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"While not all Muslims are terrorists..."

...all the terrorists are Muslims."

This has been a mantra in the public mind for some time now, and it's always bothered me. I'm a nitpicker by nature; my first reaction to most any broad statement is to immediately find counterpoints to it. With just a little thinking, I managed to come up with four major terrorist actions of the last 20 years that were not Muslim-related.

1) The Unabomber case. While relatively small-scale, it's longevity and seeming randomness kept it far more prominent than many single crimes that caused more deaths and injuries.

2) The Oklahoma City Federal Building. Althouth there are some right-wing whackos out there who claim Timothy McVeigh was tied to Islamic extremist elements (some even saying Saddam Hussein), so far there's been little evidence that this was anything but home-brewed terrorism.

3) The Atlanta Olympics bombing: Eric Rudolph is a right-wing white supremacist religious whacko. In a nutshell, take whatever the Islamists are calling our forces in Iraq and apply it to him -- it fits like a glove. And it speaks volumes about us that he's currently in jail.

4) The Tokyo Subway Sarin Gas Attack: Aum Shinrikyo was a religious cult, but not Islamic.

So there are four examples of non-Muslim terrorists. Can anyone else think of more? And if you stacked all of them, one on top of another, I don't think you'd equal the sheer horror that was the attack on the school in Beslan.

No, it's not true that "while not all Muslims are terrorists, all of the terrorists are Muslims." But if you hear about a terrorist incident and put money that it was committee by Muslims, you'll be playing with hugely better odds than you'll get at any Vegas casino. "The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong," but that's the way to bet.

J.


Comments (34)

thank you for this post. p... (Below threshold)

thank you for this post. people really need to hear this message. until the people of the world understand and respect each other and ignorance is obsolete, there will never be any true peace in the world.

dd
http://www.jadbury.com/

The guy who blew up those m... (Below threshold)

The guy who blew up those mailboxes in a happy-face pattern wasn't a Muslim.

The Air India bombing by Si... (Below threshold)
Garth Wood:

The Air India bombing by Sikh extremists in Canada.  I believe 219 people lost their lives over that one.

Yes, but ...right no... (Below threshold)
jack mack:

Yes, but ...
right now, the muslim terrorists are the ones to watch.

Whoops.  Just fact-ch... (Below threshold)
Garth Wood:

Whoops.  Just fact-checked (shoulda done that before my previous post -- my apologies).  Was off by 110 people; 329 people died as a direct result of the in-air explosion and subsequent crash, and two baggage handlers died when one of the other pieces of luggage destined for the Air India flight exploded a few hours earlier at Tokyo's Narita airport.

Yes, but ...right no... (Below threshold)
jack mack:

Yes, but ...
right now, the muslim terrorists are the ones to watch.

I can;t name them all but t... (Below threshold)
Paul:

I can;t name them all but the envirowhackjobs have killed all sorts of people they even have their own terrorist organization Earth Liberation Front (or some such nonsense)

Any of the events in Northe... (Below threshold)
Dean Satterlee:

Any of the events in Northern Ireland and also the Basques in Spain.

When did CIA Director James... (Below threshold)
stan:

When did CIA Director James Woolsey and House Impeachment Counsel David Schippers become right-wing wackos?

Oh...and I forgot Janet Ren... (Below threshold)
Dean Satterlee:

Oh...and I forgot Janet Reno at Waco

It's rather self-evident th... (Below threshold)

It's rather self-evident that there are non-Muslim terrorists. But we're fighting against "terrorists with global reach." I can't think of a non-Muslim terrorist organization that falls into that category. The IRA and Aum Shinrikyo aren't threats to the United States. Muslim jihadists are.

From the IRA to ELF to ETA ... (Below threshold)
Ohms:

From the IRA to ELF to ETA to... well, there are plenty of terrorists out there. They do, however, seem to be far more... restrained(?) than the Islamofascist terrorists.

The IRA classically targetted British troops. ELF tends to stick with attacks on property, not on people. ETA tends to target Spanish officals. The list goes on, but no group can hold a candle to the sheer unrestrained violence the Islamofascists have proven themselves capable of visiting upon men, women and children.

Perhaps a better mantra would be, "Not all Muslims are Islamofascists, but all Islamofascists are terrorists." Just a thought.

A very good point, and ther... (Below threshold)

A very good point, and there is still often backlash (and unfounded suspicion) against Muslims in this country.

