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Ex-Marine Says Public Version of Saddam Capture Fiction

A former U.S. Marine who allegedly participated in the capture of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein said the public version of his capture was fabricated. In this UPI story - Public version of Saddam capture fiction - former Marine Sgt. Nadim Abou Rabeh, of Lebanese descent, was quoted as saying the Saddam capture was staged.

"I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced," Abou Rabeh said.

"We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed," he said.

The problems with Abou Rabeh's story (as detailed at The National Ledger, The Great Satan, and The Neoconservative) are as follows:

  • Current and former members of the military and the Marines cannot find any record of the existence of a Nadim Abou Rabeh.
  • Notice in these pictures the US flags on the shoulders of the soldiers holding Saddam, the Marine Corps does not put flags on their uniforms.
  • No Marine units were in the vicinity of the area where Saddam was captured.
  • According to DOD records, no Marines were killed during that time frame, either the day before, day of or day after.
  • He claims the hole the US showed was simply an abandoned well, but news photographers climbed down in it with their cameras and showed both the tomb-like square bottom and the air vent. [Paul]
Just so the editors at UPI don't feel too bad, they'll be happy to remember that the AP ran a story about a action figure held hostage in Iraq by terrorists.


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Comments (35)

You know the other side is ... (Below threshold)
bullwinkle:

You know the other side is losing when the lies get this incredibly bad. I realize that desperate times call for desperate measures but this is ridiculous. It won't be long before the moonbats are circling this one likes moths drawn to a candle, and not long after that we'll see even more wings get singed. That explains the tinfoil though, it's heat shielding, not anti-mind beam armor.

Wonder if this guy is buddi... (Below threshold)
mesablue:

Wonder if this guy is buddies with the soldier who was "kidnapped" by terrorists and then showed up AWOL with his family in Lebanon.

That action figure was a ho... (Below threshold)
Don:

That action figure was a hostage swap. For it they got Giuliana Sgrena

The story on its face is bu... (Below threshold)
julie:

The story on its face is bullshit. Yet the media can't be bothered to check it out? Where is s9? Isn't this one of his whiney complaints? Hey, s9, put your money where your mouth is and go spam UPI!

Hmmm...well...if a tree fel... (Below threshold)
defenestrate_yourself:

Hmmm...well...if a tree fell down in the forest, and the Pentagon said it didn't happen, did it make a sound? Answer: Yes.

It probably is a lie, but don't believe that just because DOD says so. Would it surprise you that the Bush administrtion would lie to create a story that works in their favor? They do it all the time.

Oh, get a life! People can ... (Below threshold)
julie:

Oh, get a life! People can derive their own conclusions by reason, common sense, and life experiences. You appear to need all your info veted by Kos and company. Saddam has not been held incommunicado. Sort of odd that we are just hearing about it now if it is true. You're scrapping the bottom of the barrel trying to win political points, moonbat.

The people that believe thi... (Below threshold)
bullwinkle:

The people that believe this garbage are the same ones that swore if WMDs weren't found we'd plant them. They also want to give credence to Giuliana Sgrena's lies because anyone that would plant WMDs would have no problem putting out an APB on her with shhot on sight orders. They underestimate the Bush administrations honesty nearly as much as they overestimate their own intelligence.

Former Marine Sgt. Nadim Ab... (Below threshold)
AnonymousDrivel:

Former Marine Sgt. Nadim Abou Rabeh blah blah blahs for some as yet undisclosed, selfish motive... so what? I'm not particularly inclined to believe him, but again I ask, "so what?".

Unless this is part of some Saddam Hussein legacy resurrection crusade, who the hell cares how he was caught? The point is this beast and now a walking dead man was caught and will soon meet his maker. Hopefully it will be a very long and arduous greeting followed by a longer and more arduous thrashing, if one believes in such things. I don't care if he was standing in the open firing his last pistol shot at a B1 bomber (not likely) or huddled like a cockroach ensconsed in a pit covered in his own filth (likely). He was caught by the good guys and that's enough for me. Now let's allow the Iraqis to put a bullet in his head and be done with it so al-Tikriti can get on with El Diablo.

