Drudge just said what it was on his radio show. We've been had - this is a non story.

Think you could inform the rest of us what he said there chief?

Kerry lied about meeting with UN officals before the war in Iraq. That's that story. Big freaken do. In other news John Kerry lied about getting a tan....

Stupid.

Daily Kos has most of it up already. He released it a little while ago: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/24/21359/463

He thinks it is a non-story as well, but I don't think there would be anything that would make him not say it was a non-story. I lean towards agreeing with Kos and Derek on this one though. Kos even believes Kerry didn't even lie about it.

Anyway, I think the missing explosives is a far bigger story.

Is anyone surprised when any politician lies about anything like this anymore? I'm certainly not anymore. This'll get swept up the same way that Cheney not meeting Edwards before eventually did.

I'm glad some paper staked their claim on this one that it was that huge.

You know if the MSM bother to check the stroies Kerry tells I think around 75% of em would be found to be false....

Derek

Whoa, don't ever freaken say I agree Kos. Kos thinks Kerry walks on water and farts perfume. I just think he lies every other word and never gets called on it. It's not really news to me.

Kerry lies:
1. Seared into is mind being in Cambodia (Need a paddle Big K?)
2. The cesefire signing for Gulf War 1 (He was not in the area till weeks later).
3. Used taning cream and claimed it was a sun burn.
4. Claims to play and/or know team sports when it's clear he only does solo sports.
5. Claims to have a plan.... for everything!
6. ect....

Derek

7 Claimed he ran the Boston Marathon - twice

This is an old story. It is a big deal but no one is going to think it is and it will not harm Kerry or help Bush.

The guy collaborated with the enemy during the Vietnam war while still an enlisted Naval officer. If that doesn't disqualify him from being president than I don't know what would.

We pretty much knew that was a lie when he said it.

It doesn't strike me as a story that's going to push a bunch of undecideds over the edge - if they're still in doubt about whether they can believe anything Kerry says, they've not been paying attention for too long (and too well) for this tidbit to sink in.

Good Lord people got pumped this weekend. I must have heard 8,000 different theories about what Rove was doing with this story - calling it the October surprise and what not.

Hardly. It is a good story, shows a pattern of kerry lies about the central theme of his campaign - honesty with allies, that he repeated in the debate, etc.

I can say this, too - if, as Kos is reporting, Kerry is sticking to this "i met with all of them line" - then this story will keep them occupied for longer than it should.

Can we, as center-right conservative bloggers all agree to never pull such a Josh Marshall-esque "big story coming" hype again?

I'm seriously underwhelmed...

Geez....

He is guilty of Gore-itis. He has talked to everyone. Been everywhere. Done everything. He is the creator. The alpha and omega blah blah blah. Too bad Gore already claimed the internet and Love Story. Kerry can still claim to have been a ghost writer on Apocalypse Now and maybe claim to have invented Nerf.

Based on the way he handled that soccer ball a couple days ago, he might have invented nerf to save himself from those awful photo ops.

Add me to the carnival of the underwhelmed.

This is not a non-story -- it's part of the larger story that Kerry makes things up as he goes.

The last time we ignored or excused a candidate's pattern of deceit, we ended up with an 8-year national embarrassment called the Clinton administration.

As I've posted and TB'd, I'm with Mike on this. I'm not thinking in terms of driving some voter number. But in the context of a candidates negatives, the need for momentum the final week of a campaign, his accusations of Bush "lied," etc. - this can absolutely contribute to a Kerry loss.

Political junkies are jaded. We see and hear the lies all the time. People just tuning in this week may feel that way, but a stark reminder like this in the last week is in no way a positive, or total non-event for Kerry.

I think it's a big story that won't get legs. We already know that the MSM are in the tank for Kerry. I disagree with many comments here. The fact that a US Senator would lie about meetings with the UN Security Council is a biggie. But I do agree with other comments: the MSM will play it down same as they've played down everything negative about Kerry. BTW, I wrote to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) about why they gave Kerry a pass on killing an innocent animal in order to garner votes. So far no comment from PETA. I guess they only worry about GOP conservatives killing animals.

Daily Kos HAS to call it "a non story," because, otherwise, they and Liberals everywhere have to actually discuss Kerry as a psychotic liar.

He lies at the drop of a hat (pun intended). He lies about lying. He lies when he can spin a yarn that he thinks will spin the tale to spin the bottle to spin the bombastic story that is John Kerry in the mind of John Kerry: something he isn't.

