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Why Not Just Get a Macintosh?

[After the last 2 weeks, I've learned it's going to happen anyway, you may as well enjoy the ride.]

Network Too Full of Spies

Fed up over problems stemming from viruses and spyware, more computer users are giving up or curbing their use of the Internet.

Stephen Seemayer had the first Pong video game system on his block. A decade later, the Echo Park artist was the first of his neighbors to get a personal computer. And in 1996, he was so inspired by the World Wide Web that he created a series of small paintings for viewing over the Internet.Now the 50-year-old Seemayer is once again on the cutting edge: Sick of spam clogging his inbox and spyware and viruses crashing his system, Seemayer yanked out his high-speed connection.

"I'm not going to pay for something that I can't use," he said.

A small but growing number of frustrated computer owners are coming to the same conclusion. They're giving up or cutting back their use of the Internet, especially at home, where no corporate tech support team will ride to their rescue.

Instead of making life easier the essential promise of technologies since the steam engine the home PC of late has made users feel stupid, endangered or just hassled beyond reason.

Seemayer's machine, for instance, got so jammed with spam that he stopped checking e-mail. When surfing the Web, pop-up ads from a piece of spyware he couldn't wipe out spewed sexually explicit images and used so much computing power that the PC would just stop. ...

But 2004 "was a real turning point in a bad direction," said technology analyst Ted Schadler of Forrester Research. "People are getting really angry. They're angry at Dell and Microsoft and their cable providers, and that's appropriate. They should be."

Of course they should be. Microsoft sucks. Gates announced his "trustworthy computing" (isn't that what he called it) something like 3 or 4 years ago and Windows sucks now more than it ever did. These people should just get a Macintosh and be free of that spyware grief. Mac users don't have all those things trying to invade their computers and steal their on-line banking passwords and such.

Besides, with Windows you get technology that is 5 years old anyway. Hey, you wanna see a REAL computer? Check this out....

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See that little computer on the right? That son is innovation. That's the cheapest Macintosh they make- but don't let that fool you.

It takes up less desk space than a hardback book, it's whisper quiet and is so advanced, it comes STANDARD with the ability to edit HDTV video -- not that 1950's regular TV crap -- we're talking state of the art 1080 lines of HDTV goodness. (Your computer can do that right?) And you don't have to add any input boards or go buy some expensive software you don't understand anyway... It's all ready for you and works automagically. (plus it does a whole lot more)

Get the model with the DVD writer and you have everything you need to make HDTV DVDs in your own home. (While sitting in your pajamas.) OH and did I mention how much it cost? That would be $499. You wanna compare that to a Dell? Son, Dell don't make a box that comes as equipped as the cheapest Mac they make today. Don't make your momma slap you boy.

Instead of cursing that old raggedy Windows box you got, why not admit all your friends are idiots and buy a Macintosh? Then when they get infested with the newest spyware you can call them ask... "Why didn't you get a Macintosh?"


All jokes aside- If you edit video, linear or nonlinear, follow that "automagically " link.- Cool beans.


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Comments (50)

This is going to cause some... (Below threshold)
John Fisher:

This is going to cause some interesting times at Microsoft. While any of the PC hardware companies could offer equivalent hardware for probably $100 less the 'glue' that would hold it together would be the Media Edition of Windows XP. Microsoft has been positioning that version for high end systems so as to try to increase their margins. Microsoft will have to decide whether to cut the price of Media Edition to the OEMs so that they can offer Apple competition or let Apple have a couple more points of market share. That said you are correct that there is nothing like it available at the moment. Almost makes getting one a casual purchase.

As the risk of raising the ... (Below threshold)
John:

As the risk of raising the ire of Macaphiles...

I believe 'wow-factor' of Apple's offerings usually fall more in the category of implimentation than innovation. (I don't want to trivialize the importance of implimentation either).

And, I'm no fan of Microsoft since their offerings don't usually fall in either of those categories.

