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Did John Kerry Cheat at the Debate?

Bill at INDCJournal has another long fly ball. Video seems to show that John Kerry pulled some notes out of his jacket while his back was turned to the audience at the start of the debate. Later video looks like he is unfolding something.

Even if they were not notes, (which is what it really looks like) the rules specifically said the candidates were not allowed to bring anything in with them. Interesting.

Go read all about it.

(The video has a FOXNews crawler but it was pool cameras so they all have the same footage. )

If they get flooded, Drudge is hosting it too. My bad, I was packing boxes and I looked too fast. He just links it.

update- I was busy so I trusted an emailer. Drudge does host it. Click on the picture in his story.


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Comments (63)

Interesting.I also... (Below threshold)
Albertoast:

Interesting.

I also heard that Bush might have had an earpiece in. At one point in the debate, he seems to have said "Let me finish..." or something like it while he was in the midst of his comments.

To Albertoast - Get a grip.... (Below threshold)
Katherine Lambert:

To Albertoast - Get a grip.

Kerry has been caught redhanded breaking the rules. That let me finish is all over the lefty loony blogs.

Get a video bud then make the accusation.

A hankie? maybe he brought ... (Below threshold)
postit:

A hankie? maybe he brought a hankie to the debate, quick check the rules someone!

Y'all chase this down for all its worth you hear. The very idea that Kerry needs to bring anything but himself to debate AWOL, well I'm sure you get the idea if you actually watched the debate.

Perhaps Kerry should offer to have one hand tied behind his back for the next debate? I'd be interested in any reasonable suggestion from the GOP that sought to return at least the appearance of a fair competition into the next one. That would be a sporting concession by Kerry that could take some of the edge off the bad feeling apparent from his having mercilessley pummeled the defenceless chimp in the 1st outing.

I commented earlier that it... (Below threshold)

I commented earlier that it seemed strange that Kerry dissed Lehrer at the end of the debate - but now it doesn't seem so strange. Perhaps it was nerves or a bit of slight of hand - Did he Diss or Dispose of the evidence?
David

BOOKMARK OF THE PRE-ASSIGNE... (Below threshold)
acarara:

BOOKMARK OF THE PRE-ASSIGNED QUESTIONS WITH SUMMARY OF HIS ANSWERS.

Unreal that anyone who has ... (Below threshold)
chuck:

Unreal that anyone who has a grasp of what kerry is all about would be shocked if he lied or cheated. It is what I expect from a man with no inner core.

As a professor, I have seen... (Below threshold)
Frostbitten:

As a professor, I have seen the "Slight-of-Hand" cheat sheet manuver too many times. I could not believe my eyes when I saw it during the "debate." Thank God for Digital Video Recorders!

The cheat sheets I recovered over the years all had either the questions, the answers or both. I wonder which group Kerry's crib notes belongs in.

Prior access to the moderators questions would fit with the other media escapades witnessed during the past few months. I guess that's impossible given the right-wing media culture at PBS.

I've decided on a decent ru... (Below threshold)
Tim in PA:

I've decided on a decent rule of thumb; that the louder the shrieking from the Kerry camp, the more likely the accusations are true.

Extra points are added for every instance of "Karl Rove", "conservative-biased media" and "right-wing bloggers."

:D

Right, postit. Which debat... (Below threshold)
Sean:

Right, postit. Which debate did you watch? All I saw was Kerry offering empty rhetoric to Bush's all to real accomplishments. Kerry was better stylistically, but just barely. That doesn't bode well for a Yale debate team champ, former prosecutor and 20 year veteran of the U.S. Senate. Given all that Kerry actually sucked wind in this first debate.

It is only fair - President... (Below threshold)
Tidbit:

It is only fair - President Bush be allowed to bring notes to the next debate. Kerry should be checked to make sure that he does not have any notes. This was it would keep the debates 'fair and equal'.

I love it.After lo... (Below threshold)
Albertoast:

I love it.

After looking at the video from Drudge, it looks like BUSH is placing a piece of paper on his podium, not Kerry!

Got to be careful when you accuse your opponent of something that you're man is not guilty of the same thing.

SeanI guess we did... (Below threshold)
postit:

Sean

I guess we didn't watch the same debate.

I watched the one were the next president of the US completely and unequivocally demolished any notion that the present incumbent deserves a 2nd term.