When I read the specifics about the Boston Marathon thing -- that was AFTER all the information about other, far larger lies promoted by Kerry about Kerry (Cambodia and "honorable discharge" come to mind) -- I could barely believe the page, what I was reading.

Michelle Malkin pinned this to a point of exactness and that is, the ludicrous story spun by John Kerry about him as having "run in the Boston Marathon" (Kerry could not remember the date, his time, any details).

I'll write this again and again: if someone is proven to be lying about one thing, it can be assumed that they are lying about everything -- meaning, they establish that they are not credible, when identified as lying about something, can be rightfully assumed to be either lying or likely to lie about everything. Whatever suits the purpose, lie inorder to do so, is Kerry's modus operandi.

The entire issue about Kerry's criminal psychology (he lies, remember?) is that if you start discussing one lie, you'll have to then follow through with the reality that Kerry demonstrates unreliable character. So, KOS isn't likely to even begin to encourage that discussion...thus, to KOS, it's "a non story." It HAS to be "a non-story," otherwise, it's a discussion.

Facing down Kerry's terrible character isn't something that can be afforded for anyone now committed to supporting the deceit. Once you start with one lie, you have to compound it with others inorder to support the first lie...then you have lie, another lie, bigger lie, smaller but ongoing lie, more lies, another one, here, there, then this, then that, then flip, then flop, then flipflop, floppityflip...then you have the character that is John Kerry and...

The actual story here is John Kerry's troubled psychology. He's a man of wealth and has a Senate seat, so he's accustomed to not having most anyone, if anyone at all, "question" whatever he says about whatever, including himself. Socially, professionally, he's been able to construct with lies over time and get away with it ...all those little people don't want to lose their jobs, after all, so just look away, pretend you didn't hear it, don't ask questions, don't make waves...so goes the support system for people like Kerry and for Kerry himself, who can and does lie about whatever he feels he needs to inorder to both get what he wants and maintain what he's already lied about.

Which also explains his problems with sleep, his flare without notice in "getting" people, the need for revenge, why he has to have people carry his luggage for him, his goose...the guy's one of those two-dimensional crooks, all dressed up with stories from the past.

Yes, it is "a story" and ought to be discussed but I don't see Kerry supporters even beginning to do so. Instead, they blame everyone else, instead of looking at the real reason they are led astray.

REV. JORDAN AT CINCINNATI AME: "We are asking you to support him. I'm not worried about a 501 (c) (3) doctrine. We are asking you to support him."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/NotedNow/story?id=156246

Internal Revenue Code section 501(c)(3) organizations (including churches) are "absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office." (IRS Pub.1828)

As it did in 1992, 1996 and 2000, the IRS issued an election year advisory this past April reminding 501(c)(3) organizations of this prohibition. In its recent advisory letter, the IRS referenced a case, Branch Ministries vs. Rossotti. 211 F.3d 137 (D.C. Cir. 2000). In this case an appeals court upheld the revocation of a church's tax-exempt status because the church engaged in political activities. Just prior to the 1992 presidential election, the church published newspaper ads titled "Christians Beware" and asserted that then-Governor Clinton's positions on abortion, homosexuality, and the distribution of condoms to teenagers in schools violated Christian teaching. The court found that the church's political activity violated the Internal Revenue Code's prohibition on intervening in political campaigns.

Gee wiz...after the hype one would think they had a few DUI's or naked pictures...this is a joke.

Hey guys. Mr. Kerry uttered this fib in the debate when all the undecideds were watching. The MSM said that Mr. Kerry won that debate. (I disagree.)

I note that in a debate one can generally score more points if one is not bound to tie his sophistries to the truth.

About the media, also, just look at all those monies that they receive by one means or another through TH-K and Soros "philanthropy" (I don't believe it represents actual philanthropy, but an investment, a means to purchase a result).

It wouldn't be such an influence if these and the handful of other millionaire/billionaire sources did not represent such a concentrated incentive, but the influence is monstrous and we now see what a paid media can do when they are paid well enough to do what is asked, desired. They can toss in here and there the moderate question now and then, but that seems to be done only after there's a point made to them that they are not being reasonable, or even accurate in most cases.

But, the standard seems to be that the media (Mainstream Media) has been hooked by a far left influence in our world, and they are not capable of wiggling off the line at this point, so, thus, we have fried fare all the time.

i think this will be a story ,question is will it have legs or not ???

remember ,there are still alot of votes that are undecided (4%) and this story will affect some of those fence sitters ,the way i see it is that even if this changes a few hundred votes it helps !!!

fox will push this story and hopefully some of the other news outlets will pick it up

I just saw the article.

