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About The Nick Berg Video

If you cant bear to watch the disturbing video of the savage murder of Nick Berg, Charles Johnson has a written version of his viewing of the video. From his post:

When the Daniel Pearl video was making the rounds on the web, I refused to post a link because it was so soul-wrenching that I thought people didn't need to see it. I thought September 11 was a big enough shock to the American public that we wouldn't dare go back to sleep.

Unfortunately, I no longer believe that, and that's why I'm posting a link to this goddamned obscenity. Watch it, if you think you can. It's going to make you sick, and it's going to make you mad.

And remember this: what you see in this video is what the mujahideen would like to do to each and every one of us.

Oliver Willis notes:
I think you should see it. Since the day the towers were hit, I've argued that we should see all of it. We should have seen the horror that Al Qaeda did to us. We should have seen what the Taliban did to the people of Afghanistan. We should see what our bombing did in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. We should see the corpses of those that died during Hussein's regime, as well as the pictures of happy Iraqis as his regime fell. Genocide in Africa, ethnic cleansing in Europe, gang crime in America.

We should end the whitewash of images and let the people decide.

And that was my whole purpose in posting the link to the video and then, via Paul's generosity, the full video. The media is happy to show you some of these images, and not others.

Why let them make this choice for you?

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Comments (126)

Video is sick. :-\... (Below threshold)

Video is sick. :-\

I have it also here:<... (Below threshold)
This is sickening.... (Below threshold)

This is sickening.

Thank you George Bush for putting us in a place where we had no business going in the first place.

Someone who is not George B... (Below threshold)

Someone who is not George Bush said, "Thank you George Bush for putting us in a place where we had no business going in the first place."

The Berg snuff film is propaganda designed to elicit responses such as yours.

I guess 3,000 people didn't have any business being in the WTC towers on 9-11-01.

I guess Daniel Pearl was snuffed because the Americans were in Afghanistan and therefore Pearl was in Pakistan.

The jihadists don't need a reason to kill Americans or Jews...or apostates for that matter. By your logic, Grand Ayatollah al-Hakim had no business being in the Imam Ali shrine when he was blown to bits by Zarqawi's Ansar al Islam (Ansar al-Sunnah; same thing).

This is the most digusting ... (Below threshold)
middleeasternhater:

This is the most digusting video I have ever seen. Please take care of all those bastards US!

I just watched. I know what... (Below threshold)

I just watched. I know what needs to be done. Bring your fight to America. I'm ready. You pathetic fucks.

Bring it home and watch what happens when five pathetic worshippers of a dead god of nothingness try to take on one well armed mother fucker with the common sense to stay well armed at all times.

Hey I know.... after the lo... (Below threshold)
Justin Kase:

Hey I know.... after the losing head video... does anyone have links to the Paris Hilton 5 hours?!!!

Please post THOSE links.... there is the giving of head as well!

Hey... I dunno... but find ... (Below threshold)
Justin Kase:

Hey... I dunno... but find it curious....
Isn't it ironic that a large quantity of the media is owned / run / controlled by those of jewish background... yet only 2% of the US pop is jewish?!!!

Yes folks... TWO PERCENT!!!

So.... how loud are the voices when THIS culture has an issue versus the rights of ALL THE OTHER CULTURES in America that have old world injustices?

Fuck... if the Turks had such a voice.... we would be bombing Britain. If the Armenians had a voice we'd be bombing the Turks.

2% folks.... don't believe the hype!!!

The US asked for it followi... (Below threshold)
Aussie:

The US asked for it following the childish pranks done at the prison - fair go you lot need to take a good hard look at yourselves. By the way out SAS shat all over their people without a problem both in Irag and Afghanistan, we were mopping up US mess again, same as Nam and WW2 in New Guinea.

I HAVE FOUR WORDS FOR YOU F... (Below threshold)
JR:

I HAVE FOUR WORDS FOR YOU FOLKS: "FORREST GUMP MEETS NIXON." THE IGNORANT PUBLIC HAS SO MANY BUTTONS, WE PLAY THEM LIKE A CONCERTINA. WHO BENEFITS, AND HOW? BY THE TIME YOU FIGURE THIS OUT, IT WILL ALREADY BE TOO LATE! LOOK FOR THE BACKWARDS FLAG, AND WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! -JR, G5 INTEL/E-CORPS

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I have a sickening feeling ... (Below threshold)
Tiffany:

I have a sickening feeling in my stomach as a result of my own morbid curiosity. We line up their soldiers, and humiliate them in the nude, then they decapitate an American. This is a sick twisted thing, WAR...I hate it. Disgusting. My heart goes out to soldiers of all nations...because in most cases they are just sacrificed by dictators playing with them as though they were plastic figurines.

Well, Justin, I'm sure you ... (Below threshold)
Steve:

Well, Justin, I'm sure you consider yourself well versed and quite aware of the facts. Maybe in a few years, when you turn thirteen, your parents will sit you down and tell you how your Mother is a Jew and your great-grandfather was a Holocaust survivor.

Kevin, you may delete this post.

Just saw pictures of this h... (Below threshold)
Rob:

Just saw pictures of this horror.
Those bastards will find out how little remorse
we will show for putting their asses on a slab
when we slaughter them.
All them bastards know is force and brutility
then i say wadge unrestricted warfare aginst
them. We did it with Japan and Nazi Germany and
i say we do it with them. Make the world that
they know into a parking lot.
War is an ugly business....
I say next time a convoy of civilans gets killed
in one of their cities then we make a 1 mile
permiiter around the city and drop MOAB into the
heart of the city to prove we are not fucking
around with them anymore.
If you support and harbor terrorists you are what
you protect.
Say hello to Allha when you see him.

I have seen the video, and ... (Below threshold)
Carlos:

I have seen the video, and boy am i madder than hell. I am a veteran gulf war one, and just came back from Iraq, 3 months ago. Watching the video just did not sit well with me, these cowards were not only covering their faces, but at the same time making this young man suffer. For 5 minutes of banter he just sat there and listened to these assholes talk about a god that accepts this. Than one minute of pure unadulterated horror and screams. After watching this video i went home and gave my son a great big hug and kiss, he is only 2 1/2 yrs old, but we now have to remember that these cowards have more hostages, one of them being a private in the army. Let us all pray for his and every one else's safe return. For those fucking towel wearing bastards that did that to Mr.Berg, Don't come to america talking that shit, because you will find me and 30 million other americans waiting for your asses....

Firstly I condemned the US ... (Below threshold)
Gabriele Sbattella:

Firstly I condemned the US Soldiers to what they did against the Iraqi. Now, after I have seen the video I say : "It's not enough, we gotta slaughter 'em all, this fucking bastards"

Things such as this tend to... (Below threshold)
John C:

Things such as this tend to bring things into perspective. These pricks want us all gone. The nerve of a suit spouting his distain for "those photos" is nauseating. Make a parking lot out of that sandy shitty place and let the virgins sort them out. Oh, wait, there are no virgins in Hell!

It's sad. I've been behind... (Below threshold)
Rose:

It's sad. I've been behind this war all along. I say I don't care about the WMDs, I'm just glad to have gotten Saddam out of power, sick shit that he was. Now I watched the video. The rest of you see more than I do. Oh I felt my stomach flip and my head got warm, but I could tell if Nick Berg was screaming. Those animals were, but I couldn't distinguish any other screams. Maybe I just didn't want to. I want him to have been tough, one last spit in their faces. Before this even happened, I didn't care about the Iraqi soldiers. Big deal, we embarrassed them. Knowing how the muslim people treat women (and it's bad, I've read 5 books on the subject) I can't imagine that as a female soldier in the prison I wouldn't have done the same thing. "You want to treat your women like dogs? I'll show you how it feels". No problem. I've known mulims in America and their stand on women isn't much different. They are a disappointment to the human race. I'm sad that they can look at our websites and see comments like "turn their country into a parking lot" (although I heartily agree), and probably are able to spin it to look like WE are the heartless, ignorant, villains. What they don't see is the freedom part of it all.

Oh by the way everyone, they ARE here. Read a book called "Terrorist Hunter" by Anonymous. It will scare the crap out of you.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation, Under god (excluding Allah), with Liberty and Justice for all.

As tragic and SAD and DISGU... (Below threshold)
Aminah Cooper:

As tragic and SAD and DISGUSTING it is to believe or even imagine this could happen in ANY country, we as americans are HYPOCRITES of the WORST KIND, and we must CONDEMN acts of TERRRORISM EVERYWHERE, INCLUDING HERE!! For those ignoramuses who posted here anti Arab/Islamic/'ALLAH' comments.......your IGNORANCE is PATHETIC and you need to search your souls for what the real TRUTH is and trust me, with your small minds, that might be difficult. Your so BAD now, yet most of you wouldn't DARE go over there talking the same CRAP and you know it, sitting here in the comfort of your home/office/library, answering/responding to emails and drinking coffee!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't use this video as an excuse to THROWUP your ugly hatred and criticism of a religion and people you know nothing about!!! DO SOMETHING.......LEARN SOMETHING instead of remaining IGNORANT, which is how MOST of you sound here!!! We invade THEIR country for OIL, claiming to want to FREE them, and then kill and arrest them, humiliate and degrade them afterwards, and COMPLAIN when one an american suffers.........HOW IGNORANT IS THAT.......the EPITOMY OF IGNORANCE! As an AMERICAN, the whole thing STINKS!

THERE IS NO GOD BUT THE ONE GOD, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, and MUHAMMAD WAS A PROPHET AND SERVANT OF GOD!!!!!!!

Consider that............

As tragic and SAD and DISGU... (Below threshold)
Aminah Cooper:

As tragic and SAD and DISGUSTING it is to believe or even imagine this could happen in ANY country, we as americans are HYPOCRITES of the WORST KIND, and we must CONDEMN acts of TERRRORISM EVERYWHERE, INCLUDING HERE!! For those ignoramuses who posted here anti Arab/Islamic/'ALLAH' comments.......your IGNORANCE is PATHETIC and you need to search your souls for what the real TRUTH is and trust me, with your small minds, that might be difficult. Your so BAD now, yet most of you wouldn't DARE go over there talking the same CRAP and you know it, sitting here in the comfort of your home/office/library, answering/responding to emails and drinking coffee!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't use this video as an excuse to THROWUP your ugly hatred and criticism of a religion and people you know nothing about!!! DO SOMETHING.......LEARN SOMETHING instead of remaining IGNORANT, which is how MOST of you sound here!!! We invade THEIR country for OIL, claiming to want to FREE them, and then kill and arrest them, humiliate and degrade them afterwards, and COMPLAIN when one an american suffers.........HOW IGNORANT IS THAT.......the EPITOMY OF IGNORANCE! As an AMERICAN, the whole thing STINKS!

THERE IS NO GOD BUT THE ONE GOD, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, and MUHAMMAD WAS A PROPHET AND SERVANT OF GOD!!!!!!!

Consider that............

I am so tired of people bas... (Below threshold)
Carlos:

I am so tired of people bashing the Military.
Granted what those "FEW" did to the prisoners was not the right thing, But "DON'T" you dare group the rest of us in the same"BAG". AT least they are still "ALIVE". Humiliated.....BUT ALIVE...
For those french bastards who are posting against America, always remember if not for us, you bastards would be eating "WIENER SHINTZEL",
and instead of names being like JEAN or what ever it would be HANS. Don't let the actions of few perceive the way you look at the military.I AM AN AMERICAN SOLDIER, do not talk about me or my bretheren unless you have rugg marched a mile in our combat boots or have fought by our side for the many freedoms that many of you have forgotten. It is easy to talk crap about the military, but until you have served you will know that FREEDOM IS REALLY NOT FREE. Nick Berg was a human, Like the prisoners, But he was also an AMERICAN.