My question is how do you define a terrorist? Is a serial bank robber a terrorist? A violent street gang? If a corrupt government uses its military to kill people, and the people try to fight back - which ones are the terrorist?

interesting to note that al... (Below threshold)
Tango Mike:

interesting to note that all of these examples are domestic terrorism, as opposed to terrorist acts perpetrated by foreigners. McVeigh and Rudolph stayed at home, as did the Shinrikyo cult.

Didn't Terry Nichols meet w... (Below threshold)

Didn't Terry Nichols meet with Abu Sayyef in the Philippines?

on your Point #2, ) The Okl... (Below threshold)

on your Point #2, ) The Oklahoma City Federal Building...

There is very compelling information available to those who want to know it.

A book entitled, "The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing," by Jayna Davis.

The book claims at least one absolutely verifiable link to back to Iraq. It's been pretty well received at 4 out of 5 stars over 44 reviews on Amazon and is currently ranked no. 855 on Amazon.

Yes, you are right. And not... (Below threshold)
Tom Vaughan:

Yes, you are right. And not EVERY NBA player is black...

But...

Muslim terrorists are the only ones I know who are organized around the world, who have the backing of a widely followed religion, who actually have training camps, post their murders on the internet, seemingly have 24 hour access to use a cable news channel to get their message out, have their terrorist attacks celebrated in the streets by other muslims. have publicly announced heir intention to destroy the United States, destroy Isreal, take over Spain as rightfully theirs, strip women of their right to education and self-detrmination... you get the idea.

Of course not every terrorists is a Muslim. I guess I just don't get your point.

Do you really think Eric Rudolph posed the same threat as Islamic terrorism? That can't be your point, can it?

Do you think Islamic terrorism is not as dangerous as some make it out to be? That can't be your point, can it?

All terrorists are not Muslims. That's what you say is your point but is that really in the "public mind"? Perhaps the public high school mind, before someone actually takes the 10 seconds to correct them. But...

We couldn't have spent all this time on that silly point could we? Could we?

And not every NHL player is white. Wow! Man, I'm glad we cleared that up. Someone might have gotten the wrong idea!

So here's my point:

Islam is currently diseased. It is up to Muslims and non-Muslims alike to rid us of the disease before the disease kills off the planet.

Pretending to be "open minded" about such things does not help.

You came up with four examp... (Below threshold)

You came up with four examples of non-Muslim related terror. The fact is, there have been over 20 attacks on our country and our allies and assetts by Muslim terrorists. I'm not particularly worried about the lone anti-abortion crazy, partly because you'll never find me at an abortion clinic and partly because the deaths caused by these "little terrorists" are miniscule compared to Muslim extremists.

I don't want to hate Muslims or Islam. But there is something seriously wrong with the way it's being taught and practiced. I am more than willing to agree that the statement "While not all Muslims are terrorists all the terrorists are Muslims," is false... it's false by a margin so slim that it's almost irrelevant. I'm really trying hard to keep an open mind, to believe with all my heart that terrorist Muslims are anomolies, but it's getting more and more difficult. As long as they keep killing people, I don't think its unfair at all to be a little wary of Islam in general. It's not a politically correct point of view, but I am in mortal fear. I live in a place where 200 people died not five miles from house because of Islamic terrorists. It would be stupid to discount the fact that there is a serious problem in modern Islam today. But one thing that would alliviate some of my fears is for moderate Muslims to come out and condemn these attacks. Three years later, I'm still waiting.

I'm surprised that no one h... (Below threshold)

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned perhaps the most successful non-Muslim and apparently non-al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group: the Tamil Tigers. While not having "global reach" their ambitions are certainly regional since their ambitions expand beyond Sri Lanka to the mainland of the subcontinent. This makes them at least as much of a threat as ETA and probably more than the IRA.

12/31/1983Puerto Ric... (Below threshold)

12/31/1983
Puerto Rican terrorists carry out four simultaneous bombings of government targets in New York City, including city police headquarters, FBI offices, and a federal courthouse. One city detective loses a leg, one loses the fingers on his right hand, and another loses an eye. Some of the wounded later protest when President Clinton pardons FALN activists in 1999, claiming the pardons are intended to curry favor with Puerto Ricans to help Hillary Clinton's Senate race in New York.

8/8/1985
The Red Army Faction detonates a car bomb at the U.S. Air Force base at Rhein-Main, West Germany, killing two and injuring 17. The night before, the assailants killed an off-duty U.S. serviceman, and they use his military identification to enter the base.

