I know it's awfully closed-minded of me, but I refuse to give any traffic to that site. Care to give a hint as to what they're up to now?

Their rant boils down to: "Socialism is the answer, never mind it has not worked anywhere it has been tried. We hate you capitalists because it does work." Any time my idea is a failure and your idea is a success, I'm going to hate you as long as I cling to my idea. Until they can come up with some new ideas, they will be stuck in an endless cycle of hatred.
I find it interesting that "conservatives" are now the progressive thinkers, willing to try new things. And the "liberals" are left moaning for the "good old days".

I started laughing at the second paragraph "over there." Which I really wish I hadn't visited.

Jiminiy, is KOS ever so wrong about ever so much ever so often. I think that about covers all of it.

The only thing I think KOS forgot (?) was concluding the throw up with "Go, Dean."

I really -- sincerity here -- feel sorry for KOS and those like him. Truly I do, feel very sorry for them, so much rage, so little time, such little fingers, such a big keyboard, so many Republicans.

Party of tolerance indeed.

Well as long as they keep behaving like that, the GOP doesn't have to worry much.

Honestly, I think half the problem with the DNC is that they got so used to being in power, they got lazy. They think that the only thing they have to do to get back into power is keep badmouthing the other side. What they have to do, is actually come up with a plan. That is what Newt's contract was all about, it was about the GOP creating a plan and selling it. So far the DNC seems to think the only plan they need is an "I hate Bush" sign.

Rage, rage, rage against the lying right.
Damn that felt good! Do you have anything to add?

Just, thank you.

Wow, they really DON'T know what Republicans look like, do they?

"Calling Doctor Dean"
"Calling Doctor Dean"
"Your next load of patients are here. Please follow the people wearing the tinfoil hats to the Psycho Ward."

These people really do need professional help, and I think the Screamer is the Head Wacko that will lead them to a normal existance.

JM-
"Honestly, I think half the problem with the DNC is that they got so used to being in power, they got lazy."

Yep. And the same thing will happen with the GOP if there is not a credible opposition to keep 'em honest. Our country needs a rational, optimistic Dem Party. (Gack! I can't believe I just typed that- but it's true.)

As long as the Michael Moore wing of the Dem Party is ascendant, they will (rightly) keep losing. That's bad for the long-term health of American politics.

When you believe you are morally and intellectually superior to the opposition, it's hard to imagine that your position could use any work at all. Sure enough, many Democrats seem to be denying that anything needs to be done, past a little tweaking the communications approach. However, it's moral and intellectual vanity that they actually have.

It has been interesting to watch the party of the essential goodness of mankind, peace, love and koombya morph into the party of rabid hatred. Or perhaps they just dropped the pretence. Dr. Dean summed it all up last week when he said, "I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for."

70 MORE YEARS! 70 MORE YEARS!

I read the first couple page-downs of the comments and I just couldn't take it. Why does it seem that every single commenter there had to spew forth nothing but hatred? DailyKos has the most traffic out of any Liberal blog. If that seems to be the sentiment of the majority in their party, then I honestly feel for them. I also feel for the majority of the centrist liberals like BillK and Joe Lieberman that they have wacko-loons like that dragging the name "Democrat" (Big D) down into the mud and dog poo.

The left needs to stop doing so much of this post-election introspective navel-gazing and realize that the Republicans are totally eating their lunch, here. They always invent an excuse about how they ran a weak candidate, or they didn't get a story out, or the coverage was wrong, or this, that, and the other. It all boils down to the fact is that the Republicans have much tighter control on their ranks than the Democrats do now. The left suffers from breakaways bellowing loudly in the public arena and letting that form the "new" face of the Democratic Party.

I want to actually DEBATE somebody on the politics of ideas, not have to roll my eyes every time its an ad hominem attack and nothing of substance. If I want that, I'd go to a middle school and start an argument over something with some random child.

This one was choice:

"I'm a republican. I hate you and everything you Democrats stand for, you fucking communists. Fuck you."

Oops, sorry for the double trackback, not sure what happened there.

It's no wonder we saw so much voter intimidation and fraud from the Democrats last November. Political assassinations can't be far behind.

Kos's bigotry isn't sarcastic.
He truly is a bigot.
They should put his picture in the
dictionary with the definition.

The inmates really do run the asylum over there.

As long as the Michael Moore wing of the Dem Party is ascendant, they will (rightly) keep losing. That's bad for the long-term health of American politics.

I totally agree with you. I have to add to that my distaste for the Ann Coulter wing of the Republican party. I think that the less people listen to the likes of Moore and Coulter, the better we all are...

Big Lew wrote:

Until they can come up with some new ideas, they will be stuck in an endless cycle of hatred.

I think thats a really valid point. I get tired of the "I hate Bush" argument. Very old. I agree that Dems need more ideas, less complaints.

The antagonism between you guys here and dailyKos is amazing. I post on both, and I sift through both sites. There's bullshit on each side, and good thinkers on each side. I have seen a pretty equal amount of mud slinging from each camp as well. I dont enjoy ANY of that shit.

That said, I find that there are people on here who are really thoughtful and smart, and there are smart people on Kos as well.

Yes. The Dems are a minority these days. But, realistically, they didnt really get destroyed in the elections, they lost by 5 percentage points, which is no landslide. They did lose. I agree with what many of you on here are saying, in that the hate spewing crap is useless, and only creates bigger problems. Personally Im sick of hearing that from the liberal side. People can disagree without dragging things to that point.

