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John Edwards: if it wasn't for double standards, he'd have no standards at all

Today President Bush denounced all the ads being aired by the "527" groups, including the Swift Veterans For the Truth, which he specified by name. (No, he didn't -- see below.) But apparently that wasn't enough for John Edwards. According to Edwards, "The moment of truth came and went, and the president still couldn't bring himself to do the right thing. Instead of hiding behind a front group, George Bush needs to take responsibility and demand that the ad come off the air."

Actually, Edwards almost had it right. Bush was supposed to condemn the organization that has received a whopping 0.17% of all the money given to the 527 groups so far, and ignore all the rest -- especially the 93.3% dedicated to slamming Bush.

It wasn't a matter of Bush not going far enough for Edwards -- it was that Bush went too far.

J.

(Correction: Bush didn't mention the Swifties "by name." The reported mentioned them, and Bush said "that ad and every other ad." He didn't give the Kerry campaign a sound bite of his denouncing the Swifties by name, just referred to them indirectly. I apologize for my error.)


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Comments (24)

GIVE IT UP JAY!~C</p... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

GIVE IT UP JAY!
~C

Cindy, it appears you are l... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

Cindy, it appears you are laboring under the delusion that I am a Kerry supporter. I believe you drew that conclusion from my apology piece earlier, and my comment afterward. For the record, I remain a staunch Anti-Kerry (and squishy pro-Bush) voter.

First, I was not apologizing for WHAT I said about Kerry, but HOW I said it. I stand behind the posting, but regret degenerating into snide personal attacks on him. I felt it cheapened the whole piece.

Second, my quote in the comment was an example, not intended towards you. I was "previewing" some abstract future argument where I'd use that line of argument, not saying it to you directly.

I hope this clears up any confusion.

J.

I noticed on "Blogs for Bus... (Below threshold)
gardener:

I noticed on "Blogs for Bush '04" WizBang is the first one listed, so I thought I'd check you out. Pretty dull around here, looks like nobody comes to this site (1 comment in over an hour). Guess that's the way Bush/Cheney credential their websites for the RNC..........no readers, no comments.....cool!

Gardener, discounting my ow... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

Gardener, discounting my own comment, I count three in the last hour -- and that's the dinner hour here in the eastern time zone.

I know "driving without a license" is against the law... too bad "posting without a clue" isn't.

J.

Hey Gardener, I've been pos... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

Hey Gardener, I've been posting here and certainly more than 3 times in an hour! Sorry Jay, I could have sworn you said you were a staunch Kerry - but not so much lately, supporter. How could I have gotten that wrong? Nobody's perfect and if I indeed misread it, my apologies. Forgiven?
~Cindy

PS Gardener must not be reading all the comments if he came to that conclusion.

Now this is what makes me c... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

Now this is what makes me crack up:

"I know "driving without a license" is against the law... too bad "posting without a clue" isn't.

J."


How could I not forgive you... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

How could I not forgive you, Cindy, while you still have the negatives to those pictures?

I swear, that sheep said she was over the age of consent...

J.

Knock it off with the silly... (Below threshold)

Knock it off with the silly quasi-rebuttals. You have a job to do here, and so far you are acting just like every other Republican schmuck who has been given a keyboard upon which to unfurl their reactionary hatreds. Time to rachet up. I say this to you to prepare you for the onslaught that WILL come. But not until the convention begins, or the day before. Then it will go away forever.

That is, unless you shine, and I don't mean shoes.
Frankly I'd rather you didn't, but only when I'm thinking with my small head. But seize the moment, and if you see shady things going on...report it. It is encumbent upon you.
If you are just another cheerleader, thinking with someone else's head, you will only gain a readership of nobodaddies, pultroons and geese.

You are better than that. You are God. A fractal hologram of God. Made of his tissues, and spawning her issues. If you'd only freaking listen!
Be brave. Speak only the truth. Speak truth to power. Think with your own head. Don't take any Enron nickles.

How many times have I told you...

Peace, and happy blogging to ya!

These things and more.

-AnonyMoses

If anyone can translate Ano... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

If anyone can translate AnonyMoses' comment into English (presuming it actually means anything), I'd be grateful. I took French and Latin when I was younger, and all I remember about those are a couple dirty Latin jokes and something about yellow pencils. My school didn't offer "gibbering moron" as an elective.

