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2nd American Hostage Murdered

Rusty Shakelford has been providing real-time updates on news of American hostage Jack Hensley's murder. Hensley was beheaded today by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al Queda linked terrorist organization.

[Note: The Reuters version of the story was linked on purpose - read this story about the controversy over the terms Reuters uses to describe terrorists.]

Luke Harding in the Guardian Unlimited says that the brutal kidnappers are gaining in popularity.

Update: Rusty Shackelford has links to the video.


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Comments (44)

This angers me beyond belie... (Below threshold)
Mr. X:

This angers me beyond belief...how dare these wackos take a person's life in this manner and say it is for God. My God would never allow such brutal slaughters take place. I hope the US Marines find these wackos and put them 6 feet under.

Mr. X

Dude, could you remove the ... (Below threshold)
Mark:

Dude, could you remove the "Blogger Trophy Wall" from the page? I don't like Rather either, but given that some people are really getting their heads hacked off....

This shows -- once again --... (Below threshold)

This shows -- once again -- the exact nature of the enemy we face. Of course, this will have no affect on the Liberals. In their sick minds, Bush is worse than the terrorists. And how ironic that John Kerry today announced his final position on Iraq -- He's against the war -- he's always been against the war (forget what he's said in the past) -- and he will always be against the war. Folks, either we fight them in the Middle East of we fight them in the USA.

This shows -- once again --... (Below threshold)

This shows -- once again -- the exact nature of the enemy we face. Of course, this will have no affect on the Liberals. In their sick minds, Bush is worse than the terrorists. And how ironic that John Kerry today announced his final position on Iraq -- He's against the war -- he's always been against the war (forget what he's said in the past) -- and he will always be against the war. Folks, either we fight them in the Middle East or we fight them in the USA.

I would rather we fight the... (Below threshold)
Mr. X:

I would rather we fight them over there than have them come here....could you imagine what would happen if we had an attack similar to what happened in Chechnya?

I just hope someone tracks these fools and puts them in their place. I mean for goodness sake they slaughtering truck drivers and aid workers...How ignorant can you be?

I also agree that you need to remove the Dan Rather head pic on the left. Not too cool considering what is happening in Iraq.

Mr.X

One thing that really bothe... (Below threshold)
Richard:

One thing that really bothers me is that the Iraqi people themselves don’t stand up against the terrorist being the terrorist are mostly foreigners and are killing Iraqis by the dozens. Why don’t they finger them for the US troops? If they want their country in some form of stability, this would be the quickest way. And the people being beheaded as pointed out above are those wishing to help the Iraqi people!!

I watched the videos of the beheadings and i have to come to the conclusion these people just like to kill with their hands and this is only an excuse to do so. They have no desire for peace and by giving the Iraqi people something else to live for, perhaps the number of volunteers will diminish over time.

I also agree the Rather head must come down.

Rich

Yes John you are correct, t... (Below threshold)
Richard:

Yes John you are correct, the Liberals won't see this as fuel as they are blinded by the stupid notion that the world could be at peace only if the US stops interfering.

this 'can't we all just get along' notion has never worked in the history of man. They wish to hide and allow the world to live and let live, but that philosophy is flawed in the facts seen on 9/11 that there has always been those not wishing to let live.

Rich

Suspected Maoist rebels hav... (Below threshold)
Edwiges:

Suspected Maoist rebels have abducted more than 100 students and teachers from three schools in western and eastern districts of Nepal over the weekend, media reports said on Sunday.

The rebels kidnapped 49 students from Panchakanya Secondary School and Navadurga Secondary school in Bhojpur district of eastern Nepal on Sunday, state-run Radio Nepal reported.

Three local people have also been abducted in the district.
Dudes -- it is not just happening in Iraq -- it is happening everywhere -- Did you even know that this last weekend in there was another incident, 45 students and 7 teachers have been abducted from a secondary school in the far-western district of Baitadi. Following the incident, security forces have launched a massive operation to rescue the hostages, it said. Russia, Iraq, Nepal.....

man this people are crazy f... (Below threshold)
unknown:

man this people are crazy for killing this guy what are they thinking thats not right takeing another humen life

@unknown. You assume that... (Below threshold)
Edwiges:

@unknown. You assume that those people committing these atrocities value human life - they don't. Life, including their own, is nothing to them. Do you remember in Afghanistan rebels skinned alive a peace worker in front of another that they raped and tortured? Beheading is nothing to any of these people.

Since the release of the Ni... (Below threshold)
Edwiges:

Since the release of the Nick Berg beheading video there have been several more kidnappings and executions in Iraq, and one in Saudi Arabia. Some of these are clearly the work of Islamist terrorists or Iraqi resistance groups. Others are more problematic and their timing and style suggest they, like the Berg case, are black operations. Some of the killings by what are probably genuine resistance groups look like the perpetrators are copycatting aspects of the Berg killing.