It just from a strict technical perspective, neither of those two deserve the crown of 'innovator' as often as they're given it.

Just . . . just knock it of... (Below threshold)

Just . . . just knock it off!

[puts hands on ears, closes eyes]

I can't hear you! La la la la la la la la . . .

(The proceeding was typed on a Dell desktop system.)

If Apple had any market sha... (Below threshold)
Robert:

If Apple had any market share, they wouldn't have to give away computers.

There are only a few users left, but boy, are they LOUD!

Eight track, Beta, Buggy whips, maps of Aceh....

I just went to the APPLE si... (Below threshold)
Mike:

I just went to the APPLE site. $499 doesn't cover everything. No keyboard/mouse, no monitor, etc. Maybe I missed something but I believe this is just the CPU. Still, it great looking and compact.

M

I admit that I would love a... (Below threshold)

I admit that I would love a Mac, but until recently I couldn't rationalize the $$$. I make Pontiac salary, not Mercedes salary. Now that Macs are coming out that are affordable I am seriously considering getting one.

However, concerning viruses: Macs only get about 5% of the market (the last I checked, and it has been a long while since then), so if I was writing viruses I would want them to hit the biggest target, i.e. Windows-based PCs. If the number of Mac users increases dramatically the likelihood of becoming infected by a virus will also increase. I'm not saying that this is a reason NOT to get a Man (like I said, I want one), just that if people en masse move over to Macs to avoid viruses they’ll soon find themselves frustrated once again.

Of course, with the stranglehold that MS currently has on the industry I don’t see a sudden shift in the number of Mac users any time soon, so yeah, you’re probably better off getting one.

I think I just debated myself.

Uh...Linux, Firefox, Thunde... (Below threshold)
Joe:

Uh...Linux, Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, GIMP, KDE, Gnome, etc, etc. It would all run on the PC, virus, spyware and popup free. It can all be installed from free. As for the HDTV editing, I don't do that myself, but I'm sure there's some free software that will do something like that on a Linux box.

Ok, ok. I bought a Mac Mini... (Below threshold)

Ok, ok. I bought a Mac Mini at work yesterday. Mainly for web development and testing.

However, that $499 price is a little optimistic. Granting that the slower CPU is probably good enough for most entry-level folks, adding the DVD burner, additional memory, and a larger hard drive (40MB? surely you jest) pushes the costs into the area of a decent Dell very quickly. I'll be using an existing monitor, mouse, and keyboard but if you didn't have a spare set around then you'd also have to buy those.

I can't argue about Windows' spyware vulnerabilities. It's perfectly possible to use Windows safely and not get infected (*cough*Firefox*cough) but you have to know how. That's ridiculous, because most people who just want to use their computer clearly won't know how to keep themselves safe and don't have a handy tech around to fix things when it gets screwed up.

Umm. What Joe said. Duh. ... (Below threshold)

Umm. What Joe said. Duh. If the dude in that piece is so "cutting edge" you'd think he'd be using open-source almost exclusively. All I know is that since I have made the switch the amount of spyware I have gotten on two computers at home and 1 at work has been ZERO. Thanks Mozilla and Linux.

My general understanding --... (Below threshold)
-S-:

My general understanding -- again, I write, GENERAL understanding, based upon what I've read in generalities about several issues that you've referred to here -- is that the onslaught of attack level, interruptive and obnoxious spyware and trojans and hacking and all is more an indication that that's the target by those who behave maliciously than it is about the "PC vs. MAC" argument.

UNLESS, of course, MAC is responsible however indirectly for the trend among people that to hack at Microsoft is to be someone *special.*

If MAC and the Apple OS were the ordinary Joe/Jill home computing system, then the offenses would be aimed at those targets, is my point, but because Windows and the PC have been the most commonly used by most commonly connected internet users, then malicious efforts focus on the Windows OS, all formats, and the PCs that operate same.

But, as to one being more secure than the other, the OS that each uses is vulnerable when/if anyone wants to focus on the vulnerabilities. Same with Firefox once and if it becomes what's used by most...

