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The Hot Sound of Hate

Newsweek reports that angry white power music is on the upsurge. As rap, politics, and basketball have all very recently demonstrated, hate sells. The difference in this case is that society, while society rightly condemns the racist and homophobic music these folks produce, it is much more reticent to call out prejudices against white, middle-class families.

As one devote of the white power music observed, "You can be black and racist and have an illustrious career. If you're white and racist, you might end up going to jail."

The problem is, two wrongs do not make a right...


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This double standard is so ... (Below threshold)

This double standard is so prevalent we are blind to most of it. There is a Congressional Black Caucus; can you imagine the furor were someone to organize a Congressional White Caucus? A White Bar Association? And so on.

My point is not that we should have white-only institutions, but rather the opposite: there should be NO race-based institutions in America. They are are racist by definition. The NAACP is no better in principle than the KKK. Equality is the only agenda that should be advanced.

Thank you, Tall Dave, for s... (Below threshold)
Margo:

Thank you, Tall Dave, for saying something that I've felt for years. Just as there is no "White Entertainment Television", no "Ivory" magazine, and no White Caucus, there should be no race-based institutions in the United States. It does nothing but further the US versus THEM mentality. How can I teach my kids that people should be judged by their character, not by the color of their skin; yet we have so many groups marking huge lines in the sand.

This has always bothered me...

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, be it black or white.

A mind is a terrible thi... (Below threshold)
PaulD:

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, be it black or white.

or grey...

j/k. I agree. A person is a person.

The *only* positive thing t... (Below threshold)
Mike:

The *only* positive thing that I can see coming from this kind of story is the slim chance that Newsweek or another news outlet might focus on some of the racist garbage that passes itself off as "gangsta rap" targeted at primarily black audiences.

I have long been amazed that this kind of blatant "kill Whitey" racism has been included in records by rappers like Ice T, Ice Cube, and Dr. Dre that were released by major record labels (Time-Warner, EMI, Epic, etc.) and ended up as Grammy nominees and winners.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and in a more perfect world both the gangstas and neo-Nazis would be shut down.

There was a "National Assoc... (Below threshold)

There was a "National Association for the Advancement of White People" -- started by David Duke. In my opinion that should have made all racially oriented organizations, of all stripes, shut down in self-disgust.

To paraphrase Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday in "Tombstone," it seems a lot of people's hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Why would anyone assume tha... (Below threshold)
JordanS:

Why would anyone assume that musicians and the music that they make which relegates women to second class citizens would suddenly be concerned that some might also deem them as racist? The industry has been peddling racism and sexism for so long, that they are blinded to the detriment they cause in youths and communities.

No excuses should be made for hate music of any type, but we already know if it appeals to someone, it will make money, and if it makes money, someone will find a way to keep it out there.

Out of curiosity... by whom... (Below threshold)
Pete:

Out of curiosity... by whom would you suggest these contrary and seemingly ignorant opinions shut down?

If that same group decides that, say, the local First United Methodist Church is "ignorant" can they be shut down as well?

It would certainly be nice if the societal outrage was the same for both forms of blatant racism, but suggesting that things be "shut down" is a little narrow sighted, I think.

Maybe not "shut down", but ... (Below threshold)
Margo:

Maybe not "shut down", but maybe ignored...."...by whom would you suggest these contrary and seemingly ignorant opinions shut down" is a good question, because the "whom" would be acting as the "supreme" in making decisions for everyone.

I despise internal ugliness...and that is what comes out in this so-called music...angry white guy rock or gangsta rap. It's all degrading...degrading to everyone.

What's REALLY racist is tha... (Below threshold)
Omni:

What's REALLY racist is that, although all mainstream and thus allegedly "white" institutions, whether political, media-related, or whatever, are BURSTING with blacks and other minorities, you don't see any whites, or even non-black minorities, in any "black" institutions... but that's supposed to be ok?

The race-based institutions... (Below threshold)

The race-based institutions should be shut down by their own members. People just just stop joining them.

We'll know we've evolved as a society when that day comes.

The race-based institutions... (Below threshold)

The race-based institutions should be shut down by their own members. People should just stop joining them.

We'll know we've truly evolved as a society when that day comes.

Sorry, got an error the fir... (Below threshold)

Sorry, got an error the first time.

You bring up a good point P... (Below threshold)

You bring up a good point Pete, so let me elaborate.

This is a free society, no one should be FORCED to disband as long as they break no laws. But they should not be taken seriously, any more than the KKK or similar groups are taken seriously. They should be viewed as the sanctimonious society-splintering shills that they all are.