I also for one, wouldn’t mi... (Below threshold)
Havoc:

I also for one, wouldn’t mind sicking Jordan’s Security Service on Zaraquawi and his family, and hunting ‘em down.

They were totally effective (historically) at shutting down Abu Nidal’s network and PLO terror infrastructure in Amman.

They do however, tend to first use tactics we would never even use last. And a lot less civilians get killed and tortured, but that doesn’t exempt Zaraquawi family members.

@Havoc -- "And a lot less ... (Below threshold)
Edwiges:

@Havoc -- "And a lot less civilians get killed and tortured . . . ." Maybe you don't know your history but Jordan killed more Palestinians in one month September 1970, known as Black September than Israel has killed during the three years of suicide bombings that began in the fall of 2000. The brutality of the Jordanian Army toward Palestinian dissidents and terrorists was far more egregious than anything Israel has ever done.

You know, I don't know abou... (Below threshold)
Rob:

You know, I don't know about you, but the evil that I have seen in the beheadings simply turns me off to ALL religions. Ever notice, that it is RELIGION that is at the root of the most hideous acts humans are capable of? Lets see, there's Jonestown, Waco, Heavens Gate, September 11, the recent spate of these horrific beheadings... all because of minds poisoned by some twisted religious notion or another. I consider myself a Christian in the sense that I occasionally go to church, and sometimes pray, but that's about it, never took it too seriously. What I do take seriously, however, is what the images on the internet tell me about what religious belief systems are capable of. And just what, pray tell, have these belief systems actually given back? What great examples of kindness or of goodness or of "godliness" exist to counter the forces of the unspeakable evil that Islam and other so-called "faiths" have proven very capable of instilling into it's followers?

My idea of religion? Simple. Live each day as if it were to be your last, treat your fellow human and non-humans with kindness, decency and respect, and if there is a heaven, you'll be richly rewarded. Even if there isn't a heaven, you'll still be richly rewarded, only it will be over the course of your life and not after your death. No more infidels. No more born agains. No more "unenlightened," no more any of it. It's all about doing the right thing, right now, being the best person you can be for today, and tomorrow will take care if itself!

Rob, Rob, ROB: it isn't "a... (Below threshold)
-S-:

Rob, Rob, ROB: it isn't "all religions" behaving so, taking heads, committing such atrocities.

It isn't "religion" AT ALL that is committing such acts of brutality, brutalities themselves.

These brutalities are committed by persons who HAVE NO RELIGION, who lack sincerity, real connection with, are otherwise DEVOID OF CONSCIENCE...otherwise, they'd behave otherwise.

It's a mistake to attempt to lob the hideous acts committed by some human beings, under the semblance of humanity while actually being quite inhumane, as evidence of "religion" because it is not. It is brutality...

Don't make the illogic leap that brutality and inhumanity by some persons walking upright on two legs represents a religious experience or a religious statement. Bush is right about this thing: that it IS "evil" and it does -- nearly to a 100 percentile -- tend to try to masquerede as "religious" evidence, but it is not. It's just a lie. Brutality tends to do that well and that alone: lie. They hide, they work covertly, they masquerede, they say one thing and do another...it's just the unmystifying brutality of evil.

Never attempt to make that the character of the religious, because it is not. "It's evil. Don't touch it."

USA shouldn't have gone to ... (Below threshold)
Ville:

USA shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place... Securing the oil deliveries was the major reason why Bush send his troops there. Of course he also wanted to finish his father's project by capturing Saddam. Well done George W! Now the whole country is in big chaos and surprise, surprise there will be more and more people willing the attack against USA all around the world. USA is getting what they deserve and that's the common opinion all around Europe.

And you're wondering why Iraq people are so violent and cruel. You just have to take a look at the history for thousands years in that region. They have had wars all the time and now USA is getting its troops killed in there. People in Iraq do not stop fighting untill they find a leader that is supported by the vast majority. That's no way an easy task...

It should be notified that lots of people in Europe are afraid that Bush will be selected for another term. I really hope that it's not going to happen...

USA shouldn't have gone to ... (Below threshold)
Ville:

USA shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place... Securing the oil deliveries was the major reason why Bush send his troops there. Of course he also wanted to finish his father's project by capturing Saddam. Well done George W! Now the whole country is in big chaos and surprise, surprise there will be more and more people willing the attack against USA all around the world. USA is getting what they deserve and that's the common opinion all around Europe.

And you're wondering why Iraq people are so violent and cruel. You just have to take a look at the history for thousands years in that region. They have had wars all the time and now USA is getting its troops killed in there. People in Iraq do not stop fighting untill they find a leader that is supported by the vast majority. That's no way an easy task...