Which one did you catch? the one where Chimpy captivated the viewing audience with his eloquent demonstration of the depth and magnitude of his superior knowledge and intellect, oh and he didn't fall over or pick his nose either.

Yeah that one right, ... giggles!

It looks awfully like a han... (Below threshold)
Ron Atkinson:

It looks awfully like a hankerchief to mops his brow with.

It looks awfully like a ... (Below threshold)
postit:

It looks awfully like a hankerchief to mops his brow with.

Yes and if he'd had the common decency to offer same to poor George after meeting out such a vicious unprovoked beating there wouldn't be so much bad feeling toward the unconscionable bully.

Miffed GOPer

Albertoast. There were pape... (Below threshold)
Katherine Lambert:

Albertoast. There were papers on the podium that were allowed in. Please inform yourself further at INDC.com before you post trivil again.

I have the proof!<... (Below threshold)
I watched the one were t... (Below threshold)

I watched the one were the next president of the US completely and unequivocally demolished any notion that the present incumbent deserves a 2nd term.

I watched that one too. In 1980.

In 2004, not so much.

Katherine;WTF is "... (Below threshold)
Albertoast:

Katherine;

WTF is "INDC.com"?

WTF is "trivil"?

Further evidence of Bush's earpiece, aside from his phantom comment, is the lump under his jacket clearly visible from behind that are consistent with a transmitter/receiver unit. Or perhaps he just has an unusually protrusive T6 vertebrae?

You see, the TV agreement stipulated no shots from behind. Looks like Bush got caught out on both that and the split screen/reaction shots (he cannot have known his impatient sneers were being broadcast to 60 million viewers, could he?).

(he cannot have known hi... (Below threshold)
postit:

(he cannot have known his impatient sneers were being broadcast to 60 million viewers, could he?).

Ah Watson but methinks you just defeated your own argument!

Personaly I think the "let me finish" remark is simply his motor response at the point were the synapses stop firing during the verbal bashing from Kerry. He just isn't used to this confrontational stuff, not from people in the campaign the administration or the press. It was a 'pet goat moment'.

postit;You think K... (Below threshold)
Albertoast:

postit;

You think Karen Hughes or Karl Rove were watching the same feed? If so, perhaps that's how Bush interprets suggestions to "look tough" or "look serious"??

Albert maybe,but a... (Below threshold)
postit:

Albert maybe,

but again looking at the video I do see Kerry pulling something from his coat pocket and it looks suspiciously like .... wait,.. well,.............yes,yes ...... a can of WHOOP ASS!

Alberboast:... (Below threshold)
Katherine Lambert:


Alberboast:

My bad http://www.indcjournal.com/

Trivil it is that magic little Karl Rove word that only us with secret earphones and backlumps know.

Post it You stole ... (Below threshold)
Katherine Lambert:

Post it

You stole that from another website. Not a good thing to steal and not give profs

http://www.indcjournal.com/ look for lefty link mentioned there. It is funny, but we'll see who gets the last laugh boys.

October might prove to be surprising.

Albertoast:"Trivil... (Below threshold)
JohnGalt:

Albertoast:

"Trivil" is apparently trivial drivel.

If you seriously think Bush was wearing an earpiece, you are in need of help from the galactic positioning system. Please locate the cluster nearest to you by going here:

http://www.cpither.freeserve.co.uk/galactic_clusters.htm

Katherine:

You are wickedly funny and have not yet done anything in this threat to put an upper bound on your IQ. Pleased to have met you.

JohnGalt

For all the kool-aid drinke... (Below threshold)
Tim in PA:

For all the kool-aid drinkers out there, Bush quite clearly approaches the podium and picks up a pen that was on it. That is all.

Well, I've been saving the ... (Below threshold)
Albertoast:

Well, I've been saving the best for last.

The best evidence Bush was wearing an earpiece is....

He spoke in complete sentences (mostly)!

Occam's razor, y'all.

Hey Tim,Where do y... (Below threshold)
Albertoast:

Hey Tim,

Where do you think he got that special flat folding pen from? I'd like to get myself one.

Um, Occam's Razor would ind... (Below threshold)

Um, Occam's Razor would indicate that there was no earpiece! The principle states that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed. Minimum would be the President alone - Kerry with cheat sheet.
DKK

I've got an exclusive - <a ... (Below threshold)
Sean:

I've got an exclusive - Kerry's Cheat Sheet!

How do I cheat thee. Let m... (Below threshold)
Katherine Lambert:

How do I cheat thee. Let me count the ways.

