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Which Side Of The GWOT Is France On?

Big surprise, not ours. From the Telegraph UK:

The Italian businessman at the centre of a furious row between France and Italy over whose intelligence service was to blame for bogus documents suggesting Saddam Hussein was seeking to buy material for nuclear bombs has admitted that he was in the pay of France.

His admission to investigating magistrates in Rome on Friday apparently confirms suggestions that - by commissioning "Giacomo" to procure and circulate documents - France was responsible for some of the information later used by Britain and the United States to promote the case for war with Iraq.

Italian diplomats have claimed that, by disseminating bogus documents stating that Iraq was trying to buy low-grade "yellowcake" uranium from Niger, France was trying to "set up" Britain and America in the hope that when the mistake was revealed it would undermine the case for war, which it wanted to prevent.

Even with the war won, they're still hoping that we will imitate them and surrender.


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Comments (10)

The parallels between this ... (Below threshold)
Jmaster:

The parallels between this scam and Rathergate are quite astounding…..

For everyone of you out the... (Below threshold)
Hurt and Disillutioned:

For everyone of you out there apologizing and making excuses for the horrendous mess we are now in (Iraq) you make me sick. I supported Bush in 2000, I will vote against him and beg and plead with everyone I know (and some I don't know) to vote against him. It is a weakness to send others to die without really considering the lives you are tampering with. I am a veteran, the child of a veteran, the spouse of a veteran, and the grandchild of a veteran. This administration foreign policy has put average enlisted people and their families in danger. I know most don't care most of the world hates America now, but some people have to live overseas, while serving in the military. Iraq was a lie; it doesn't matter who supported it at a time when we all believed Sadaam was linked to Osama. The president had better intelligence than we did. Bury your heads in the sand if you want to. This patriot is going to fight to right this horrible wrong. Send Bush back to Texas.

- Coming on the heels of Au... (Below threshold)
Hunter:

- Coming on the heels of Au Francaise' latest malaprop and dissing of all things American, nothing should be surprising anymore. They now demand that in order for them to take part in the coalition conference the Bush admin. is trying to arrange:

1) We must immediately withdraw from Iraq.
B) The insurgents must be given seats at the council.

- In spite of a recent French representatives statement that "[regardless] of which candidate wins France will not under any circumstances support the Iraqi war", and given the above conditions, its a safe bet to assume they want Kerry in the White house.

- There's little room for doubt Botox Lurch would exit Iraq regardless of the cost to our strategic interests, or the fact that at some time in the future the car bombs will be moved to downtown New York.

- Even more telling is the idea that Al Zarqawi sitting at the same table with Colin Powell a few weeks after cutting off American civilians heads, would be perfectly reasonable to the far left Dem's in Kerry's party....Bon appitite'

Troll alert.... (Below threshold)
Troll Patrol:

Troll alert.

Perhaps it is time we finis... (Below threshold)
Mikey:

Perhaps it is time we finish withdrawing our troops from France.

The ones that lie in their serried rows under the green grass. We have plenty of room for a new cemetary.

Jean Francois Kerry will gl... (Below threshold)

Jean Francois Kerry will gladly succomb to any demands the Frogs might make of him. He is of the same appeaser ilk as the rest of the European elitists.

There is a later <a href="h... (Below threshold)
Rich:

There is a later story in the Telegraph:

Italian judicial officials confirmed yesterday that Mr Martino had previously been sought for questioning by Rome. Investigating magistrates in the city have opened an inquiry into claims he made previously in the international press that Italy's secret services had been behind the dissemination of false documents, to bolster the US case for war.

According to Ansa, the Italian news agency, which said privately that it had obtained its information from "judicial and other sources", Mr Martino was questioned by an investigating magistrate, Franco Ionta, for two hours. Ansa said Mr Martino told the magistrate that Italy's military intelligence, Sismi, had no role in the procuring or dissemination of the Niger documents.

He was also said to have claimed that he had obtained the documents from an employee at the Niger embassy in Rome, before passing these to French intelligence, on whose payroll he had been since at least 2000.

Oops, my bad. I didn't real... (Below threshold)
Rich:

Oops, my bad. I didn't realize that you already linked to the later story.

French Intelligence -- now ... (Below threshold)
Jim:

French Intelligence -- now there's a real oxymoron.

"Hurt And Disillusioned":</... (Below threshold)
-S-:

"Hurt And Disillusioned":

You wrote:
"...I know most don't care most of the world hates America now..."

And I write here in comment to that:

Please explain how it is that you "know" what "most" (of us, I think you were alluding to) "care" or do not "care" about or over or to what extent...

And, how it is that you "know" that "most of the world hates America..."

You probably have just been allowing a tad too much access to your emotions by Liberals with huge tales to tell and a lot of negativity to shove upon anyone who will give them a moment to do so.

Because, in my experience, most of the return visitors to Wizbang! and other generally balanced, mostly conservative blogs and sites are very, very kind, thoughtful, intelligent and compassionate, and mostly in regards to their communities, selvse and families. So, you can't at all "know" what and how "most" of us "care" or don't "care" and about what...it's just not possible.

I THINK what you're trying to express is that you FEAR that society in general opines one way or another, but without any firsthand experience, there's just no way you can "know" much about another human being, much less a group you don't even know (people here, generally, I am thinking you meant).

About "the rest of the world" not liking the United States, that's complete hogwash. Think about how many people immigrate to the U.S. each and every day, or would like to do so, and explain why it is that we're such a bad place...you can't, no one can because the popularity of the democratic process and better way of life for many defies that particular Liberal meme (that the United States is "disliked" and all that, by "the world", which it is not).

There are certain governments whose leaders don't care for our leaders. And, media originating from Liberal sources in the U.S. mostly motivates other media, worldwide, to just mimic what they read and hear inorder to be trendy, mostly. A lot of what takes place in France -- the "anti American trend in France" -- isn't based on specifics so much as it is based upon social trends IN FRANCE, as an aspect of their culture.

And, the French have, mostly, always reviled us peasants in America. Nothing new there.

We'd have to go country by country and culture by culture to discuss the actual issue about "the rest of the world," but it is hardly accurate that "the world" dislikes the U.S. Just certain cultures and most of those are communist and/or socialist on the horizon of communism, so they are easily threatened by people who suggest respect for the individual -- runs contrary to their very premise, so they're afraid of the idea.

Some in North Korea and China probably "hate" the U.S., some in Mexico do, some in South America do, some in France do, some in Spain do, but, mostly, many in the world don't. Just stop accepting what Kerry and the DNC is using to scare and frighten and try reasoning through to specifics in these very large areas (of "war," "the world," and similar). The DNC has certainly frightened a lot of people, but it's still the party of fear -- that alone should tell you that they aren't concerned for your happiness, if anything should.




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