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Report Says Military Leaders Didn't Order Prison Abuse

This is hardly shocking news, but a probe into prisoner abuse found no basis for claims that interrogators were acting on orders from their commanders.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Top commanders in Iraq put intense pressure on interrogators to extract useful intelligence information from prisoners, yet that does not explain the sexual humiliation and other abuse of prisoners under U.S. control, an investigation has concluded.

The report by Navy Vice Adm. Albert T. Church said the pressure was not excessive. The investigation could find no "single, overarching reason" why prisoners under U.S. control were abused at the Abu Ghraib prison complex in fall 2003 and elsewhere in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Command pressure for more intelligence was to be expected in a battlefield setting, Church wrote.

"We found no evidence, however, that interrogators in Iraq believed that any pressure for intelligence subverted their obligation to treat detainees humanely," he wrote in a summary of his findings.

Interestingly the review was completed last summer and wasn't publicly released.


Comments (19)

The military has absolved i... (Below threshold)

The military has absolved itself of any responsiblity---you're right, Kevin, that's not the least bit shocking.

Seeing that the people reso... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

Seeing that the people resonsible for committing the crime are now in prison I would hardly call that "absolving itself from responsibility". Just because the left constantly repeats the meme of "institutional torture" for events that happened on one night in a prison doesn't make it true.

The people responsible are ... (Below threshold)

The people responsible are not in prison. they are in the highest offices of the West Wing.

Claiming these events happened "on one night" is a blatant falsehood. Not even the Pentagon whitewash makes that bald-faced of a lie.

Blah blah blah blah. Blah, ... (Below threshold)
Don "blah blah" Myers:

Blah blah blah blah. Blah, blah blah. Blah!

Please, list the dates asso... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

Please, list the dates associated with the abuses. To date, all the instances occurred in one night according to the court records and the various investigations. It is not a blatant lie. It's been testified too over and over again. You are the one spouting lies without a single bit of proof. Just more spouting of the lies of the left.

So far you are simply repeating unproven lies told to you by those obsessed with their anti-Semitic, elitist attitudes that are determined that the sub-humans know their place in subjugation. After all, Arabs are incapable of understanding freedom...at least that's what I keep hearing from the Left.

Who went to jail for the Wa... (Below threshold)
tb:

Who went to jail for the Waco atrocities? Oh yeah, they are walking aropund collecting millions and living the high life.

Where were all these punish the abuser posters back then?

tb:Who went to ... (Below threshold)

tb:

Who went to jail for the Waco atrocities?

Most of the people who were responsible for the Waco atrocities---the fundamentalist religious nutjobs with the hostages and the guns---have already gone to their final reward.

Always quick to change the subject when the facts aren't going your way, aren't you?

f+1:

Please, list the dates associated with the abuses. To date, all the instances occurred in one night according to the court records and the various investigations.

While I harbor no illusions of penetrating your faith-based, truth-proof armor, I am more than happy to provide you with some documentation that shows how mis-informed you are.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1382033,00.html

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/080504B.shtml

BTW f+1, exactly what</i... (Below threshold)

BTW f+1, exactly what "court documents are you refering to?

When all that crap started ... (Below threshold)
firstbrokenangel:

When all that crap started at Abu Ghraib prison, I never believed the higher ups placed any orders to scart that kind of so called "torture" nor the release of photos from one of the gang getting loose on the public. Remember they were reservists and certainly not ready for this kind of commission never mind finding themselves in a war, so it just goes to show that their fear of the Iraqi prisoners was greater than their ability to lead. Too bad, too, gives us a bad name.

Cindy

"While I harbor no illusion... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

"While I harbor no illusions of penetrating your faith-based, truth-proof armor, I am more than happy to provide you with some documentation that shows how mis-informed you are."

There you go making assumptions again. I happen to be an atheist...hence the Faith+1 play on words (ala an obscure South Park reference)

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

The article refers to the incidents committed by SPC Darby and company. As I stated those incidents occurred in one night during an illegal party. The female in question was actually on site AGAINST orders to stay away from her boyfriend's party.

The other postings are all references to the same incident. It's been played up as an ongoing series of incidents when in reality it was one. Just because it is repeated over and over doesn't mean it happened multiple times. All the incidents sited in your articles occured on Nov 8, 2003. It was Seymour Hersh who started the meme that was more than one incident.

http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/001989.html

One other thing. Additiona... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

One other thing. Additional Abu Gharib meme spreading was done by 60 Minutes II. Reported by guess what now forced to retire new anchor because he used faked documents?

