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Kerry's Global Test - A New Wrinkle

From Wednesday's Washington Post:

Kerry's belief in working with allies runs so deep that he has maintained that the loss of American life can be better justified if it occurs in the course of a mission with international support. In 1994, discussing the possibility of U.S. troops being killed in Bosnia, he said, "If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."
Senator John Kerry thinks America is not worth dying for unless it's in the cause of a United Nations sanctioned effort. That eliminates every war America has ever fought, save two. From The New Republic:
The Security Council has authorized only three wars in its history: the Korean War (while the Soviet Union was boycotting the Council), a 1960s intervention in Congo, and the first Gulf war. That there have been numerous wars since 1945 would suggest that the U.N. Charter has been violated repeatedly. But while one could argue that all those wars were technically illegal, most legal experts concede the legitimacy of customary, not just statutory, law--meaning widely accepted actual practices can, over time, become as legitimate as written rules.
Funny how he hasn't passed this message on to our troops serving in Iraq or Afghanistan or their relatives...


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Comments (20)

Kerry is not really a flip ... (Below threshold)
Jim Hines:

Kerry is not really a flip flopper at all. He is the same guy he was in the 70's when while running for congress based on his 4 months in Vietnam he told the Harvard Crimson Im an internationalist, Kerry told The Crimson in 1970. Id like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.

The VIDEO from the show the WaPo takes it's quote from should be the torpedo that sinks his boat. It's Kerry in his own words, caught on camera in 1994, stating in no uncertain terms that the UN should be the deciding factor as to the deployment of our troops.

John Kerry is the best argument in favor of the John Birch Society's conspiracy theories.

I note that while Dubya say... (Below threshold)
Mike Knight:

I note that while Dubya says "nuculer", the ever effete John Kerry says "unequivocably".

There's only one country to... (Below threshold)

There's only one country to ever ask for UN approval before sending in the troops.

The US.

And we've done it 3 times.

Fuck France.

After listening to Kerry, E... (Below threshold)
Vulgorilla:

After listening to Kerry, Edwards, and the MSM, I'm reminded that we, as a nation, made a very big mistake in not taking Senator McCarthy's message more seriously back in the 1950's & 60's. My best advice is that of Cromwell, to his troops just prior to a battle. "Put your trust in God, and keep your powder dry".

Placing the fate of our nat... (Below threshold)
Debra:

Placing the fate of our nation in the hands of the UN just plain scares the crap out of me. I can't even begin to comprehend how anyone could believe this man could lead our country effectively and protect us from future attacks on domestic soil with a more sensitive approach to the war on terror.
What the hell kind of BS is that anyway?
Screw the UN...they serve no viable purpose in my humble opinion.

"If you mean dying in t... (Below threshold)

"If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."

I must confess that I am a bit confused by Kerry's sound bite. By that logic, was the loss of American life justified in the Gulf War?

If "yes", then how come Kerry didn't vote to support that United Nations effort?

If "no", then what exactly about that particular situation did Kerry find to be unjustifiable?

Whatever answer you eventually arrive at, it's clear that Kerry's brand of incoherent pacifism will be an unmitigated disaster for the United States.

OOPS! What about the lack ... (Below threshold)
LJD:

OOPS! What about the lack of support from the U.N. in the Balkans? Didn't we end up acting without "passing their test"?

Didn't Kerry also vote against Desert Storm, where we DID have the backing of the U.N. ?

If you flip-flop enough times in succession, eventually something you said earlier will be true.

There is no question as to why a majority of our troops cannot support Kerry.

Here's a traitor who wishes... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Here's a traitor who wishes to turn over our national security to a bunch of despots and thugs who've recently been exposed at thieves. Also, National Review's John Miller has a new book out that exposes the myth that France has ever been an ally of the United States. For instance, during WW2, soldiers of the Vichy government routinely fired at American troops. During the Civil War, the French in Mexico attempted to help the confederacy because they wished to dilute growing American power. There are many other examples in his book.
Now you know why Liberals love the French: because they both share a deep hatred of America.

On a total tangent:<p... (Below threshold)

On a total tangent:

Who was it who said "Your job isn't to die for your country; it's to make the other poor bastard die for HIS country"?