On second thought, don't bother. I deal with enough stupidity as is.

J.


J.

While I know Bush has taken... (Below threshold)

While I know Bush has taken the high ground in condemning the 527's (isn't it so great that campaign finance reform took the money out of politics - thank you John McCain), I would've loved to have seen him say that John Kerry forgot a few 527's when urging condemnation. Of course, we can't get Kerry to stop quoting Farenheit 911 long enough to condemn the moveon.org's, etc.

Guess you can't teach an ol... (Below threshold)

Guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks...

Norman, "high ground" on 52... (Below threshold)
Jude:

Norman, "high ground" on 527s would lean toward freedom.
I uphold the Swift Boat Vets' right and privilege to free speech.
I regret their politically calculated attempts to deliberately revise settled history, but I'd never recommend stifling them.
Appealing to their honor is far different than gagging them altogether.
This 527 issue is about free speech.
It's a bipartisan 1st amendment issue.

Speak truth to power or no one will trust you save the blind.


Jay, I'm with you on AnonyM... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

Jay, I'm with you on AnonyMoses - doesn't anyone speak (and or type) real English anymore? I have no idea what the hell he said either. Hey, A-Moses, donate to www.walkofhonor.com and do the world some good!
~C

Found it - it was a comment... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

Found it - it was a comment by Alex D. Again, Jay, my apologies.
~C

Angel, I can't compl... (Below threshold)

Angel,
I can't complain that you don't speak English. Comprehending English is a different matter, and there, I would suggest reading aloud, paying attention to the punctuation.

You could stand to add a little life into your rather moribund utterances. You may not become great, like me, but you will improve. And as you improve, the quality of your associates will also improve, such that they too will understand not only minds like mine, but also minds like yours could become with but a little effort and the proper incantations.

Angel, I can't compl... (Below threshold)

Angel,
I can't complain that you don't speak English. Comprehending English is a different matter, and there, I would suggest reading aloud, paying attention to the punctuation.

You could stand to add a little life into your rather moribund utterances. You may not become great, like me, but you will improve. And as you improve, the quality of your associates will also improve, such that they too will understand not only minds like mine, but also minds like yours could become with but a little effort and the proper incantations.

Hey, AnonyMoses... go imman... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

Hey, AnonyMoses... go immanentize your eschaton somewhere else. You're starting to annoy the grownups.

J.

Jay, please forgive the lat... (Below threshold)
Jim Price:

Jay, please forgive the latency in translation, but here is AnonyMoses' comment(s), translated into English. Please be aware that with expected fickle foreign language standards, and rules of a cultural/dialectic nature, some things will only "roughly translate":

"Knock it off with the silly quasi-rebuttals..." -Clearly a Dr. Evil protege, here, noting the use of the word quasi, as in "quasi-evil"

"Time to rachet up. I say this to you to prepare you for the onslaught that WILL come. But not until the convention begins, or the day before. Then it will go away forever."- Prepare, oh infidel, for the onslaught of holy war against your precious Republican convention, timed to start the day of, or before, the actual event. We don't believe in wristwatches though, that's why we can only give a rough time estimate.

"That is, unless you shine, and I don't mean shoes..."- Blogmasters are lower than girlie-men who clean sandals-still-on-feet for a living.

"Frankly I'd rather you didn't, but only when I'm thinking with my small head. But seize the moment, and if you see shady things going on...report it. It is encumbent upon you."-I have a small penis, and frankly, I hope you don't notice. If you do, please be aware that if you report this fact, I will summarily deny it.

"If you are just another cheerleader, thinking with someone else's head, you will only gain a readership of nobodaddies, pultroons and geese"- Oogling cheerleaders can increase the size of my aforementioned small appendage. Also, I recieve great pleasure from looking at Geese, and other native animals [names won't translate].

"You are better than that. You are God. A fractal hologram of God. Made of his tissues, and spawning her issues. If you'd only freaking listen"-I saw a hologram of God in a piece of tissue paper after I blew my nose on it. It was so loud I'm sure everyone could hear it.

"How many times have I told you..."-I am in the early stages of degenerative memory disease. Have we met before?

The rest refuses to translate. Sorry. Basically, this guy must go through more weed than a lawnmower. Keep it up, Jay. nice blog. I'll come back.

