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Quote Of The Day - Terri Schiavo Edition

"I'm hopeful these men and women can get a strategy, get a focus, because we're running out of time."

David Gibbs, attorney for Bob and Mary Schindler, commenting on lawmakers in Washington and Tallahassee's efforts to force Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be reinserted.


Comments (32)

This is one of the most dep... (Below threshold)
SATerp:

This is one of the most depressing stories of the day, in the number of people who seem to think that it's perfectly okay to starve a woman to death because she's...inconvenient.

Funny, I thought they were ... (Below threshold)
Phil:

Funny, I thought they were starving her to death because she's brain dead.

It's actually depressing because it hasn't happened a lot sooner.

Her husband treated her fin... (Below threshold)

Her husband treated her fine until about three months after a lawsuit that netted $1.4 million for her care and $600,000 for him for loss of her companionship. There may have been cash gifts from various charities for her care, also, so that's at least two million reasons why he'd be dedicated to her before the lawsuit and then remember she wanted to die after he cashed the check.

If he knew she wanted to die, why did he sue for the money for her care?

Why did he not "remember" that she wanted to die until after he got the cash?

Why is he intent on having her body cremated after she dies?

Why has he resisted for years to having more sophisticated, detailed scans of his wife's brain?

He's not spending his money for her care. She's in a
hospice (less regulated than a nursing home and a lower quality of care ). Medicaid is paying the bill. His lawyer is on the Hospice Board. (Gee, that's a coincidence.)

There's evidence of medicare fraud and guardianship fraud in this case, plus systematic efforts by the husband to kill off his wife by withdrawing therapy, medical attention or even basic care. A toothbrush costs a buck and a half, but Terri had teeth pulled because of decay.
Her condition is amazing for a person who got as little care as she did for more than 10 years.

I think he needs her dead because her body is evidence that he had abused her and may have had a hand in her illness. I dont know why the judge is so determined to kill her either.

noname, you need to stop ge... (Below threshold)
Brian:

noname, you need to stop getting your news from random people posting inaccurate ramblings in blog comments.

Brian: maybe you should re... (Below threshold)
-S-:

Brian: maybe you should read more.

Nice roundup of legal docum... (Below threshold)
AnonymousDrivel:

Nice roundup of legal documents:

Terri Schiavo Case: Legal Documents

The documents describe the process up to now and include references. It is a good historical record and the only one that is valid. Their conclusions are based on provable evidence and not the hearsay and innuendo of partisans of either flavor. It is the best record we will ever have. Review it all.

Phil, all you Liberals are ... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Phil, all you Liberals are brain dead, and I don't see anyone starving you to death.

If we treated a terrorist the way Terri's being treated -- slow starvation with the Judge Dread even prohibiting ice chips to wet her lips -- the Liberal moonbats would be screaming from the rafters. Imagine the psychology of a group of people who believe in killing unborn babies and innocent invalids, but oppose killing murderers.

RE: Jim's post (March 19, 2... (Below threshold)
AnonymousDrivel:

RE: Jim's post (March 19, 2005 07:07 AM)
...slow starvation with the Judge Dread even prohibiting ice chips to wet her lips...

I have a theory on why this has been imposed. There is a chance that the ice chips will be used to wet her lips as well as keep her fully and continually hydrated. The continued hydration will prolong her life (or death) since it is the lack of water than will cause her death before the metabolism of all of her available and catalyzable energy sources (i.e. sugar/fat/protein) ceases. This extension may or may not result in the extension pain but rest assured that the water would extend her life. Were I a betting person, I'd wager someone might decide to provide lots of ice chips.

Personally, I'd allow the ice chips to ease her comfort with full recognition that it might extend life a bit. My hope (perhaps misguided) would be that she not experience extended pain should this intervention extend her bodily processes. Since death would be inevitable, comfort her to the best of our abilities.

PhilLooks like you... (Below threshold)
Red:

Phil

Looks like you nead to read a lot more also. If this was done to the thousands of seniors in nursing homes that are in similar situations, it would be murder.

If we treated a death row inmate like this the ACLU would be screaming bloody murder. If we kept one meal from the rerrorist at Gitmo or Abu Ghraib the ACLU would be doing likewise.