I am so tired of people bas... (Below threshold)
Carlos:

I am so tired of people bashing the Military.
Granted what those "FEW" did to the prisoners was not the right thing, But "DON'T" you dare group the rest of us in the same"BAG". AT least they are still "ALIVE". Humiliated.....BUT ALIVE...
For those french bastards who are posting against America, always remember if not for us, you bastards would be eating "WIENER SHINTZEL",
and instead of names being like JEAN or what ever it would be HANS. Don't let the actions of few perceive the way you look at the military.I AM AN AMERICAN SOLDIER, do not talk about me or my bretheren unless you have rugg marched a mile in our combat boots or have fought by our side for the many freedoms that many of you have forgotten. It is easy to talk crap about the military, but until you have served you will know that FREEDOM IS REALLY NOT FREE. Nick Berg was a human, Like the prisoners, But he was also an AMERICAN.

re: aminah cooper; the God... (Below threshold)
John C:

re: aminah cooper; the God you seek does not teach keeping women subservient. He teaches via love, not pain. Sometimes war is needed, during such times, you do not kill needlessly. You are right about muhammad being a prophet. I believe the term is "doomsday prophet" or "false prophet". Compare the teachings of Jesus vs. muhammad, you may be surprized. I'll close with a final thought, real Americans always cap the name "American".

It's bad what our American ... (Below threshold)
Andrew:

It's bad what our American soldiers did to those people in the prison. But before people in the Arab world begin to throw stones at us, they should consider the condition and treatment of their own prisoners in their own countries. They act like we're barbaric (when those actions committed by a few were not done as part of the will of our contry or government). I wonder what the world would find out if some people with cameras took a surprise tour of the prisons in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and other Arab countries?
That said, I still think our troops who did what they did should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law--and they will be (after all, you break a law, you pay the price). Our country is held to a higher standard, and we should realize that and not do stupid things. (and our country has prosecuted its own in the past for war crimes, certainly more than other countries who party when such crimes are committed--renmember the Palestinians reaction to 9/11?). In World War II, our country was the one Germans wanted to be captured by, not Russia, because we were humane (same with Britain). However, there were American soldiers in WWII who, undoubtedly, did some things they shouldn't, and it's too bad that one person can give ammunition for other's to fire accusations against us.
Also, why don't muslims realize what we did in Kosovo? Why were fighting to rescue moslims from ethnic cleansing! Our country is the only one that puts its people in the line of fire for other people. And as for those who say we are their only for oil. Most of the people in this country are interested in having a better economy. However, we value freedom more, and we vote in our representative and senators, so our government goes back to the people who want the Iraqi people to have freedom (and not get tortured for losing a soccer game!). And as for people who say we are interested only in oil. How the heck do you know what my interests are? Are the people in this world mind readers? I don't think so! You DO NOT know what is going on in the mind of the President of the USA or in the mind of any other living human being. So don't be so arrogant and presume to know something that you do not know!
Muhammed was not a prophet. He was led astray by an evil spirit. The only way to receive forgiveness of sins is by the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Moslims think God forgives, but there is no payment. That is a mockery of forgivenss, like sweeping sin under the rug and pretending it never happened (that only cheapens sin--not honestly deals with it). The core beliefs of Islam are heresy. Sorry, but that is the way it is.

As an Englishman and an ex-... (Below threshold)
Davey:

As an Englishman and an ex-seviceman who served in the first gulf war I have just watched this atrocity and feel compelled to comment, something I never do.
Firstly I am a socialist who disagrees fundamentally with virtually all of this administrations foreign policies. I believe this war was poorly planned, timed and followed up. The reasons given were, at best, grossly exagerated and forces deployed without any clear exit strategy. The results were predictable - huge propaganda coups for Islaamic fundamentalists worldwide, thousands flocking to their banners because of the anti-western feelings fired up, and, worst of all unnecessary casualties to both Iraqi civilians and more importantly our coallition forces and western civilians - such as this obscene incident.
This brutal exexcution has, wrongly, been justified by the perpetrators as an act of revenge for the maltreatment of Iraqi prisoners. Those acts themselves were inexcusable. There were no WMDs and as this negates our reasons for invasion. We cannot justify ridding the world of Saddam if we cannot hold the moral high ground by showing that we are (and I know the degree of comparison is infinitisimal) no better than him by torturing and humiliating prisoners.
This said however, do not believe that this young man would not have died if the above abuse had not happened. No it would have taken any other act, real or fabricated, because we are faced with an enemy who truly hates us and everything we stand for.
Islaamic fundamentalism is the scourge of our time. These people will not rest until we are dead, subjugated or converted. The US with its, at times misplaced, unbending backing of Isreal, and us with our ties to you and our Imperial past, mark us out as infidel devils to be butchered like pigs - as we have just witnessed.
As I have said I am not a lover of all things American, however I do know what is right. When asked to choose I, as with the vast and silent majority in the UK, stand shoulder to shoulder with our US allies in the fight against these cowards who threaten our way of life. Nick Berg's murder just stiffens our resolve.
But let us choose our battlefields with more care in future.

These Islamic vermin need t... (Below threshold)
CC:

These Islamic vermin need to be eradicated,every one of them.Turn the middle east into sandy nothingness.I'm English and furious.For the sake of every decent,civilised person,America,end these people,finish them.It has to happen.God bless America.

I don't believe the Iraqis ... (Below threshold)
Nova:

I don't believe the Iraqis ever wanted this war. All thru humanity, the atrocities of war never change, only the time its waged. The lessons are STILL the same:

"An eye for an eye makes everyone blind."

"Anger begets anger."

Jesus knew this when he layed down his life. he set an example of how to turn the other cheek to save ourselves from our own eternal destruction. Follow Jesus's lead, folks.

I believe the brave Nick Berg knew this as he faced his end.

This is what happens when God is taken out of the equation. We need to humbly ask for God's forgiveness in doing what we've done, else it'll only get worse.

God bless all soldiers and all victims of all nations.

Davey said: "we are (and... (Below threshold)

Davey said: "we are (and I know the degree of comparison is infinitisimal) no better than him by torturing and humiliating prisoners."

Well thank God you managed that parenthetical.

I'm hoping that "Aussie" -... (Below threshold)
Cary:

I'm hoping that "Aussie" -"The US asked for it following the childish pranks done at the prison" is some kind of put-on or he is a psychotic idiot - no one could honestly be that stupid, unless he knows NOTHING about history. Darwin,what has happened to the species ?

I am too an AUSSIE and i wo... (Below threshold)
Fred.M:

I am too an AUSSIE and i would like to say that the comments made by "Aussie" are probably not the best to be making now. the worst thing we can do is attack eachother by saying the Americans asked for it. Mate no one deserves what happened to that poor guy. he was innocent. it brought tears to my eyes watching it. thinking about his poor family. this is horrible, what have we as humans come to. violence is the wrost thing. Our Prayers are with Nicks poor family. As a great man once said "ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE"

Gringos ignorantesYo... (Below threshold)
José Andrés Sánchez:

Gringos ignorantes
You rip what you saw
Berg no tuvo culpa, pero pagó por los pecados de otros
José Andrés Sánchez
Bolivia

Gringos ignorantesYo... (Below threshold)
José Andrés Sánchez:

Gringos ignorantes
You rip what you saw
Berg no tuvo culpa, pero pagó por los pecados de otros
José Andrés Sánchez
Bolivia

OIL? Look at the scenario: ... (Below threshold)
Luke:

OIL? Look at the scenario: Coalition pulls out, every one complains now that they didnt mop up what they started so in reality they are commited wether they think they should now or not due to the way they things are currently going. scenario 2: War never happened: Well know one knows what could have happened they possibilities are endless so i cant cast anything more than my imagination......world lives in peace etc etc/saddam did strike/more terrorist acts on coalition. A kangaroo becomes prime minister of Australia hey i dont know honestly. I love my country and i believe it to be one of the best as with USA and UK, how do you guys think we got this quality of life? Bush and John Howard and Blair all have to take the rap in their actions to provide you with the quality of life you enjoy. Do you really think that they all sit at a table and decide well lets get that oil and kill everyone in its way. It isnt that simple it cant be that simple i pray at least. So please if you are willing to give up anything that has anything to do with a natural resource please leave your car your TV your house your pots and pans at the door and take the next trip to the Amazon were you can rome around and vote each other off like survivor while eating sand and fish meals. All im saying is that the world has accelerated to such a point that we cant go back, its like we are in quick sand and the faster we struggle and try to dig out the deeper we sink. Im not saying that the end is nye and we should just sit here and let all the world fo to shit but lets be real thats the way the world is and we need these things to keep it going. Say a criminal is guilty of something and the cops cant get to them due to lack of evidence, so they go in on a raid that they were not to sure about but had a pretty good hunch "like a junkie that everyone knows is but we all dont say as that would offend our morals as we have never seen the needle in there arm" they go in there and cant find the dope, so they find some stolen VCRs and throw the book at him. In other words the man saddam deserve to go, they couldnt prove totally about weapons, he had some oil, he was a bad man, they went in on suspicion, find no weapons but find the fact that he is a mureder, rapist, torturing mutha fucka (excuse my french) so they use that to piss him off. Yes in the world there are a lot of other bad people in the world that they should get rid off, but why would you want to help because as what happened in iraq, the people wanted help, they get it, they cry wolf poor us, bush thinks well we can put up with the rejection after we help as the oil will help the rest of the "FREE" world. If we help palestine or isreal they would say yay come help us, coallition would, then they say get out this is ours now, and america would get no benefit out of it. In other words yes i know theres oil in it and youd have to be dumb not to include it in the equation but if there are 4 people about to be murdered and you could save one and they were at equal in every human way but one has a million bucks if you save them, youd pick that one if you had to pick. (dont say you wouldnt pick any as this is the whole point to this anologee (yes i cant spell) the point being you had to choose)
I support what we are doing in Iraq and Afgahnistan i love Australia and i have a strong feeling of admiration of my leader as well as yours and the UKs they are making the hard decisions for us, if you think you could do better then start doing it, dont complain that they are in power how did that happen etc etc, stop posting responses and go to your local government, be peaceful, try every day to make a difference. In the end God Bless Earth.

its midnight nearly in Aust... (Below threshold)
Luke:

its midnight nearly in Australia so im just randomly typing sorry for any uncoherant opinions i may be typing

José Andrés Sánchezeat a... (Below threshold)
Luke:

José Andrés Sánchez

eat a dick

First thing is this is war.... (Below threshold)
Joe:

First thing is this is war. Don't expect for rebels in Iraq not to do crazy ass things. And if u think were ever going to win Iraq your wrong. This is vietnam but with religion thrown in too. Of course its a bad thing they did but we attacked a country that did NOTHING to us. If they had WMD I am sure they would have used them already but no they didn't
Second most of you are blind to the truth. You don't think that behind closed doors were doing MUCH MUCH worse things to Iraqi/Afghani prisioners
Wake up people!!! You all say how bad these other people are look at what our government does These terrorists have money,people and motovation. We will never be able to stop them worldwide. Think about it.. how long ago did we get attacked? Do we even have Osama yet? or ever close? Our intel doesn't even know who else is connected to them also everyone shouts AMERICA AMERICA We're the best blah blah blah bull bull bull Were so GREAT our economy is going DOWN and our schools failing jobs LOST and for what? yeah lets go help some people who don't want our help

First thing is this is war.... (Below threshold)
Joe:

First thing is this is war. Don't expect for rebels in Iraq not to do crazy ass things. And if u think were ever going to win Iraq your wrong. This is vietnam but with religion thrown in too. Of course its a bad thing they did but we attacked a country that did NOTHING to us. If they had WMD I am sure they would have used them already but no they didn't
Second most of you are blind to the truth. You don't think that behind closed doors were doing MUCH MUCH worse things to Iraqi/Afghani prisioners
Wake up people!!! You all say how bad these other people are look at what our government does These terrorists have money,people and motovation. We will never be able to stop them worldwide. Think about it.. how long ago did we get attacked? Do we even have Osama yet? or ever close? Our intel doesn't even know who else is connected to them also everyone shouts AMERICA AMERICA We're the best blah blah blah bull bull bull Were so GREAT our economy is going DOWN and our schools failing jobs LOST and for what? yeah lets go help some people who don't want our help

Jose ANdreas Sanchez......<... (Below threshold)
carlos:

Jose ANdreas Sanchez......