While it starts with the UN meeting as the basis for the article... the real message is Kerry is not truthful on just about every front. This from a man that proclaims that truthfulness is what would be the hallmark of his presidency and he is constantly stating that President Bush is not being truthful.

The real message of this article is the absolute crass hypocrisy and pathological lying of John Kerry. For me, this is not new news... but, I'm not sure about others just tuning in to the election.

Consider the truths that haven't stuck so far.

This is nothing. I can't believe it got hyped. Excuse me, I need a shower now.

To paraphrase Zell Miller, this is a big bowl of mush...bleh

Isn't the lie that Bush told at the debate about " I didn't say I wasn't worreid about BinLadin" a bigger story that never got legs?
Just another one of those...Exaggerations?

The STORY is, also, WHY did Kerry create and use this lie, this particular lie? What's the incentive, why did he lie as he did about this specific issue?

Carter also said, when campaigning in 1976, "I will never tell a lie to the American people." As president he then told lies, but few people remember any of them. His "killer rabbit" whopper was remembered only because it was so vivid and ridiculous.

Unless Kerry claims to have met with Osama, his lies will not be regarded as "news".

Well some, like Kos don't think it is a lie at all. My guess is it is an exaggeration. He met with some, not all, and he said all for some stupid reason.

I agree that Bush flat out lying to the American public about not having said he wasn't worried about Bin Laden is a far bigger sin. It definitely isn't worse than that.

Geez...I'm wondering now if he lied about meeting with Madame Bihn?????????????

This guy is wierd. He lies about crap that is easily verifiable. He doesn't even really stand to gain much by lying about it. No wonder his dying mother felt the need to remind him to have integrity.

Additionally ...Clinton is probably going to suck all the oxygen out of the news cycle. The MSM will slobber all over him tomorrow.

Kerry's biggest lie of all...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041024/news_mz1e24shilli.html

Kerry lied. It matters. The man is mentally ill. He continues to stroke his own ego by using such transparently phony techniques as name-dropping and wild exaggeration of his own importance. When he made the speech on the senate floor prior to the vote in 2002 he stated with great conviction that he had met privately with members of the U.N. Security Council just one week earlier in New York. He has made variations of that claim up to and including a lengthy (several hour meeting) with the entire security council the week before the vote.

There is no reason for John Kerry to make such a statement other than to embellish his record and make himself look bolder and more involved than he actually was. The man embellished his after-action reports in Viet Nam. He lied to receive medals. He is lying now to try to make himself look good and the President look bad.

He is dangerous. He is delusional. He is a pathological liar. It is a sign of a very serious mental illness. The world had better get a handle on this jerk. He is a deranged person and should not, no make that, must not ascend to the highest office in the land.

This is not a small matter. It is huge.

I was really hoping it would be the MSM catching on to the fact that Kerry took 1/2 million dollars so far from an Iranian fundraiser with regiem ties as testified to in court this week in the lawsuit with the Students Union. That at least has a little umph.

And therein lies the question: WHAT EXACTLY is in Kerry's records that he continues to refuse to sign the form 180? WHY WAS he discharged from the Navy six years after his obligation ended?

I STILL smell a rat and it smells like Eagleton....

Man... look around the world and see what's happening. We have countless untruths put forward by this administration leading to death and destruction and MORE terrorism and terrorists. We have person after person coming out of this administration and telling the world how backwards it is. And this is what you're talking about?

The things you believe and the things you believe are important astound me. I just don't get it.

-JP

I think that the "JP"s and such on this thread are great proof that Kerry's lies and the Kerry delusions are "working." It's a sad day for America, and for the world, that they are.

JP just promotes the rehash of "Bush lied" and the "countless lies by this Administration" and ignores the elephant in the room: Kerry as a psycho, delusional mind, with undisclosed animosities and peers against the United States. I describe them as "undisclosed" because this voter does believe that Kerry is the harbinger and representative of very awful intentions, and that we haven't even begun to know what he has in mind to implement if he's in the White House.

But, about "this Adminsitration," other than being able to parrot Kerry's comments to that regard (that "this Adminsitration has lied..." and similar), WHAT are the "lies" that the Bush "Administration" has proliferated?

No one can describe anything specifically, other than to return to the edge-worn "WMD" point: which has been more than well evidenced as to the presence of the capability of possessing WMD by Saddam Hussein, and of the involvement/intanglements of terrorist networks to and through Iraq under Hussein's guidance.