My point is that it is the behavior of malicious individuals that's the question, not the "victims" of their malicious behaviors, although consumers and manufacturers do have to deal with the malicious behavior, granted, afterward and protect against further damage as best they can.

I, too, am pretty tired of the crud that's so prevalent on the internet and devote a great deal of computing hours to scanning, preventing, looking into, generally dealing with harmful and intrusive problems and preventing them than I wish I had to.

Not yet incentive enough for me to jump into a MAC, however. I agree that they physical attributes are attractive but so are other configurations...and, most people still purchase what they find affordable and least risky and as user friendly as possible.

For technically proficient who want to open their towers themselves and add and replace at will and can, and admire their own desktops and write about it later, then a MAC works, yes.

But, the PC still has advantages. And I'm still buying another DELL later this year/early next. I always dread these "new MAC" rollouts because then the internet has to work through the layers of MAC aggression afterward for longer than I enjoy reading.

It's a problem.

I read my Norton reports of... (Below threshold)
-S-:

I read my Norton reports often and it's pretty astounding just how much damaging and quite dangerous content is on the internet, continually haunting for areas of vulnerability.

People should install very aggressive security programs, deal with their "memory hog" characteristics (buy something with a lot of memory and RAM and then not contend with the issue of who hogs and who does not) and then be smart as to how they use their connectiion.

The I.S.P.s are generally being very irresponsbile, however, in this issue. And should be held more accountable. That is, they're organizations providing connections -- most want to leave it at that -- but as with a broadcast signal, you don't see surprise popups and channel changes and voice-over announcements of unknown origin when you turn on your televisiion, and so should also not encounter same when you connect to the internet.

So, the standards for I.S.P.s, some of them, certainly, need great improvement. I know I've met recently among the most barbarous and caustically ugly I.S.P. 'technician' ever, so, in my experience, employers among broadcasting and providers is horribly poor, if even exists.

But, blaming Windows and Microsoft for these human falings, isn't realistic.

Having started using person... (Below threshold)
DJ:

Having started using personal computers way back in the early Apple I days (pre ][/+/e/c/gs), I've always had a soft spot for Apple. That being said, I gave up the soft spot when the company reigned in the licensing for 3rd party manufacturers to build apple compatible machines (think Franklin, et al).

Granted Windows might be, heck, IS buggy and full of holes, but you can't beat the hardware cost advantage provided with the free and open market. For LESS money than the mac mini, I'd head to wal-mart and pick this up: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3340268 , then connect it to the internet just long enough to d/l the latest version of one of the open source variants and still be $$$ ahead of the Mac crowd. (and it comes w/ a monitor and keyboard).

My preferences aside, I will say that after milling around the Apple store for a bit, I am extremely impressed w/ the interface, specifically the look and feel of the user experience. The open source apps/gui's have a long way to go to even be in the same book as the Mac when it comes to putting an intuitive interface on top of a *nix variant.

In other words, these issue... (Below threshold)
-S-:

In other words, these issues still aren't motivation or sales pitch adequate to make me "get a MAC." I would, I just didn't, now I have a DELL and am pleased with that manufacturer and with a broadband connection in use and software I own that assists in the processes and that's the way it is.

Meaning, for people already computing, to change from the PC to the MAC represents a major economic effort. Most of us just modify over time and don't devote ten thousand dollars easily to replace everything, which is what most people face in that proposal of "just buy a MAC" if they're already accommodating a PC environment.

But, yes, sincerely, the MA... (Below threshold)
-S-:

But, yes, sincerely, the MAC hardware is attractive. So is DELL's XPS. So is the moon.

There is not enough computi... (Below threshold)
Jim Hines:

There is not enough computing power in that mini for people to have a satisfying experience editing digital video. For one thing bus speed is far too slow. The specs on this machine match up pretty well with my Pismo with a poweleap processor upgrade and a gig of ram. I've abandoned cutting tape on it. My dual gig quicksilver with 1.5 gigs of ram is barely adequate.

