24 year-old teacher Debra Lafave was back in court this week pleading not guilty to charges that she had sex with a 14 year-old male student.
The Smoking Gun has the prosecutions evidence and Tampa Bay's CBS affiliate WTSP has transcripts and audio of the calls the boy made to the teacher that were taped by police.
Debra Lafave sounds childlike in the conversations. She says, "Ewww, you think I'm weird," when he expresses concern about having sex without a condom. When the student tells her she can come over because his mother is out she says, "Promise... pinky promise."
LaFave's attorney, John Fitzgibbons, said that she will plead insanity. He also said that LaFave has "some profound emotional issues."
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Who, pray tell, counseled t... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Francis W. Porretto | December 4, 2004 12:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Who, pray tell, counseled this young woman to become a teacher instead of something she was more qualified to do? Snap-On Tool calendar model, for example?
1. Posted by Francis W. Porretto | December 4, 2004 12:30 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 12:30
2. Posted by James | December 4, 2004 1:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Obviously what we have here is the equivalent to "Sweeps Week."
Kevin wants to win his own blog contest - badly.
"Bloggers acting badly." I like it!
2. Posted by James | December 4, 2004 1:40 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 13:40
3. Posted by nomorelies | December 4, 2004 1:52 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Is it possible she has multiple personalities? She sounds like a candidate for a genuine mental condition. That tape was totally weird. Maybe one of her personalities is a 12 year old lolita.
3. Posted by nomorelies | December 4, 2004 1:52 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 13:52
4. Posted by Jim Hines | December 4, 2004 2:07 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Obviously what we have here is the equivalent to "Sweeps Week."
True that.
You know what though? I'm having an impossible time getting upset about what this young tart has done. I know for sure if it were a 24 year old man and a 14 year old girl I would be sufficiently outraged. Even if Debbie (I think we can call her that) weren't so damn attractive I still don't think I would feel the boy was taken advantage of. I'm actually thinking just the opposite. I'm thinking maybe there should be a required course in junior high where a passing grade requires you get it on with a hot young lassie like this one.
I know I'm wrong on some level, probably every level but I've talked to other men who don't appear to be upset about this either. In fact quite the contrary. So I thought I would share this side of the twisted psychology of men.
4. Posted by Jim Hines | December 4, 2004 2:07 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 14:07
5. Posted by McGehee | December 4, 2004 2:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'm thinking maybe there should be a required course in junior high where a passing grade requires you get it on with a hot young lassie like this one.
You know, I'm not totally sure I passed 7th grade. Maybe I'd better go back for a do-over...
5. Posted by McGehee | December 4, 2004 2:34 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 14:34
6. Posted by jonathon | December 4, 2004 2:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
i must say...that smoking gun transcript...the photo above....where were these types of teachers in my HS years?
6. Posted by jonathon | December 4, 2004 2:58 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 14:58
7. Posted by Palmateer | December 4, 2004 2:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Some people don't seem to get it, because this was the opposite of a male teacher preying on a female student - try to put yourself in a parent's shoes; this teacher was in a position of trust, and parents need to rely on teachers when their children are under their care.
7. Posted by Palmateer | December 4, 2004 2:59 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 14:59
8. Posted by Tom | December 4, 2004 3:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Logically you are correct Palmateer. However, as a man who was 14 once, I know that if the opportunity to share a ride with this teacher came my way, I would definitely not have passed it up.
And the only scarring I would have would be the concern that it did not get better after 14...
8. Posted by Tom | December 4, 2004 3:36 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 15:36
9. Posted by kgowen | December 4, 2004 3:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
For all of you preverts out there fantasizing about this sordid episode, consider this: from previous reports, it is clear that this woman is (a) seriously messed up, emotionally and psychologically and (b) bisexual. Now, (b) is interesting because it means that she could have just as easily hit on a female student. The question is, what if you had a 14-year old daughter who was sexually used by a psychologically troubled bisexual teacher at the school you were sending her to? Would you feel
a) proud
b) happy
c) angry
d) disgusted
e) horny
Discuss.
9. Posted by kgowen | December 4, 2004 3:51 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 15:51
10. Posted by OBH | December 4, 2004 4:08 PM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
f) all the above?
