't the case.

And I know that as a member of the "My Country Right or Wrong" right, Paul, you assume that whatever the government says must be true.

Before you decide that Kerry's testimony is bogus, why not listen to it yourself? Not the little 5 second snippit on FoxNews, but the whole thing? Go to www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/20/1535232&mode=thread&tid=25

He speaks of what he's seen, and what others have told him (and makes it clear which is which). It's powerful stuff.

And he doesn't speak just about US atrocities, but of the war in gereal---and why it was a misguided adventure to begin with.

I don't like John Kerry. However, I dislike him only slightly more than I dislike Bush -- the most divisive president since Abraham Lincoln.

Frankly, I don't care what Kerry's former Vietnam-era foes have to say about him. Kerry proved to be an unbeatable opponent during the Nixon smear campaign against him. The efforts to discredit him at that time were ineffective and only served to launch his long political career.

During the 2000 GOP primary, Bush strategists began a whisper campaign about John McCain -- that his years as a POW had left him unfit for the presidency. So, it isn't surprising that they're now denouncing Kerry for is anti-war activism.

Bush needs to learn from Nixon's failings. Had Nixon let sleeping dogs lie, Kerry would not have been able to get the media attention that put him in the public spotlight. He probably would have had just a brief moment of fame.

I've got news for the people who thought up this veteran letter stunt -- and it is a stunt -- it has the potential to backfire. Sadly, there are still many people who harbor resentment toward Vietnam vets.

If just a few of those letter signers have blemishes on their military records, it will be broadcast to the public. Andy Rooney will call them "baby killers" and they'll be having hippy protests in Santa Cruz.

I argee with John McCain. THE VIETNAM WAR IS OVER! Let's move on to the real issues like our soldiers sodomizing Iraqi POWs with broom handles. Then, we can talk about who is unfit to serve.

Before you decide that Kerry's testimony is bogus,

Don, it is not a matter of me deciding it was bogus. It plainly was.

It is not an opinion. The guy lied. Get over it.

"The guy lied. get over it."

It must free up a lot of your time to simply pronounce the truth and be done with it. Tell me, Paul, how long have you been working for FoxNews?

Since I'm not as all-knowing as you, Paul, you'll forgive me if I wait until 11/2 before I "get over it."

If you think that Paul is merely pronouncing Kerry to be a liar, you need to pay closer attention, Don. He has been shown to be a liar many times over.

Of course, I think that could be said about virtually all politicians, certainly those on the national stage, including Bush.

When it comes to liars, Bush can't be beat.

Don and Paul:

Settle down boys.

This is OOOOoooold, old news, it's been documented for a long time that Kerry's "atrocity testimony" before the Senate was written for him by a former Bobby Kennedy Speechwriter, and he was extensively coached on how to give it, e.g. "John, John, John, you sound so dull and boring, now....once again, ... with feeling...inflect, inflect."

That's not in dispute, which is why his campaign always changes the subject when it comes up, usually calling it the Bush Attack machine at it again.

Ahhh politics - the last refuge of thieves and scoundrels, (and some reallllly bad dinner theater acting).

Guest colomnist Mackubin Thomas Owens, USMC (ret.)

Be sure to read the WHOLE article, CAREFULLY
http://www.nationalreview.com/owens/owens200401270825.asp

I know all that Havoc.

And I know many of the soldiers Kerry claimed committed all these unspeakable acts did not even exist. As you say it was documented a quarter century ago.

But some people are just delusional.

I don't have to "declare" Kerry's testimony bogus. I was shooting marbles in the playground when that became common knowledge.

Some people just think that anything that they don't want to hear must come from FoxNews.

It really is scary how these people are not in touch with reality.

Yah Paul,

They're like sheep.

Thomas Dewey, inventor of the Dewey Decimal System for Library coding and co-signer of "The Humanist Manifesto" knew that if over time you could get control of the schools and keep them dumb, they'd believe anything and never check it out.

Onward Socialist Soldiers....the army of "sheeple"

That's not in dispute, which is why his campaign always changes the subject when it comes up, usually calling it the Bush Attack machine at it again.

Ahhh politics - the last refuge of thieves and scoundrels, (and some reallllly bad dinner theater acting).

Guest colomnist Mackubin Thomas Owens, USMC (ret.)