Magic iMovie is similiar to a product Sony was bundling with it's boxes a few years back. But if you can edit that well in camera why do you need a computer at all. The main purpose of editing is to get rid of unwanted footage. If your footage is 100% useable, 100% of the time then just use the in camera transitions and title builders.

My kids - three and six - have never gotten any spyware, malaware, trojans or browser hijackers. A hardware firewall (about $40) along with avoiding P to P filesharing programs would solve most folks problems. I also recommend this "FREE" virus software - AVG - .

This product will be a bust just like the "Cube". Apple will slog along with 2% of the market share. Pixar will win an Oscar for "The Incredibles". The internet standards folks will figure out a packet protocol that will sniff out malicious files on the wire and we will all evolve towards ......Love!

(no time to edit ...just pretend magic iWord did it for me.)

Uh...Linux, Firefox, Thu... (Below threshold)
Carrick Talmadge:

Uh...Linux, Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, GIMP, KDE, Gnome, etc, etc. It would all run on the PC, virus, spyware and popup free. It can all be installed from free. As for the HDTV editing, I don't do that myself, but I'm sure there's some free software that will do something like that on a Linux box.

Are you kidding me??? Linux has even a worse record than Windows when it comes to security. Take a gander at this study. Mac OS X has been shown to be the most secure OS, and it has been demonstrated this is not just because there are fewer Macs (about 10% of actively used computers are Macs), but because the underlying OS is in fact more difficult to hack into.

I don't want to speak for our IT guys, but we have lots of problems with Linux boxes getting hacked into, used as spam reflectors, etc. I wouldn't put a linux box on the internet and run it 24/7. That aside, it is my O/S of choice for embedded applications, and it is pretty close to Mac OS X in terms of stability.

Microsoft's OS has, in fact... (Below threshold)
Darkmage:

Microsoft's OS has, in fact, gotten better in recent years. So has most of their products, if you don't mind a lot of feature creep and bloat. But I digress...

The spyware and trojan issue is not so much a product of Microsoft, but the product of the hacking environment. DDOS attacks, spam, spyware and exploit attacks have increased by more than 100% in one year.

It's not that Microsoft has gotten worse, the script kiddies have gotten better.

Macs aren't a silver bullet... (Below threshold)

Macs aren't a silver bullet. They're a tool, a machine, whether they're $1 or $1,000+, they're not a panacea. Neither is Dell, nor IBM, Microsoft, any of the Linux developers, so on and so forth.

Saying "Oh I don't want SPAM or spyware, so I'm going to get a Mac" is like saying "I don't like the DC traffic, so I'm trading in my car for a SUV." The computer you use makes no difference to the amount of SPAM you receive, for starters.

For spyware, yes, Windows is more vulnerable, both because it has flaws (which can be plugged), it's the most dominant OS around (which means less effort is needed to find someone with detailed knowledge), and even attracts the 733t h4xxx0rs (Ed: didn't typing like that crap go out of style in 1995? Uh, yes. I guess they didn't get the memo >:) ) who want to "get back" and all the Windows users.

Give me a perfect way to run each and every one of the programs I commonly use without changing programs, repurchasing the programs, or spending cash I don't have on an imperfect emulator degrading my current performance with the programs on another OS platform, and then we can do an orange-to-orange comparason.

Until then, I'll get a Mac when someone buys it for me - and all the software too :)

While I won't discount the ... (Below threshold)

While I won't discount the fact that Windows users are getting irritated with the constant security gotchas, virus, and spyware, it's simple logic: You write malicious code with the intent of hitting as many people as possible.

If everyone used MAC's, they'd all be written for MAC's.

All the ailing Windows users should quit wining and remember that half the vulnerabilities they cry about are there because of "features" (think, "Outlook") they wanted in an OS.