Is this what moonbats have settled on in view of the current success in Iraq... blindly trust some possibly anonymous singleton's claims, just as blindly accuse the military (yet again! and by default) of lying, and privately hope that Saddam put up some stoic and heroic stand (with supplemental opportunity to kill honorable soldiers) all the while intentionally or unintentionally promoting a murderous tyrant just to embarrass the DoD? Are you kidding me?

Further, has UPI sunk so low as to present this uncorroborated and, in fact, refuted nonsense as news? And the MSM has the nerve to question the veracity of bloggers? Wow, cosmic bunnyholes left and right. I really need to watch where I step.

The MSM's inability to fact... (Below threshold)
Just Me:

The MSM's inability to fact check, and its tendency at this moment in time to take anything that even slightly criticizes the current administration as truth is going to be the end of is.

I kind of agree with AD though, that in the long run it doesn't really matter how Saddam was caught, but this story just gives the moonbats one more "liar" to squall about.

I think one of the reasons the MSM doesn't like blogs, is because they catch them with their pants down way too many times. Maybe the MSM will learn, but I won't get my hopes up.

Isn't the green container t... (Below threshold)

Isn't the green container the soldier is happily showing in the last picture the one in the previous picture full of money?

No wonder he is happy.

Really. This is stupid. Who cares how he was captured?

Well, you have to remember ... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

Well, you have to remember the picture was taken by one of the group and I don't think a soldier in Iraq has the ability to fudge a shot so what we know is probably the truth. I know they all carry digital camera's over there. The only way it could have been set up would to include the marines, to stick Saddam in the hole partway, pulling him out and having a reporter with them to take the shot. I think if they found Saddam in the messy house, they would have said so and not an elaborate story of finding him in an undergroud hole. He heard them pull up to look around, left the house and went into the spider hole and I think the story is exactly as we heard it from the beginning. I mean, he was really gross. And there was no gunfire either, so I believe the soldiers not this other person whomever he is.

Cindy

YOu know what you see in th... (Below threshold)
Open Window:

YOu know what you see in the MEDIA via US soure is very different ot what we get in Europe and the scope of soures and information on the Internet only help to clear the subterfuge.

I am afraid you are all very much victim on a nutrionally impoverished media junkter mostly controlled by Rupert Murdock.

Seriously. I am not joking or trying to be little anyone here. I am tryin g to call it in a most objective manner.

One of the UPI editors emai... (Below threshold)

One of the UPI editors emailed me back this morning. Not a very long email, but they admited the mistake.

I posted it at my site

Yeah, Rupert Murdoch contro... (Below threshold)

Yeah, Rupert Murdoch controls our media over here -- there are no alternatives. Even ABC (Anybody But Conservatives), NBC (Never Believe Conservatives) and CBS (Complete Bullshit) are all controlled by Murdoch. And so is CNN.

Fox News claims to be brand new, and an alternative to the left-leaning, increasingly anti-American alphabet networks, but in reality the rise of those networks over here was a vast, diabolical conspiracy by Murdoch to give us such intolerably slanted news media that when he came in and started Fox News Channel, we would all welcome our neo-con overlords.

How could we all have been so blind to what's going on in our own country that we have to be told the truth by some clueless anonymous Euroturd!?

Cindy, do you have any idea... (Below threshold)

Cindy, do you have any idea how easy it is to photoshop anything? especially THIS LONG after saddam was captured? It would take any person with any amount of skill at "adjusting" photos to create a fake scenario.

Oh, and what Europeans get is any better? Maybe the news that Europeans get is very slanted...