I want to know what moron put that babe teaching 14 year old boys in the first place. The lack of common sense in the personel department of the school system has to bear some of the responsibility.
OBH
10. Posted by OBH | December 4, 2004 4:08 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 16:08
11. Posted by little Mikey | December 4, 2004 4:15 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Anyone who make the argument that is it the same as a man teacher taking advantage of a female student is not awhere of the differances between the sexes...besides...bisexual too? Now that is hot!
11. Posted by little Mikey | December 4, 2004 4:15 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 16:15
12. Posted by Hunter | December 4, 2004 4:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
- kqowen - You need to include "jealous" on the list to cover McGehee and me, and probably more of the male bloggers than will admit to it.....
- I'll say what no one else may want to. After the usual swarm of press, prosecutors, "groupies" and media whores, the usual court/verdict/testimony et al...The decidedly bodacious "Debby" will gain her spot of fame, and the kid will be mondo popular with both sexes of his peers. Both of them will have full dance cards for a good long time after the dust settles....May seem unfair, but thats the society we live in....
- As for me, as the parent of a "all-glans" Godzillateen I can certainly show the proper concern and outrage...
- But another part of me remembers Ms. Carrol, our 8th grade math teacher, whose glorious ass and rack made getting through Calculus a sheer labor of "love" for several generations of adolescent males, especially those times when she'd sit on the edge of her desk with her beautiful legs and skirt hiked up and....Erm....sorry....kind of drifted OT there for a moment......
12. Posted by Hunter | December 4, 2004 4:30 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 16:30
13. Posted by kgowen | December 4, 2004 4:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh, so there can never be any such thing as a female sexual predator? Good luck trying to sell that one...
13. Posted by kgowen | December 4, 2004 4:32 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 16:32
14. Posted by dbiscuit | December 4, 2004 5:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Problem here is that this is the personification of about 80% of every males first sexual fantasy. It is terrible tough for me to feel sorry for the boy, I have a feeling the media and court attention is causing much more harm to him than she ever did.
14. Posted by dbiscuit | December 4, 2004 5:02 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 17:02
15. Posted by jonathon | December 4, 2004 5:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
anyone who calls a guy a pervert for wondering where such teachers were when they were 14....isn't a guy.
15. Posted by jonathon | December 4, 2004 5:30 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 17:30
16. Posted by kgowen | December 4, 2004 6:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sorry but I simply can't see this as merely some kind of masturbatory fantasy a la Van Halen, nor do I subscribe to the assumption that the masturbatory fantasy depends on in order for it to work, namely, that it is perfectly healthy and natural for adults to sexually prey on minors. Healthy, normal adults simply do not do what this woman did. As previously stated, she has a history of psychological and emotional problems and all she's doing is working them out on the kid. Pardon me for not finding this erotic.
16. Posted by kgowen | December 4, 2004 6:34 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 18:34
17. Posted by Omni | December 4, 2004 7:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This is a simple case of an adult taking sexual advantage of a minor, one over whom she has power and influence, yet; I hope they treat this exactly as they would if the genders were reversed.
17. Posted by Omni | December 4, 2004 7:27 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 19:27
18. Posted by epador | December 4, 2004 7:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey, both my math and English teachers were hotties, but other than rare fantasy material, they were not my female peers or sexual objects. It was kinda a drag to have gym right after math though...
Its a sad picture of one aspect of our society to see the circus this has turned into.
But to get back on topic, the woman is not healthy. Her problem needs to be handled in an in-patient psychiatric ward, not the courts or the media. Besides betrayal of trust and authority/privilege, violence, sexually transmitted disease and rug burn or spinters can result from teacher/student intimacies. The boy may need some out-patient counselling, but protection from the media is problably more important if you have to rank things for him. And it will be a long time before he's likely to see anything "better" (from the Cro-Mangnon male perspective touted above by others, not the mature, real intimate love all us adult males crave, right?).
Now THAT's gotta be painful and punishment enough.
18. Posted by epador | December 4, 2004 7:37 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 19:37
19. Posted by Margi | December 4, 2004 11:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dudes. I hear you. But you are putting your adult selves into the 14 year-old's shoes.