11/25/1985
As customers shop at a U.S. military post exchange in Frankfurt, Germany, a bomb hidden in a silver BMW parked about 250 yards away from the PX explodes, injuring 35 people, most of them Americans.

4/2/1986
A bomb explodes aboard a TWA jet in Greece, killing four people, but the plane lands safely. The timing device in the bomb was activated when a passenger sat on the seat it was placed under.

4/24/1987
A remote-control bomb injures 16 U.S. servicemen in Greece in an attack by the group Revolutionary Organization 17 November, a Marxist-Leninist group known for lengthy ideological statements. The same group injures another 10 servicemen in Greece in another bus attack on Aug. 10.

10/26/1987
The communist New People's Army kills four Americans within 15 minutes near Clark Air Base.

12/26/1987
One U.S. serviceman is killed and nine others are injured when Catalan separatist groups in Spain launch hand grenades into a USO bar in Barcelona.

4/14/1988
Japanese suicide bomber Junzo Okudaira drives a car bomb into a USO club in Naples, Italy, killing a U.S. Navy enlisted woman and four others. A Japanese Red Army front group claims responsibility. Two days earlier, JRA member Yu Kikumura was arrested at a New Jersey Turnpike rest area with three powerful bombs and other explosives. Both attacks were planned in retaliation on the second anniversary of the U.S. bombing of Libya.

6/28/1988
A car bomb detonated by Revolutionary Organization 17 November kills Captain William Nordeen, a defense attachť at the U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece.

8/8/1988
A group calling itself the "Simon Bolivar Commandos" explodes a bomb as a motorcade carrying Secretary of State George Shultz passes on a highway outside the Bolivian capital city of La Paz. There are no injuries.

3/17/1990
Narco-terrorists firebomb Drug Enforcement Agency offices in Fort Myers, Fla. Two months later the FBI rounds up Colombians employed by drug kingpin Pablo Escobar in Florida as they attempt to buy 24 stolen Stinger anti-aircraft missiles for an estimated $6 million dollars. Stinger missiles are capable of destroying the largest airliners.

9/26/1990
Gunmen kill the captain of President Corazon Aquino's guard, as well as two American employees of Ford Aerospace, in attacks that coincide with Vice President Dan Quayle's visit to the Philippines.

Rob: ? You point out 12 inc... (Below threshold)
Jumbo:

Rob: ? You point out 12 incidents from 21 to 14 years ago: this means something? You pick 12 incidents over 20 years and put them up against, what, 1200 Muslim terrorist incidents in the past 4 years? Looks like someone is trying to stretch way too hard to make a point that can't be made.

Like it or not, the vast majority of terrorists today are Muslim. It has been so for more than 20 years, and it will be so until the day that the people who can't even bring themselves to condemn the horror in Beslan are themselves dead or incapacitated. Islam is at pains to say it is "a religion of peace": time to start showing it

Why is the Tokyo Subway Sar... (Below threshold)

Why is the Tokyo Subway Sarin Gas Attack a terrorist act?

From what I understand, the Aum Shinrikyo didn't have any explicit goals other than just killing lots of innocent people to hasten the apocalypse. Whether or not said attacks had additional consequences wasn't terribly relevant.

If that's your criteria, wouldn't the Columbine HS Shootings be terrorism?

Yes, Arabs/Muslims are not ... (Below threshold)
Dale:

Yes, Arabs/Muslims are not the only terrorists, but they have definitely perfected terror.

Bush was correct when he said he "didn't think the war on terror could be won..." This war is a religious/spiritual war that cannot be won with guns and bullets, but it certainly will deter a great many would-be terrorists.

Imposing a 'final solution' on the Muslims/Arabs is not the way to handle the terror issue either. Ask yourself, 'once they are gone what group would be next?', there is an answer to our troubles but who is wise enough to find it?

I apologize for not being more optimistic, but Islam has a fertile breeding ground for more terrorists the whole world 'round.

We should ask why are so many in the Third World drawn to Islam? When we answer that question then maybe we can answer the terror question.

This post is just a way for me to remain calm and collected after seeing the children of Beslan suffer such at cruel fate at the hands of merciless killers.

What are your thoughts?