It should be notified that lots of people in Europe are afraid that Bush will be selected for another term. I really hope that it's not going to happen...

USA shouldn't have gone to ... (Below threshold)
Ville:

USA shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place... Securing the oil deliveries was the major reason why Bush send his troops there. Of course he also wanted to finish his father's project by capturing Saddam. Well done George W! Now the whole country is in big chaos and surprise, surprise there will be more and more people willing the attack against USA all around the world. USA is getting what they deserve and that's the common opinion all around Europe.

And you're wondering why Iraq people are so violent and cruel. You just have to take a look at the history for thousands years in that region. They have had wars all the time and now USA is getting its troops killed in there. People in Iraq do not stop fighting untill they find a leader that is supported by the vast majority. That's no way an easy task...

It should be notified that lots of people in Europe are afraid that Bush will be selected for another term. I really hope that it's not going to happen...

USA shouldn't have gone to ... (Below threshold)
Ville:

USA shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place... Securing the oil deliveries was the major reason why Bush send his troops there. Of course he also wanted to finish his father's project by capturing Saddam. Well done George W! Now the whole country is in big chaos and surprise, surprise there will be more and more people willing to attack against USA all around the world. USA is getting what they deserve and that's the common opinion all around Europe.

And you're wondering why Iraq people are so violent and cruel. You just have to take a look at the history for thousands years in that region. They have had wars all the time and now USA is getting its troops killed in there. People in Iraq do not stop fighting untill they find a leader that is supported by the vast majority. That's no way an easy task...

It should be notified that lots of people in Europe are afraid that Bush will be selected for another term. I really hope that it's not going to happen...

USA shouldn't have gone to ... (Below threshold)
Ville:

USA shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place... Securing the oil deliveries was the major reason why Bush send his troops there. Of course he also wanted to finish his father's project by capturing Saddam. Well done George W! Now the whole country is in big chaos and surprise, surprise there will be more and more people willing to attack against USA all around the world. USA is getting what they deserve and that's the common opinion all around Europe.

And you're wondering why Iraq people are so violent and cruel. You just have to take a look at the history for thousands years in that region. They have had wars all the time and now USA is getting its troops killed in there. People in Iraq do not stop fighting untill they find a leader that is supported by the vast majority. That's no way an easy task...

It should be notified that lots of people in Europe are afraid that Bush will be selected for another term. I really hope that it's not going to happen...

Ville, do you have the slig... (Below threshold)
RMcLeod:

Ville, do you have the slightest clue about what you're saying?

You think the US went into Iraq to secure oil supplies? Really? Do you know which part of the world gets most of it's oil from the Middle East? Hint: YOU live there and it ain't America. If anything it's OUR blood for YOUR oil.

And where exactly have more people been attacking the USA? Please give examples, love to hear them. Last I heard we're fighting in IRAQ not here...or would you rather it was here?

The whole of Iraq is in chaos? Really? So what about Kurdistan and the entire south? Get a frickin' clue man, there is a LIMITED number of terrorists. You don't back down to these animals, if you do then that is when you get more terrorists. Everyone wants to be with a winner. If we run away, then they are the winner and that's a great way to get recruits.

Every poll in Iraq has shown that the vast majority SUPPORT the new government. The vast majority WANT democracy and control over their own affairs. Obviously you think that Iraqis and Arabs are subhumans and incapable of having a decent nation without a dictator. Baloney.

You're a classic Euro-defeatist loser.

And oh, by the way, we don't give a rat's ass about the "common" opinion in Europe.

Bush is going to win. Get used to it.

RMcLeod....couldn't have sa... (Below threshold)
Debra:

RMcLeod....couldn't have said it better!!
I am so sick and tired of hearing what the Europeans think..what the Canadians think and what we must appear as to the rest of the world. Who gives a flying [email protected]% what the rest of them think. The bottom line here is that we are dealing with fanatic barbarians (small faction when compared to those who want us there) that think that they can win favor and remove the coalition by the display of such atrocities. I for one become more enraged, more resloved and more determined that GWB has made the right decision and I support him 100%. I support our troops and I support the Iraqi people whose only desire is to live without fear. Something we take for granted in this country and something some Europeans forget how they got in the first place. Spare me!!!!!
To you Ville:
If it were up to me you wouldn't be allowed the courtesy of voicing your opinions in forums like this. Not deserving enough...Not entitled. What gives you the right to criticize anything the US does? What have you done that warrants us paying attention to anything that you have to say? Scew you for thinking that we are remotely interested in your opinion. Go hug a friggin tree....