You are truly ignorant, to say that we deserved what should get. It is easy tofor to say when your country has never had to fight for anything, but when you want something from the U.S.
we are no longer ignorant????
Let me see, no one ever says they want to go to"BOLIVIA", because it the land of the free....
i think not, i am hispanic, a soldier, but most important i am AMERICAN, you dumb ass

Joe, If you truly fe... (Below threshold)
Carlos:

Joe,
If you truly feel that way, why don't you go live in Iraq or Iran or Any where else that is a primative society, go compare the economy and the schools there ...Than come back and say your"BLAH BLAH BLAH AND BULL BULL BULL" you bleeding heart pantywaist

Joe said: You don't thin... (Below threshold)

Joe said: You don't think that behind closed doors were doing MUCH MUCH worse things to Iraqi/Afghani prisioners

I certainly hope so.

Khalid Sheik Mohammed, Ramzi bin al-Shibh, Saddam Hussein and dozens of other al Qaida members and high ranking Baathists for instance?

Bring on KSM's water torture and screw the New York Times.

you fellas got just a bit t... (Below threshold)
ben dover:

you fellas got just a bit too much time on your hands. dont you work?

you guys sound like broads ... (Below threshold)
dover what:

you guys sound like broads the way your rantin and raving. like a god damn "chatty cathy" doll except your pulling your own string. keep up the good thoughts, your intelligence shines through like gold.

to Aminah Cooper: your firs... (Below threshold)
Dave:

to Aminah Cooper: your first post came from a mailbox at abouttime.com. I went to that web site and saw all the expensive watches that you are selling to rich AMERICAN movie stars, while you are on this site slamming the country you are living in, and making money in. Secondly, I think by watching the Nick Berg video, it tells us all we need to know about your god and his prophet. Thirdly, why don't you move to one of the wonderful islamic countries if we AMERICANS and our country are so awfull? I'll tell you why, because if you were there, you wouldn't be able to sell expensive watches to rich AMERICAN movie stars, and if you spoke out like this against an islamic country you were living in, you and your entire family would disapear and wind up like Nick Berg.

Great post on A.COOPER, Dav... (Below threshold)
carlos:

Great post on A.COOPER, Dave. I absolutely agree with you....

Hey Amina. There is no ju... (Below threshold)
Mohammad Syed:

Hey Amina. There is no justification for what they did to Nick Berg. I support (in part) what the Americans are doing there. However, regardless of what the ignorant Al-Qaida sympathizers will have you beleive, Islam commands us to not harm, torture, or do injustice to any prisoners of war. Apparently, these Al Qaeda nuttjobs want to pick out only those parts of Islam which they prefer. Remember everyone, one-fourth of the planet is Muslim and if there WERE some agenda to destroy everyone who doesnt beleive as we do, there would have been a huge world war already. One of the first teachings is THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION. The verse that everyone keep referring to had only a historical context to it (which will take some time to explain but the reasons were similar to Joshua and the Jew's slaying of all inhabitants of areas of the middle east. The point I am making is, in relaity over 80% of the beleifs of Muslims, Jews, and Christians are the same!!! Whoever thinks all U.S. soldiers are angels were distraught by the images of the recent torture. Whoever thinks all U.S. soliders are devils needs to see the good work being done in afghanistan and iraq. Whoever thinks all mujahiddeen are inherantly evil never saw the charitable work many of them do and how peaceful and embracing of people of all faiths they are. Whoever thinks all muahiddeen are good didnt see the world trade center bombing or the nick berg video. The point I am making is, why can't good people unite with other good people regardless of the labels (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, American, Iraqi)?? We all know that the crusaders and these terrorists claiming Islam are all full of it so let unite against everyone.

For all my Christain comrades who truly beleive Islam is out to kill all Christians, they never witness the gatherings of faiths brought together by pope john paul every year and how Iran's preident and the pope met eachother and were pleased with eachother's company. Just my two cents.

Make them eat pig till they... (Below threshold)
Lunacanis:

Make them eat pig till they burst. Some good ol' American BBQ would do them good!

Let one of those bastards get in MY sights.
The Judge will ask "why did you shoot that man 30 times?"
My reply "Your Honor, I had 30 rounds in the clip!"

Time to make these bastard animals see who they been F'n with!
Bring your best to my house, I will show you how ass is kicked in America!

To Nick Berg's Family:
Vengence shall be yours. May yours be Blessed in this time of grief.

Make them eat pig till they... (Below threshold)
Lunacanis:

Make them eat pig till they burst. Some good ol' American BBQ would do them good!

Let one of those bastards get in MY sights.
The Judge will ask "why did you shoot that man 30 times?"
My reply "Your Honor, I had 30 rounds in the clip!"

Time to make these bastard animals see who they been F'n with!
Bring your best to my house, I will show you how ass is kicked in America!

To Nick Berg's Family:
Vengence shall be yours. May yours be Blessed in this time of grief.

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Angelo:

First of all, I would like to say that I was appalled at the mistreatment of the Iraqi prisoners. Interrogation is one thing, but to completely humiliate them in the way as shown in the pictures was way out of line. No wonder the Iraqis are mad as hell. I would be too if the situation was reversed. By the way, who would be stupid enough to take pictures of that anyways? Didn't they realize that they may slip into the wrong hands or that someone "may talk".
After viewing the video of Mr. Berg's execution, I was totally numb. This was not a "Dawn of the Dead" movie. This was the real thing. How could those cowards, who have to cover their faces, do this to an innocent civilian who had no part in this 'war against terror'. I can understand the Iraqis who are being detained at the prisons in Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, and other sites. They have been there since the war started or have been captured as suspects. Why would they kill someone who was there to help their country out? I say, pull our ground troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Have the president order a full airwar campaign and bomb the hell out of them countries. Even if they have to be nuked. We'll take the repercussions later. But now, the madness needs to be stopped. Let their fucking Mohammed or Allah or whoever the hell they worship sort out the innocents.
As for Israel, you motherfuckers may want to decide on dong the same thing. Or just give in to the Palestinians. It's all about land anyways. You folks obviously didn't learn a damn thing from American history on how the 'white man' stole, bought, wheeled & dealed, and screwed the North American Indians for the lands they had.

People say its wrong to be ... (Below threshold)

People say its wrong to be racist to Iraqi's but either way what we did to those prisoners was wrong and poor Nick Berg died because of this. I blame thee American Soilders who did that to the prisoners. If they hadn't of done that then we wouldn't have an innocent man dead

My friend says we're just as bad as the terrorist. If weren't not terroists! What we do to them they do it 10 times worse

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Daryl:

If george wants the freedom and human rights all he has to do is look inside the US at how many people are deprived and stuggle for basic American needs. It's unfortunate for these people that their own government has blindly turn their heads. Many are veterans that has fought for American rights only to be looked over. 911 was horrible !!! The US should extinguish Al Quada to the fullest extent. Iraq was not Al Quada.. no matter what george says there was no link!! For years those ragheads have been saying that the US will invade a Mideast country and thanks george you fell into their trap. Defending the US is by no means an excuse to try to establish a Democracy for people that can not control themselves. george you have stainded the image of the GREAT U.S. The world is losing respect for America with the bullshit policies this president has incorporated. We are the MOST hated country. Only Hitler was able to piss off more people. I totally support the US troops and Thanks for their Bravery, Loyalty, and Insipration of American values. Lets get our troops back home and DEFEND America. We do not need to police countries that can not be trusted. If they attack, kick, spit, or look crooked at the U.S., then we have the right to Defend ourselfs. This war is costing the US taxpayers and all for nothing.

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Terry:

I saw the video for the first time today and it just makes my blood boil. Senseless murder of an innocent AMERICAN, by six hooded assholes (let's not forget the cameraman, who is as guilty as the other five), SIX COWARDS that cannot show their faces because they know what will happen to them when they are caught. It's just a matter of time. Why do we play these stupid fucking political games with these people? Enough of the penny-ante horse shit playing around with these mother fuckers. JUST NUKE 'EM AND GET IT OVER WITH.

Thank you Nova for your com... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Thank you Nova for your comments. We are too often swept up in anger and not in love and forgiveness.

The conflicts in Iraq have ... (Below threshold)
Wake up people:

The conflicts in Iraq have NOTHING to do with terrorism!!!!

I wish people would recognize that.

As far as the video, it's only retaliation for what was viewed as Americans braggin of the solider abuse.

America started it by poking it's nose into Iraq, Iraq should be the ones to finish it.

Now let's get the fuck out of there.

First of all, we need to lo... (Below threshold)
Celina:

First of all, we need to look at Mr. Berg as a human being, not just an American. We also need to remember there are human beings, innocent humans, little children, old children, good people all over the world....even in Iraq. This "war" we are fighting did not just all of a sudden come out of nowhere. I think people should really consider who the real instigator is. Our President and his money hungry administratrion should first protect our country and our innocent children before they go looking for an excuse to get us over there to protect their oil company. We are all victims to the Bush administration. I think many people are so blind by current events, they forget all the crap the Bush's have done in the past and are still doing. Come one people, open your eyes and look at the big picture here! Look at Bush's first reaction to 9/11 incident when he accused the pilot of the first plane as being a "bad driver" when they told him as it had just happened. And who the hell gave Hussein the "weapons of mass destruction" in the first place? Hello!

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Marianne:

I would like to say that I support our US Military 100% - I believe that if the Iraqi's would like to stay ignorant as they are by slaughtering our citizens who went their to help them rebuild their country - then we should let them fail in their endeavors. And failure is all they are capable of.

I pray for the war to end soon. We should not send anymore of our citizens over there to help them better their lives when they obviousily have no value for human life to start with.

I find myself sickened by the Iraqi's actions/attitudes and do not see my views changing anytime soon!!!!

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Marianne:

I would like to say that I support our US Military 100% - I believe that if the Iraqi's would like to stay ignorant as they are by slaughtering our citizens who went their to help them rebuild their country - then we should let them fail in their endeavors. And failure is all they are capable of.

I pray for the war to end soon. We should not send anymore of our citizens over there to help them better their lives when they obviousily have no value for human life to start with.

I find myself sickened by the Iraqi's actions/attitudes and do not see my views changing anytime soon!!!!

We need to shove unlubricat... (Below threshold)
Bob:

We need to shove unlubricated pieces of lit charcoal up their bums. Then we need to tie Bowling balls to their pee-pees. Then we need to make them eat lots of poo-poo and drink their own wee-wee and then make them eat boogers!

Je ne parle pas bien anglai... (Below threshold)

Je ne parle pas bien anglais, c'est pourquoi j'écris mon message en français, ils ont passé la vidéo sur une chaine en france mais elle était pas complčte. je l'ai trouvé sur kazza et j'ai fait un site : www.berg.be.tf . je suis dégouté pas ce qu'ils ont fait ŕ mr Berg, je crois que les terroristes disent dans la vidéo que dieux est grand et bien je n'ai qu'une chose ŕ dire ... J'ESPERE QUE LA COLERE DE DIEU ENVERS CEUX QUI ONT FAIT çA SERA INCONCEVABLE !!!