Jim said:But if... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Jim said:

But if you can edit that well in camera why do you need a computer at all. The main purpose of editing is to get rid of unwanted footage. If your footage is 100% useable, 100% of the time then just use the in camera transitions and title builders.

I started to put this in the original post but I didn't....

"This and a delete key and you can zoom."

It lays it all out on the timeline and you can quickly delete the pure cull scenes and crop the others. It will cut my post production time by a good 25% I would guess.


BTW as far as speed editing... (Below threshold)
Paul:

BTW as far as speed editing HD video, anyone who can afford an HD camera today ain't gonna buy a mini... Well, at least not as a primary machine.

At least KOS got paid when ... (Below threshold)

At least KOS got paid when he whored for a lost cause.

Myria

Hi. Just wanted to say that... (Below threshold)
First Time Caller:

Hi. Just wanted to say that this "new" apple is isnt that great at all if you want to: play games (don't snicker - its a huge market), upgrade the PC yourself (the dang thing only comes with 256MB RAM and a Raedon 9200!).

Honestly, its just another cheap PC is a nifty box.

-S- and Jim Price are corre... (Below threshold)

-S- and Jim Price are correct. If someone wants to effect the most people, they choose to target the OS with the steepest vector. My kid brother is working on his CS Masters and has written for class both viri and spybots for Mac and Linux to prove his point (He did not release either over the Internet, just inside a closed network used for testing such code). He has convinced me that the major security flaw in Winow$ is it's ubiquitousness. I was amazed, not only by the fat that such things are possible on the Mac, but by the fact that my kid brother could convince me of anything.

If most of the Windoze market were to switch to Mac, M$ would quickly gain a reputation for security.

Gack! I meant to say:... (Below threshold)
First Time Caller:

Gack! I meant to say:

It's just another cheap PC "IN" a nifty box

Apple RULES THE WORLD. I b... (Below threshold)
Katherine Lambert:

Apple RULES THE WORLD. I bought a PowerBook G4 back in July and it has CHANGED MY LIFE. I spent almost a year in a bloodbath of yelling at my husband, at the cable company, at Dell, at my husband, at the Best Buy guy, at my husband about the sexually explicit Spam that would pop up over and over while I was attempting to write the great American novel or just another email to my neighbor with a manic yappy dog to shut the dog up or the dog would be dead. One popup ad for BiG BoNer, haunted my days and dreams. Then one day I lost all faith in yelling, in firewalls, in spyware and in my husband's technical abilities, and I took my trusty debit card to Compac and bought a PowerBookG4 LapTop and splurged on a 21 inch plasma screen, a wireless mouse and a wireless airport station.

IT CHANGED MY LIFE. I AM SET FREE at the price of $3300 bucks. DURING THE ELECTION I WAS ON THE LAPTOP EVERY MOMENT THAT I WAS NOT OUT BANGING ON DOORS AND CALLING FOR BUSH. Free Republic, Powerline, Wizbang, NRO, while streaming in Rush, Laura and Sean, playing the JibJab Videos and feeling so digital. Republicans must all change to Macs before the next election. It should be a rule.

No Big Boner ads and my neighbor got married and moved away with that yippy yappy dog. APPLE RULES. Don't even think about it twice, beg, borrow or steal but go Apple and go Apple NOW. It could save your marriage.

I don't want to sp... (Below threshold)
Mark Flacy:
I don't want to speak for our IT guys, but we have lots of problems with Linux boxes getting hacked into, used as spam reflectors, etc. I wouldn't put a linux box on the internet and run it 24/7. That aside, it is my O/S of choice for embedded applications, and it is pretty close to Mac OS X in terms of stability.

Hmm. Most of the hardware firewalls out there are Linux boxes connected to the internet 24/7. In face, I've got a spare PC running Linux to be my firewall since 2000. (I'm a Linux user at both work and home since 1997.)

Do your IT guys even know how to run a Unix-based network?

I won't argue against OS-X having a better UI than most (if not all) Linux distributions. Gnome and KDE are making advances, but I'm not sure that they are there yet.