XXOO

This is just an observation... (Below threshold)
Eclipsegurl:

This is just an observation, but if all of the hostages are redressed into orange jumpsuits, wouldn't there be a way to trace those into the country? Even through black market channels? If our government can trace the sale of small arms through the black market, couldn't they trace a shipment of orange jumpsuits?

It seems throughout history, that big fish have been cought on minor technicalities or simple mistakes. My guess is, that they've purchased the jumpsuits from an American garment manufacturer.

The garment the Americans/B... (Below threshold)
Edwiges:

The garment the Americans/Britons wear in the beheading video/pictures have been popularly labelled a jumpsuit (“coveralls” to American readers or “overalls” in British or Australian parlance) but it is not actually a garment of this type. A closer examination of the pictures and video indicates that it is a two-piece inmate uniform of a type popular with various US prison authorities. If you remember, we first really got a glimpse of this kind of "jumpsuit" when Timothy McVeigh was paraded by the FBI after being charged with the Oklahoma City bombing.
The point here is that jumpsuits are widely available throughout the world. They are commonly worn by workmen and emergency service personnel. But the US-style two-piece inmate’s uniform is not that common. Several manufacturers produce inmate uniforms of the two-piece style, but their products differ in colour and detail. An important characteristic is that they are very simple and robust with no buttons or fastenings which might be used for nefarious purposes or require repair. Usually they have no pockets or only a single (usually breast) pocket.
The uniform in which captives were dressed throughout the video/pics is such a garment, but it is distinctive in the following ways:

1. Its surface texture is rather reflective and “silky” rather than the flat creaseable finish of pure cotton. It is, therefore, probably made from a fibre which is largely artificial.

2. Some have wide two-third length sleeves that stretch past the elbow (this may have been because they were far too big for certain captives).

3. It is orange, but with a slight pinkish hue.

The top half of one of these suits appears in one of the few Abu Ghraib photos so far released to the public. The photo shows Spc (specialist) Sabrina Harman sewing up what appears to be a dog-bite wound on the leg of an Iraqi prisoner. The naked man is lying on his back with arms tied behind him. The top half of an orange prisoners’ suit has been thrown over his genitals. The colour of this item almost exactly matches the suit worn by the American/Briton captives.

Two-piece orange uniforms were not the only prison garment issued at Abu Ghraib. Another of the publicly-released photos shows a prisoner threatened by a dog. The man is wearing orange cotton overalls. I have also sighted an Associated Press photo taken at a mass prisoner release at Abu Ghraib. It shows a prisoner sitting on the orange jumpsuit he has just removed. A pile of orange garments can be seen in the middle distance.

What do you think?

Where is the video ? Someo... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Where is the video ? Someone posted

home****sec*****us.com/hostages.asp


But that does not help.

Thanks

First of all,let me say I D... (Below threshold)
Tony:

First of all,let me say I DON'T stand with Al-Zarqawi.I am a PACIFIST and don't care where the f*ck we come from,if I had my way,weapons,guns and all of this trash would be out law.But I know we can't!!!
Just a word:
1. I'm NOT against American people,but I don't agree with GWB's choice to go to Iraq,and this is why:if it were just a matter of defeating a dictator like Saddam,why are soldiers still there?There should be just some diplomatic people,maybe coming from UN to help Iraqi people set their government.Furthermore,USA admitted there was any mass-destructing thing,so another reason for staying there falls down.

2. Someone should explain me why US runned back to Saddam for a long while,but when HE threated to fire up his oil supplies rather then let them fall in GWB's hands,US took just 2 days to capture and detain him...

And now,a word to RMcLeod and Debra: I am Italian,this means European,and I feel a victim just like you.I just learned italian hostages Simona Pari and Simona Torretta have been beheaded,like Berg,Johnson,Armstrong,Pearl and Hensley.This should sink every comment about "giving a rat's ass" to my opinion.And,if you don't remember,there had been another incident few months ago.Remember Falluja?

THIS IS WHY I FEEL THE RIGHT TO POST MY OPINION!!!

Of course,I hope all of Al-Qaeda belonging people will be jailed and the key will be thrown in a volcano and their door will be welded,but I'll never handle a knife to cut Al-Zarqawi'head off,even if i know this does not even come close to what he deserves

Tony

To Rmcleod and Debra. Your ... (Below threshold)
James:

To Rmcleod and Debra. Your views are abhorrent and the way you express them clearly demonstrates your inability to deabte in a mature and couteous manner.