COURA LES USA DANS VOTRE GUERRE CONTRE LE TERRORISME!!!

un petit belge qui pense ŕ vous...

COURAGE LES USA DANS VOTRE ... (Below threshold)

COURAGE LES USA DANS VOTRE GUERRE CONTRE LE TERRORISME!!!

Whoever doesn't watch the B... (Below threshold)
Harry Katz:

Whoever doesn't watch the Berg video because they feel it's too gruesome ought to go sip wine and eat bread in some fucking Paris bistro and get the fuck out of the U.S.


Just as we need to stand behind the members of the military (not necessarily the government) who risk their lives every day in Iraq and elsewhere, we need to stand behind the people who already gave their lives and in the case of Nick Berg, this means watching how he died.


If the government and the media need to hermetically seal the gruesome prison photos and the video then we can't make informed decisions about the war. Hearing about a beheading is entirely different than knowing the extent of the evil we are dealing with. Not showing the video is just like the fucking Bush administration not wanting us to see pictures of caskets coming back to the U.S.

Are we the home of the brave and the land of the free or just like any other fucking fascist country that controls what their citizens see? We're supposed to be fighting so that Iraq can live democratically and here we are keeping the truth from our own people.

The video is online. Look for it. Watch it. And get angry. At al-Qaeda, at Bush, at CBS... But if you can't allow yourselves to get angry, or if your government doesn't want you to get angry, then Nicholas Berg's life may have just been snuffed out in vain.

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Casey:

I just watched the video and it is the most horrible thing I have ever seen. I have always been all for the war but now I'm not so sure. I mean we go over there to save a country that has so many problems when in all reality as soon as we leave it will go back to the same way it was before. We have enough problems in our country. We could use the billions of dollars that we have spent trying to fix theirs to fix our own. But of course not us we have to prove to the rest of the world that we are a country of freedom and that everyone else should envy us. Envy what, the fact that we have people crashing our own planes into our own buildings or that we are stupid enough to sacrifice our own men to try to save a country that has done absolutley nothing for us. I don't see them handing over their money to help with our problems. I know one of the soldiers over there fighting for our country and I have alot of respect for him and all of the other men and women serving. While we wake up every morning without a care in the world, they wake up every morning praying that it's not their last.

To Mr Berg's family and all of the soldiers: God Bless You!

This is beyond WMDs now, an... (Below threshold)
IdesOfMarch23:

This is beyond WMDs now, and bipartison politics too. This had nothing to do with "torturing" prisoners. It was just an excuse to kill an American and make a spectacle of it. I hope everyone can now see what we are really facing--a war against Islam. Terrorism is built into their pathetic religion (I use the term "religion" loosely). What sort of religion fosters this? What sort of religion has no tolerance built in? Hate is the glue which holds it together. The "good" muslims are the ones who are attacking us because they are following the Koran. The "bad" muslims are the one who pretend to be our friends. Sick, isn't it?

Anyone who believes that al... (Below threshold)
Luke:

Anyone who believes that all the religions should unite is obviousley and athiest, as no religion supports another religion, if it did then there would be no credibility in their own belief. There can be only one god, one jesus, one alla, one buddha etc etc. I am a christian so to me if you are not a christian you are wrong and i dont support your views, i do not hate, want to hurt, feel anger for anyone that is not, i just choose to disagree with their beliefs. In reality these muslim fanatics are doing what we should be doing, disregarding everyone else. We are so caught up in not wanting to offend their religion that we are puting obstacles in the way the coalition ect etc. Dont get me wrong, i have some muslim firends, i have one buddhist friend, three catholic and one jewish, i am a christian, i love my friends regardless of religion however i do not respect their religion, respect their customs etc etc, i tell them that they are wrong i tell them not to force their beliefs on me, they can talk to me civily about their views and vise versa, you see jesus did not say to us "ok if you dont have faith in me, everyone that does is going to kill you for not" he was saying "have faith in me, if you dont, this is why you should (turn a few urns of water into wine, heal the sick, feed the poor etc etc) if you dont you may not go to heaven etc etc" and to the people that did believe in him he told them "spread the word, tell people about the gospel etc etc, if they dont believe, dont hate them, love them, help them, feed them ect etc" however all these muslim freaks have a view of that if you do not believe in their beliefs you are infidels etc etc and deserve to die. Any religion that hates those who do not follow is not a peaceful and kind religion, for a long time the christians have had to listen to these threats for doing what we do and all we do is show more and more compassion to them for threatening us, this is god, this is religion, this is the real way. I respect every race so this is not racism, there are many mixed races who follow the same religion, its the ones who hate those that do not follow theres because as a christian you would love those who do not follow. This is just my view for anyone who believes in all this lets all get together and be one happy religion crap, if my bible says dont worshop any other god than him as he is the only one then thats what im going to do and im not going to site by and let someone tell me any different, they can do what they like, difference is that i would let them eat at my table still if they were hungry muslim or christian but they would cut my head off or fly a plane into my building for not being muslim, also anyone who says that its the americans picking on muslims is wrong, they are the ones using there religion as an excuse for what they are doing when terrorising the world, everytime the coalition acts all the muslims cry that we are picking on them, stop comparing bush etc to hitler, hitler said i hate jews, lets kill jews etc etc. No coalition has done that, they have still offered reasonable care, compassion and an open hand to all muslims who dont support terrorism. Also i dont think nick was to smart about being in iraq, not that this means he deserved it but come on youd have to be nuts to go there unless you were a soldier. Lets bring these guys to justice for sure, but lets all focus on making sure that no non muslim is in there as prevention is the best cure for a grieving father.

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TRC:

I JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO OF NICK BERG, AND NOW I'M PISSED. FOR STARTERS, I WAS AGAINST THIS WAR FROM THE BEGINNING, FOR MANY REASONS, BUT MY MAIN REASON WAS IF BIN LADEN WAS THE ONE IN CHARGE OF 9/11 THEN WHAT IN THE HELL ARE WE OVER IN IRAQ FOR? YES I KNOW SADDAM IS A SICK F*CK, BUT AT THAT MOMENT, OSAMA, WAS OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM. THE ONLY REASON WE WENT OVER THERE WAS BECAUSE BUSH JR WANTED TO REDEEM HIS FATHERS NAME FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT HE F*CKED UP IN DESERT STORM. THAT IS ALL THIS COMES DOWN TOO. NOW, LOOK AT ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN WE ARE LOSING BECAUSE BUSH IS A FREAKING TRIGGER HAPPY WAR LOVING ASSHOLE.
MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE BERG FAMILY, AND I COULD NEVER SAY ENOUGH PRAYERS FOR THEM. I CAN'T REALLY SAY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TOO ON THIS INTERNET, BUT ALL I KNOW IS WE FOR REAL NEED TO MAKE A BEAUTIFUL OCEAN OUT OF THAT PIECE OF SHIT LAND OVER THERE. IT'S SHOULD BE F*CKING OURS ANYWAY.

Nice try Mohammad Syed. You... (Below threshold)
IdesOfMarch23:

Nice try Mohammad Syed. You can sugar-coat that filthy despicable excuse for a religion all you want. We are seeing the true colors of Islam now!

I JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO OF... (Below threshold)
TRC:

I JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO OF NICK BERG, AND NOW I'M PISSED. FOR STARTERS, I WAS AGAINST THIS WAR FROM THE BEGINNING, FOR MANY REASONS, BUT MY MAIN REASON WAS IF BIN LADEN WAS THE ONE IN CHARGE OF 9/11 THEN WHAT IN THE HELL ARE WE OVER IN IRAQ FOR? YES I KNOW SADDAM IS A SICK F*CK, BUT AT THAT MOMENT, OSAMA, WAS OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM. THE ONLY REASON WE WENT OVER THERE WAS BECAUSE BUSH JR WANTED TO REDEEM HIS FATHERS NAME FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT HE F*CKED UP IN DESERT STORM. THAT IS ALL THIS COMES DOWN TOO. NOW, LOOK AT ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN WE ARE LOSING BECAUSE BUSH IS A FREAKING TRIGGER HAPPY WAR LOVING ASSHOLE.
MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE BERG FAMILY, AND I COULD NEVER SAY ENOUGH PRAYERS FOR THEM. I CAN'T REALLY SAY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TOO ON THIS INTERNET, BUT ALL I KNOW IS WE FOR REAL NEED TO MAKE A BEAUTIFUL OCEAN OUT OF THAT PIECE OF SHIT LAND OVER THERE. IT'S SHOULD BE F*CKING OURS ANYWAY.

Nice try Mohammad Syed. You... (Below threshold)
IdesOfMarch23:

Nice try Mohammad Syed. You can sugar-coat that filthy despicable excuse for a religion all you want. We are seeing the true colors of Islam now!

Carlos,God bless you... (Below threshold)
IdesOfMarch23:

Carlos,
God bless you dude. You say it like I wish I could. My son just got out of the Marines 2 days ago. He fought in Operation Iraqi Freedom. His bunch is back over there fighting around Fallujah. He lost a buddy about 3 weeks ago.

Hey "Steve"... well first o... (Below threshold)
Justin Kase:

Hey "Steve"... well first of all..... I certainly will not be told of my Jewish heritage anytime soon... as it never existed.

Next... turned 13... LONG ago.

Next... the name... read it aloud. So much for puting a jewish spin on it.

Oi vey!

Hey... by the way ...albeit macht frei.

I'd like to rip the dicks o... (Below threshold)
Lisa:

I'd like to rip the dicks off those bastards and shove them in thier mouths!

I read the responses wonder... (Below threshold)
shi:

I read the responses wondering if I should submit to the viewing of the video. I deeply cry in my soul. Oh! We are truly living days that will end in judgemnt. I am sure there are soldiers over there who may not want to fight, as there are soldiers here with the same desires. Freedom is not free, look what God did to free us from the bondage of sin.
We are all evil and that is something each person must face, until then we are lost in our sins. REading some of the comments break my heart. Allah is not Jesus. tHe God of The Holy Bible is clearly not the God of the Koran. I have studied under an Imam and it is obvious.
We have to educate ourselves, truly. I am sure this man knew the dangers and as horiffying as it may all seem, his soul was strong. Death is not easy if your in an accident, heart attach, klidnapped and murdered, or tortured as a prisoner. Sin is what kills us. We think out body is eveil, but truly it is our soul. Our poor body has to deal with our wretched spririt. I thank god for Jesus, becasue of Him The Holy Spirit has come in and abides in me and restraines that evil. I am not pure. I am not perfect and sinless. There's only one and One Day every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that He/Jesus is Lord.
Final note: Beware of those who say they love Jesus. The name Jesus has been made an idol of man's thinking. Jesus of the Bible is the Only One who can save and redeem us.
My hear goes out to the soldiers, work me, people ont he other side who are not wanting to participate in the things they have to, children who are being abused and molested, people who are strung out on drugs waisting their precious God given lifes, orpahns, widows, elderly people and people who are lost in their sin.

I may not know everything a... (Below threshold)
Brett:

I may not know everything about whats going on, but i completely agree with Carlos...everyone bashes the military...you talk so much shit about them...i dont see you doing shit about it! If its so bad than why dont you join and fix it up? My dads been with the army for over 25 years...ive had to deal with him leaving for shit-holes like iraq for months at a time...

Watching this video made me sick...not only did they kill Nick...which is bad enough...they made him suffer terribly! Having your head being ripped from your body and not being able to do a thing about it...i want these bastards to pay in the same way as Mr. Berg did! but, beheading those guys would be an honour for them. Even that is too good for them...they should be publicly humiliated and tortured!