Cheat you of knowing the facts of my history but not releasing medical, military, wife's taxes, divorce/child support records, education records.

Cheat you of knowing my secret plans.

Cheat you of knowing my final answer for Iraq.

Cheat you of knowing if it was a bottle tan, spray tan or pill tan and if I had botox on face and underarms.

Cheat you of knowing just how far my head is stuck up Kennedy hero of Chappaquiddick's butt.

Cheat you of reading my first book "New Soldier".

Cheat you of knowing just how many times I went to Paris to meet with the enemy.

Cheat you off seeing my yacht Scaramouche.

Cheat you out of knowing I stole a guy's Cookie Business concept lock stock and barrell.

Cheat you of body armour and tanks in Iraq to make a "Protest Vote"

Oh the 100s of ways I cheat you.

And never get called on it.

So I cheat because I can, as Clinton so sweetly put it.

Nah it was <a href="http://... (Below threshold)
Name:

Nah it was this

Who gives a f?... (Below threshold)
klaatu:

Who gives a f?

Go watch it again, at Daily... (Below threshold)
Tim in PA:

Go watch it again, at Daily Recycler, Albertoast ( I did, just to give you the benefit of a doubt ). Bush clearly picks up a pen, turns it in his hand so it is gripped pointing downwards like a dagger (a reverse grip), and clicks it with his thumb.

A hankie? maybe he brought ... (Below threshold)
postit:

A hankie? maybe he brought a hankie to the debate, quick check the rules someone!

Y'all chase this down for all its worth you hear. The very idea that Kerry needs to bring anything but himself to debate AWOL, well I'm sure you get the idea if you actually watched the debate.

Perhaps Kerry should offer to have one hand tied behind his back for the next debate? I'd be interested in any reasonable suggestion from the GOP that sought to return at least the appearance of a fair competition into the next one. That would be a sporting concession by Kerry that could take some of the edge off the bad feeling apparent from his having mercilessley pummeled the defenceless chimp in the 1st outing.

Excuse me while I go search... (Below threshold)
postit:

Excuse me while I go search other left-winger posts to steal comments from so I look like I'm clever and original.

You all are just controlled by KARL ROVE JEDI MIND CONTROL RAYS!!! Wake up, people!

I can't believe Kerry is going to lose the election because of Rove's Jedi Mind tricks... this burns me up inside... BURNS ME UP. Someone needs to EXPOSE the conservative hijacking of votes by mind control!!!!!!

Postit sez:"I watche... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Postit sez:
"I watched the one WERE the next president..."

"mercilessley"

"defenceless chimp"

I love it when the left wingers call Dubya a chimp...and they screw up the spelling while doing it! Ironic, eh, Einstein?

Unless he means that GW is a chimp without a fence, then I'll withdraw my comment.

Dear Postit and Albertoast,... (Below threshold)

Dear Postit and Albertoast,

Your comments are deathless. Your wisdom and wit will surely convince any who read them that Kerry and his supporters will after all turn the tide of Islamic zealotry to feelings of warm congeniality, and make them set aside their little timers and fuzes and blocks of C-4, and smile at one another.

“Say, Sayeed? Should it after all be our purpose this day to detonate many Improvised Explosive Devices along the public way, where stroll many children and women, who in their acquiescence to the INFIDEL and his manifold evils, are a stink in the eye of ALLAH?”

“Most Assuredly NOT, afendi, as it is clear from the wit and wisdom of certain commenters at Wizbang that John Kerry’s superior debating skill has humbled the blaspheming excrement of a pig for a president Bush, and we need not trouble ourselves further with defeating the hated enemy!”

“The inevitable truth of your keen eye, like that of the kite circling its prey, commends itself to me, my friend. Let us abandon our jihad against the unbelievers, for the balm of a John Kerry Administration approaches to soothe all hearts, and mend the sundered amity between us and our pig-eating infidel but eventually redeemable brothers.”
-----
Give me a break.

If you have Cox Digital Cab... (Below threshold)
SBD:

If you have Cox Digital Cable VOD, for me it is channel 998, you can view the debate. I must say that it looks like a cheat sheet to me on my 50" Plasma with the Zoom feature.

Also, look at the way Kerry shook The President's hand. Notice how he doesn't let go. What was he trying to do? Was he just trying to get Bush mad or was it a diversion?

Not to mention his grin while he was pulling out his cheat sheet and what was he rambling about. He was acting like he was the host.