As the mother of a 14 year-old son, all *I* have to say about this is: that young woman is VERY LUCKY she didn't take advantage of MY son.
Methinks I'd be the one needing an "insanity" defense.
19. Posted by Margi | December 4, 2004 11:13 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 23:13
20. Posted by Darleen | December 4, 2004 11:23 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
There is a huge difference between fantasy and reality. I definitely can see where boys would fantasize about their teachers (or a sexy adult next door neighbor), and unfulfilled, look back on those fantasies with nostalgia as an adult.
I would compare it with the so-called "rape" fantasy many girls/women have ... the fantasy of this sexy mysterious stranger just overwhelming them...
But reality is very very different.
Outside of media attention, this kinda of thing happens way too often. Working in the judicial field, I've seen the ones that do come to attention of law enforcement. We had a female teacher/coach that secuded a 16 y/o female student not long ago.
And guess what. Minor male students who ARE actually seduced by a female teacher are harmed by that seduction. It is not the stuff of fantasy land.
Look at what a piece of sorry humanity Vili Fualaau has become.
Boys have just as tough a time getting through adolescence than girls...and maybe tougher because we look out for the girls while sort of brushing off what happens to boys.
Adults who prey on children (pedophilia) or adolescents (ephebophilia) have power and personal issues.
20. Posted by Darleen | December 4, 2004 11:23 PM |
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Posted on December 4, 2004 23:23
21. Posted by jonathon | December 5, 2004 3:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
i dont think anyone is saying this teacher shouldnt go to jail.
But...most every 14 year old guy i have ever known would consider this situation a dream.
Guys at 14 are no where near innocent in their mindset, but that in no way justifies her pedophilia...but THIS situation...to almost any 14 year old guy, is a dream come true.
She should go to jail for a long time. She needs mental help. The guy probably needs a bit of counseling on how to treat women now too.
Parents dont control their kids...the neglected sons are able to use the neglected daughters...the good kids are social exiles...and thus junior high and early HS sucks all around.
21. Posted by jonathon | December 5, 2004 3:15 AM |
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Posted on December 5, 2004 03:15
22. Posted by McGehee | December 5, 2004 11:17 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
To put my comment into better perspective, there's a saying: "Youth is wasted on the young."
I'd say that teacher's libido was likewise.
Meanwhile, wisdom and experience are wasted on tubby old guys like me.
It ain't just junior high and HS that suck.
22. Posted by McGehee | December 5, 2004 11:17 AM |
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Posted on December 5, 2004 11:17
23. Posted by BeenThere | December 5, 2004 5:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
No big deal. When I was 13 there was a gal down the street that anyone could service. She was about 35 and not nearly as easy to look at. This went on for several years, until she moved away. Nobody told on her and we all felt lucky. I still do.
23. Posted by BeenThere | December 5, 2004 5:05 PM |
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Posted on December 5, 2004 17:05
24. Posted by andre3000 | December 6, 2004 10:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I guess this is a less humiliating way to minor-league infamy than being judged by a retard a drunk and a gay guy on Howard Stern.
I guess.
24. Posted by andre3000 | December 6, 2004 10:13 AM |
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Posted on December 6, 2004 10:13
25. Posted by Rightwingsparkle | December 7, 2004 1:22 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
All I can say is this. This thread confuses men because they are having to think with both brains. The one in their head says *wrong* and the one below says *wow.* Sadly the one below usually wins the argument.
25. Posted by Rightwingsparkle | December 7, 2004 1:22 AM |
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Posted on December 7, 2004 01:22
26. Posted by Galactic Jello | December 7, 2004 2:02 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
WE NEED A WARNING!!!!
For those of us with RSS feeds that read this stuff during "work hours" (on break, of course), we need to know IN THE HEADLINE if the topic is SAFE for work viewing! This is not!
People get fired for this stuff!
Please... Spam is mandated to have "ADV:" in the subject of emails, put something in like "!WK!" (Not Work !) in your titles if it is an article we shouldn't be risking the livelyhood of our familes on (seriously!).
26. Posted by Galactic Jello | December 7, 2004 2:02 AM |
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Posted on December 7, 2004 02:02
27. Posted by kgowen | December 7, 2004 3:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If you need a work warning, then my advice is: never read Wizbang at work.