Get out of there? amd do w... (Below threshold)
shi:

Get out of there? amd do what? Duh! They bomd spain to scare them and it worked. They got out of there. Whether or not we should have ever gone is obsolete, what we need to do is finish the job we said we would do and that is helping htem. I'm no supporter in any president's full will, but it's obvious Bush is not after oil since he's supporting by mouth and wiht money hybrid cars which use less oil. Also, it was offered to him to help in the cost of the war and he turned it down, just to prove people wrong about his mission.
The young man who was recently decapitated is no longer in pain. We all die and there are millions of horrific deaths going on. People starving for days until they can't move because they are so hungry and thirsty, children being kidnapped and abused, murders, people dying with diseases which there are plenty of vaccines, teens dying over drug over does, war etc. His death was not pleasant, but hopefully this is a wake up call for people and htey will try to figure out why they are living and who created them and what His will is for them.
I won't go into all of the aplogetics of the Bible, but if you seek you will find. Get books o other religions out, compare them, learn about them etc...
The father of this young man either spoke blindly out of sorrow, or he's some sick wacko. To blame bush for the death of his son was wrong and ignorant.
To blame bush for the bad actions of some soldiers is wrong. What parent is blamed when their 18 year child steals, hurts, lies, murders etc. If we can't control our children, and we can't 24/7, then how do we expect a president with millions of things to do control every single soldier. That's why there's peple in power, not one. There are others to blame for that. Blame bush if he consented to it or turned a blind eye, but he didn't.
When are we going to wake up? America is not going to win. Iraq, China, Russia, Africa, Japan etc are not going to win. This is a battle that goes far beyond us and our intellect. The battle is already won, the losers are trying to take everyone they cna wiht them. all of our days are numbered. My question to you is---"Who are you going to serve the rest of the days of your life"
The bible clearly talks about the time we live in. It's confusing and evil appears to be good to a foolish person.
Do we always speak? Do we always remain silent? Do we always play? do we always sing? Do we always laugh? Do we always share? Do we always with hold our selves? The answer is no to all of these
There's no easy answer to the deaths of our soldiers or there's. tHere's no easy answer to fixing this war. Wisdom needs to be applied.
Instead of God bless America, alone, we should sing God bless this world and all of the sinners (we all are) in it.
His reply would be somthing like this----------I did......I sent My Son.

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cap:

I was incredulous when I first heard rumors in 2001 that Bush was contemplating invading Iraq, using 9/11 and WMD as excuses. But the Democrats in Congress are equally to blame for supporting the move. As Jimmy Carter pointed out at the time, Iraq was so completely contained, so weakened since 1990, that even had there been WMD Saddam represented no threat. How sad that the enormity of our trashing of Iraq could never produce the horrific response of this stomach-turning video. Unless Mr. Berg knew his fate in advance, thus being subjected to long psychological torment, his personal suffering cannot compare with that of thousands of Iraqis and hundreds of Americans who have been mutilated and are still alive.

I was incredulous when I fi... (Below threshold)
cap:

I was incredulous when I first heard rumors in 2001 that Bush was contemplating invading Iraq, using 9/11 and WMD as excuses. But the Democrats in Congress are equally to blame for supporting the move. As Jimmy Carter pointed out at the time, Iraq was so completely contained, so weakened since 1990, that even had there been WMD Saddam represented no threat. How sad that the enormity of our trashing of Iraq could never produce the horrific response of this stomach-turning video. Unless Mr. Berg knew his fate in advance, thus being subjected to long psychological torment, his personal suffering cannot compare with that of thousands of Iraqis and hundreds of Americans who have been mutilated and are still alive.

Aren't you ready to start k... (Below threshold)
Big Jim:

Aren't you ready to start killing these fucking sand niggers in this country? They own almost every gas station and rip us off with their Saudia Arabia pals...OPEC! What they did on 9/11/01 in the name of that cum sucking god of theirs was enough reason to kill and mame all those who live here, yet hate our way of life. WAKE UP AMERICANS....Start taking these bastards out!! What kind of America do you want your children and grandchildren to have? And as far as the Nick Berg murder...we need to bring these maggots back to the US and throw them into South Central LA, or better yet, the Bronx...and let American justice prevail.

Why don't you fucking moron... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Why don't you fucking moron's piost the video instead of playing this game trying to get people stuck in your dumb fucking website.

Get a life!!

Wake up idiots! The prisone... (Below threshold)
Rex Oates:

Wake up idiots! The prisoner abuse had nothing to do with this cold-blooded murder. They used it as a propaganda tool, and you morons are falling for it, and giving these killers the reaction they were hoping for. Shame on all of you for being so stupid. As for muslims, when you get tired of worshiping a false god, i'll be glad to tell you about the living god.

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Ed:

As long as we continue to allow these sub-human animals to invade our country, we will be vulnerable. You can say that this is not "typical" of muslim teachings, but where the fuck are the supposed "good God fearing muslims" when this type of shit happens? In the streets, burning U.S. flags,carrying signs praising the terrorist cowards and mostly screaming like a bunch of monkeys. Look at them, and tell me they are derivitives of the same race as us. I've seen animals at the zoo act more normal.

I supported the war cause I thought it was worth the sacrifice to free a helpless society. No more! These fucking pieces of shit are nothing but under-developed animals who require several million years of development to approach the genetic symmetry of whale shit! I say we take a line from the movie Aliens..."take off and nuke the site from space"! Fuck 'em. Let them all wallow around like the animals they are and kill each other. No loss to humanity. And take the fuckin' Palestinians with 'ya!!!
Oh yeah, and if you cowards ever develop a set of balls, why don't you bring that shit here and fight like men. I'd love nothin' better than the oppurtunity to shove a shotgun up one of their sheets and blow a hole in their dickless crotches. BTW, that's the real reason why it's so insulting for them to be seen naked...they don't want anyone to know they are dickless subhuman creatures. We need a new motto in America.... "Kill 'em all, Let God sort 'em out"!!!!! Old marine saying, but applies to this degenerate form of life.
Nick...rest in peace my man - we'll get those mother fuckers and fuck 'em good!!!!!

As Allan Watts said years a... (Below threshold)
Paul:

As Allan Watts said years ago:

Religion is a pointing finger, and most people spend more time sucking on it than looking to where it is pointing.

I started to download the video, but after reading these comments, I think my life will be all the better for deleting it before I see it. Besides, that's just what they want, right? For us to see their sick performance and get scared and give up? They act so tough, but they never seem to show their faces...

AMINA COOPER + JOSE ANDRES ... (Below threshold)

AMINA COOPER + JOSE ANDRES SANCHES= DUMF

AMINAH IM 16 BITCH AND I PROBABLY KNOW MORE THAN UR MUSLIM ASS

Dear Fellow Citizens:... (Below threshold)
David:

Dear Fellow Citizens:

Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with September 11th. September 11th had nothing to do with Saddamn Hussein. Yes, he was an a-hole, but he had nothing to do with the attacks September 11th. George W Bush admitted this. Stop conflating the two.

Here's a piece of irony for you: Remember Jessica Lynch? The Pfc captued back during the invasion? She was captured by the Iraqi army. Survived as a POW. Then, we overthrow the government, cause a massive power vaccuum and - low and behold - Al Queda gets a footing in Iraq. Now we've got people getting captured and beheaded.

My point? Nice work, George, you've created more terrorists.

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KENT:

I agree with a few people in here...only read one person bring up the "WMD". I knew it would get buried under all this chaos. Its the whole reason the americans invaded iraq.Bush promised the world weapons of mass destruction from iraq. So far i havent seen shit...the average american killed over there is under 28....its a fukn sin....i've even noticed now the majority of iraqi's dont even want the coalition there!i believe what america and its allys need to do is find this crazy cunt zarqawuhihi or whatever the fuck his name is who beheaded Nick Berg (god bless his soul)and STORM the fukn place 10.000 trooops sorround a fukn city and STORM IT DOOR TO DOOR. i havent seen the video , and why the fuck would i its gotta be fukn gruesome WHERES THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION BUSH YOU FUCK UP!

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Al:

I want all of you to think about all the sick and twisted people in the United States who have murdered their fellow human beings because God or some other "greater power" in their mind told them to. They are called psychopaths, serial killers. Now take all of the names you can think and change them to arabic names. It doesn't make a damn difference. What is the point?

All of you idiots who are so quick to desire death on an entire country if not the entire religion of islam are as bad as the sick bastards who made that video. I hate Bush but I am so happy that ignorant fuks like you don't run this country because if you did then the world would thrown into nuclear war and humanity would end up paying the price.

I would like to comment on every person here who let their rage amplify their stupidity and lash out in their posts but there are far too many here. Instead I will ask you this...how would you as Americans feel if some psychos from some part of the United States kidnaps a muslim man, woman, or kid and commits the same terrible act on video? If any of you would take delight in that then you are a sad sad human being but the scariest thing is that I can see something like that coming soon if things don't change soon. Seeing as how sikhs were shot after 9/11 just because they look muslim, I don't think my fear is unwarranted.

For those of you who are too young to know better, I hope you change your ignorant views in the future or at least after your anger has died down. For those of you who are older and are sad excuses for adults, I hope your children don't grow up to be idiots like you. And for all those who have let their hate overpower them...you have made the terrorists of the world happy. They seek to induce hate and they have accomplished it in you. So look in the mirror and see their success.

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Mr. Bungle:

Al, you are one of the few sensible people posting here.

So quick is everyone to condemn to miserable death the entirety of the Muslim world. Clearly many of you are too stupid to see that the blind hatred we condemn terrorists for consuming your ill-informed brains.

1. Al-Qaida (which many of you have a hard time spelling) was not in Iraq before we 'liberated' it. For those of you who read, the mountains of supposition and allusion that the administration has trotted out linking the two is so false as to be funny. Hussein feared and mistrusted Islamic radicals - Iraq was a deliberately secular state, probably the most so in the whole Mideast.

2. Christians have been accountable for slaughter and hatred in the past, the present, and will be in the future. The weak-willed and malleable among us are never capable of seeing the evil in our own ranks - we simply scream scream scream for the home team, and the hell with everyone else.

3. People are dying on both sides - and on both sides, there are good people who are trying to make a difference, one way or another. The prison guards are not those people - the Berg murderers are not those people - and yet on both sides, witless reactionary xenophobes are instantly demonising everyone on the other 'side' (Muslim / Christian, Western / Mideastern) and calling for death to everyone. All the yahoos calling for death to Islam are the same types of people who make great terrorists - they are even suggesting colourful ways to torture and kill the 'sub-human' Iraqis (who, it turns out, are mostly civilians trying to get on with their lives, like you and I)

This will only stop when people stop wanting to hate, and believing / knowing that most people want the same thing, regardless of race / creed / nationality - peace, love and prosperity. And for the sick bastards in any and all camps - we need to stop taking them as representatives for the religious / ethnic / geographic groups they belong to, and considering them the abberation, rather than the rule. Like many people posting here.

Go nuts now, call me a spineless, traitorous, godless, nutless homosexual. Because most of you will clearly hate me for stating what should be obvious to anyone of any humanity or intelligence.

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jarek:

Who can give me adrres this internet page where is murder Nick Berg?? please!!!!

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Michael:

Kill them. Kill them all.

Then kill the worthless bastards who excuse this barbarity. This is the future that these sub-human monsters would inflict on my children. We can no longer exist on the same planet together with such manifest evil. Either they go, or we do. And if Mr. Spineless, Gutless, Traitorous, Nutless Homosexual wants to get in the way, I'll gladly dispatch him to Hell as well.

Bite me, you ignorant pussy.