Anonymoses? That's you in t... (Below threshold)

Anonymoses? That's you in the picture on your blog, right? It's no wonder you talk sputter out dreck like that. I also would mutter incoherently if I was still wearing the glasses my momma bought me in fifth grade.

Dangers of a knee-jerk . . ... (Below threshold)

Dangers of a knee-jerk . . .

I was prepared to express my disappointment at Bush caving to the pressure to speak against the SBVT ad, but that's not exactly what he did. Some creative splicing of his comments with the story text made his remarks sound more pointed at the SBVT ad than they actually were.

The most significant quote in the article, however, was this little tidbit: . . . the commercial . . . that has roiled the race for the White House." The press seems to finally be coming to grips with the impact the story is having on the American public.

As to the McCain comments reported later in the story, just another example of how fascinated the press is with the world's most Democratic Republican. Not to mention that Dole could kick McCain's ass with his good arm tied behind his back.

I can't blame you folks for... (Below threshold)

I can't blame you folks for being upset. After all, you're gonna lose.

For the paranoiac, let me just try to translate my initial post...

I was saying that, even though this site gets very few hits...it will get many more hits during the convention, so you might want to ready for the onslaught of viewers. And I was saying that I hoped you did a good job. (I can be kind even to the mean-spirited.)

After the convention, your hits will drop off again quite rapidly, but not so rapidly if you do a decent job during the convention.

I guess it must be the fear or the koolade, or probably the sense that a big loss is in the offing.

Learn to deal with adversity.

I'm not even going to respo... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

I'm not even going to respond to AnonyMoses!
~C

Yes, I am going to respond.... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

Yes, I am going to respond. AnonyMoses, it's not that I can't speak English, it's just that some people do not make themselves clear and you are one of them,not me. Thank you Jay for sticking up for me.

For you AnonyMoses and others in his swift boat, I have this to say to you:

My late husband was a Captain, US Army, Green Berets, Special Forces, Paratrouper, Ranger and Advisor in Vietnam for 4 years. The years of being an Advisor are not counted, although I do have the paperwork proving he was there. On one occasion he got shot in the knee, recuperated and went back. He ran a camp to train the South Vietnamese to kill. Like in the movie "platoon" his camp was over-run and he got bombed by one of those air bombs. I do not know how he survived it but he did. It was people like John Kerry and what was going on here that made him feel very uncomfortable being back in the civilian atmosphere after that recuperation. I know things went on over there which would happen because when it came down to it, it was either you or them and there was no one to trust. Back then he did not have psychologists or debriefing or repatriation like they do now. They sent him home as he was and as time went on, he got mentally and psychologically nuts. He would not get help because that was "taboo." I was only 20 at the time and scared to death of him. If I knew then the things I learned later, maybe things would have turned out differently for him. With Kerry doing what he's doing, the so-called war hero who can't even compare to my late husband's war hero status and near death injuries, what he said and did when he came back after 4 months of service only made those who did go to Vietnam, died, injured and the walking nut cases only worse. So my late husband had to come back to that kind of environment and what it did to him literally drove him insane. I hate John Kerry and everything he stands for - for good reason. He made the returning soldiers feel like shit and they did not have the support of the people like our troops do now. He hurt all the other soldiers of that day, of that war and the 10 year span of generations lost during that time. It was Kerry and others like him that made "homecoming" extremely hard and very sad. Whether they did anything bad during that time, they did out of fear and adrenaline and like I said, it was either them or yourself and you did what you had to do to stay alive. That war affected hundreds of thousands of men, some who will never be able to live a normal life. His attitude and his bringing it up again only opens already festering sores. These men fought for our country but those who came home, did not get a hero's welcome when they deserved it and needed it and that is not right. Kerry has made a mess of his situation. He hurt a lot of people and he does not deserve our respect or their respect, right or wrong - these men went to war to defend this country as the soldiers of today have gone to Afghanistan and Iraq have gone to defend this country. Kerry's attitude towards all the groups against him, he so rightly deserves because he didn't stop short of telling them they did wrong and that is something you do not tell a soldier. Between the govt and people like Kerry, they made the Vietnam Vets into monsters. That is not always the case; some had it worse than others. Mine had it bad. And after all the time he put in and being near death, the last thing he needed was to listen to people like John Kerry. My husband died as a result of a motorcycle accident in 1978, so you have to understand why I am so much against that man in every way. I don't think he should even be a Senator! When my husband died - he was going on 31 and I was going on 25, and we had a five year old son. I never thought anything else bad could happen to me, but I was wrong but I can attest to the fact that when he died and his soul left his body, touching me and others, it was the first moment of peace he had. Life was so unfair to him at the time and his only escape was dying. So I hate what Kerry has done and said and I'm sure all the groups, including the swiftboatveterans, the vietnamveteransagaintjohnkerry, the Pow-MIA families against John Kerry have a good reason to hate him; he has brought up extremely painful memories and is such a jerk, walks into the DNC, Salutes and says I'm John Kerry and I'm reporting to duty." was a bit over the top. He went too far and he hurt every veteran alive as well as those who never made it home, a grave injustice. They have every right to be angry - he has torn them apart and ripped at the core of their being. Some will never lead a normal life and he has NO right to put these hundreds of thousands of men down just for doing their duty?