Speaking of buggy software: The preview button strips the <blockquote> tags from the original text. At least with Mozilla 1.7.3.

Mark not to pick a fight bu... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Mark not to pick a fight but if you are interested in firewalls and security, check out the OpenBSD project. It is, by design, the most secure OS ever written.

Well, a lot of what I was g... (Below threshold)
CrowScape:

Well, a lot of what I was going to say has been said, although I will add that small form factor cases are nothing new in the PC world, so the size of the thing isn't innovation at all, simply emulation.

Besides that I'm waiting for the iProduct.

That, and it's easy as hell... (Below threshold)

That, and it's easy as hell to leave your computer wide open to attack with many Linux variants...if you don't bother to find out how to close them.

Paul- if you've got $600 ly... (Below threshold)

Paul- if you've got $600 lying around, you've got a convert. :) (My next laptop's a PowerBook, hands down, but even $500 is too much right now ;)...)

dispelling the "Mac is bett... (Below threshold)
trappedinmn:

dispelling the "Mac is better on security" notion:
http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?newsid=1798 - from this article:

Windows is more secure than you think, and Mac OS X is worse than you ever imagined. That is according to statistics published for the first time this week by Danish security firm Secunia.

The stats, based on a database of security advisories for more than 3,500 products during 2003 and 2004 sheds light on the real security of enterprise applications and operating systems, according to the firm. Each product is broken down into pie charts demonstrating how many, what type and how significant security holes have been in each.

One thing the hard figures have shown is that OS X's reputation as a relatively secure operating system is unwarranted, Secunia said. This year and last year Secunia tallied 36 advisories on security issues with the software, many of them allowing attackers to remotely take over the system - comparable to figures on operating systems such as Windows XP Professional and Red Hat Enterprise Server.

"Secunia is now displaying security statistics that will open many eyes, and for some it might be very disturbing news," said Secunia chief executive Niels Henrik Rasmussen. "The myth that Mac OS X is secure, for example, has been exposed."

"Get the model with the ... (Below threshold)
DBub:

"Get the model with the DVD writer and you have everything you need to make HDTV DVDs in your own home"

Not quite yet but Blu-Ray is coming. Anyone that is interested in the future of HD-DVD should visit www.sonybluray.org

trappedinmn Oh Sure, thats... (Below threshold)
Paul:

trappedinmn Oh Sure, thats why so many people are getting hacked on Mac and Windows users are the ones laughing. (rolls eyes)

Some people will believe anything.

Paul - your foolish arrogan... (Below threshold)
trappedinmn:

Paul - your foolish arrogance makes you blind to facts - that will get you far in life!

The hackers will start goin... (Below threshold)

The hackers will start going after mac users as soon as there are enough of them to make it worth while.

sigh- You failed to post:</... (Below threshold)
Paul:

sigh- You failed to post:

"Windows XP Professional saw 46 advisories in 2003-2004, with 48 percent of vulnerabilities allowing remote attacks and 46 percent enabling system access, Secunia said. "

and the disclaimer:

"Comparing product security is notoriously difficult, and has become a contentious issue recently with vendors using security as a selling point. A recent Forrester study comparing Windows and Linux vendor response times on security flaws was heavily criticised for its conclusion that Linux vendors took longer to release patches. Linux vendors attach more weight to more critical flaws, leaving unimportant bugs for later patching, something the study failed to factor in, according to Linux companies. Vendors also took issue with the study's method of ranking "critical" security bugs, which didn't agree with the vendors' own criteria."

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Further when even the numbers you cite show Windows is far more vulnerable don't you think it is bizarre the headline is that OS X is the insecure one?

Learn to think then get back to me.

What you guys fail to under... (Below threshold)
Brian:

What you guys fail to understand is that Windows security is great...it is the fact that so many so called "IT Professionals" do not know how to implement that security.