27. Posted by kgowen | December 7, 2004 3:35 PM |
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Posted on December 7, 2004 15:35
28. Posted by Me | January 30, 2005 9:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The kid set her up with the police......what she did was wrong but she needs psychiatric help not prison.
28. Posted by Me | January 30, 2005 9:48 PM |
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Posted on January 30, 2005 21:48
29. Posted by Me2 | July 20, 2005 1:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think the kid needs mental help too, unless the boy is homosexual by nature.
29. Posted by Me2 | July 20, 2005 1:45 PM |
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Posted on July 20, 2005 13:45
30. Posted by Steve | July 21, 2005 9:57 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Look the kid got the ride of his life which I'm sure he's going to tell to all his friends about for as long as he is alive and now everyone wants to wichhunt the babe to death. Its the dick that should be put into the hole not the babe. We should sentence the babe to 2 years in Amsterdam's red light district (that's Denmark for those inbreds in the bible belt who think sex is for procreation) so she can cool her legs down and put a life time gag order on the boy.
30. Posted by Steve | July 21, 2005 9:57 AM |
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Posted on July 21, 2005 09:57
31. Posted by joe | July 22, 2005 12:00 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Man, she is a COW. What are y'all talking about?!
31. Posted by joe | July 22, 2005 12:00 AM |
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Posted on July 22, 2005 00:00
32. Posted by Lucas | July 31, 2005 1:34 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
come on you retards... everyone here was 14 once. now anyone who says they would not have tapped that ass because they were too young is probably gay, because i just don't care, i could be 5 years old i wouldn't be a bit shy about doing a fine bitch like this one.. what y'all dont realize is that children do have dicks and pussies, therefore, they have sexual feelings and pleasure. well, maybe you do know, you just pretend not to.
seriously, it's as simple as that.
32. Posted by Lucas | July 31, 2005 1:34 AM |
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Posted on July 31, 2005 01:34
33. Posted by joe | August 1, 2005 12:22 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sure, Lucas, and maybe you can do Camryn Manheim next....
33. Posted by joe | August 1, 2005 12:22 AM |
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Posted on August 1, 2005 00:22
34. Posted by gabe | August 2, 2005 4:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Most of us agree on the point that a 24 year old women sexually does not need to use a 14 year old boy. I do understand there are circumstances where a woman/man over the age of 18 could force a minor into sex.
If two 14 year olds engage in sex then even if it is consent or not no one raises a voice. I just don't understand the age of consent thing these days. Did any of you so called parents or concerned citizens ever visit a local mall or a theater on a friday. I have seens 12-16 year old teenage girls smooching their b/f's or who ever it is more passionately than any actors in a movie.
These girls walk into the theater complex normal but they walk out of the women's rest room completely changed. Those small skirts and tight T's they change into is definitely not endorsed by parents for sure. Go check your kids and their closests first before you point fingers at others.
The age of consent these days should be changed. I doubt anyone who reached puberty does not understand what is sexual inclination or not. If teenagers can sneak beer kegs for a party or get pregant, they definitely can get out of situations they don't need to be in.
I read the whole transcript on TheSmokingGun and did not find a tad bit of evidence that the teacher forced the guy. It sounds consentual. If teenagers can get hold of smokes or drugs, sex is the last of my concerns.
34. Posted by gabe | August 2, 2005 4:21 PM |
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Posted on August 2, 2005 16:21
35. Posted by Gabe | August 2, 2005 4:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
People get fired for this stuff!
What the Fuck are you doing reading these articles at work? Wait till you get home.
35. Posted by Gabe | August 2, 2005 4:24 PM |
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Posted on August 2, 2005 16:24
36. Posted by Skullers | August 2, 2005 4:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Isn't there anyone who dated this chick or banged her atleast around to say what kind of person she is?
Did she make anyone of these guys wear that outfit Rob Schnider wore in that new Deuce Bigalow 2 teaser (baby diaper and hat)?
Where are the psychological profilers?
36. Posted by Skullers | August 2, 2005 4:29 PM |
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Posted on August 2, 2005 16:29
37. Posted by marcos | September 7, 2005 10:32 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)