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T.V News website tells kids how to make a bomb

You have to wonder what they were thinking. The story was a about 3 kids who set off a small bomb at a restaurant because they got a bad milkshake. But the reporter included this paragraph:

Investigators say the men mixed toilet bowl cleaner and aluminum foil in a plastic soda bottle as they sat at a table Friday evening near the restaurant's restrooms. They then capped the bottle, put it on the table and left before it exploded at 10:45 p.m. Friday. A customer sitting 10 feet away wasn't hit by the splashing chemicals.

Usually T.V. news websites run the script they use on the news. I hope they did not get on the air and tell kids how to bulild a bomb. Sure the info is in google, but let's not give the kids any more ideas then they already have.

(and the kids were dumb, everyone knows dry ice works better.)


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Well, it's on Google *now* ... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Well, it's on Google *now* thanks to this blog I just read (they have a bomb in the upper left corner of their Web page design, they must be some sort of anarchist group)...

This idea's been around for... (Below threshold)
Cybrludite:

This idea's been around for a while. You can find it mentioned in the Poor Man's James Bond. Supposed to make quite the tear gas effect, IIRC.

Kids???These guys ... (Below threshold)
Rance:

Kids???

These guys were 19, 19, and 21.
If they are bailed out of jail, they can vote.

So let's see if I got this ... (Below threshold)
FA:

So let's see if I got this right. You're upset about a local TV station with little exposure posting a semi-detailed article about building a bomb. So you react by reposting the same information and linking to the article which gives them a whole lot more exposure. I guess that makes sense.

You were probably so outraged by Janet Jackson's exposed nipple that you had to link to all the pictures and videos, too.

Hey thanks for the directio... (Below threshold)
Larry:

Hey thanks for the directions. I think I'll sent the RNC a gift!!! (Just kidding, don't call Adolf Ashcroft!)

A few things irk me about t... (Below threshold)
Jmaster:

A few things irk me about this one. I built some ďbombsĒ like this when I was 13 or 14 years old. And much as I hate to admit it, that was 25 years ago. I didnít learn about it on the internet or TV, but from talking about it with buddies at school. So weíre not exactly dealing with cutting edge information here. And if I recall things correctly, the drain cleaner isnít an acid, so the guy who explained how the things are built actually gave bad instructions. Iím not going to describe what you really use here, but I suspect a quick Google search would turn up 20 or 30 sites with instructions.

Itís borderline to even call these things ďexplosive devicesĒ. They work by generating gasses through a chemical reaction. The gases cause the plastic bottle to rupture because of over pressurization. Its not a whole lot different than filling a balloon until it pops. Technically speaking, thatís not an explosion. It is possible that some of the gases developed in the process are flammable, but thatís not what makes the things pop.

All that being said, this is most definitely a bone headed thing to do (donít try this at home). While some of the drain cleaner is neutralized during the reaction, there will most likely be enough left to cause some nasty problems if it happens to splash on someone located nearby. And even if no one is nearby, the clean up can be a pain. And it is scary.

But what really pisses me off about this one is the knee jerk reaction that some people are having. For example, on the Howard Stern show yesterday, they were reporting it as some sort of terrorist act, carried out by US soldiers on US soil. They were speculating whether these guys might be explosive experts in the Army, if this is where they learned to make such bombs, etc. And then it was ďwhat kind of psychopaths is the Bush administration creating with this war?Ē

Drain Cleaner can be either... (Below threshold)
larry:

Drain Cleaner can be either acid or basic. All you need is a reaction and pressure build up and BOOM!!!

Toilet bowl cleaner + alumi... (Below threshold)
NotAChemist:

Toilet bowl cleaner + aluminum foil = homemade Drano.

Drano + water + sealed container = pressure overload

"Itís borderline to even ca... (Below threshold)

"Itís borderline to even call these things ďexplosive devicesĒ. They work by generating gasses through a chemical reaction. The gases cause the plastic bottle to rupture because of over pressurization. Its not a whole lot different than filling a balloon until it pops. Technically speaking, thatís not an explosion. It is possible that some of the gases developed in the process are flammable, but thatís not what makes the things pop."

JMaster: What do you think an explosion is? If it's not a chemical reaction that causes a rapid expansion of gasses, then what else could it be? What could be making the pop if not the rapid expansion of gas? This like the device described is just basic chemistry. I suppose you will next be telling me that the combustion of gasoline in my car engine is not an explosion either.

By the way, drano is made from lye, which is a very potent base. It's not an acid, but it is still quite corrosive.

Brahim

Brahim, I suspect ... (Below threshold)
Jmaster:

Brahim,

I suspect this will bore people sh*tless, but I guess they know how to skip things they donít care to read.

I am aware that Drano is a base as opposed to an acid. But that was one of the details I wished to leave fuzzy, lest I be accused of clarifying how to really make one of these.

I didn't want to get into an argument over semantics/language, but thatís what we are dealing with here.

As I said, this is a borderline definition of ďexplosiveĒ. Here is the first definition that pops up on a Google search:

http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1&word=explosive


"The noun "explosive" has 1 sense in WordNet.

1. explosive -- (a chemical substance that undergoes a rapid chemical change (with the production of gas) on being heated or struck)

The adjective "explosive" has 3 senses in WordNet.

1. explosive (vs. nonexplosive) -- (tending or serving to explode or characterized by explosion or sudden outburst; "an explosive device"; "explosive gas"; "explosive force"; "explosive violence"; "an explosive temper")
2. explosive, volatile -- (liable to lead to sudden change or violence; "an explosive issue"; "a volatile situation with troops and rioters eager for a confrontation")
3. explosive -- (sudden and loud; "an explosive laugh")"


I would maintain that this reaction doesnít fall under the noun definition for two reasons. First, the reaction isnít initiated by heat or force. Thatís the biggie. Second, while it is an expansion of gasses, I wouldnít call it rapid. But that could be argued, I guess.

I do agree that the adjective definitions 1 or 3 could apply to a description of the event. I think thatís where the confusion comes in.

The point I was trying to make is that ďexplosiveĒ is a fuzzy word. And many people who donít understand these things, or donít care to read beyond the headline, or have biases or prejudices for whatever reason, are lumping this into the same category as a stick of dynamite, or a pipe bomb, or C4 or whatever. I donít think thatís correct, but maybe I am splitting hairs. I would at least want people to understand that its not so cut and dried. I donít know exactly what the legal definition is, but I suspect a decent attorney could argue this either way.

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