The press, which was happy to call Judicial Watch nothing more than a 'watchdog group' when they were going after Dick Cheney will be sure to slap the 'conservative' label in front of them now and remind people that he took his mother to court once.

I've said this before - if they take away his first Purple Heart, does that mean he has to go back to Vietnam for another 8 months?

There is still more to this story that makes no sense. The Swifties brought up the following, but I am not sure where it went, or where it's going.

Kerry enlisted on 2/18/66 for 6 years. He was apparently seperated from active duty on 3/01/70. His DD214 was altered with a DD215, ostensibly to correct the date. But the date is the same on both documents. The only difference is he has more campaign stars listed on the newer document. Stars we now know he wasn't entitled to.

Now it gets real bizarre. His Terminal Date of Reserve Obligation was 17 Feb 72. This would mean that all the while he protested, testified and impugned Nixon, he was a commissioned officer in the reserve. There is nothing to explain why he didn't go to prison for this, as all those activities are prohibited by the Uniform Code. This period might explain some of the more significant charges leveled by the swifties and now being explored by the Naval Department - dereliction of duty, etc.

The last strange twist is that Kerry didn't leave the reserve in Feb. 72. He didn't get discharged until
Feb 18 of 1976 or 78.(the pdf's are blurry but it is definitely one of those two years. There is no documentation to account for several missing years.

ALong with these regularities, isn't it strange that people hound Bush about the Air Guard, being AWOL, etc. and for all intents and purposes according to Kerry's own documents he was AWOL from the Naval Reserve for a period of approximately 6 - 8 years. I have found no document that indicates he fullfilled any of his reserve obligations including monthly meetings and at least a few weeks of active duty each year.

Sorry for the long post, it's Kerry's fault for his convoliuted service record. Wait, check that, I am sure he would tell us it was really his staff's fault! ha ha ha

Not to defend Kerry...but some of that Reserve time may have been spent on *inactive* reserve...in other words all he had to do was keep his uniforms in order and carry tie ID card. As the war had wound down by then they were placing any number of folks in that status. This in no way excueses him from the conduct he displayed upon returning to the states and his trips abroad.....He should be in front of a military courts marshal for what he did. But that is just the old Navy in me....I have a short fuse when it comes to tratiors!

I have no military experience beyond the fact that my father was an Army officer most of his life in various stages of enlisted and service status.

BUT, I do know from my father's example that what Kerry did while still enlisted and how he did what would be so unacceptable as to be worthy of very severe action by the military, to and about Kerry.

So, that has always puzzled me about Kerry's history: his quite noticably national/international protests and the nature of those protests, the extremes of what he said and did to and about the U.S. military while still enlisted. Even for someone no longer enlisted, it's completely dishonorable behavior, went and still does go beyond any acceptable form of "protest" aimed at a "government" (as Kerry continues to say were his efforts, and still are, apparently). So, that he later arrived in the Senate is even more of an insult to almost anyone's understanding of honorable behavior, at least anyone with familiarity with the military and/or law enforcement. Whatever side of a political perspective is taken, his behavior certainly set a very bad example and most people with military and/or law enforcement experience don't abide well with peers or parallels that set bad examples (so Kerry's support base is also suspect under that frame of reference, Senate or no).

Obviously, if nothing else (although there is certainly more there), Kerry's service record bears the similarity to a forged prescription order. People go to jail or at least before a Bench under similar circumstances. At least they don't get to be President of the United States, is how I look at it.

So if he loses one Purple Heart, will that then nullify his discharge from the Navy?

And will he then be required to report for duty? Wouldn't THAT be a kicker?

Paul,

Here's another article to add to the mix. It's from the U.K. Telegraph today with some new information. I saw it posted by someone over on the swiftvets.com forum.

That didn't work...here you go:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wus05.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/09/05/ixworld.html

"Not to defend Kerry...but some of that Reserve time may have been spent on *inactive* reserve...in other words all he had to do was keep his uniforms in order and carry tie ID card" - OK, first of all let me say this, the fact that he served as an officer and was honorably discharged earns my respect for the fact that he did serve, but as a human he gets none. Even on IRR (Inactive Ready Reserve) he would still have been bound by the UCMJ and still just appear from time to time (although more infrequently than the ready reserve) to show he still is w/in weight requirements and other stuff, so he still cannot inpugn the Pres, testify as he did (of his own free will) or protest the way he did. From what I understand a lot of soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines did this, and from this example, those that were discharged dis-honorably due to that should either have that changed because Kerry wasn't, or he should have his changed because they were! I've said it before and I'll say it again, ANY MAN or WOMAN who serves in the U.S. military deserves our respect for that alone, but it is what they do during and after their service period that will earn my respect for them as a person!

ML

kerry my ass...

Gee, if they revoke/rescind his first PH, would he have to go back to 'Nam for 8 months?

There are two terms that I'm waiting to see enter this, and I'm wondering why they haven't been used yet.

Cover-up
Swiftgate

I would have imagined that if this were about Bush it would have taken the old Nixonian alliance about two seconds to bring these words into play, yet they aren't being used in a situation where they seem obvious.

Anyone seen them used?

I believe Kerry was treated well by his fellow Vietnam vets. They're simply trying to set the record straight. Now, if Kerry had served in law enforcement and he pulled the stuff he did in 1971 on fellow cops, I suspect the consequences to him would have been more severe. Cops despise Rats.