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Al:

Mr. Bungle, the only thing I will call you is a genius. Hearing you, Mohammad Syed and the handful of others here who have managed to keep an open mind throughout these terrible trimes is truly refreshing.

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earl:

guys, iraq, the once flourishing nation, is almost if not, grounded to dust. Up to now, US cant find a single tarnation of bio weapon. how is that? Wouldnt it be sensible that if iraq really had it, they would have used it? Maybe it was a just a ton load of fart.
Now, third world countries such as mine (Philippines) are fckingly suffering from the increasing price of oil. You guys living in US cant feel that because US has gained control of iraq oil.
BUT WE ARE. A lot of us are down to earth suffering from all kinds of poverty. Transportation is very much a necessity in our country as we are an island nation. Prices of food and other materials increase due to this oil increase(almost every two weeks!) but the salary doesn't. A lot are losing their jobs, closing their companies.
Why do americans act as the world police? Preserve the peace. when in fact they themselves are the one initiating and permitting chaos. Werent the americans responsible for the nuclear bombing in japan? Up to now, there are thousands of japanese suffering from post nuclear effects.

Likewise Al. But with peopl... (Below threshold)
Mr. Bungle:

Likewise Al. But with people like our friend Michael and his 'Final Solution', it's hard not to appear open-minded.

What he doesn't understand is that the escalation of fear and hatred is what brings people to this sort of a dangerous brink - that the hate you will find in the Mideast is much like his own - bred by the fear that the 'others' will someday kick down his door, rape his daughters and slit his throat. The way that many poor Joe-Dirtfarmer Iraqis must be feeling right now. The same fear he obviously feels.

Terrorism is a scourge, it is more than true - and the good and brave Muslims you find posting and writing articles are the first to denounce it, and cite passages in the Qu'ran that forbid such practices.

It is always the cowards that seek to destroy what they fear, down to its roots, no matter how depraved the methods. And so our Michael, and the others before him, believe that slaughtering all Muslims / Iraqis / Arabs, down to the last woman and child, will remove from Earth all evil, so that good Christian caucasians can be peaceful and happy.

Those who advocate nuking Iraq, or anywhere in the Mideast? What makes you so sure that the your hate-mongering terrorist counterparts aren't sitting on a suitcase nuke at this very moment, waiting for an excuse to use it? Once you cross that line there is no going back - and the entire world will change.

Manifest Evil! There it is, at its source.

Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc... all will be reconciled, given enough time... and if we can pull the mad, fearful ones back from the brink.

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cris:

where can i find the video?

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Posted by: Ed at May 14, 20... (Below threshold)
Mr. Fik:

Posted by: Ed at May 14, 2004 01:48 AM
You are really a fucked man.

Posted by: David at May 14, 2004 02:42 AM
Posted by: Al at May 14, 2004 03:42 AM
Posted by: Mr. Bungle at May 14, 2004 04:34 AM
David, Al, Mr Bungle you are good persons.

Posted by: Michael at May 14, 2004 05:04 AM
“Kill them. Kill them all.” Who all ? If terrosists OK, If Arabs or Muslims (You are like this Zarkawi terrorist killer)
Yes we (all the world with good Arabs and Muslims) must fight these terrorists (but not Arabs or Muslims) no amalgam no racism

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Mr. Bungle:

Everybody - if you are truly afraid for your children, STEP BACK.

Christians: if you consider your faith true, TURN THE OTHER CHEEK. If that is cowardice, then Jesus is a coward.

Muslims: if you consider your faith peaceful, REFUSE REVENGE. If that is cowardice, then Muhammed is not peaceful.

It is only through the strength of the collective to bear the blows, resist the urge toward hatred and the refusal of fear that the cycle of violence will be broken. When you fear you will hate - when you hate you will revenge - when you revenge, you become the sub-human, and cut the living head of a human being, 'because he deserved it'.

Didn't Yoda say something like this? I think the Dalai Lama goes on the same way. Maybe they're related, or at least attend the same focus groups.

Americans are not in immediate danger - the landmass is too large, the population too scattered, the resources too pletiful. Devastating terror attacks possible? Of course. Should we root out and destroy those whose racist / idealist hatred leads them to destroy innocents? Bloody straight.

It is the Middle East that has a better reason to fear - if the precendent was set (a la suitcase nuke terrorist attack, or something worse), the US has enough nukes, bioweapons and chemical weapons to kill every living thing outside its borders, several times over, in a short period of time, and all the technology it needs to deliver that end.

Americans have no real need for fear - but the current administration will do its level best to sow that fear and encourage justification of foreign wars - as war is the most profitable industry there is, assuming you're winning handily enough. Some of you must have read 1984?

I've talked enough... but everyone needs to slow down, and realise that the escalation of hatreds is the true problem here.

If you believe in a Satan of any kind, or even value the metaphor, surely you realise this is must have him chuckling and drumming his scaly fingers.

Over and out. Take heart, and relax.

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Corey:

After seeing this video, I'm speechless. No words can express how soul wrenching this is. I would wish this on no one, not even those who did this to us. Well maybe now I do. This is a sickening display, and has my nerves all tweeked. Anyone who condones this, or says its Bush's or the military's fault, needs to either leave the US or break all ties with us, cause you and your outlandish comments arent welcomed.

I can honestly say these people did not watch the video if they are condoning this. I never have felt like a vengeful person, but after seeing the Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl video, and the pics of Sept 11 and the kiilings of civilians in Fallajuh, I wouldnt think twice about emptying every bullet on earth into these terrorists. No one forced them to kill. You say Bush is responsible, and that we should leave Iraq? Do you think it will end after that? It would only get worse. I sometimes question where God is on times like this. How could something so hideous happen, time after time? I wish I knew. All I know is I believe in my country, the United States of America, and my lord, Jesus Christ.

All I can say to those terrorists responsible for Nick Berg, Daniel Pearl, and all other acts of obscene terrorism like this, may God have mercy on your souls, because you will burn in the depths of hell for your actions. I love the US, I love the people who support it, and I will defend it against garbage like you.

To all those who share my feelings or close to it, take care, and please watch the video. It will change your whole way of thinking, it has sure changed mine.

God Bless

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jones:

plz where i can download the video(i mean nick berg)

JE HAĎS LES MUSULUMANS... SA... (Below threshold)
Ralph:

JE HAĎS LES MUSULUMANS... SALE RACE !!!!

MUSULMANS... (Below threshold)
Ralph:

MUSULMANS

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Luke:

Anyone who believes that all the religions should unite is obviousley and athiest, as no religion supports another religion, if it did then there would be no credibility in their own belief. There can be only one god, one jesus, one alla, one buddha etc etc. I am a christian so to me if you are not a christian you are wrong and i dont support your views, i do not hate, want to hurt, feel anger for anyone that is not, i just choose to disagree with their beliefs. In reality these muslim fanatics are doing what we should be doing, disregarding everyone else. We are so caught up in not wanting to offend their religion that we are puting obstacles in the way the coalition ect etc. Dont get me wrong, i have some muslim firends, i have one buddhist friend, three catholic and one jewish, i am a christian, i love my friends regardless of religion however i do not respect their religion, respect their customs etc etc, i tell them that they are wrong i tell them not to force their beliefs on me, they can talk to me civily about their views and vise versa, you see jesus did not say to us "ok if you dont have faith in me, everyone that does is going to kill you for not" he was saying "have faith in me, if you dont, this is why you should (turn a few urns of water into wine, heal the sick, feed the poor etc etc) if you dont you may not go to heaven etc etc" and to the people that did believe in him he told them "spread the word, tell people about the gospel etc etc, if they dont believe, dont hate them, love them, help them, feed them ect etc" however all these muslim freaks have a view of that if you do not believe in their beliefs you are infidels etc etc and deserve to die. Any religion that hates those who do not follow is not a peaceful and kind religion, for a long time the christians have had to listen to these threats for doing what we do and all we do is show more and more compassion to them for threatening us, this is god, this is religion, this is the real way. I respect every race so this is not racism, there are many mixed races who follow the same religion, its the ones who hate those that do not follow theres because as a christian you would love those who do not follow. This is just my view for anyone who believes in all this lets all get together and be one happy religion crap, if my bible says dont worshop any other god than him as he is the only one then thats what im going to do and im not going to site by and let someone tell me any different, they can do what they like, difference is that i would let them eat at my table still if they were hungry muslim or christian but they would cut my head off or fly a plane into my building for not being muslim, also anyone who says that its the americans picking on muslims is wrong, they are the ones using there religion as an excuse for what they are doing when terrorising the world, everytime the coalition acts all the muslims cry that we are picking on them, stop comparing bush etc to hitler, hitler said i hate jews, lets kill jews etc etc. No coalition has done that, they have still offered reasonable care, compassion and an open hand to all muslims who dont support terrorism. Also i dont think nick was to smart about being in iraq, not that this means he deserved it but come on youd have to be nuts to go there unless you were a soldier. Lets bring these guys to justice for sure, but lets all focus on making sure that no non muslim is in there as prevention is the best cure for a grieving father.

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Luke:

Does anyone here get the feeling here that we are damned if we do and damned if we dont? If we go to war, people say its not our business, if we dont go to war all these people say "help us you rich nations"

9/11: Bush says there was no direct threat warning but everyone is saying that there was and that USA was to late to react to it so now they are trying to blame the USA. If bush did find out and went and kicked some ass everyone would have got mad at him still because nothing had actually happened as far as the public had seen. As with anything to do with Iraq/Afgany/Vietnam etc etc. The government has to act on there intelligence to prevent things from happening, now i dont know about you but i feel quite safe about knowing that my government is out to prevent these pricks from acting before they fly another plane into another building. Now i dont know who started it but all i know is that we live in the future and if the muslims or americans started off the backstabbing the point is i live for now as we should all do. America doesnt go around starting shit, they react and/or try to prevent, reassuring to me i must say. It is as if my great grand dad ripped yours off and now your trying to get me back for something i didnt start and didnt happen to you, i dont want no trouble but you keep fucking with me so i react and beat your ass, that makes sense to me. I am not saying i know who started off the history between nations as the events of the pass are recorded with opinions and media releases both of which are very dangerous and un reliable. MEDIA should be held responsable for 70% of all wars, do they not think that the Iraq army is watch our News as they guide us through the Battle plan or show our government in turmoil, we could use it so much to our advantage but we dont, however in Iraq the papers and tv continue to write fake stories about USA crimes against them as the media is controlled and look what happens they all take it as gospel and hate the USA.


Mr Bunle, yes the iraqs are afriad to of being killed but they all seem to hide behind the Red Cross or Geneva convention when they get an ass kicking, but these freaks kill randomly and in cold blood and i have yet to see Koffe Annun on TV telling them off yet they are mad at USA still i mean come on, get over yourselves U.N. show equality in all opinions of the worlds current affairs.

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TRC:

ANYONE WHO CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT BASICALLY WE'RE CONFUSING BECAUSE WE'RE DAMNED IF WE DO OR DON'T AND HAS THE NERVE TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE SAME CATEGORY, OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. JUST LIKE IT'S BEEN SAID, VIETNAM WASN'T OUR WAR, BUT WE GOT INVOLVED, IT'S THE SAME THING AND IT'S BEEN SAID "THIS IS ANOTHER VIETNAM" ALL IT COMES DOWN TO IS BUSH IS WAR HAPPY AND ANY ONE WHO SUPPORTS HIM, EVEN A LITTLE, IS JUST AS SICK, EVIL, DEMENTED, AND WAR HAPPY AS HE IS.