I get the impression that if GWb told you cat litter was custard, you would eat it. The war in Iraq is a sham that has done nothing but brought more misery and death to the people of Iraq. Saddam was a monster, no question, but to think for a single moment that he was a threat to the US or UK is beyond a joke. Your small town attitudes such as only America can save the world is laughable. This is not some Hollywood blockbuster where everyone lived happily ever after. This is a real live theatre of war brought to you by CNN, ABC CBS etc etc. Having lived and worked in the US I know from first hand experience just how censored and narrow minded the media coverage of global events is over there. Think Russia, think China, believe me, you haven't got a clue as to what is going on in this world. In fact I think it would be fair to say that prior to 9/11 you wouldn't have been able to point to the middle east on a map or a globe never mind it constituents such as Israel, Saudi Arabia Iraq etc. So lay off the Europeans and Canadians, who probably have a far greater undrestanding of the world than two narrow minded small town fools such as your selves.


To Rmcleod and Debra. Your ... (Below threshold)
James:

To Rmcleod and Debra. Your views are abhorrent and the way you express them clearly demonstrates your inability to deabte in a mature and couteous manner.

I get the impression that if GWb told you cat litter was custard, you would eat it. The war in Iraq is a sham that has done nothing but brought more misery and death to the people of Iraq. Saddam was a monster, no question, but to think for a single moment that he was a threat to the US or UK is beyond a joke. Your small town attitudes such as only America can save the world is laughable. This is not some Hollywood blockbuster where everyone lived happily ever after. This is a real live theatre of war brought to you by CNN, ABC CBS etc etc. Having lived and worked in the US I know from first hand experience just how censored and narrow minded the media coverage of global events is over there. Think Russia, think China, believe me, you haven't got a clue as to what is going on in this world. In fact I think it would be fair to say that prior to 9/11 you wouldn't have been able to point to the middle east on a map or a globe never mind it constituents such as Israel, Saudi Arabia Iraq etc. So lay off the Europeans and Canadians, who probably have a far greater undrestanding of the world than two narrow minded small town fools such as your selves.


Wooops...Wrong town!!!... (Below threshold)
Tony:

Wooops...Wrong town!!!

It was not Falluja,it was Nassirya...

Sorry for this BIG mistake...

Tony

Wooops...Wrong town!!!... (Below threshold)
Tony:

Wooops...Wrong town!!!

It was not Falluja,it was Nassirya...

Sorry for this BIG mistake...

Tony

Once again the pacifist spe... (Below threshold)
Richard:

Once again the pacifist speak out and once again they would not raise up arms, but want them in jail, want them punished, want them brought to terms. Well you can sit in your country with your ‘I want love, not war’ rhetoric while the terrorist find you and slay you for reasons you would not even fathom to understand.

If the world is so much more advanced, and we are all just stupid Americans; then why are so many people trying to get to our country? How is it we are the worst thing to happen to peace, yet people die in the attempt to set foot upon our shores as if it were sacred ground? And we Americans are the first ones to stand up in protection of peace.

“Saddam was a monster, but to think he was a threat…”

Do you really read what you write? How can you have one without the eventuality of the other? Can anyone really say that the localized uprisings in Iraq are worse then the torture they endured prior to their freedom? How can anyone say we don’t understand global events with comments like these? Iraqi men are signing up by the HUNDREDS to become police and service men so that they may defend their new country. They have more electricity, better food and water and other infrastructure.

So many great events are happening in Iraq, yet there are those here that only can see the problems while implying we are shortsighted. Sure, we have not found WMDs of which the entire WORLD said was there, but many believe they are in Syria, but that aside, it is obvious to even the most biased eye that we have not only removed a dictator, but uncovered an Oil for Food scandal from your beloved UN that was costing the Iraqi people Billions of dollars each year!! The majority of Iraqis are free and happy we freed them. Sure they don’t want us there forever, but we won’t be.

Even Russia understands now that terrorist will find even the passive ones and bring hell to their doors. Some here need to wake up to the realization that there are evil people in this world whose lust for slaughter is more horrific then the grandeur of your peace.

We must stay the curse in Iraq and elsewhere until they are strong enough to put down such evil themselves, which is why we are still there with strops. You just can’t buy a kid a bike, then walk away. But first you must teach him to ride the bike and stay long enough to ensure his safety until it is second nature to him as it is to us.

To think Saddam was not a threat is to be ignorant of evil and its world view. To think ‘we can all just get along’ is not only naďve, but showing of a lack of knowledge and understanding of history. GWB saw evil during 9/11 and decided not to wait until this new evil became the old Hitler of the world, but to kill it off now before millions die at its hands.

Understand that evil can’t be negotiated with or reasoned with as their goals are only to destroy.

And please start watching Fox News if you really want to know what is going on.

Richard

Rmcleod and Debra... ... (Below threshold)
Ville:

Rmcleod and Debra...

If you were not interested in my opinion why did you bother to answer with that "true" information that you get in the "Freedom of speech" USA? You get the information what your government wants to let you know.