Ask yourselves this: When A... (Below threshold)
DaveP.:

Ask yourselves this: When AUM gassed the subway, did the Japanese people dance in the streets and congratulate them? Was anyone in America celebrating the Oklahoma City bombings, or announcing that McVeigh shouldn't be sent to jail because he was acting on a religous imperative?
No, Muslim jihadists are not alone in the terror world. They do, however, claim far more respect and support from their community (and remember, their "community" counts very large numbers of members in both the United States and in Britan; evidently coming to another nation as a refugee and being taken in and protected is not enough to make your new nation immune from your hatred) than any other terrorists today. Are ALL Muslims guilty of terrorism? No... but as long as their spiritual leaders continue to cheer terrorism on and incite hatred among their faithful, there is no ethical way to excuse them from the actions of their flock.
It may come to a cleansing of Mecca and Medina. If so, than so. Let the Islamic world be put on notice NOW, let them clean up their own act NOW, and the civilized world won't have to.

Touchť my friend...... (Below threshold)
Dale:

Touchť my friend...

there's also peta.... (Below threshold)
danny:

there's also peta.

all terrorists are elitists who want to impose their narrow utopianism on everyone else.

most are statists.
most are leftists - which is another way of saying statists.

There have been a number of... (Below threshold)

There have been a number of murders or attempted murders in the last decade of doctors who work at abortion clinics, done by CHRISTIAN fundamentalists or Christian Fanatics. On the other hand, their argument is that each abortion represents a murder of a defenseless human being.

I lost a friend, U.S. Navy Captain George Tsantes, military attachť to the American Embassy in Athens about 1981 when he was murdered by Greek terrorists. It believe they were the same ones captured in the last few years and it turned out they had no particularly coherent political agenda after all, just insane and stupid criminals.There were quite a few Anti-American terrorist acts by Greeks in the last few decades, following from the Greek anger at American coziness with Turkey, which invaded the Island of Cyprus in 1974. The Turks have never compensated the Greek Cypriots for lands and property confiscated, nor for the deaths and injuries, so there's a fair amount of residual anger.

"So there are four examp... (Below threshold)

"So there are four examples of non-Muslim terrorists. Can anyone else think of more?" - Jay Tea

That one's pretty easy Jay: Sendero Luminoso - Maoist; FARC - Marxist, Irish Republican Army - nominally Christian, definately Irish [which is a religion all it's own ;)]; ETA - Basque Seperatist; African National Congress - Marxist/Muslim hybrid; various Amerind Warrior Path Societies [now mostly quiescent] - non-muslim; US eco-terrorist groups - their religion is "Ecology". That'll do for a starter list. There's more...

Not all terrorists are Muslim. That they are is a convenient fallacy that's no doubt reassuring to some people, but it's still a fallacy.

Terrorism is a tactic of political blackmail by hostage taking: demonstration of capability, followed by demand, followed by atrocity, followed by further demands. It's goal is to achieve political concessions via the threat of appalling attacks upon uninvolved targets, playing upon the [percieved] squeamishness of it's political targets. One doesn't have to be muslim to play that game... one merely has to be ruthless, fanatical, and devoid of humanity.

Sorry, Jumbo... Jay asked f... (Below threshold)

Sorry, Jumbo... Jay asked for examples of non-Muslim terrorism in the last 20 years and I provided 12 from a list I found in October '01.

This list goes back almost 40 years and lists both Muslim and non-Muslim terrorist acts:
http://www.worldmag.com/newsite/content/displayarticle.cfm?id=5483

Over the last 20 years, the ratio of Muslim to non-Muslim terrorism is almost the same, but this list does not include scores of suicide bombings in Israel.

Going back the full 40 years, you can see that the majority of terrorist attacks have been made by Muslims and I happen to agree with Jay.

As do the facts.

I made that statement.Even ... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

I made that statement.Even as i wrote it, I knew it wasn't 100% correct. Mostly I was referring to the siege at the Russian school - they were all muslims. Those at war in Afghanistan and Iraq are also muslims. I know full well that not all the terrorists in the world are muslim but I still say 90% of them are defintely muslims. I wonder what would happen if the religion of Islam was wiped out - who would be the terrorists then?
~C

Think about all the school ... (Below threshold)
me:

Think about all the school shootings, they are like terrorist attacks, and none that i know of have been by muslims. Columbine was the worst, and it was done by two hate filled white boys. They weren't crazy either, they knew what they were doing.