I have my machines on 24/7 at my home...and they automatically run virus scans and spyware scans nightly...I am behind a firewall and I also have a wireless network in place. I havent been hit with a virus in years...nor have I have problems with spyware since I started scaning for spyware.

What several others said is true...if mac was more popular...they would be the ones with virus issues.
Most virus writers are highschool/college kids that are goofing off...these are also the same kids that are using the computers that they grew up with. If macs were in all their homes...I'd bet that they would be writing viruii for macs.

These things are just tools...Use what you are comfortable with and stop acting like kids(windows suxors...)

There is not enough comp... (Below threshold)

There is not enough computing power in that mini for people to have a satisfying experience editing digital video. For one thing bus speed is far too slow.

Utterly untrue. I have a 1 GHz Power Mac G4 — slower processor, same bus. It runs iMovie spectacularly. Remember that we're talking about low-bit-rate codecs here; both DV and HDV only require 25 Mbps for real-time playback.

The computer you use makes no difference to the amount of SPAM you receive, for starters.

Actually, it kinda does. Mac OS X includes a mail program with a built-in learning spam filter. I get practically no spam anyway, because I have a .Mac e-mail address, but what little slips through gets caught for me by Mail's filter. Amount of spam that actually lands in my in-box: Zero.

If everyone used MAC's, they'd all be written for MAC's.

There are architectural differences between a Mac and Windows that make this not only unlikely, but in most cases actually impossible.

One thing the hard figures have shown is that OS X's reputation as a relatively secure operating system is unwarranted, Secunia said.

I'm pretty sure that comparing the relative security of operating systems by the number of fixes that the manufacturers release for each operating system is a dumb way to reach a conclusion.

I have my machines on 24/7 at my home...and they automatically run virus scans and spyware scans nightly...I am behind a firewall and I also have a wireless network in place. I havent been hit with a virus in years...nor have I have problems with spyware since I started scaning for spyware.

That's nice. I, on the other hand, am typing this on a Mac running the out-of-the-box installation of Mac OS X connected directly to the Internet with no firewall or anti-anything. If I turn on logging, I see nearly constant attempts to break into this computer coming from computers all over the Internet. I have never experienced a security problem and do not expect to.

The fact that you can invest a ton of time and energy into making your computer reliable is not, in my opinion, a selling point. And again, the "Macs are safe because they're not popular" line, apart from simply being untrue in its premise, ignores the low-level architecture of the Mac operating system.

Paul are you going to start... (Below threshold)

Paul are you going to start a religion?

All hail faith in MAC, any who disbelieve are infidels!!!

To quote Brian:
"These things are just tools...Use what you are comfortable with and stop acting like kids"

At least KOS got paid wh... (Below threshold)

At least KOS got paid when he whored for a lost cause.

Thank you Myria for a good old fashion belly laugh!

Paul are you going to st... (Below threshold)
DBub:

Paul are you going to start a religion? All hail faith in MAC, any who disbelieve are infidels!!

May I join? *chuckles*

I hope that you are all enjoying this conversation as much as I. Have a great weekend!

Brian confused this Mac use... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Brian confused this Mac user by saying:

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What you guys fail to understand is that Windows security is great it is the fact that so many so called "IT Professionals" do not know how to implement that security.

I have my machines on 24/7 at my home...and they automatically run virus scans and spyware scans nightly...I am behind a firewall and I also have a wireless network in place. I havent been hit with a virus in years...nor have I have problems with spyware since I started scaning for spyware.
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Brian: At the risk of pointing out the obvious flaw in your logic.....

If you have to scan for both viruses AND spyware nightly AND you have to keep your machines behind a firewall, you have PROVEN that Windows security sucks.

If Windows had decent security why would you need all those 3rd party products and extra procedures?

I have dozens of Mac on the internet with no firewall and no 3rd party security software and I've never had a problem.

What your post really says is "Windows security sucks but if you patch it up in enough places, you can hold the bad guys at bay."

You have an odd definition of "great security" don't you?