ANYONE WHO CAN HONESTLY SAY... (Below threshold)
TRC:

ANYONE WHO CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT BASICALLY WE'RE CONFUSING BECAUSE WE'RE DAMNED IF WE DO OR DON'T AND HAS THE NERVE TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE SAME CATEGORY, OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. JUST LIKE IT'S BEEN SAID, VIETNAM WASN'T OUR WAR, BUT WE GOT INVOLVED, IT'S THE SAME THING AND IT'S BEEN SAID "THIS IS ANOTHER VIETNAM" ALL IT COMES DOWN TO IS BUSH IS WAR HAPPY AND ANY ONE WHO SUPPORTS HIM, EVEN A LITTLE, IS JUST AS SICK, EVIL, DEMENTED, AND WAR HAPPY AS HE IS.

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Angela:

It might as well have been Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld holding the knife. They are the sick idiots who asked for it. I don't blame the people of Iraq, I blame our government! They are slaughtering innocent people for personal gain and using their governmental status for personal reasons. Let's impeach these 3 anti-american traders! I voted for this darn Dictator Bush. What a mistake I made. How many innocent american (and Iragi) lives am I responsible for? After all I punched the chad for Bush. Not anymore! Bush made me a Democrat! Stop the Bush Regime before he kills us all! Before we loose more freedoms! Before we are stopped from typing these very words that made us a free nation, with liberty and justice for all! After all, we can no longer travel outside this country safely. How soon will it be before we are even unsafe here at home?

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The Hoffman:

Vietnam analogies are true... The correlations are there. As far as the Arabs/Islamic groups blaming Americans and you Americans blaming the Arab/Islamic groups, can't you see the tautology in this? Its like both groups want to kill in the name of their God. Haven't we transcended religious boundaries that constrict our perspectives and hinder our lives? Personally all people involved even I for this matter, are too immature to understand the gravity of the situation. If America is looking for a war, look no further than our own streets. Mankind as a whole is to blame for Nick Berg's death. And I commend Mr. Berg for the last minutes of courage he showed. Like a true Human he knew what was to come but nothing could be done. I am not sure if he knew of the execution, but either way he stood death in his eyes like these pussies who post about God and Allah BS. Your Gods will be the best of you religious fanatics. Love=God=Life learn it, live it, breath it, the truth be told

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SMAN:

If the middle east had no oil, we would not have this problem with these idiots...period!!! We need to generate our own energy...problem solved....hello???

The Art Of Peace in which I... (Below threshold)
The Argus:

The Art Of Peace in which I practice has room for each of the world's eight million gods and I cooperate with them all. The God of Peace is very great and enjoins all that is divine and enlightened in every land.

Information is the newest religion.

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The Argus:

When will you all fucking realize this transcends Bi-Partisan politics, Democrats and Republicans, as well as religion, skin color, and blah blah... It has to do with the quintessence of man: His beastly brutality

My condolences to the Berg ... (Below threshold)

My condolences to the Berg Family, and to the Military familys that have lost family members.

First a synopsis, simple, inadequate, and from a
catholic viewpoint:

the el koran states that the angel Gabriel visited
Mary, and after the annunciation, stated
"with me it will be holy" therby rejecting the
virgin birth.

The el koran rejects the trinity, there is no god except allah.

The el koran rejects Jesus Christ as God, and declares him a prophet
who's message is incomplete incorrect,
and the precursor announcing mohammed
and the establishment of the kingdom of god on earth.

The el koran rejects the kingdom of God to come,

ISLAM BEFORE PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS NOT
THE KINGDOM OF GOD UPON EARTH, BUT ONLY
GOD'S TRUE RELIGION
(jews and christians were immature muslims-cept the good ones)
mohammad is the profit who announced and establish-ed the kingdom of god on earth, AND
empowered the faithful to enforce that kingdom
and to expand it to all the earth, then the last judgement may occur.

The el koran declares that those not of their faith are infidel, and you are to offer conversion or death.

It is not a religion, it is a government.

Their faithful will not rest until the kingdom is
established worldwide. There is no tolerance of
a different viewpoint, to tolerate it in their world
would be sinful. Judaism is lost, immature and
rejected by the jews, it's message from god was
only a start of god's complete message. The
repeated falling away outlined in the bible only
reinforces the spiritual immaturity of it's people

according to islam.
QUOTE:
Their very easy and reiterated relapse into idolatry
is a proof that the Israelites had almost the same
notion about their El or Yahwah, as the Assyrians
had of their own Ashur, the Babylonians of
Mardukh, and the Phoenicians of their Ba'al. With
the exception of the Prophets and the Sophis, the
Muslims of Torah, the Israel of the Mosaic Law,
never rose equal to the height of the sanctity of
their religion nor of the true conception of their
Deity. The faith in Allah and a firm conviction and
belief in a future life was not ingrained and
implanted in the spirit and in the heart of that
people.

Jesus, was only a prophet, he got it wrong, there would be no second coming,
QUOTE:
The religion of God, until Jesus Christ, was
consigned chiefly to the people of Israel; it was
more material and of a national character. Its
lawyers, priests, and scribes had dis- figured that
religion with a gross and superstitious literature of
the traditions of their forefathers. Christ
condemned those traditions, denounced the Jews
and their leaders as "hypocrites" and "the children
of the Devil." Although the demon of idolatry had
left Israel, yet later on seven demons had taken
possession of that people (Matt. xii. 43-45; Luke xi. 24-26).


Christ reformed the old religion; gave a new life
and spirit to it; he explained more explicitly the
immortality of the human soul, the resurrection and
the life in the next world; and publicly announced
that the next Messiah whom the Jews were
expecting was not a Jew or a son of David, but a
son of Ishmael whose name was Ahmad, and that
he would establish the Kingdom of God upon earth
with the power of the Word of God and with
sword
. Consequently, the religion of Islam
received a new life, light and spirit, and its
adherents were exhorted to be humble, to show
forbearance and patience. They were beforehand
informed of persecutions, tribulations, martyrdoms,
and prisons. The early "Nassara," as the Qur'an
calls the believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
suffered ten fearful persecutions under the Roman
Emperors. Then comes the Emperor Constantine
and proclaims liberty for the Church; but after the
decisions and the Trinitarian Creed of the Nicene
Council in 325 A.C., the Unitarian Muslims (l) were
submitted to a series of new and even more cruel
persecutions by the Trinitarians, until the advent of
Prophet Muhammad.

Footnote 1. Jesus Christ has never authorized his
followers to call themselves "Christians". There is
no better title for the early Unitarians
than "Muslims." AD. ----------- end of footnote

The expressions in this prophetical passage that
the Kingdom of God shall consist of "the People of
the Saints of the Most High," and that all other
dominions or powers shall serve and obey that
people, clearly indicate that in Islam the Religion
and State are one and the same body, and
consequently inseparable. Islam is not only the
Religion of God, but also His earthly empire or
kingdom.


READ IT YOURSELF:
saved from url=http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/the-Jewish-Bible/kingdom-onearth.htm

copyrighted by the Multi-National Muslim Committee
whoever they are.

So by the el koran and further interpretations by
immams and other supposed scholars, we are all
(jews & christians) islam, perhaps immature,
perhaps heretical, and that islam is the completeion
of the true faith of god that he has been telling us
about throughout the succession of prophets and
concluded with the teachings of mohammed. -
Right...


fundamentalism(s) aside , what other religious text
allows it's followers to meet out death ?

if I am not mistaken Judaism and christianity
leave it to GOD to judge, in the here-after, not
the here and now.

Even when we establish a democratic govenrment
in Iraq or elsewhere for that matter, they will
inevitably elect a islamic government at some
point. it's happening in Egypt and other eastern-
islamic nations, some hope for an islamic europe,
by emigration and birth, the people themselves are
changing the demographics. The call of the faithful
5 times a day has been politically presented in
Michigan.

So when they say that Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria,
etc have not come out and condemned the death of
Mr.Berg, we should not be upset, we should
understand why. maybe Mr.Berg was a
sympathizer from our point of view, maybe he was
just a businessman as he stated, it doesn't matter,
what matters is that he was killed for what he
repsented to THEM. An American, Perhaps a
christian, at the least a token of revenge.

Do they represent all Muslims ?

I think they do, overtly and covertly.
Doing nothing is the same as condoning something
when it counts right ?

They did not even offer him the grace to convert,
he was judged and condemned when they targeted
him for capture. As will we all be.

War in Iraq wrong ? No WMD found? Hey we
moved the front in the WAR OF WARS from NYC to
the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th most holiest sites in Islam.

The "insurgents" are just that, all the foam at the
mouth fundamentalists go THERE to meet us.
Where they will be taught the incorectness of their
misguided beliefs.

if they ever can capture me I will chant the
following so there is NO mistake:

Ash hadu an la ilaha ill Jesus !
(I testify that there is no God except Jesus !)

I will chant it with the hope of a true martyrdom,
with the reward of the Kingdom to COME !

However until that point I will resist, and support
our efforts to meet them where they live.

We are not calling for extermination, we are
saying no more, and you have crossed the line !
We are a wall of resolve, and the harder you throw
yourself at that wall, the more you will hurt.

i watched the video yesterd... (Below threshold)
Chrissy:

i watched the video yesterday just out of curiousity. i've never seen anything more horrifying in my life. i almost threw up, then i sobbed. i had this disgusting feeling in the pit of my stomach that i just couldn't shake. up until i saw the video i had disagreed with how my husband felt about the whole prison abuse scandal. he's in the army and feels that what happened in the prison may be wrong, but the media is so obsessed with this story that they have forgotten about all of our fallen soldiers. what's a little humiliation compared to all the American's lost due to suicide bombings and beheadings? this whole thing just makes me sick, and it's really quite frightening the more you think about it. i lost my faith in religion years ago, and the fact that these people believe in a "god" that would condone the slaughter of a human being as if he were an animal is hilarious. maybe a poor choice in words, but you just have to laugh at anyone who is simple-minded enough to believe that bullshit "god". a previous post said it all when it talked about the fact that these sick bastards covered their faces. chicken shit little bitches!!! the news posted the name of the man....no, he doesn't deserve to be called a man, that sick pig that performed the beheading. apparently the US government is offering a 10 million $ reward for his capture. this pig was actually sentenced to death at one point in jordan! why isn't he six feet under? how does he think that one iraqi with underwear on his head is comparable to an American with no head at all. fuck these ignorant bastards and fuck their sick "god". like i said, i'm not religious and i may not believe in heaven and hell....but i sure hope there's an appropriate place for people like abu musab al-zarqawi. i hope you rot you sick little coward.

REPLY TO LUKE'S POST-"Does ... (Below threshold)
Chrissy:

REPLY TO LUKE'S POST-"Does anyone here get the feeling here that we are damned if we do and damned if we dont? If we go to war, people say its not our business, if we dont go to war all these people say "help us you rich nations"."

