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Dept Homeland Security to buy SiGARMS Pistols

This is very good news for the people who live and die by their sidearm.

SiGARMS automatics vault it into big leagues

EXETER -- A five year, $23.7 million contract, which will provide up to 65,000 pistols for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, is expected to put SiGARMS, the local gun manufacturer, on the world map of gun makers.
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In the end, the selection process involved running a gauntlet of testing, dealing with reams of bureaucratic paperwork, going through dozens of separate evaluations -- and firing off more than three million round of ammunition, using 46 competitive gun models. Each weapon was required to shoot a minimum of 10,000 rounds and each pistol was eventually measured against 50 criteria. The selection process took more than four months to complete.
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The winners were three models of Sig Sauer pistols, the P229, P226 and the P239. The P226 and P229 are equipped with a newly designed DAK trigger system, developed by JP Sauer & Sohn, a German-based 200-year-old sister company.

The final Homeland Security order includes sub-compact, compact and full-sized pistols, in two calibers, 9mm and .40-caliber.

For those of you not familiar with SIG, this is good news for the folks who carry these weapons. SIGs are far better than the crap they have been issuing. The better news is that the Army is looking to send some to Iraq.

Many of the GIs in Iraq are already carrying Sigs. The difference is they pay for them out of pocket now. It's been clear for decades that soldiers could buy better equipment thru civilian channels than they could get thru military procurement. Having these issued now will not only save lives, it will boost moral.


Comments (21)

They are wasting good money... (Below threshold)

They are wasting good money. The GLOCK 19/17s that have been issued in the past were outstanding. The Sigs that are replacing them are double action only. I know, so are the GLOCKs, but the trigger pull on a GLOCK is nothing compared to a Sig on double action. Moreover, the FBI is switching FROM the Sig to GLOCK at the same time! Maybe they can just swap out pistols between the agencies and save us all a lot of money.

Dammit Paul, you are an ins... (Below threshold)
jmaster:

Dammit Paul, you are an instigator!

Apparently Wintel vs Mac isn’t enough, so you have to get a gun argument going (and a pistol one at that).

You might as well go ahead and file this post under “religion” too. ....

Paul, Paul, Paul... If we w... (Below threshold)
Nate:

Paul, Paul, Paul... If we were supposed to be shooting Sigs, then John Moses Browning would have designed it that way...

Seriously, In a law enforcement setting, a .40 caliber handgun is probably a good call. For the military, however, (who, unlike law enforcement can't use expanding bullets) there's no substitue for a bigger bullet to make a bigger hole in a bad guy. So, I still think the .45 is the way to go. And, of course, I'm horribly biased toward the 1911.

Sigs are I think the standa... (Below threshold)

Sigs are I think the standard sidearm for the FBI, and IMHO a nice pistol. I used to own a Beretta 92F and I really liked that gun too.

Too bad it's cost-prohibitive to buy a bunch of these:

http://www.lesbaer.com/1911s.html

I expect a minor flame-war, especially since poster #1 brought up Glock.

The Texas DPS has carried ... (Below threshold)
Peter:

The Texas DPS has carried the Sigs for some years now with no problems. If the shootin' iron was going to show a design weakness it would have shown up in open carry law enforcement. The iron is in an open holster, exposed to all kinds of weather from dust and heat to rain and ice storms. Every time a DPS Trooper pulls on that little curved dingus that comes out the bottom he, and now she, gets a loud noise.
The touble with these large contract is that one size doesn't really fit all. Standardized equipment is all very well on paper, trouble is, the people aren't standard. The sidearm that fits me perfectly isn't going to fit someone with much different hand size, wrist strength and body type.
Luckily for me I spent my career in a small, rural department. The department has a list of weapons that are allowed, that have passed tests not just by our department but others, the individual deputy gets an allowance check and buys his or her own. Glocks are very popular with the smaller deputies because of the light weight.
Deputies with small children at home like the H&K squeeze cocker and one old dinosaur who wants to be able to use his gun to whack people 'cross the side of the head likes the bull-strong Ruger semi.
Me? I was close enough to be put out to pasture that they let me keep my .357 Mag. What the heck, ya need more than six shots, ya ain't in a shootout, you're in a war.

Pete, are you callin' me a ... (Below threshold)

Pete, are you callin' me a "small deputy"?!! Just kidding. As for the "all weather" abilities of the Sig, I swam 'em around in the ocean when I was in the Teams. They rust up like nobody's business. I never swam a GLOCK, but I would guess that it would hold up a little better. The DAO feature defeats the best part of the Sig... the decocking lever. With no use for the decock feature, the Sig might as well be a Beretta with a durable slide.

"If we were supposed to be ... (Below threshold)
JimK:

"If we were supposed to be shooting Sigs, then John Moses Browning would have designed it that way..."

You speak the truth, brother. ;)

That having been said, those SIGs are outstanding weapons.

Wasn't SIG at one time a Sw... (Below threshold)
Pigilito:

Wasn't SIG at one time a Swiss company? I seem to remember that the SIG Group divested its weapons division a while ago.

If so, it's nice to see that the quality seems to have held up.

I'd comment on this, but my... (Below threshold)

I'd comment on this, but my .25 caliber hideaway is a Colt, and my mid-sized .45 combat piece is from some Italian company. Clearly I'm too much a statistical outlier. (I've also got a plastic .32 from Florida, a side-by-side .45 Long Colt derringer, and my wheelgun is a Commie .30 caliber seven-shooter...)