SBD

Tipping point people! here... (Below threshold)
postit:

Tipping point people! here it comes.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi/3777

The Lefties have been out I... (Below threshold)
KJC:

The Lefties have been out IN FORCE trying to downplay this all across the internet. They've been throwing up more ink than a bunch of octopi cornered in an underwater cave.

Ain't gonna work.

Kerry is BUSTED. Caught RED-HANDED.

I would suggest a better sc... (Below threshold)
A.D.C.:

I would suggest a better screening for Moderator, and an over-all willingness to resist the temptation to undermine the individual decisions of the American People.

This moderator should NOT have over-looked the removal of "ANYTHING" from the suit coat of a candidate (President or Senator) under this agreement.

Also, who gave Senator Kerry permission to make opening statements, in which he named specific individuals(s)? [Chap 5; section b and c]
There is a reason why opening statements, isolated flattery, and complements, are not permitted.

Last: According to [Chapter 9. STAGING; paragraph 5] camera angles of only the candidate during the time that candidate is speaking, is permissible. No side angle shots away from the speaking candidate.

We all saw where these TV-cutaways of President Bush were later used.

Would Kerry have been caugh... (Below threshold)

Would Kerry have been caught orange-handed?

No, it appears to be a pen.... (Below threshold)
jml:

No, it appears to be a pen. Republicans are fantasizing that Kerry's large hands are something else.

Video, more obviously shows Bush cheating. For instance, he kept stepping on Kerry's time. Kerry would be ending a comment, and Bush wouldn't wait till Kerry's time ended before he started talking his nonsense. The lights clear show his cheating.

This note thing is just a way for the republican cry babies to blame their failures on someone else. Kerry was going to win this debate, period. The GOP is just creating spin.

Kerry should say "I kicked her little ass". A quote Bush's daddy used after a debate.

Kerry was very clever to pu... (Below threshold)
bitter mastermind:

Kerry was very clever to pull a stunt like this while nobody was looking. Clearly he is a damngerous man...

It is vitally important that this story be kept alive. It has nothing to do with desperate paranoia -- this is a quest for the truth!

Keep up the good work!

JML -- No one kicked anyone... (Below threshold)
Jim:

JML -- No one kicked anyone's ass. Kerry won the debate based on his slick presentation. However, you gave us much to ponder should he be elected.
The Global Test? Asking allies to help us in a situation he himself calls "a grand diversion?" Bringing back the Clintonistas if he's elected (Fox News reported that this morning)? Plus the sundry lies and half-truths that are the hallmark of the Democrat Party. Kerry won -- and everyone knows it -- because he was able to re-invent himself yet again. For all of Bush's flubs and debate deficiencies, Americans know exactly where he stands. Whereas with Kerry, we need his surrogates to clearify what he said, deny what he said, explain what he really meant, and argue that he's been consistant and he's not a flip-flopper. Also, the Chicago Sun-Times has an interesting story on Kerry bugging out in Vietnam when he thought his Swift Boat unit was under attack. The article explains that he left the other boats to fend for themselves and it was his frantic retreat that caused Rassman to fall of the boat.

BTW, the latest Rasmussen p... (Below threshold)
Jim:

BTW, the latest Rasmussen poll came out this morning:
Bush 49%, Kerry 45%. Bush's ass got kicked? I don't think so

The cheat sheet is because ... (Below threshold)
kerry lied:

The cheat sheet is because even the Great John kerry can not remember all the positions he has taken on Iraq

Obviously what he had was a... (Below threshold)
snide:

Obviously what he had was a mind control device. When activated, the only thing that poor George could remember were the phrases "hard work" and "mixed messages".

Kerry is elected, he's sitt... (Below threshold)

Kerry is elected, he's sitting down with his military advisers discussing the war in Iraq. They are going over this 150 page document that everyone was supposed to go over. Our military men, are of course military men so they are gung-ho about nuking the middle east and getting it over with. So they press him to do it. Now in the 150 page document it describes some operatives that are in Iraq that have discovered some important information that could bring the war to a close.

"What's your call Mister President?" the General asks?

With his jaw slightly opened, he looks up, then back at the General trying to give his 'strong face' "Nuke them."

A week later its discovered that had he read the document this could have been avoided and the millions of innocents could have been saved.

"I read the document, at least, I read it before I didn't read it. I mean I ment to say I read some of it. I was for the reading of the document before I was against it."