I COULDN'T HAVE PUT THIS ANY BETTER

To those who are embattled ... (Below threshold)
LOOKwithin yourself:

To those who are embattled with this situation in Iraq. First of all, to those soldiers who are in Iraq. All are not heroes! Some are there for selfish, sick and wanton reasons, some are there for the liking of being told what to do (the yes people), and others are there for making a change in their lives. Oh ya, some are thinking "what the hell did they get themselves into" and I believe there are "some" soldiers who are true heroes there in Iraq sincerely doing there best for mankind.
Next I'd like to mention our present government-the Bush administration. I am sure many of you Americans like myself have heard that the Bush family are or were once friends to the Bin Laden family. Bush senior and Bin Laden's father are or were boardmembers of a company that create weapons of mass destruction for military war machines all over the world-including the US.
Next Saddam did try to kill/assasinate Bush senior then Bush junior got elected president in an unprecedented controversial manner and the US Supreme court did not want to hear (by vote-remember majority wins)the case and left it up to the states (Florida) to solve the problem. Jeb Bush, then Governor of Florida, said he will do what he can to get his brother elected-end result in a controversial manner. You all can deduce from that.
Now that Bush junior is elected Suadi citizens conspire to crash into the WTC, The Pentagon, White House. Any Iraqi's???
Bush paints a picture with the help of UNCLE TOM COLON POWEL and his sister Condleeza Rice (a match made in hell)that Saddam has weapons that he can deploy and threaten my and your well being. In other words Saddam has, according to Bush, the capbility to murder a lot of us Americans with relative ease. It most certainly scared the bejesus out of me and I am sure that it did you and your families. Republican or Democrats, we were all concerned and woried to say the least.
Now the invasion in Iraq which I thought was justified. Go soldiers and do your job. A job that was to search for weapons that threatened Americans and the rest of the world. Like in the O.J. Simpson case, Where is it Mr. Fung??? In this case where is it Mr. Bush? There were satelite photos of vast weapons of mass destruction depots. We have the best technology in the world that satelites can magnify to read car licence plates and we have the technology to dupe people as well. With media and government propoganda and lip service, we Americans-true Americans- can be led to believe anything they the government want us to believe.
I read a persons posting of his comment which to me waas a bit prejudicial and borderline racist, but it caused one to think. His comments were that 2% of the people in America are Jewish and the vast majority in the news/editorial/entertainment industries who own or control these powerful industries are Jewish. Remember Saddam in Gulf War #1 dessert storm bombed Israel with scuds and Israel did not counter attack or retaliate. The US swept into Iraq with ease and contained Iraq. Now it's a different story. Our present government are great allies with Israel who wantonly kill Palestinians and visa versa.
If there were no connection with the Bush family and the Bin Laden family, Bush and the elder Bin laden family who were boardmembers of the Carlisle group, Jeb Bush's state of Florida being a pivotal state for his election, Saddan trying to assasinate the elder Bush, WTC destruction, the picture painted of weapons of mass destruction by the Bush administration (where are they?), the Saudis who are good friends with not only the Bush family but also COLON Powel, and remember the Saudis were involved in the 9/11 destruction, etc... then I would most certainly be a Bush supporter. Yet, I read I take in information from all sides then deduce. Deduce America and vote accordingly.

TO AMINAH COOPER-SUC... (Below threshold)
Chrissy:

TO AMINAH COOPER-
SUCK A DICK!

all i know is, i can't brin... (Below threshold)
sara:

all i know is, i can't bring myself to watch this video. i don't want to see it.
nick berg had nothing to do with oil, with war, with foreign policy, with bush and his choices, right or wrong. these morons are making an example out of a civilian. a dude. a normal guy, who was just trying to help. not a trained soldier, a fighter, a warrior. they picked an innocent guy with no "in the face of fear stamina" training, nothing. it's disgusting. like, they cackle and praise themselves over murdering a little innocent guy. it's like killing a child. poor nick. i don't care about any of the political debate, ya know? this was a PERSON. and i hope wherever he is, he's okay right now. and i hope his family is ok right now.

this crap has to stop.

King Ali:How much of... (Below threshold)
Dante:

King Ali:
How much of an ass are you? This guy was UNARMED and a non-combatant. He did not institute any policies in Iraq. He was an innocent there to try to do a job. Your people targeted him because of his skin. So, the policies of my country excuse you to do depraved cowardly acts for which any civilized society would lock you up to protect others. OK, following your logic in reverse, because your people MURDERED Berg, we have the right to encircle your cities with tanks keeping everyone in and community by community commit a genocide. No wonder the Mid East is such a lovely place to live. I forget you guys are raised used to seeing public beheadings. Its really no big deal if you live in the Mid East. Its just as per usual. Nothing excuses those men for what they did. And God/Allah/Yahweh will hold them to account for it rest assured. Don't kid yourself. Also, if your radicals keep going with this, we'll eventually NUKE YOUR FUCKING JIHAD WAGING SERIAL KILLING ANIMALISTIC ASSES SAYING ALLAHU AKBAR, MOTHERFUCKER!

To those who feel the need ... (Below threshold)
psw:

To those who feel the need to digress and spout off in half truths ("There was no link to Al Qaeda in Iraq") ought to remember that there is a distinct difference in severity between the mistreating of prisoners at the hands of the military police in Iraq and the sawing off of an innocent civilian's head. The argument is an erosion of logic.

While I pray for WMD to be found in Iraq, I realize that state sponsored terrorism (Abu Nidal was given sanctuary and travel in and out of Iraq by Saddam Hussein for planning other attacks) existed in Iraq. It doesn't have to be from Al Qaeda. Bush clearly said that any regime that sponsors terrorism is our target. Who cares if there is or isn't a link to Al Qaeda. A wide consortium of other terrorist organizations have attacked the US over the course of many years. Al Qaeda is but one. Ansar al Islam will do just fine. Does anyone now doubt that Zarqawi's Ansar al Islam has a connection to Al Qaeda?

Leave the half truths to the politicians, Democrat and Republican alike.

No matter your polical lean... (Below threshold)
Dante:

No matter your polical leanings are, this forum is not about political justifications, leanings, hegemony, soldiers, governments, radicals, or any of these disparate topics. It is a about the murder of one man. It is not a political statement just a venting of pure unadulterated hatred. I don't give it such lofty credit as to say it was done with a purpose or for a cause or for Allah. It was done with blind malice by a bunch of savages.

Mark my words, there will b... (Below threshold)
Dante:

Mark my words, there will be repercussions for it. Zarqawi is not an Iraqi, he's an outsider trying to foment rebellion. He does not care for the innocent Iraqis that will inevitably suffer for this one act.

this is so sad... (Below threshold)

this is so sad

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Chrissy:

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http://www.isratv.com/video/filmpmwadsl.asx

WMD hide-and-seek<a ... (Below threshold)
Chrissy:
having just watched the vid... (Below threshold)
Dave D:

having just watched the video, I am beginning to wonder where all this is leading. Yes, it is an atrocity that nobody should have to endure or witness, but I would be interested to find out just how many people have downloaded the video worldwide now. I'm sorry to say my own reasons were purely for morbid curiosity. This is taking internet abuse to the extreme and it has worked. By making this video available to the masses, this one man's death has illicited more of a response than all the other coalition casualties put together.

I also wonder if it had just been a bullit in the head, would it have got such a huge response? We as a race have become so desensitised to violence that terrorists are having to be more barbaric just to illicit a response. We all watch the news everyday but it's never quite horrific enough to put us off going shopping, to the cinema, eating dinner etc. This video on the other hand is enough to scar some people for life. It may be THE most horrific thing you will ever see. What it is designed to do. If we catch these guys and "make them suffer" as many would like to see. Maybe we should video it and put it on the net. I'm sure it would be a huge hit. Someone could make a lot of money from this and probably will. In time, Nick Bergs death will be an oddity. People will sit and dare each other to watch it. Just another snuff video and I don't think it will be the last.

I fucking hate war. It turns us all into the animals we are. We hate them, they hate us. Let's kill each other and make the video available on the net. The world is fucking mental.

I watched the video and didn't necessarily feel horror at the killing itself. What I found more horrific was what these people deemed neccessary to get our attention. And I'm sure many innocent muslims will now die just as horrific deaths as Mr Berg. Only it won't be presented as a quicktime movie.

I suppose it's in our nature. There will always be an enemy and there will always be a war to fight. We will continue to destroy each other untill we are all obliterated off the face of the earth. then maybe common sense and normality will return.

And to think, this is all being carried out by grown adults. Hmmmm.

To Zarqawi supporters:<br /... (Below threshold)
CBW:

To Zarqawi supporters:
Based on this film, we can see why Arabs are so very proud of their 'culture'. I will grant that we should not be in the Mid East and why anyone would want to is very beyond me. I can now see why it took a leader like Sadaam to pacify Iraq. He is just another one of the boys there. Given as an American, I feel privileged that I don't have to worry about people that strap on bombs or behead each other. We are generally more concerned with my landscaping, cooking or shopping or other things that interest normal civilized human beings. Even with all our booze and pornography, you could not sell that flea/squalor ridden desert existence to me. Your people have just validated that our way of life is in fact vastly superior to yours. If you came here, we'd have laws to protect you and your sons from beheading, but by all means, don't take that as an invitation to emmigrate. Stay there. Fuck you all you fucking desert savages.

To Zarqawi supporters:<br /... (Below threshold)
CBW:

To Zarqawi supporters:
Based on this film, we can see why Arabs are so very proud of their 'culture'. I will grant that we should not be in the Mid East and why anyone would want to is very beyond me. I can now see why it took a leader like Sadaam to pacify Iraq. He is just another one of the boys there. Given as an American, I feel privileged that I don't have to worry about people that strap on bombs or behead each other. We are generally more concerned with my landscaping, cooking or shopping or other things that interest normal civilized human beings. Even with all our booze and pornography, you could not sell that flea/squalor ridden desert existence to me. Your people have just validated that our way of life is in fact vastly superior to yours. If you came here, we'd have laws to protect you and your sons from beheading, but by all means, don't take that as an invitation to emmigrate. Stay there. Fuck you all you fucking desert savages.

I think its disgusting how ... (Below threshold)
Shannon:

I think its disgusting how the American public has embraced this video. This must be the most watched video now. That is pathetic and speaks to the purely sadistic manner in which society operates today. We must all live for the "thrill of the kill" after all...pathetic.

"both sides want to kill in... (Below threshold)
Doyouknow:

"both sides want to kill in the name of their God"

and yet it is the same God you both worship with the same saints and the same biblical characters, the only differance being the prohet Jesus for the Christians (who is also a muslim prophet)and Mohammed for the Muslims...so for allof you who denounce each others faith you are in fact denouncing your own "God fearing God blessing religion"..thats just how stupid you are and how stupid this whole thing is.. BTW how many of you are sickened by the videos of the Apache gunships attacking Iraqi homes or the 750 + women and children shot to peices at checkpoints including one whole family of 15 women who were waived through at the first point and gunned to peices at the second 50 yards away and i bet you all delighted at the pictures of Kabul and Baghdad being flattened...when you treat people like animals they will start acting like animals

"both sides want to kill in... (Below threshold)
Doyouknow:

"both sides want to kill in the name of their God"

and yet it is the same God you both worship with the same saints and the same biblical characters, the only differance being the prophet Jesus for the Christians (who is also a muslim prophet)and Mohammed for the Muslims...so for allof you who denounce each others faith you are in fact denouncing your own "God fearing God blessing religion"..thats just how stupid you are and how stupid this whole thing is.. BTW how many of you are sickened by the videos of the Apache gunships attacking Iraqi homes or the 750 + women and children shot to peices at checkpoints including one whole family of 15 women who were waived through at the first point and gunned to peices at the second 50 yards away and i bet you all delighted at the pictures of Kabul and Baghdad being flattened...when you treat people like animals they will start acting like animals

To aminah cooper, We did no... (Below threshold)
Steve:

To aminah cooper, We did not invade Iraq for oil, we did it to topple a dictator who had and used WMD on his on populace. He murdered the Shiites left and right including Muqtada Al Sadr's father. Saddam was a sponsor of terrorism. We kicked him out. A handful of American MP's humiliated some Iraqi prisoner's, they did not cut off their heads. What was done to Nick Berg was terroristic murder, nothing else. As far as the post accusing people of being big and bad online but having no guts to go over their and talk that shit, you are wrong. I am an American soldier and in less than 18months I will be in Iraq or Afghanistan, and yes I will say my peace, and yes given the opportunity I will send some to meet allah...in HELL where he has been for 1400+years. There is one GOD and his name is not allah, and mohammed was visted by belzebub, not Gabriel Come visit me down here in Alabama and "talk that shit"




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