P

The one thing that Apple ne... (Below threshold)

The one thing that Apple needs to express about the Mac Mini is the value of what comes with it.

People are point out that wow, $500 gets you an average computer without a DKM. I just saw a Dell commercial on tv last night advertising a computer at $449 with a DKM. So whats the big deal.

But anyone who thinks $500 is not an amazing deal, has clearly NEVER used the iLife suite.

iMovie is unrivaled by anything costing less than $200 on the PC side of things (I am a videographer... i read tons of reviews on this stuff).

iPhoto's closest rival is probably the File Browser bundled with Photoshop - especially now that iPhoto handles RAW images.

iDVD makes better dvds with templates than I do with Studio Pro - because to create it's templates would take a good deal of work in Photoshop and a compositing program like Motion or After Effects, plus minor knowledge of DVD scripting. And it handles all manner of DVDs (DVD+R & RW and DVD-R & RW).

Garageband now handles 8 track inputs for live recording - plus it allows you to create your own loop based music. I don't know of any PC equivalent programs that aren't Professionally aimed and priced.

Last of all is iTunes which is free but is still one of the most popular music programs (mostly because of it's seamless integration with iPod's and it's ability to do pretty much anything you need a music player to do).

All of this is INCLUDED in the $500 mini mac. iDVD would require the upgrade to a Superdrive or an external dvd burner, but otherwise the stock machine can run each program.

The experience I've had in buying Windows machines nets me crap proprietary programs that don't integrate with anything else.

On top of that is the whole security issue which I think has been dealt with.

I'm not claiming perfection for a mac - I'm on a powerbook and it hardly ever messes up (I push it pretty hard to, I'm not a very lite user), but I can't claim flawless performance.

$500 bucks. That's a helluva deal.

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Winston, do you happen to know if iDVD can handle anamorphic source material? I have a widescreen TV, and I'd love to make DVDs of some old home movies, but the movies were shot anamorphic on an XL1. For obvious reasons, I'd rather not letterbox or center-crop the source material.

I have iDVD on my Mac, but I haven't taken the time to figure out if it'll do what I want. If maybe you knew the answer off the top of your head, that'd be great.

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I'm pretty sure it won't handle it - none of the templates are designed for anamorphic at least.

It takes Studio Pro for that as far as I know.

with that said, we don't shoot widescreen for our events so i haven't dabbled in anything of that nature yet.

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JimK:

How's Jobs' privates tasting this week? A little salty after all that running around at Macworld? ;)

"If Apple had any market sh... (Below threshold)

"If Apple had any market share, they wouldn't have to give away computers."

If you had any sense, you wouldn't need market share to let you know where the good stuff is.

People who say they can't afford a Mac must have a lot of free time and patience, and don't realize for most people time is money. You pay more up front for the privilege of having a working system at the beginning and not spending your life on the phone with tech support, or spending time figuring out an odd an non-intuitive system. You're falling for the marketing and propaganda of people who have a stake in perpetuating the tragedy that is Windows. Wake up.

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Paul:

JimK you make Windows users everywhere proud.

JimK,I just entitl... (Below threshold)
Jim Hines:

JimK,

I just entitled the blog I've been threatening myself to start "Salty Privates" as inspired by your post.

Regarding the mac app "Garage Band". Macs don't come stock with microphone or speakers. So there will be some additional cash outlay for that privilage.

In addition iPhoto would be great if it were not as buggy as a rotting turtle carcass on South Padre Island at low tide in August.

iTunes? No problem there. Aside from the proprietary file type that disallows you to load those songs on any other player. And I don't see any thing about it that significantly outshines Windows Media Player. WMP plays video as well.

iMovie and iDVD are best in class apps. Those two alone are worth the price of a Mac if video editing is what you are going to be doing a lot of. However, I still insist that to make it a pleasant, productive experience you need processor power, plenty of fast ram, massive storage capabilities and a real time video card. This new mini doesn't fit that bill.




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