I have friends in USA, middle east and Europe. Even my friends in the States admit that oil took them there in the first place. Deal with it!! Or go to hug a tree... :D

I think that North Korea with it's nuclear weapon programs is a bigger threat to western world than Iraq. And what has USA done with that case??

I have absolutely NO sympathy for the terrorists and would like to see them captured and punished as much as you do. the thing is that this war can't be won with guns. It's a good thing that Hussein isn't in control anymore, but the fact is that USA have had business with him in the past. They sold him guns are secured oil suplies. Then Saddam got greedy and attacked Kuwait, which was too much for USA-> Persian Gulf war.

USA have sold weapons to Iran and also to some other countries in the middle east. In the past USA took them as its allies, if the country were fighting against communism or was able to provide something to you. That's the way world works, but a problem is that USA has given it's support whenever it has been in its interest. This way they have also turned their back to their old allies and as a result->old "friend" has become an enemy. If you do it too many times no one trusts you anymore.

I agree James that in USA you don't usually know absolutely anything about what's happening in this globe. Mcleod and Debra: I think that you'd need this information: There are other countries besides Canada and UK, and yes Mexico is a country and not one of your States. :P

I could tell you so much about geography and history etc, but that kind of "info splash" could make you start to think yourselves and that might be too much for you, therefore I'll give you an easy start. =)

ps. I'm not anti USA either, whether you believe it or not, but GWB represents something evil that should be stopped...

Richard, Firstly I am not a... (Below threshold)
James:

Richard, Firstly I am not a pacifist and secondly I never never stated that Europe was more advanced. What I said was that our understanding of global events was greater. Perhaps you can explain to me why saddam was such a threat to US national security? Oil perhaps, keeping Bush's little friends in Riyadh happy, another wicked little state which does not recognise human rights?

The so called liberation of Iraq has turned into a nightmare for the allied forces especially for its leading protagonists, the US and the UK. Continental Europe was targeted by extremists in Madrid as a result of Spanish collusion with the US/Uk. The Spanish electorate soon put paid to Aznar's indifference to his people when he was ousted from power a month later. Perhaps not the wisest move.

You seem to think that Saddam could have been the next Hitler. As far as I am aware he did not have designs on global domination or an Islamic Gulf. Iraq was a secular state, totally at odds with its neighbours who are primarily Sharia states. Saddam is as much an infidel to Bin Laden as much bush is . The reason Iraq is now flooded with foreigner terrorists is because America invaded a sovereign Arabic state.

Wonderful, so the allies deposed Saddam but have they delivered the peace? No instead they have aliented the locals who are now joining the insurgents in droves. If you honestly believe the Iraqis are happy with the status quo, I suggest you take a walk down any street in Baghdad Basra etc. But before you do, make sure you have affairs in order kiss your family goodbye, because it will be the last time that you will see them. Fox news may show footage of soldiers distibuting humanitarian aid, Iraqi children accepting candy bars etc etc, but what it doesn't show is the burnt out wreckage of the APCs, the strain on the soldiers faces as they lie besieged taking fire from every corner. Get real man, The Americans are now about as welcome in Iraq as a ham sandwich at a Bar Mitzvah.


Ville. Thanks for the menti... (Below threshold)
James:

Ville. Thanks for the mention. It would appear that the supporters of the war in Iraq have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by their respective goverments because they had little or no knowledge of the situation prior to the war. If GWB makes a proclamation then it must be gospel!

Ville. Thanks for the menti... (Below threshold)
James:

Ville. Thanks for the mention. It would appear that the supporters of the war in Iraq have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by their respective goverments because they had little or no knowledge of the situation prior to the war. If GWB makes a proclamation then it must be gospel!

Richard,I guess the firs pa... (Below threshold)
Tony:

Richard,I guess the firs part of your speech was about me...If so,looks like you missed something...We are no longer in the 60's,and bullshits like "make love,no war" are no more in fashion...Just tell me: could YOU YOURSELF hand the knife supposed to cut Al Zarqawi's head off?Think about it,and please,don't tell me "someone else will think to their fate".
and more,I DO fight to defense MY OWN properties.This does not put me in the warriors' side,I'm still a pacifist!!!

"you can sit in your country..."

If you think your neighbors would slay you,you can move to Italy,we don't have this problem.
Actually,I live in a building completely FILLED with people from Egypt.They are Muslims too,you know?What will you do,MOAB my home? And my death in the bombing,will it be a "side effect",just like bombs to Iraqi civilians?Wow!!!That's why everyone wants to come over there...Better bomb than being bombed,LOL

I ma not a small town small... (Below threshold)
Debra:

I ma not a small town small minded individual. I am a military veteran and a patriot of my country. I have served my time and to me that warroants me voicing any damned opinion about the war efforts in Iraq I please. have you served yor country James? What have you bore witness to?
I am not one who watches mainstream network news. Spare me that the truth is diseminated on ABC/CBS/NBC or CNN. Anyone living in this country with any amount of free thougth knows better. Only the left believe what is broadcast by them.
I have lived in Europe and I have lived in the orient. I know firsthand what people of other cultures feel about Americans. If we are so damned bad here then why is everyone trying to come here.
I am probably far more educated on geographics than I care to admit and I consider myself and educated woman.
My opinion does matter and so does yours. You just happen to be wrong is all!!!