There is one big reason to... (Below threshold)
Peter:

There is one big reason to disbelieve this horsesh, um fertilyzer, the Marine Corps itself. Mother Green has been sucking the hind tit for funding, manpower and equipment since, oh, 1775 or so. In WW2 there were Nationial Guard units that had the M1 Garand rifle while the Marines on Guadelcanal were fighting with the 1903 Springfields.
To combat this the Corps has developed a PR component second to none. Had Marines been in on that capture it would have been all over the media within about seventeen seconds, complete with a Rosenthal type picture, a George M Cohan soundtrack and they would have sent three PFCs and a Lance Corporal to dig up John Wayne to star in the movie.

Nobody from the military or... (Below threshold)
Clem:

Nobody from the military or the White House would lie to the public. We must believe everything they say if we want murka to be strong and free.

RE: Clem at March 10, 2005 ... (Below threshold)
AnonymousDrivel:

RE: Clem at March 10, 2005 01:08 PM
We must believe everything they say if we want murka to be strong and free.

OK, fine. We can't trust the military, we can't trust the White House, we can't trust UPI, and we can't trust Nadim Abou Rabeh. Remember, trust no one, not even your mother.

I can trust that the good guys have Saddam Hussein and he will be executed. I think that would be as fair an analysis and expectation as we can have. Oh yeah, and I can still trust mom. Suits me just fine in view of my concession that the military has made some mistakes (the invasion of Iraq NOT being one of them). But which institution has proven to be more forthcoming in addressing these mistakes? The MSM? Heh, Dan Rather still hasn't acknowledged the TANG forgeries and CBS fell short in their post-fraud self-analysis. Nothing is as transparent as we would like, but honorable people at least try.

re: AnonymousDrive at March... (Below threshold)
Clem:

re: AnonymousDrive at March 10, 2005 01:56 PM

"I can trust that the good guys have Saddam Hussein and he will be executed."

The "good" guys execute people?

"Suits me just fine in view of my concession that the military has made some mistakes (the invasion of Iraq NOT being one of them)."

From your perspective it would follow that you don't believe the destruction of the WTC was a mistake.

Clem whined . . . ... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

Clem whined . . .

From your perspective it would follow that you don't believe the destruction of the WTC was a mistake.

No Clem, it wasn't a mistake. It was a planned attack by a terrorist organization on a civilian target of opportunity.

My guess is that Osama didn't understand what kind of hornets nest he would be thumping when he ordered this "mission."

So, no you simpleton, it wasn't a mistake! A terrorists act, yes!

Get It?

What is it about this post ... (Below threshold)
julie:

What is it about this post that has attracted the most illiterate, illogical, and down right dumb moonbats? Care to answer: defenestrate? open window? clem?

RE: Clem's post (March 10, ... (Below threshold)
AnonymousDrivel:

RE: Clem's post (March 10, 2005 02:14 PM)

The "good" guys execute people?

In a word and in this case? Y-E-S, YES. I hope I have been clear enough here, but I am answering in the affirmative. You seem to be of a reflexive, far Left position that ANY execution is bad and have made a sweepingly majestic extrapolation that I endorse wholsale execution by a select group of individuals. I'll broaden my audience to encompass your critique. I invite ANYONE on the planet to execute this scourge and will not limit it to the "good" guys. Is that better? Do you need more clarification?

Let me turn the table and mirror your wild extrapolation. Why would you want to save the likes of Hussein, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. from a fate less than death? Would they serve humanity any better either alive or in captivity? I didn't realize you were such a fan. See? Zany quips beget zany retort. Let the inzanity continue.


From your perspective it would follow that you don't believe the destruction of the WTC was a mistake.

Um, what? Where the hell did that association come from, particularly from what I wrote? Oh, I forgot... the moonbat cave. No, Clem, from my perspective it would not follow your inference that I think the military via Bush intentionally (or accidentally) set up the WTC calamity, and that it was a conspiracy to set up an international dynamic so that Halliburton could invade Iraq to tap its oil. Sheesh. Did I pick the wrong conspiracy? By all means, correct me. I love the inanely inzane.