In all seriousness, though, my Tanfoglio is plenty rugged for my needs, has been absolutely reliable for me, and will digest anything but wadcutters.

Pete said:The t... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Pete said:

The touble with these large contract is that one size doesn't really fit all. Standardized equipment is all very well on paper, trouble is, the people aren't standard. The sidearm that fits me perfectly isn't going to fit someone with much different hand size, wrist strength and body type. ... The department has a list of weapons that are allowed, that have passed tests not just by our department but others, the individual deputy gets an allowance check and buys his or her own.

That's why they picked 3 weapons in 2 sizes. I'm a big fan of your department's solution for domestic law enforcement but when you have to service, repair and feed hundreds of weapons on a battlefield, a little standardization goes a long way.

There will always be a die-... (Below threshold)
LJD:

There will always be a die-hard Glock guy in the crowd. They eat, sleep, and breathe Glock, and are perhaps at times blinded by their bias.

SIGs are awesome weapons, the choice of special forces and Police everywhere. This is a good move for the DHS, and a good move for the New Hampshire economy.

Unfortunately, most people ... (Below threshold)
dodgeman:

Unfortunately, most people in law enforcement are terrible shots. Not necessarily their fault, because being good with a pistol requires lots of time and practice, something not always in abundance when working 12 hr shifts. I'd rather see all police departments go back to a .357 revolver for two reasons. 1) easy to shoot and always reliable, and 2) if they're going to miss anyway, I don't want them holding 15 round magazines and spraying lead everywhere.

As for the military, there are reasons to go with an auto (higher capacity, faster reloads, etc.), but basically a pistol is just a quick weapon to shoot while looking for your rifle.

My P226 fires single and do... (Below threshold)

My P226 fires single and double action, but maybe the new ones are DAO. Regardless I wouldn't trade for a Glock.

I'd cast my lot with the M1... (Below threshold)

I'd cast my lot with the M1911 crowd - but then I'm a bruiser. However, if a size 8 female can't wrap her hand around the weapon, she won;t be able to hit the bastard center of mass.

Not fond of Glocks simply b... (Below threshold)
Mark:

Not fond of Glocks simply because of the size of the damn grip. 1911s and SiGs tend to be slimmer and far more comfortable.

When my daughter tried out a number of handguns to decide what she wants to get in the future, her choices came down to a SiG P229 and a Kimber 1911. Wouldn't even try the Glock after she held it because of the grip size.

OK Highway Patrol went to SiG .45s some years ago as their issue sidearm, I believe they've had quite good results from them.

Dodgeman, what the hell? P... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Dodgeman, what the hell? Police can't shoot, so give 'em small ammo capacity? Why not double barrel shotguns then? Then they can't miss, and they only get two shots. Come on, now.

And the military... looking for your rifle? If you're "looking" you've got bigger problems.

The military pistol has three purposes: self-defense for pilots and tank crews, etc., a close quarters weapon for areas where a rifle is not suitable, and most importantly, for NCO's to "encourage" their troops to remain disciplined.

Please, when invoking the n... (Below threshold)

Please, when invoking the name of JMB, please include the (bbhn*) afterwards.

The SIG, Glock, and 1911 exist as a Holy Trinity in my gun sanctuary...er, safe. I'd carry any one of them onto the mean streets the DHS must walk. That said, the SIG line has the greatest assortment of grip sizes; the little single-stack P239 is great for those with smaller hands or smaller folks who need to carry concealed.

* Blessed Be His Name

LIBS WANT TO DISTROY THE SE... (Below threshold)
travis:

LIBS WANT TO DISTROY THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT.

I've never owned a Sig but ... (Below threshold)

I've never owned a Sig but every single person (and the married ones -insert rimshot-) I've ever spoken with who has owned one has praised it highly. From what I've heard no other firearm seems to be as perfectly tuned right out of the box. I needed to polish the ramp on my ParaOrd .45 before it would feed reliably. As much as I like that little beast (P10-45), I don't think I should have had to do that for it to feed properly.

I read a comment on about t... (Below threshold)
Stan25:

I read a comment on about the ordance department of the Army not wanting to have new handguns to replace the crap the soldiers are using now. (the Baretta 9mm) This is not a new problem. Every since the Army Department of Ordance has been existance, the powers that be have rejected sensible arms for the soldiers in the field.

A good case in point, in 1863 Winchester Arms came out the Henry rifle. The idiot that was running the department rejected it sight unseen. The southern troops had a saying about this weapon: “You could load it on Sunday and shoot it all week.” It took an executive order from President Lincoln to even send out a few to the troops to sample. This same thing occured with the gatling gun.

The only weapon that the Army totally rejected, before it was issued army wide was the 30-40 Kraag. It was so worthless in Cuba (the Spanish-American War) that even the ordance people hated it.

Ah, good move for the DHS. ... (Below threshold)
Bennette:

Ah, good move for the DHS. I have never fired the newer SIG Pro series, but the old Classics shoot like a dream.

I have fired SIG and Glock pistols side by side and I like them both. I do have a slight bias towards SIG, though, and would choose a P-220 in .45ACP over a Glock any day.

1911's are really sweet little weapons, as well.




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