Wow... I dont even... (Below threshold)

Wow...

I dont even know what to say about this thread. I guess the first thing I could say is it is unfortunate that there is still a need for a congressional black caucus. Having said that, I too have problems with the NAACP, since corruption and radical politics have pretty much ruined a noble organization that served the civil rights struggle well. I could also say I am oppossed to Gangsta Rap, but the interesting thing is that statistics show that a huge portion of the audience for hip hop music is white middle classed kids.

But this comment is beyond the pale:

What's REALLY racist is that, although all mainstream and thus allegedly "white" institutions, whether political, media-related, or whatever, are BURSTING with blacks and other minorities, you don't see any whites, or even non-black minorities, in any "black" institutions... but that's supposed to be ok?

First off the NAACP was founded in part by whites and still has non black members. When I lived in San Jose California, the biggest single racial group in the local chapter or the NAACP were latinos, and there was a representation of Asians as well.

The answer is NOT to shut down organizations like these, but to render them unneccessary. As long as there is racism in the United States, there will be a need for organizations to combat it. And while the NAACP has lost some of it's luster, the Urban League continues to be a force for possitive change.

Wow... I dont even... (Below threshold)

Wow...

I dont even know what to say about this thread. I guess the first thing I could say is it is unfortunate that there is still a need for a congressional black caucus. Having said that, I too have problems with the NAACP, since corruption and radical politics have pretty much ruined a noble organization that served the civil rights struggle well. I could also say I am oppossed to Gangsta Rap, but the interesting thing is that statistics show that a huge portion of the audience for hip hop music is white middle classed kids.

But this comment is beyond the pale:

What's REALLY racist is that, although all mainstream and thus allegedly "white" institutions, whether political, media-related, or whatever, are BURSTING with blacks and other minorities, you don't see any whites, or even non-black minorities, in any "black" institutions... but that's supposed to be ok?

First off the NAACP was founded in part by whites and still has non black members. When I lived in San Jose California, the biggest single racial group in the local chapter or the NAACP were latinos, and there was a representation of Asians as well.

The answer is NOT to shut down organizations like these, but to render them unneccessary. As long as there is racism in the United States, there will be a need for organizations to combat it. And while the NAACP has lost some of it's luster, the Urban League continues to be a force for possitive change.

I love how those of you on ... (Below threshold)
thatcoloredfella:

I love how those of you on the Right have gotten so comfortable using the 'racist' or 'racism' terms against the Dems, and now rappers.

To be a racist, you must feel superior to another race, or have the ability to deny them based on that prejudice. I don't listen to any rap/hip hop, but please Kevin offer up some proof. Nearly 40% percent of rap sales come from white middle America. The knowledge that young white kids prefer it over white hate music, tickles me to no end.

Is that 'Rap' with a silent... (Below threshold)
Steve UK:

Is that 'Rap' with a silent c? Or K for the KKK?

I agree at the most basic l... (Below threshold)

I agree at the most basic level with DSA and others on this one--in that when racism ends in America, neither side would "need" race-based groups. The sad fact is that there does exist a double standard. Society does not (and truly should not) tolerate a designated "white" group, yet in many cases, society is expected, if not forced, to embrace a designated "black" group. If there's any doubt about this expectation, look at the debacle over Bush's refusal to speak before the NAACP. Were it not for this bifurcated definition of "racism", "black only" institutions and entities would not exist, and those groups know this. Too many have made their fortunes on the separation between the races to let the seeds of racism die in squalor.

To re-state and clarify: the very groups which are, by namesake and stated purpose, combating racism, because of their dependence upon racism for their very existance, end up fostering the very thing they fight, and in doing so, secure the future of their own existance.

And to TCF--please don't try to re-define racism to suit your political views. To promote one people based upon race is just as racist as it is to oppress a people because of their race.

I agree at the most basic l... (Below threshold)

I agree at the most basic level with DSA and others on this one--in that when racism ends in America, neither side would "need" race-based groups. The sad fact is that there does exist a double standard. Society does not (and truly should not) tolerate a designated "white" group, yet in many cases, society is expected, if not forced, to embrace a designated "black" group. If there's any doubt about this expectation, look at the debacle over Bush's refusal to speak before the NAACP. Were it not for this bifurcated definition of "racism", "black only" institutions and entities would not exist, and those groups know this. Too many have made their fortunes on the separation between the races to let the seeds of racism die in squalor.

To re-state and clarify: the very groups which are, by namesake and stated purpose, combating racism, because of their dependence upon racism for their very existance, end up fostering the very thing they fight, and in doing so, secure the future of their own existance.

