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Greg Palast Is A Moron

Here's the beginning of his article at TomPaine.com and Truthout...

Kerry won. Here's the facts.

I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more hung chad. But I don't have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called American democracy, it's my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.

Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. CNN's exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.

So what's going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, "Who did you vote for?" Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial, question, "Was your vote counted?" The voters don't know.

Ah the old "more people intended to vote for Al Gore" mantra... [Note to Greg, they did count all the votes in 2000 (after the fact) and Bush won - again.]

You should continue and read the whole article because that is how John Edwards wanted to play Ohio. Sorry Greg (and John), exit polls are not votes; ergo the rest of your argument about Ohio is bullshit...

In the "reality based" world that all the lefty bloggers have been so fond of talking about for the last month votes are reality and polls are faith. The people who place faith in polls are invariably the people who the poll says are ahead. It's tragically funny to think that someone would make a case that Kerry won Ohio because flawed exit polls had him ahead.

If exit polls were votes your boy might have won, but they're not.

Hat Tip: Young Pundits


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A moron? Kevin, you're bein... (Below threshold)
Jim:

A moron? Kevin, you're being kind to Greg Palast. I guess you're a compassionate conservative. Me? I'm part of the vast right-wing conspiracy and I think Palast is too stupid to live. LOL.

Greg forgets that conservat... (Below threshold)
Bullwinkle:

Greg forgets that conservatives brush off questions from pollsters at a very high rate when leaving the polls. It's a private matter. Exit polls are not accurate for that reason alone, liberals want to brag, conservatives tell them it's none of their business. It's that way here in Texas anyway.

I though we all knew that... (Below threshold)
YapYapYap:

I though we all knew that poll respondants are mostly yapping busy body demoscat soccar moms with too much time on their hands?

- The exit pollsters themse... (Below threshold)

- The exit pollsters themselves have admited to the fowlup citing the fem-male ratio's were obviously flawed. In fact insiders think that somehow the DNC was tipped as to where the polling was taking place and flooded those sites with Kerry supporters to skew the polls intentionally. But of course Greg knows better than the poll takers....give it a rest wookies....

Gads, what a mouth-breathin... (Below threshold)
BoogyMan:

Gads, what a mouth-breathing, knuckledragging, troglodite, meathead. He is peeing on his own shoes and trying to tell himself its raining.

Why do the exit pollers alw... (Below threshold)
BorgQueen:

Why do the exit pollers always assume that the voters they're asking are telling the truth?

One more comment, do you th... (Below threshold)
BoogyMan:

One more comment, do you think this guy knows where the aliens from Roswell are being kept?

Exit polls as a way of dete... (Below threshold)
Bill:

Exit polls as a way of determining a winner instead of actual voting? Moron is being kind. One would have to be a total idiot to believe an exit poll that said Kerry, North East Liberal, could win SC by 3.

JFK: "I'm John Kerry, and I... (Below threshold)
Kevin:

JFK: "I'm John Kerry, and I'm reporting for duty!"

USA: "At ease. You're dismissed."


(seen at sonofnixon blog, and too funny not to steal)

"Unfortunately, they don't ... (Below threshold)
Chrees:

"Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial, question."

You may have pissed in the urinal, but did you flush?

I can't tell you how many p... (Below threshold)
Omni:

I can't tell you how many people I argued with before the election over the validity of all those worthless polls; you can believe that I'm busily rubbing all their noses in it now, lol.

Greg Palast, meet John Zogb... (Below threshold)

Greg Palast, meet John Zogby. You guys go have a beer and talk it over. And cry. See you next election.

Ever notice the more compli... (Below threshold)
JAB:

Ever notice the more complicated a conspiracy therory gets, the more unlikely it has validity?

Ever notice how these theories always start out with assumptions, not facts?

Ever notice how they always go nowhere?

I'm mad at you. I was goin... (Below threshold)

I'm mad at you. I was going to post this yesterday, but I was so tired from not sleeping most of the week that I just went to bed. Now you've posted it before me. I'm shaking my fist at you.

I am beginning to think tha... (Below threshold)
tongancat:

I am beginning to think that the past four years have really warped the LLL and MSM brains. They may need heavy duty therapy to get over the fact that:
a)most people hold traditional values
b)liberal viewpoints are a luxury we can't afford when faced with a vicious enemy
c)the Vietnam era and its accompanying psyche is now over and we are awakening from that bad dream of liberalism

As far as the votes from th... (Below threshold)
Rance:

As far as the votes from the spoiled ballots go, I say BFD.
That being said, one would think that after what happened in Florida, election officials would be doing a little more CYA activity.

My county still votes with punch cards. But after 2000, they bought machines to check the ballots for over-vote and under-vote. It's not all that hard to do, and it keeps the "mouth-breathing, knuckledragging, troglodite, meatheads" quiet.