Has anyone looked at the en... (Below threshold)
Richard:

Has anyone looked at the end of the vide to see what Kerry does with this 'paper'? If he brought it in, he must have taken it out- yes?

Richard

‘Don’t commit Hairy Kerry; Vote Responsibly!’

I saw it - I even saw it ag... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

I saw it - I even saw it again today but no one still said anything about him taking those notes out of his pocket and now he's going after stem cell research. So now he's going to shut down the missle defense system, get in bed with the French, give nuclear fuel to Iran and make robots.

Dear God, how can he be tied with Bush in the polls?

~C

Good question Firstbrokenan... (Below threshold)
KerryIsATool:

Good question Firstbrokenangel. I've heard a lot of veterans scratching their heads wondering the same thing.

There are either a lot more lemmings out there than I thought or I'm missing something. I'm going with the former, how 'bout you?

The truth has way of coming out eventually. A wise person said that once, and it's true. Eventually, Kerry will be shown for what he is, in blazing, irrefutable color. I firmly believe this. (I'm hoping for asap on that...)

I suggest you all take a lo... (Below threshold)
KettleBlack:
the Kerry cheat sheet:... (Below threshold)

the Kerry cheat sheet:

Iraq war: for it, against it , for it , against it...... what ever Bush did is wrong and I'll do just the opposite!

some leadership....since 9-11 has Kerry lead the way on anything except criticism?

Kettleblack's first link: "... (Below threshold)

Kettleblack's first link: "Well-detailed cheat sheet?" Where? If it's so easy to tell they are "well-detailed," then what do they say? No. What we really see is a long shot of papers on Bush's podium. They could be anything. Then we are presented a couple of blocky zooms of the first image. They don't help one bit.

Second link: Blurry images and links to equally (if not moreso) blurry GIFs processed from the raw video. Go to Drudge. Find the link to the actual reverse-shot video. From the video, it's clear that Bush approaches the podium, picks up the pen and clicks it. The motion is unmistakable.

Nice try, Bush-bashers, but no cigar, medals or purple hearts. Your guy was caught cheating and now you are just desperately trying to draw attention away from it. Just admit that your candidate can't or won't follow even simple rules like "don't bring anything to the podium."

Has anyone <a href="http://... (Below threshold)
-S-:

Has anyone read this?! I'm wondering if the POST is now engaged in parody, because this article is preposterous:

"...the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . . . a black pen."

The article continues on to quote Kerry campaigners ranting about "the rightwing attack machine" and I then read TeresaHK ranting abouy Bush "allowing Osama Bin Laden to escape" and that many things Kerry said during the debate were outright lies, among other things...

IF KERRY took "a black pen" out of his coat jacket, HE STILL VIOLATED THE RULES, he still cheated. There's nothing in any grey area about that, as per the rules the two campaigns/candidates agreed to beforehand.

HOWEVER, IF that object Kerry removed from his suit coat was "a black pen," it WAS A HUGE BLACK PEN THAT REFLECTED A LOT OF WHITE/GREY COLOR. Musta' been Kerry's "magic pen." Yeah, THAT'S what it was, Kerry's magic pen.

Pretty sad when the grovelling, deplorable Democrats try to make something oogey out of "republicans...(reacting to/about)...Kerry's big hands."

I assure you: Kerry is representational of anything sexual or stimulating as is a pile of yucky, disgusting crud. I find the very person of John Kerry to be completely repugnant. Can't even lie well, but he sure has big hyands, I suppose we Republicans are ~supposed to be thinking~ if you read Liberal screed about us.

Very repulsive screed, at that.

Well, I for one am glad to ... (Below threshold)
Real Guy:

Well, I for one am glad to hear about this! I have been really concerned about a lot of domestic issues and the seeming futility of the deaths in Iraq.

I'm glad I found this non-partisan source for information.

I know who I'll vote for now.

It truly is amazing what so... (Below threshold)
Skin_of_Steel:

It truly is amazing what some people will buy. Go look at the tape again -- take a look at both Kerry and Bush at the time; they are BOTH pulling something out of their jackets. I know you all get off on the idea of such a fantastic mistake; but do you really think that anyone would be stupid enough to pull out a "cheat sheet" in front" of a host of cameras? It just goes to show how paranoid some people have become.