And to TCF--please don't try to re-define racism to suit your political views. To promote one people based upon race is just as racist as it is to oppress a people because of their race.

In the UK if you rap about ... (Below threshold)

In the UK if you rap about executing homosexuals and are black you get a MOBO music award. Ditto is you talk about beating up women and have a criminal rap sheet for violence as long as your arm.

If your white even suggest this sort of thing you can end up in jail.

And they wonder why young black men (and white yobs) are so fucked up?

I had a funny thought last ... (Below threshold)

I had a funny thought last night: "The Congressional Caucasian Caucus"

The NAACP and the like were nobly conceived in the short run, but at the same time ill-conceived in the long run. The problem is that the existence of such organizations is predicated on the notion that minorities do not have equal rights; once equal rights for their constituents have been achieved, they should be dissolved but of course the memebers have a vested interest in never letting that happen under any circumstances, so they can never acknowledge equality. Instead, after achieving equality they go on claiming discrimination. pushing for more and more special treatment, and end up creating resentment and a culture of irresponsibility and victimhood.

I think Dr. King's dream of his children being "judged by the content of their character rather than the clor of their skin" is actually not much closer today than when he gave the speech. It sure isn't reflected in college admissions, where your entrance score today is partly dependent on the color of your skin.

Bo Diddly wrote:<i... (Below threshold)
thatcoloredfella:

Bo Diddly wrote:

To promote one people based upon race is just as racist as it is to oppress a people because of their race.

Could you explain or clarify your point here? Maybe give an example?

Also, explain how I 're-defined racism' too?

First, my apologies for the... (Below threshold)

First, my apologies for the double-post. Don't know if it was me or my confuser . . .

TallDave--Would it be the CCC then? or would they spell it more creatively to fit with the msm's personification of the group? j/k--two wrongs never make a right, even if three lefts do.

TCF--before I respond directly, please understand that I don't pick fights or try to inflame tempers. David over at ISOU can verify this, and we've had a lot of dialogue about racism and race relations over the past several months.

You limit racism in that you inject qualifying circumstances: "To be a racist, you must feel superior to another race, or have the ability to deny them based on that prejudice." Racism's roots are actually very simple: attribution of qualities (whether positive or negative) to a person based upon skin color and/or heritage. One of the more paradoxical applications of the term is when a black person makes a statement indicating his belief that all white folks are racist. It may have been unintentional, but when you inject the limitations of perceived superiority or ability to effect that prejudice, you effectually limit the term of "racism" to make it only applicable to the majority--those in control. Racism, in my opinion, can only be fought when it's defined in the broadest sense of the word, because only then can the true roots of racism be discovered and addressed.

As an example of racism promoting rather than oppressing--black voters who vote for a black candidate, regardless of qualifications, but solely to get a "black voice" in office. Another example would be the extra scrutiny placed upon a white executive that promotes a white person in his company, as opposed to him promoting a black person to be used as a "token" to attract black business. Racism will be defeated when there's no pressure to racially discriminate either positively or negatively.

I'll also state this, for those who may be reading this thread and don't know much about me: I live in the deep South. Racism still runs rampant here sometimes, but it's not usually from the "likely" sources. One of the more stunning examples is that this year, 3 decades after desegregation, several school districts around here were pushing really hard for more black instructors in the mostly-black school districts--with the full support of the NAACP.

Kinda leaves me scratchin' my head . . .

Bo Diddly wrote:<i... (Below threshold)
thatcoloredfella:

Bo Diddly wrote:

One of the more paradoxical applications of the term is when a black person makes a statement indicating his belief that all white folks are racist.

The key word in this passage is not 'application', but 'statement'. It is the ignorant opinion of few, yet it is not reinforced beyond shared stupidity.

You cannot equate the beliefs of some, to the centuries where racism has been validated by religion, ingrained as just in our society and implemented by our government.

As an example of racism promoting rather than oppressing--black voters who vote for a black candidate, regardless of qualifications, but solely to get a "black voice" in office.

A similar sentiment as this would be to suggest that Ron Artest's erratic and selfish behavior, is how Black men act, who grow up without a father. Stevie Ray Vaughn was a best-selling blues artist, because White blues fan could not identify with Black blues artists. Is that racism promoting?

Is it possible, Blacks will vote for a Black candidate regardless of qualifications, because their experience has taught them that these are the only politicians they can count on to look after their best interest?

But they can't - that's the... (Below threshold)
Porgy:

But they can't - that's the point.




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