First Henry, what is seen i... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

First Henry, what is seen in Europe are things we never get to see - like when people were jumping out of the trade building. We;re too ethical but I don't remember bringing that up. Henry, I also don't think that ANYONE would make up how we found Saddam Hussein and his slovenly living in that house or the spider hole just to make him look bad. We already know he's bad. So why would they even bother to set up fake information? We all saw him afterwards, too, and he was still gross. Clem, he will be executed. A democracy built on Iraq's way does not mean they'll stop executing. It's the how that we don't know. In Saudi Arabia, once you are found guilty - even of drug trafficking, you are beheaded within days of being found guilty. They also still stone women to death, regular beheadings and hangings are also the norm over there in those countries as punishment, so whether the Iraqi's are good guys or not, Saddam will be executed, no question about it. Check out how Yemen executes, too. All those countries have this horrible endings of execution after someone is found guilty. Get to know what the Muslim answer in each country is - that's why they don't really need jails. They are all held in one until their day of execution. This year alone, they have beheaded almost 40 people in Saudi Arabia just for drug trafficking. Good or not, that's their way of life and it will be that way in Iraq too. Just because Democracy is coming to the country doesn't mean they're going to do it our way; they're going to do it their way. Sometimes I think for those on Death Row, we should consider it; it sure would save us money. You've got your hands full in fact checking death sentences in the Arab world. Even China, way back when, used beheadings as a form of punishmen. Oh,Saddam will be executed, as will many others, no question on that. So take some time and check out the Arab and Asian nations. What do you think they did to the guys in Yemen who were found guilty of bombing the Cole? And from what I remember, Saddam Hussein was by himself at that slovenly house and hid in the spider hold anytime we were nearby. Pictures speak a thousand words. WE are only holding these guys for the Iraqi's and for when they are ready to try him (and others) in court - then it'll be execution time.

Cindy

DavidB, you poor sap... (Below threshold)
Clem:


DavidB, you poor sap. Nothing terrorist (terist, in your lingo) happening whem murka goes on a wholesale murderous rampage against them pesky foreigners (ferners, to you) in Iraq (eyerak) and gord knows where next. Murka the pure.....bullshit!

re ADrivel 04:27 PM <... (Below threshold)
Clem:

re ADrivel 04:27 PM

So in your estimation some "good guys" flew those planes into the WTC and the Pentagon. Death to them nasty bad guys, says you, good guys make excellent murderers...er, executioners....no, wait, you meant collateral damagers, or was it freedom friers...oops, fighters.

Bottom line for you right-wing ravers is....murka can do no wrong. Only murkans have gord on their side.
How do they know this? 'Cause they hear gord speaking inside their tiny, malignant, warmongering heads.

Personally, I don’t care if... (Below threshold)
Big J:

Personally, I don’t care if they found Sadam in a Washington Starbucks. They caught the son-of-a motherless-goat, so what?! Next they need to find Sadam’s cousin Osamma bin hidin’. The two of them could make sweet camel love in a Turkish jail cell.

RE: Clem's post (March 10, ... (Below threshold)
AnonymousDrivel:

RE: Clem's post (March 10, 2005 10:07 PM)
So in your estimation some "good guys" flew those planes into the WTC and the Pentagon...

?

[Translation: Congratulations! You have me utterly speechless! I repeat, what are you talking about?]

Just to refresh your memory, see my first post:
AnonymousDrivel (March 10, 2005 03:20 AM) He [Hussein] was caught by the good guys and that's enough for me.

I don't know if I can be any clearer or that I should bother. Are you intentionally obtuse? Now, I've answered your question. Would you be kind enough to answer mine? Recall, "Why would you want to save the likes of Hussein, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mussolini...?".


Only murkans have gord on their side. How do they know this? 'Cause they hear gord speaking inside their tiny, malignant, warmongering heads.

I know not of this "gord" of which you speak. Enlighten me Oh Winged Inhabiter of Dark and Dreary Cave. However, when you swoop by, please have the courtesy of chirping clearly so that I may avoid the droppings.

ADrivel...""Why woul... (Below threshold)
Clem:


ADrivel...""Why would you want to save the likes of Hussein, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mussolini...?".