I find this insistance on ... (Below threshold)
WendiSue:

I find this insistance on Ohio being the new Florida really confusing.

From where I'm sitting, the President won more than the needed 270 electoral votes even without Ohio.

I watched the election on the news, and something really bothered me about how they called the states (naturally). Early on it was obvious that the President had won Nevada, which put him over 270 electoral votes. Without Ohio, Nevada, New Mexico, and Iowa, the President had 269 electoral votes, the Senator only 252. As soon as the President won Nevada, he had more than the 270 needed to win. With New Mexico and Nevada, which he had clearly won even thought the press wouldn't call it for him, the President didn't need Ohio.

The truth is the President won the electoral votes he needed with or without Ohio, and if the media had called his states for him with the same alacrity they called Kerry's states for him, it would have been obvious who the next president was by midnight. It's also clear by now that the President won Iowa, too, but I don't expect to see that admitted anywhere in the Mainstream Media.

So... what's the point? Clearly the President won Ohio and trusting exit polls over actual votes is idiotic. But also clearly, Kerry still wouldn't be President with Ohio, because President Bush has well over 270 EV even without Ohio. Right?

Early voting screwed up the... (Below threshold)
DrSteve:

Early voting screwed up the exit polls, I suspect, primarily because of the motivation gap between BC and KE voters. I'm not aware that any 11/2 exit poll data corrected for early voting. Am I wrong?

I assumed this would be a problem, but I'll admit I was concerned Tuesday as I didn't know how big a sampling bias the failure to adjust would produce. The 60-40 PA numbers freaked me a little, but I'd had a thorough defreaking by the time the polls closed.

The shock is starting to we... (Below threshold)
Tim in PA:

The shock is starting to wear off, so here comes the conspiracy theories. Looks like too many of the Dems are in no way interested in rebuilding their party; instead, we will have 4 more years of shrieking moonbats. Hopefully some of the saner lefties can grab the helm of the Democrat party and toss out the nutters.

I find it hilarious that le... (Below threshold)

I find it hilarious that left-wing nutcases who insist on spreading ludicrous conspiracy theories like to pretend that they are "reality based." When I first saw "member of the reality based community" on a left-wing website I thought it was a joke. It is, and it's even funnier because they just don't get it.

pdagger - Maybe th... (Below threshold)
realityBased:

pdagger -

Maybe they choose their label "Reality Based" in opposition to "Faith Based".

"Faith Based" as in those who live their lives based on the 5000+ year old oral history of a nomadic desert tribe, who according to their own stories wandered around lost for 40 years.

You gimp, these people brin... (Below threshold)
Kate:

You gimp, these people bring out the worst in me, I hope a terrorist cuts you up

If the red state voter is t... (Below threshold)
Bean:

If the red state voter is the ignorant and uneducated idiot... how is it that we can manage to vote correctly for our candidate, while the educated blue stater can't get it right?

Someone tell Greg Palast th... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Someone tell Greg Palast that Iowa just called their state for Bush.

Tim, why would we want the ... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Tim, why would we want the Dems to toss out the moonbats? They help us.

I heard michael moore ate a... (Below threshold)
moseby:

I heard michael moore ate all of the provisional ballots in Ohio right before Princess Leia killed him with the chain.....

The moron is on Michael Med... (Below threshold)
julie:

The moron is on Michael Medved as I type.

"Maybe they choose their... (Below threshold)
John "Akatsukami" Braue:

"Maybe they choose their label "Reality Based" in opposition to "Faith Based".

"Faith Based" as in those who live their lives based on the 5000+ year old oral history of a nomadic desert tribe, who according to their own stories wandered around lost for 40 years."

Who, 5,000 years later, are still with us, and whose ideas are still influential.

It would be interesting to see if Greg Palast's and Eric Alterman's names, let alone their ideas, are a hundredth so well-remembered in 7,000 CE, or if they have long since been consigned to cracked and dusty storage media that the most brilliant and determined technicians and scholars can't find or read...even if they know, or care, that such exist.

The label "reality-based co... (Below threshold)
John Kinsherf:

The label "reality-based community" comes from a senior advisor to President Bush quoted in a New York Times article by Ron Suskind. Here is a bit of the article:

"The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernable reality.' I nodded and murmered something about enlightenment principles and empiricism.He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world works anymore, we're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality.'"

This is interesting because a recent survey by the Program on International Policy Attitudes found that nearly 70 percent of President Bush's supporters believe the U.S. has come up with "clear evidence" that Saddam Hussein was working closely with Al Qaeda. A third of his supporters believe weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. And more than a third believe that a substantial majority of the world opinion supported the U.S. invasion. These things are demonstrably untrue, yet a huge number of these people believe it.

I am not so concerned with the exit poll snafu, but it will be interesting to see what the FBI and the GAO make of the alleged evidence of computer hacking involved in this election and the 2002 election in FL.




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