But, still, the Democrats can't specify any "lies" by "this Administration" nor can Kerry. Instead, we have proven time and again that KERRY HAS LIED AND CONTINUES TO DO SO about so many aspects about his person, his activities, his plans, his finances, for Heaven's sake, even his voting record in the Senate, his measely murdering (he shot a fleeing teenager in the back in Vietnam, and that's something that should repel even the most hardened anarchist)...what ELSE has and is Kerry lying about?

Democrats instead attempt to retort to this significant issue about Kerry's character with the "Bush lied" thing, but they cannot specify any "lie" beyond that. Nor can Kerry. Nor will Kerry be able to do.

But, it's been proven time and again that Kerry has misrepresented himself and his behavior over his entire lifetime. And yet, Democrats just gloss over those glaring truths, and beat the dead horse again and again about "WMD."

Terrorist networks equals terrorism. Terrorism is, in fact, a "WMD" when you think about it. But that's just for starters...

Actually, it's not so much the fact that Kerry lied, or even Bush lied that is the issue. The issue is that Kerry has not signed his Form 180, released his SAT scores, nor I believe his medical records.

I think the reason for the feelings of being underwhelmed is because there are so many bigger targets on Kerry and the 'killer story' is about Kerry lying which a) People already know Kerry is a liar on a number of issues and b) People expect a certain streatching of the truth in politicians, but for Kerry, that degree is stretched a little more.

Come on, Kerry's new Euthanasia plan for those over 70 would have made much bigger and better headlines.

Nomorelies is right, this just shows how pathological Kerry is, but this story is not going to have legs. Christopher Cross is right too, let's not hype when we don't know what we're hyping. I think Red State blew it.

The real story here is who Kerry met with........FRANCE.

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Honk if you brake for braggarts

That John Kerry lied or even that he lies constantly is a non-story. That he uses his "would have built a coalition" and didn't meet with them is only slightly more of a story. That he claims to have met with them and didn't come out publicly and condemn the war he voted FOR is the story. Let him keep his lie, ask him why he didn't try stop the war by appearing on TV and telling us what he learned at the meetings and the reasons we shouldn't have gone or get him to turn on his supposed allies and say that he didn't come out against it because he had their approval. That's a story....

This is just icing on the insult cake that Kerry has baked, to everyone else and to everyone else's concept of character and ethics.

I was just reading, now that the polls are proving that American voters care about a candidate's religious faith, Kerry is NOW touting himself as a Christian, emphasizing his "Catholic" "faith" and quoting Biblical passages, etc.

This is just more of the insult to people of faith, that Kerry continues to say he's "a person of faith" and yet he can't and doesn't accept the principles of the Catholic Church. Figure that one out if you can because millions of us Catholics cannot.

But, what I do get from Kerry is that he's just downright bad. He's just a bad person. He can't be straight or clear or honest or actual because he isn't any of those things, so he continues to say whatever he thinks will get him "approval."

Anyone can quote scripture, sit in a church, hold up a bible and threaten other people with it, but, it's a shame that people of faith have to listen to someone who declares himself so opposed to faith principles to exemplify those principles. I do get the impression that Kerry does these theatricals because he knows it insults people who see through him. So he goes the bully route and touts and taunts those who confront his deceits. Again, I agree with Lynn Cheney: "this is not a good man."

Whether this turns out to be a big deal or a ho-hum depends entirely on the reaction of conservative columnists, Fox News, talk radio and the Blogosphere. If all of these jump on and hammer it will be a very Big Deal.
It's the beginning of the last full week of campaigning. If this story sinks, it will have no effect. If, OTH, we jump in with modems blazing then the Kerry Kampaign will be wrestling with this story rather than playing their own game.
If they can be forced out of their game plan for even a day, it's golden. Two or three days, it's huge piles of gold.
To know how important this is, look at the Left. They're having to explain why it's not a big deal that their guy is a lying sack of sh, um, fertilyzer.
Anyone thinking that that, in the last week of the campaign, isn't big, well, they've never worked inside a campaign.

Gee, if Kerry is elected, maybe he'll go to Iraq and smooth things out with Zarqawi. I'm sure Zarqawi would send us a film to prove he was there!

Easy to win debates when you make things up. Do we go back an rescore it now a Bush Victory? It's much easier to understand all the faces Bush made in the debate. He must be saying in his head, "What the.......?"

Hugh McBryde

BTW, Germany was NOT on the security council at that time