Stupid question! So they could get together for coffee and cigars with Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr and his idiot son.

Why do I get the feeling you're going to ask me for an explanation? Why only because you've identified yourself as a right-wing, murkan goof!

RE: Clem's post (March 11, ... (Below threshold)
AnonymousDrivel:

RE: Clem's post (March 11, 2005 01:46 AM)

So they could get together for coffee and cigars with Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr and his idiot son.

Did you forget Carter and Clinton intentionally? Let the record show that I hope someone (ANYONE; but, native Iraqis would be best) terminates Hussein because he and like tyrants are scourges to humanity, and Clem would like to save such tyrants so they can drink/smoke with select "murka[n]" Presidents.


Why do I get the feeling you're going to ask me for an explanation? Why only because you've identified yourself as a right-wing, murkan goof!

Question to part the first - could you please explain?

Question to part the second - where? I understand
you've tried to identify me as such but have done a pretty poor job of it. Nevertheless, let's say for the sake of argument I adopt the moniker - my Right foot is kickin' your Left cheek and turning it lovely shades of pink and yella'... and I'm not even using my steel-toed boots! [No innuendo, please.]
Question the retread since some of us continue to avoid addressing the point - why do you reflexively refute the military (an imperfect institution that tries to correct its errors) and accept its opponents (in this case, both MSM that did not corroborate its scurrilous report and the highly dubious original source)? I'll let the Saddam tangent slide because it's pretty clear you don't have answers and prefer to twist clarity into confusion.

ADrivel, the record ... (Below threshold)
Clem:


ADrivel, the record shows so far that you're a right-wing mental midget with a demented self-righteous lust for human blood.

How many innocent Iraqi children, women and men have you wasted or are you just another 4F jerk getting his jollies from a video war game?

RE: Clem's post (March 11, ... (Below threshold)
AnonymousDrivel:

RE: Clem's post (March 11, 2005 12:05 PM)

ADrivel, the record shows so far that you're a right-wing mental midget...

Hey, we agree. I too think everyone will be able to read "the record" just fine.

...with a demented self-righteous lust for human blood.

Um, yes, I feel fairly (51%:49%) confident in saying that I think I am a better person than Saddam Hussein. In fact, I could probably wipe out a major metropolitan area and still be more likely to be sainted than Saddam.

How many innocent Iraqi children, women and men have you wasted or are you just another 4F jerk getting his jollies from a video war game?

Is there a choice "C"? Could I substitute an essay answer instead? Decisions, decisions. You may have to make one.

Now that you've thrown your tantrum, are you ever going to answer any question I have posed? Surely you have something better than anything a "right-wing mental midget" could conjur?

Sorry ADrivel, I onl... (Below threshold)
Clem:


Sorry ADrivel, I only answer questions posed by "good guys" and you happen to be a thoroughly boring creep.

Adios asshole!

"How could we all have been... (Below threshold)
Open Window:

"How could we all have been so blind to what's going on in our own country that we have to be told the truth by some clueless anonymous Euroturd!"

Up to this ponit McGehee you point was illuminating. I did express that I was not trying to belittle or come across in a condescending tone in fact I am avoid the offensive tac most often used for supposed discourse. I am only interested in truth, a kind of truth that is only found within.

I really think the on most important fact out of the last 2/3 years is that we cannot, anymore believe what we are feed by our elected representatives. They have spent so long in the political system that by the time they reach the no.1 political post in what ever government they are so completely comprimised that its too late. They are past being useful and only serve to perpetuate a very unbalanced and oppressive system.

Here it is again,

"What is it about this post that has attracted the most illiterate, illogical, and down right dumb moonbats? Care to answer: defenestrate? open window? clem?"

This is the kind of statement which somehow seems to qualify itself and justify its relevance by just being offensive and insulting. some believe that this is debate. I say its only an opinion and that fact it is framed within a question means that the questioner is not sure of their own ability to parse and undstand the wide variety of interpratations expressed here on this site.