I know what my husband went through, I knew how damaged he was and he could not help himself. They trained him to kill but did not debrief him, give him therapy, be repatriated back into society and it was a hell I do not want to ever have in my life again. So I'm a bit testy over the fact he is using the vietnam war as his platform and I cannot blame the swift boat soldier or the pow/mia families or the other vets who did make it home for getting angry. It pisses me off because I've been through it myself.

Whether these veterans feel so strongly against him, they have a right to be. They were there and they probably were there a lot longer than four months. It doesn't matter what happened and it does not matter whether they or he is right or wrong but what is wrong is his saying he was a war hero and using that platform for his campaign. He has hurt all the vietnam vets and he has indeed hurt all veterans then to come out and salute, saying he's reporting for duty and then doing this with the lawsuits and injunction makes one wonder. The whole point is he has hurt all the veterans from that war and taken the names on the WALL and made them insignificant is what is driving them nuts, true or not. We are a country that pulls together during tragedy's and he is causing a huge rift among the people, demeaning the deaths and names on THE WALL plus those who did make it home one way or another to a country that hated them for doing their job as soldiers.

He brought that on himself and if the Swift boats or the other veterans groups who actually were there, making them feel that what they did was wrong in every sense of the word. Right or wrong, they all have a damn good reason to fight him. He did not get blown up, he was not shot at, he never took a bullet, he was rarely in any danger and several scratches gave him medals when others deserved them more. On the whole, I do not think they are lying; there's so many of them but Kerry has dug his own grave and he should stand tall and apologize to the other members that really did sacrifice during that war. And they have more rights than anyone to put Kerry down. He put them down years ago. That is extremly wrong in every way. I experienced a first hand look at the damage done to our troops then, which I hope won't happen to our boys overseas. Kerry is a hypocrite and I hope he does not get elected for if for some strange reason, I will move out of this country.

I have flags all over my property. I also have two large ones I have yet to put up. I also have a beaten up Gulf War flag. I'm extremely patriotic but I also have a lot of common sense. A curse I think sometimes. But he is not a man who should be president never mind even a senator from MA. So I'm going to still say No, I don't think they were lying because only they know what really went down over there and it certainly was no picknick in the park.

I just wanted to explain my views so you'd know where I was coming from - an experience that no one should ever have to bear. And I do this because of my late husband who cannot speak for himself. Some things are just not right and when Kerry brought up his war record, he made the biggest mistake ever by using that as his central message. Now do you understand why all these groups hate him?


I think it's time to drop this discussion line, although it won't be easy.

But war or no war and we are in a war, we really do need to support our troops, in particular our National Guardsmen and reservists who have been plunked out of society, leaving behind families and friends, losing their homes, sometimes their jobs, and if have a small business, they lose and not enough attention is being given them and they need our support, too. Check out www.walkofhonor.com which dedicates a brick to any past or present veteran and our troops over seas. It is a worthy cause. For if it had not been for our veterans of the past and the soldiers of today, we would no enjoy the freedoms we have today - or the rights to blog like this, and as long as Al Qaeda stays out of the United States. Hope this helps understand where I am coming from and why.
~Cindy

Wow, I really ripped him a ... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

Wow, I really ripped him a new one - sorry.
~C




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