TONY[r speech was ab... (Below threshold)
Richard:

TONY
[r speech was about me...If so,looks like you missed something...We are no longer in the 60's,and bullshits like "make love,no war" are no more in fashion]

Yes the verse changes from generation to generation, but the bleeding hearts still maintain this level of thought. No ware is good, and if we just leave everyone alone, they will leave everyone alone. Would you prefer ‘can’t we all just get along?’

[could YOU YOURSELF hand the knife supposed to cut Al Zarqawi's head off?Think about it,and please,don't tell me "someone else will think to their fate".]

Not sure what the second part is saying ‘to think to their fate’. Sure I would hand the knife if given the chance. I’ve see his beheadings and I am discussed by the lust for slaughter.

[If you think your neighbors would slay you,you can move to Italy,we don't have this problem.]

I’m sure Russia thought the same thing, but just give yourself time and as soon you are the softest target, you will see.

JAMES
[supporters of the war in Iraq have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by their respective goverments because they had little or no knowledge of the situation prior to the war.]

actually I allow myself to be educated on the facts and draw upon that to form my opinions. I think it took too long to remove Saddam.

[Firstly I am not a pacifist and secondly I never never stated that Europe was more advanced. What I said was that our understanding of global events was greater.]

ok, same thing but different words. Fine.

[The so called liberation of Iraq has turned into a nightmare]

every pool of the Iraqi people speak to the opposite of what you just said. Everyone that has come from Iraq has said how well things are going outside the few very violent pockets in Iraq.

[You seem to think that Saddam could have been the next Hitler. As far as I am aware he did not have designs on global domination or an Islamic Gulf. Iraq was a secular state, totally at odds with its neighbours]

yes, the next one to slaughter thousands of people, starting firstly within Iraq, following with his neighbors like Afghanistan, and then venturing outward to Iran (again) and throughout the middle east. That is the risk the world should not be willing to take, that is to wait until hundreds of thousand or millions are slaughter before we act. Saddam has used WMDs on his own people and neighbors, so why not on others outside his region.

[Wonderful, so the allies deposed Saddam but have they delivered the peace? ]

Peace is not won in a day, when has it ever been?? But much progress is being made as insurgents are being found and killed.

[I suggest you take a walk down any street in Baghdad Basra etc.]

I think you are spreading FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) with what is going on over there. Sure, things are not 100%, and I might have done some things differently, but that is from the perspective of reading from the back of the book. Everyone has better hindsight.

I’m thinking what your country does not want you to see is the wonderful things being done in Iraq but all the wrong so you can say, ‘see, this is why we are not there’.

I would like to say that I do wish we (USA) would get out of the world and let it be as it is. Place are military around our borders and keep the scum out of here, while letting the world fall apart with passivism as evil is like cancer and will spread until it is met with force. But France gave itself up to Germany once, and will to terrorism. If the whole of the world wants men like Saddam, I say let them have him.

Richard


Why do people want to move ... (Below threshold)
Ville:

Why do people want to move to the States... Because they do have jobs in there!! People also have a chance to get rich in there. But if they had these same oppurtunities in their home country I strongly doubt that they'd move to USA. I have friends that work in there currently and all of them want to raise their kids in their home soil.

They don't feel that it is not safe enough to let your kids grow up in a country, where so many people have guns. This gun enthusiasm seems to be a reflection from "wild western". But do you honestly feel safe on the streets, when you know that there are always wackos(in every country) that can shoot you with a LEGAL weapon??

You have millions of poor people(there is research evidence) there that would need help from the government, but instead of helping them, your fellow citizens, they put more and more money into actions of war. And where this money comes from... Government needs to take more foreign depth. I understand that in your culture you create your own happiness and fortunes, and I respect+honour that. The less fortuned ones could though get some extra attention.

btw. it's really hard and long battle to complitely destroy terrorism movement. If the terrorists are willing to kill themselves for their "clause" you can't threat them with violence. You can kill them, but eventually there will be others the replace the lost ones. And, if you think that the war is forgotten in a decade, you are so wrong! In the western countries it's probably true, but in the Middle East and Balkan, some of the wars they have had or still have derive from the time hundreds or thousand(s) years ago. They fight over some cities or areas their ancestors have lived in the past. Usually religion plays powerful part in these wars. If the "holy book" says that some area belongs to them, they do anything to get it back. Too bad that there isn't just one of these books, but several, with different stories.