It truly is amazing what so... (Below threshold)
Skin_of_Steel:

It truly is amazing what some people will buy. Go look at the tape again -- take a look at both Kerry and Bush at the time; they are BOTH pulling something out of their jackets. I know you all get off on the idea of such a fantastic mistake; but do you really think that anyone would be stupid enough to pull out a "cheat sheet" in front" of a host of cameras? It just goes to show how paranoid some people have become.

I realize now that it wasn'... (Below threshold)
morph:

I realize now that it wasn't a big black pen that Kerry took from his pocket, but a big black *penis*.

No wonder Dubya was so rattled.

I am going to call all the major networks with this late breaking news immediately.

I urge all right thinking Americans to do the same.

I realize now that it wasn'... (Below threshold)
morph:

I realize now that it wasn't a big black pen that Kerry took from his pocket, but a big black *penis*.

No wonder Dubya was so rattled.

I am going to call all the major networks with this late breaking news immediately.

I urge all right thinking Americans to do the same.

Hey, morph, Wonkette's alre... (Below threshold)
-S-:

Hey, morph, Wonkette's already weighed in on the dimension concerns where Kerry is concerned and the announcement was that there was a "not so big" evaluation.

Take a closer look at that Hippy Parade from Berkeley (photos on many sites)...the tall guy walking in the second row of, um, naked "protestors," the really tall guy with the tiny business. You just can never tell because height and business isn't always correlated well.

Cheat you of knowing the fa... (Below threshold)
Bushworstpresident:

Cheat you of knowing the facts of my history but not releasing medical, military, wife's taxes, divorce/child support records, education records.

Cheat you of knowing my secret plans.

Cheat you of knowing my final answer for Iraq.

Cheat you of knowing if it was a bottle tan, spray tan or pill tan and if I had botox on face and underarms.

Cheat you of knowing just how far my head is stuck up Kennedy hero of Chappaquiddick's butt.

Cheat you of reading my first book "New Soldier".

Cheat you of knowing just how many times I went to Paris to meet with the enemy.

Cheat you off seeing my yacht Scaramouche.

Cheat you out of knowing I stole a guy's Cookie Business concept lock stock and barrell.

Cheat you of body armour and tanks in Iraq to make a "Protest Vote"

Oh the 100s of ways I cheat you.

And never get called on it.

So I cheat because I can, as Clinton so sweetly put it.

God katherine do you even know what you are talking about? You know whats worse the person who changes his mind about his position on iraq because it is not going well or the guy who would be willing to send every last woman, man and child jus to win his daddys war? Maybe even your kid, and for the rest of that stuff theres been hardly any proof.
preposterous:

"...the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . . . a black pen."

The article continues on to quote Kerry campaigners ranting about "the rightwing attack machine" and I then read TeresaHK ranting abouy Bush "allowing Osama Bin Laden to escape" and that many things Kerry said during the debate were outright lies, among other things...

IF KERRY took "a black pen" out of his coat jacket, HE STILL VIOLATED THE RULES, he still cheated. There's nothing in any grey area about that, as per the rules the two campaigns/candidates agreed to beforehand.

HOWEVER, IF that object Kerry removed from his suit coat was "a black pen," it WAS A HUGE BLACK PEN THAT REFLECTED A LOT OF WHITE/GREY COLOR. Musta' been Kerry's "magic pen." Yeah, THAT'S what it was, Kerry's magic pen.

Pretty sad when the grovelling, deplorable Democrats try to make something oogey out of "republicans...(reacting to/about)...Kerry's big hands."

I assure you: Kerry is representational of anything sexual or stimulating as is a pile of yucky, disgusting crud. I find the very person of John Kerry to be completely repugnant. Can't even lie well, but he sure has big hyands, I suppose we Republicans are ~supposed to be thinking~ if you read Liberal screed about us.

Very repulsive screed, at that.

Alright how dumb do you all realyl think you sound right now having an arguement over if john kerry pulled a peice of paper out of his jacket, there were papers on the podduem anyways who cares if they violated the rules either one they got their points across except bush was kinda busy getting terribly beat down, but anyways and the fact that you sit there and say all that stuff about john kerry and him being repugnant is pathetic look at bush damn, you could put him on a cereal box and hed look like the monkey off of coca crispies. Saying that kerry lied about like any of the issues is probably horse shit, ive heard very few things that have been proven bad abotu kerry where as george has been caught redhanded lieing to us. If you even say that he didnt lie about the iraqi war your definently a lieing bastard even the most uneducated person would knwo that. I would get to more posts but i cant handle the dumbshit you all put in them




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