I think that both sides are necessary for balance, and someone above wrote the same thing.

So Paul, I think you're right when you say that the Dems need to get people on their side...they also need a message that is strong and coherent, not as bland or weak as its been...

'Their rant boils down to: "Socialism is the answer, never mind it has not worked anywhere it has been tried. We hate you capitalists because it does work." '

More like 'I'm a big whiny crybaby and I'm going to have a big tantrum now because I'm not mature enough to deal with the world'.

It's like the reaction I get from my 2 year old when I won't read her another story and she has to go to bed. Of course she doesn't know the 'F' word yet.

by the way Paul:

They are a minority party and if they ever again want to be the majority, they need to get people on their side.

Brilliant analysis as always...

I much prefer the Ann Coulter wing of the Repubs to the Michael Moore wing of the Dems. At least Annie backs up her rants with actual facts. Moore's films, on the other hand, are basically collections of out-of-context quotes, cleverly-edited clips that distort the original meaning, and out and out lies.

I much prefer the Ann Coulter wing of the Repubs to the Michael Moore wing of the Dems.

Thats nice. I personally think that both are useless as far as adding to any understanding of issues. Coulter engages in personal attacks far too often, so I find her work pretty worthless.

You probably prefer Coulter, I would guess, because you agree with her stance on issues. Thats fine for you, but you might want to consider what she is really doing. IMO all she does is create more hatred for the "other" side, as opposed to a greater understaning of political issues. But it depends on your goals: do you want to continue fighting with liberals, or do you want to find ways to work with them??? Coulter will assist you in hating liberals, if thats what you want.

I could go around reading liberal writers who just hate Bush and call all conservatives idiots, but whats the point? I disagree with some conservative politics, but I certainly dont think that 52 percent of Americans are evil by any means. They might disagree with me, but I dont hate conservatives for it, not at all. Shit, we're all Americans, and maybe we have to figure out a way to work together, to make compromises, to agree on some things. Balance is good.

But again, it all depends on what your goal is.

I have to agree that Ann Coulter is a bit radical for me. We must understand that sitting back and laughing at them will only bring about our own ugly side. I feel sorry for them. I can think they're wrong, and I do, but I'm not laughing. Unless of course a particular situation demands it.

What many of them simply don't understand is that I, like many others, refuse to trade our capitalism, which isn't perfect, for another social structure which has been proven time and time again to be imperfect as well. Not to mention the fact that it collapses much more quickly. It's so much easier to abuse socialism and people will. We need only to look at Sweden to see that. They talk about the standard of living being so much better in Sweden yet don't mention the abuses the system suffers which brings about more regulation wich brings about more government control - and you know where that ends up. They're going for broke.

Socialism in practice is not what they say it is. It only rewards two classes of people, the powerful and the poor. The powerful for obvious reasons and the poor can be anything from a truly needy person to a lazy bum. The middle classes carry the whole weight of the system.

For some reason, our left thinks they can do it better. They can't.

a greater understaning of political issues. But it depends on your goals: do you want to continue fighting with liberals, or do you want to find ways to work with them???

THANK YOU! It's too easy to respond to the continual hatred and villification from the left with our own hatred. The only chance we have to actually ACCOMPLISH something is to not sink down into the very behavior we're criticizing. Thanks for the great comments. Personally, I worry about the sheer unreasoning hatred so many on the left feel. It's easy to write them off and say that kind of talk will continue to marginalize them but if Bush continues to spend money like a drunken sailor (and he's my man) then 2006 isn't going to be as easy for him. Disaffection WILL come and it's too easy for the haters to drag the marginal voters of today down with them. We can NEVER be complacent -- even the day after a victorious election -- and we should never take anything for granted. I personally think Dean's the worst thing for the DNC and America because he IS a hater of the first-rank. However, you just never know and it's not worth underestimating him.

Lindalu

lindalu2, it is very difficult to restrain the hatred of someone who is hitting you over the head, lifting your wallet and distributing the contents among his friends in order to finance the spread of their "freedoms" to every neighborhood (especially neighborhoods with resources and developing politic). You have to be Jesus Christ or Ghandi to forgive a mugger.

I'll call names and point out the hypocracy and crimes of the NeoCons (they are neither right nor left, but simply: Facist) all day. If that is construed as "hatred", so-be-it!

There's a few really choice lines here. First and foremost:

"I'm a republican. I hate taxes. Its my money. I earned it."

Yes I do, and it is, and I did. I get a bit scared when I realize that a substantial portion of the country seems to think the opposite. "I love taxes. I may have worked to make the money, but I didn't really earn it, I got it because of all the support this country gets from 'guest workers' and those poor, repressed/discriminated-against people making minimum wage, who should get most of it back." WTF?

Next, juxtapose:

"I'm white. I'm perfect, and I'm not like all those brown, yellow and black people."

with:

"It is not only my right, it's my duty to spread freedom and democracy around the world. If you don't understand that, Fuck you."

Conclusion? The brown/yellow/black people of America are friends of the Democratic party, but fuck your parents/cousins that still live in the third world under autocratic regimes. We can't afford to buy your vote ^H^H^H^H^H give you entitlements AND go to war to free your ancestoral homeland.