I'll tell you what thouhg I shall dignify it with an answer to say that the reason people are so interested is that humanity on the whole is still a beautiful good thing. We all rely on the gentle humility of the billions who go about their lives support each one of us as we also go about our business and intersupport everyone else and so on in a never ending cycle.

Look. I have watched former US officials on Irish & Eurpenad Media be downright arrogant only ever resorting to bullying and offensive remarks aimed at the character of anyone who challenges the international policies and aggressions of the USA. Is it proper conduct for former US officials to tell people they are "stupid and to shut up". Is this reasonable, does this achieve anything? In my opinion. No.

We have now reached a point (sometimes I think we always there) that no matter what happens we are playing catch up in discovering and understanding the lies & decit executed by some of the most internatinally powerfull corporations and more worryingly governments of the planet.

No matter how good our media has become in the last 100 year, no matter how good our information technology has become, in 2004 non embed journalists in a war zone cannot leave there hotels and report on what is esentially for all intense purposes a "WW III".

now I know that I have called this WWIII and everyone in this post is going to jump all over my post go ahead flail your arms about and shout you head off. When you have finished you can then read on and I#ll explain

So we all thouhgt that WW III was going to be nuclear USA Vs USSR. That was mostly a product of powerful proopganda on the part of the USA. If you want to justufy the best military spending programs or the largest and most capable killing systems deployed on the planet. then all you have to do is keep you population in FEAR.

Its very simply scared people will trust whoever those who declare in a most forceful was (i.e. with an army behind their back) in times of uncertainty.

Yet the media have failed to class this war anytime but "IRAQ Freedom" which was only the US militaries code name for the operation.

By so many of the US Media giants rolling in behind the Governments spin they are essentially trading any hint of impartiallity and assuming the role of a limp governmental mouthpiece.

Indeed European, well why stop there, international media have not been perfect either. thats why the internet is so important.

Since I have been a child of I have seen so many explicit images of human suffering around the world beam in via news media.The one thing I know from this is the majority of human suffering is inflicted by humans (with he expceptions of extra ordinary natural disasters).

This is an undeniable truth.

So when it comes to the capture of Saddam another one of the many talismaneque Boogey Men who are held up by the US administration as public enemy No.1 you can never truly believe it and the events.

Why cause its hard to believe the "pot calling the kettle black". Killers calling in "killers".

Its takes on to know one.

If you fear that I am being illogical or display the kinds behavour of a monnbate then I think fear you have something to lose. Whats worse is I don't think you know exactly what it is you have to lose?

Fear anyone?

1. Current and former membe... (Below threshold)
PD:

1. Current and former members of the military and the Marines cannot find
any record of the existence of a Nadim Abou Rabeh.

1. Ask the DOD you idiot and not to "current and former members"! The
Marines are more than 160.000. Do "current and former members that
you spoke with know all these 160.000, you dummy?

2. No Marine units were in the vicinity of the area where Saddam was
captured.

2a. Do you know it for sure? Who says that? DOD? Do you really believe
that this incredibly stupid statement is a "proof"?

3 According to DOD records, no Marines were killed during that time
frame, either the day before, day of or day after.

3a. You are really an idiot. If the DOD and the pentagon wanted
to stage Saddam's capture, they wouldn't put the killing of
a Marine during the REAL capture "on the records", would they? Unless
they are TOTALLY stupid like you, of course.

4 These pictures the US flags on the shoulders of the soldiers
holding Saddam, the Marine Corps does not put flags on their
uniforms.

You are undisputably a complete idiot. The ex-marine is claiming that
the capture was STAGED the day AFTER. Those poeple in the pictures are
therefore ACTORS and not the REAL people involved in the capture the
day before. It then follows that it is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT what fucking
uniform with or without the fucking american flags, they were wearing.
It aslo follow that you are a complete imbecile. The DOD has lied
many times in the past: WMD, Saddam Statue, Jessica Lynch. The
circumstances of Saddam's capture were truly ridicoulous: Saddy with a
Santa-Claus bear digged in a whole with 500.000 bucks. Only american
could by this garbage.

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