--|PW|--

As mentioned above, how can... (Below threshold)
Mike:

As mentioned above, how can Kerry explain his stated position here and then justify his votes for the 2 different wars in Iraq.

He voted against the Gulf War which had UN approval and an acceptable coalition according to his standards. But then he voted for the war in Iraq in which there was no UN approval and according to the democrats no coalition.

Someone needs to ask him or one of his spokesmen about this, it would be interesting to read the explanation.

Pennywit: PATTON!... (Below threshold)
julie:

Pennywit: PATTON!

Sounds perfectly reasonably... (Below threshold)

Sounds perfectly reasonably to me. We all live on the same damn planet. America can't just do whatever the fuck it wants without consequences. Why shouldn't we have the rest of the world think we are doing good and not harm? Do you really not think the rest of the world should have any damn opinion on the matter? America doesn't fucking exist in a vacuum. To he who said "Fuck France", no the truth is "Fuck You". If it weren't for the French we wouldn't have a country. They've been involved in world politics much longer than we have, and unlike America, most of Europe tends to have a much better sense of History and pays attention to more than just the last several decades.

The Cold War is over and Imperialism died in the 19th Century, you conservatives must have just missed the damn memo.

It is true that if it weren... (Below threshold)

It is true that if it weren't for France, we wouldn't exist. However, France only did it because King Louis (I forget which # he was) hated Great Britain more than he cared what would happen to us in the future. He didn't even think that we might eventually become the biggest and baddest nation on the block. Back then it was a contest between the big European powers (Great Britain, France, Spain-although at the time, Spains power was diminishing). Besides, the France back then sure as hell isn't the France now. Note that the French revolution took place right after ours (most likely spawned as an offshoot of ours, sort of like the domino theory, only with "democracy". Maybe they are still holding a grudge against us for not unilaterally supporting their revolution (even though their revolution was a lot more bloody and hatred-filled than ours was).

Exactly Henry, France did c... (Below threshold)
Wilky:

Exactly Henry, France did come to our aid, but their driving force had nothing to do with what or who we were but rather keeping the most powerful in check. This is still the case today, they even state this. Its as if they know they can't become a superower so they try to dilute the superpowers strength, they are kinda like lap dogs always nipping at you heels.

And a question Worldmaker, if Europe (think old Europe) has such a deep sense of history, you'd also think that they might have a slight sense of gratitude for bailing them out, twice, wouldn't they? If I remember we really didn't ask for anything, in fact we helped them rebuild. And yet, to them, we are the problem in the world. Go figure.

imperialism ( P ) P... (Below threshold)
Rocketman:

imperialism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pr--lzm)
n.
The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.
The system, policies, or practices of such a government.

Japan-did not happen
Germany Twice-did not happen
France-did not happen (saved ass, and still hate us)
Kuwait-did not happen
Korea-did not happen
Vietnam-did not happen

You libs need to stop using that word.

to add to Wilky....<... (Below threshold)
Debra:

to add to Wilky....
If I remember we really didn't ask for anything, in fact we helped them rebuild. And yet, to them, we are the problem in the world. Go figure

How much debt has the US forgiven France over the years? We, a nation that HELPED them rebuild spending billions to only forgive it in the end!!

France has done nothing but spit in the face of Amercians. Let's not foget the latest faux-paux's with the recent findings that France supported terrorism under the table...
As for you Worldmaker....I think it's safe to say that I can speak for the Opinionated Bastard when I say HELL NO!!
"Fuck you!" Wait....Fuck you not once but twice!!!

Julie -- thank you.<p... (Below threshold)

Julie -- thank you.

--|PW|--

If we waited for the united... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

If we waited for the united nations, we'd be hit and hit already and more overseas. The man is tantamount to ineptitude. The UN on the other hand should be bulldozed to the nearest river.
~Cindy

Again, what exactly is a GL... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

Again, what exactly is a GLOBAL TEST??

I think the UN has already passed every test imaginable and it's who the rest of the world looks to for help - irregardless of the type of help and we always go to their aid just like we're going to Darfur - did you know the UN called on us to go there - not them, but us, not NATO but us; they called specifically for us to go there and we are headed there if not already there now. The UN is totally useless. Why spend any more money paying these guys for a job they never do????
~Cindy

I'm not sure if Patton hims... (Below threshold)

I'm not sure if Patton himself said it, but it was in the movie.




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