Symphony for the Guardian o... (Below threshold)
big nick:

Symphony for the Guardian of Peace
By Adam Bom

Please allow me to introduce myself
Iím a thermo-nuclear device
Iíve been around since World War II
Designed to lay waste to enemy life

The Islamic world will vaporize
In my almighty burning flames
Extremist and Moslem innocents
Transformed into charred remains

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But whatís puzzling you
Is how I got into the game

You invited me on from the Tyranny
Of your psycho Mullahs Vice
Who taught you that Jihad
Is every Moslems duty and right

What you should of known
You were brainwashed for their gain
They raped your daughters, right?
And your sons were offered fame

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But whatís puzzling you
Is how I got into the game

I will ignite with a sunlike light
In Mecca during Ramadan
The Black Stone and a billion Moslemís
Will burn in a pillar of shame

Your religion is a foolís parade
Led by men whoís power grows
You live in misery and poverty
While they thrive upon your woes


Let me introduce myself
Iím a thermo-nuclear device
The message that Iím sending out
Is that you all will pay the price

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But whatís confusing you
Is how I got into the game

Just like Islam is a religion of peace
And all the murdering martyrs saints
As black is white
Just call me Atom Bomb
Cause Iím in need of some restraint

If youíre in my vicinity
When my powers are unleashed
You have only a moment in time
To Plea for a place in eternity
Or change now and live in peace

Tell me terrorists, what are your names
Tell me Moslem innocents, what is their names
You have the chance to stop your apocalypse
I tell you one time, or you too are to blame.



Symphony for the Guardian o... (Below threshold)
big nick:

Symphony for the Guardian of Peace
By Adam Bom

Please allow me to introduce myself
Iím a thermo-nuclear device
Iíve been around since World War II
Designed to lay waste to enemy life

The Islamic world will vaporize
In my almighty burning flames
Extremist and Moslem innocents
Transformed into charred remains

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But whatís puzzling you
Is how I got into the game

You invited me on from the Tyranny
Of your psycho Mullahs Vice
Who taught you that Jihad
Is every Moslems duty and right

What you should of known
You were brainwashed for their gain
They raped your daughters, right?
And your sons were offered fame

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But whatís puzzling you
Is how I got into the game

I will ignite with a sunlike light
In Mecca during Ramadan
The Black Stone and a billion Moslemís
Will burn in a pillar of shame

Your religion is a foolís parade
Led by men whoís power grows
You live in misery and poverty
While they thrive upon your woes


Let me introduce myself
Iím a thermo-nuclear device
The message that Iím sending out
Is that you all will pay the price

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But whatís confusing you
Is how I got into the game

Just like Islam is a religion of peace
And all the murdering martyrs saints
As black is white
Just call me Atom Bomb
Cause Iím in need of some restraint

If youíre in my vicinity
When my powers are unleashed
You have only a moment in time
To Plea for a place in eternity
Or change now and live in peace

Tell me terrorists, what are your names
Tell me Moslem innocents, what is their names
You have the chance to stop your apocalypse
I tell you one time, or you too are to blame.



Symphony for the Guardian o... (Below threshold)
big nick:

Symphony for the Guardian of Peace
By Adam Bom

Please allow me to introduce myself
Iím a thermo-nuclear device
Iíve been around since World War II
Designed to lay waste to enemy life

The Islamic world will vaporize
In my almighty burning flames
Extremist and Moslem innocents
Transformed into charred remains

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But whatís puzzling you
Is how I got into the game

You invited me on from the Tyranny
Of your psycho Mullahs Vice
Who taught you that Jihad
Is every Moslems duty and right

What you should of known
You were brainwashed for their gain
They raped your daughters, right?
And your sons were offered fame

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But whatís puzzling you
Is how I got into the game

I will ignite with a sunlike light
In Mecca during Ramadan
The Black Stone and a billion Moslemís
Will burn in a pillar of shame

Your religion is a foolís parade
Led by men whoís power grows
You live in misery and poverty
While they thrive upon your woes


Let me introduce myself
Iím a thermo-nuclear device
The message that Iím sending out
Is that you all will pay the price

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But whatís confusing you
Is how I got into the game

Just like Islam is a religion of peace
And all the murdering martyrs saints
As black is white
Just call me Atom Bomb
Cause Iím in need of some restraint

If youíre in my vicinity
When my powers are unleashed
You have only a moment in time
To Plea for a place in eternity
Or change now and live in peace

Tell me terrorists, what are your names
Tell me Moslem innocents, what is their names
You have the chance to stop your apocalypse
I tell you one time, or you too are to blame.






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