Bonus points in guessing who the producer of the Abu Gharib story was--that's right, the same Ms Mapes fired for using forged documents on a phony story.

"BTW f+1, exactly what "cou... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

"BTW f+1, exactly what "court documents are you refering to?"

The fact you have to asked tells me you are just blindly spewing talking points and have done no research.

1) Taguba's Senate testimony
2) England's court martial testimony
3) The records from the court martial of Graner and Frederick

Also, I think the fact that... (Below threshold)
Just Me:

Also, I think the fact that the pictures were on personal cameras of those involved is pretty telling.

Not to mention that to date non of the accused has actually named names in regards to who was telling them to do this stuff from higher up.

As much as the left doesn't want to admit it, the abu Graib stuff really was a group of loose cannons with crappy leadership.

I am still kind of ticked off that to date none of the officers over these people have been held accountable for their inability to lead and control their troops.

f+1The article ... (Below threshold)

f+1

The article refers to the incidents committed by SPC Darby and company. As I stated those incidents occurred in one night during an illegal party....The other postings are all references to the same incident.

If you'd read the links I gave you, you'd have seen references to 70 different incidents at Aby Ghrab, plus incidents at other locations in Iraq and at Gitmo.

Instead you decided to cut and paste some O'Reilly talking points.

Well done! You've demonstrated the intellectual bankruptcy of the Fox-addled right wing better than I ever could.

The military has absolve... (Below threshold)
Boyd:

The military has absolved itself of any responsiblity---you're right, Kevin, that's not the least bit shocking.

Easy to say, hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet. You're disparaging the honor of everyone with your smart-assed wisecrack there, Myers. Ain't you so cute.

Fuck you, Don. You don't like our military, go fucking live somewhere else where they have one more to your liking.

Fucking idiot.

Disparaging the honor of ev... (Below threshold)
Boyd:

Disparaging the honor of everyone in the military, that is.

In the heat of the moment of listening to this knucklehead painting the military with his '60s era brush of hatred, I had one of those RCOB moments DuToit talks about.

But that's okay. I'll take the heat, especially since it gives me another opportunity to say:

Fuck you, Myers.

Boyd sweetie darling:... (Below threshold)

Boyd sweetie darling:

You don't think the military has disparaged its own honor by engaging in torture and acting like gansters in a for-profit occupation?

Of course, that's the kind of logic I expect from someone who thinks I sign all my comments with my first and last name so I can hide "behind the anonymity of the Internet."

I love you too, Schmoopie...

More details come to light ... (Below threshold)

More details come to light on how the military is spreading democracy in Iraq:

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- A boy no older than 11 was among the children held by the Army at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, the former U.S. commander of the facility told a general investigating abuses at the prison....Military officials have said that no juvenile prisoners were subject to the abuses captured in photographs from Abu Ghraib. But some of the men shown being stripped naked and humiliated had been accused of raping a 14-year-old prisoner."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Iraq-Child-Detainees.html

I love you blind repub foll... (Below threshold)
Joser:

I love you blind repub followers. You'd be great assests to your community, if you were blindly following someone who was doing any good instead of spouting repub tag lines like moonbat. I wasn't aware of any Science breakthrough of their being bats on the moon, but you know, you guys are waaay ahead in your knowledge, so I'll leave that one alone.

Now, let's take a look at good ole Ablerto Gonzales. You know, the whole the Geneva Convention is quaint, so it's okay to turtore guy. Hmmmmm. Now why would somebody go out of their way to skirt something humane like the Geneva Convention. Hmmmmm. No, it couldn't be because we were trying to justify torture.
No? Well, obviously, if we were concerned about people being tortured, we'd do something about it as soon as it happened. I must admit that Alberto did just that. He made sure it could be covered up so that everyday Joe's like you and me wouldn't hear about it until way after the fact.
Oh wait, and when did the government "do" anything about the torture that they were aware of happening? Could that have been way after the fact because the public found out about it? No, that couldn't be the reason. Oh, and now way after the fact, the Geneva Convention is no longer quaint. Could that be because the poeople found out and didn't like that attitude. Nooooooo.....

You guys are being played by the one whom you swear allegiance to. He's laughing all the way to the bank in the process.




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