In Chechnya it's a different story. Chechnya declared themselves independent after U.S.S.R collapsed. Russia knew that there is oil etc. in there and wanted to reunion Chechnya to Russia. Result was no surprise -> a war. Russians have now destroyed the whole country with bombings and under this long war the pressure has chrashed the minds and hopes of the majority of Chechnyan people. They don't have jobs, security + many people have lost their family members. If you combine these factors together you have a great terrorist candidate with a powerful will for revenge. Hopefully the the situation in Iraq will get better soon, because this same thing might happen in there as well.

I'm happy to live in a small country, where also the problems are small. =) The terrorists have so far attacked only against the conquer/ally countries. Doesn't that tell you something? GWB ain't the guy to solve this problem. Don't know if Kerry can do any better, but hopefully he gets his chance. Bill was way better, but ironically his cheating seemed to be more shocking than war to some people in USA. First Bill and later on it was Janet... How can some people be so hypocrite? Killing/Boobs... I vote for boobs! ;)

Richard:"to think ab... (Below threshold)
Tony:

Richard:
"to think about their fate" means "let someone else think what to do with this criminals".That's what I meant.

"I sure would hand the knife..."Did you REALLY read what you wrote?I agree with you if you say "Al Zarqawi would deserve no less than this",but let me tell you,WITHOUT ANY OFFENSE,that if you REALLY can do this and live in peace with yourself,you are not better than him!!!AND OF COURSE,I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE VIDEOS TOO... Not every one of them,becuse my stomach rebels in seein such atrocities.

"as soon as you are a softest target..."

maybe you have missed something..WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN A TARGET!!! they apparently have just slaugtered 2 girls who had NOTHING TO DO with this fucking war.And don't forget the attempt in Nassisrya few months ago... THOSE POLICEMEN WERE ITALIANS!!!! GOT IT?
And now,a little provacation for you:
would you let YOUR SON leave your country to Bagdad,knowing what is going on there??? If you really believe in this war,you surely would.
I WOULD NOT!!!RATHER CLOSE HIM IN HIS BEDROOM AND THROW AWAY THE KEY

Remember,we all can easily talk about war,but sending there some relative is not so easy to think...and this is why I'm AGAINST any kind of war...

Richard/DebraRathe... (Below threshold)
James:

Richard/Debra

Rather bored now at this stage reading the same old rhetoric. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree! Just a couple of points though. Europe as a society has been around a lot longer than the US. The major countries in Europe amd to a lesser extent the smaller ones spent the best part of a millenium waging wars and colonising the world. Having learnt from the errors of their ways (peace in Europe and disbanded colonies with the odd outpost remaining!) it is sad to see perhaps the worlds largest power sticking its nose into the affairs of countries where it is clearly not wanted, Korea, Vietnam Central and Southern America and now the Middle East.

With the ending of the Cold War in the late 80s early 90s, there was an opportunity for peace, the creation of a new world order. However with the Russian threat gone but days, it would appear that the US were on the look out for a new enemy. Well it looks like they have found one for life in the form of Islamic nations. but this is not a war that can be waged in a particular country or confined to a piece of land miles from the safety of the US mainland. This is a war that could threaten the safety of the entire world, and for what ends? Oil, an idiotic son's attempt to finish a job which his father failed to do? Whatever the reason I hope one day the US will learn from its mistakes. You must realise that as the single largest power in the world the US's actions have repurcussions across the entire planet. When the US sneezes the rest of the worls catches a cold. Until then, Whereas you guys say "God bless America" I say "God, please have mercy on them for they do not know what they do".

Let' warn the good people o... (Below threshold)
kay muller:

Let' warn the good people of Iraq and foriegn contractors to evacuate the country for 2 weeks. The Islamic terrorist scum can stay and defend their land. The U.S. can now carpet bomb Iraq and forge a new international parking lot.

I hope those bastards that ... (Below threshold)
Kristen:

I hope those bastards that are committing the beheadings aren't killed right away. I hope they are captured soon and tortured for years and years to come. I don't understand how these men aren't caught...I wish I could go over to Iraq right now and find these assholes and make them pay. I have never been so disgusted or angry in my life. SOMEBODY FIND THEM AND MAKE THEM PAY!!!!

I hope those bastards that ... (Below threshold)
Kristen:

I hope those bastards that are committing the beheadings aren't killed right away. I hope they are captured soon and tortured for years and years to come. I don't understand how these men aren't caught...I wish I could go over to Iraq right now and find these assholes and make them pay. I have never been so disgusted or angry in my life. SOMEBODY FIND THEM AND MAKE THEM PAY!!!!




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