Maybe we should petition Congress to allow "starvation" as a legal form of the death penalty? Does anyone not think the liberal response will be that it is "cruel & unusual" punishment?

Maybe you Libs should either look up the definition of brain dead before you ignorantly used it. You may also want to read about a story before you incorrectly make a comment about someone's condition.

How is it that the Left will defend a convicted murderer/rapist from the death penalty but be all for an innocent victim being killed by starvation? Who knew they and the Democratic Party was the "Party of Death."

Phil said: "Funny, I though... (Below threshold)
Teri:

Phil said: "Funny, I thought they were starving her to death because she's brain dead."

She's not brain dead, she's brain inadequate. Brain dead means no mental function whatsoever, flatlined.

In order to call Terri Schiavo brain dead, you have to completely redefine what brain dead means.

Then who goes next: people with CP? people who have had strokes? people that can't clearly articulate a preference?

What a brilliant solution to so many problems - medicaid, social security/SSI, health care crisis . . .

Yeah, Phil, I think you really get it.


Another good site for an ob... (Below threshold)
GSR:

Another good site for an objective review of the entire case is at Abstract Appeal: http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

In the end, I only hope that what happens (or doesn't happen) is what Terri Shaivo wants. It's not about what I want, or you want or the Congress wants or the Pope, etc. It's about what Terri wants, something we can only speculate and infer but will never truly know.

Get a Living Will.

God does not need feeding t... (Below threshold)
minnie:

God does not need feeding tubes to save Terri. God does not need Bill Frist's assistance. God can instantly restore those parts of Terri's brain that have been obliterated, if He really wants to, and she could be dancing around later this morning.

I think you all are just not praying hard enough. Either that or you've pissed Him off somehow.

Bark bark bark bark bark ba... (Below threshold)
minnie the moonbat:

Bark bark bark bark bark bark bark bark.

Bark!

A couple more <a href="http... (Below threshold)
mantis:

A couple more quotes for the day:

ABC News obtained talking points circulated among Senate Republicans explaining why they should vote to intervene in the Schiavo case. Among them, that it is an important moral issue and the "pro-life base will be excited," and that it is a "great political issue — this is a tough issue Democrats."

Do you have a copy of the t... (Below threshold)
Julie:

Do you have a copy of the talking points? Do you know who authored them? Oh, and you forgot to emphasize this part:

When asked about these talking points on "Good Morning America," DeLay said, "I don't know where those talking points come from, and I think they're disgusting."

Do you have a copy of th... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Do you have a copy of the talking points? Do you know who authored them? Oh, and you forgot to emphasize this part:

You know, since I don't work at ABC and I'm not in the Senate, I don't. Sorry for linking a news story based on things I don't have here at home with me, that was quite irresponsible. And, no I didn't forget to emphasize what Delay said, as I tend not to believe a word the man says.

mantis: and I would guess t... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:

mantis: and I would guess that many of us tend not to believe a word that you say.

Julie: I know it's difficult, but the trolls should not be fed. When hungry, they will soon slither back to DU or Kos or wherever they hide. Some hope: It appears that those in Congress who care about innocent lives have got their stuff together and will soon get this issue in the federal courts where it belongs. Regards.

You know, since I don't ... (Below threshold)
Julie:

You know, since I don't work at ABC and I'm not in the Senate, I don't.

In other words, you have no personal knowledge that these talking points actually exist, or if they do, there authenticity.

And, no I didn't forget to emphasize what Delay said . . .

But, you went out of your way to emphasize that which you had no proof.

. . . as I tend not to believe a word the man says

That's why I asked you for a copy of the talking points since I tend not to believe a word you say.

Okay, talking points are a ... (Below threshold)
Just Me:

Okay, talking points are a common occurance in politics, shoot Terry McCaulliffe, Susan Estrich and Bob Beckel don't leave hom without the DNC ones.

So as talking points go, are those points actually wrong?

I mean this is an important moral issue, and I would agree that the pro life base will react positively to congress doing something-just as the base on the left get excited, when the DNC does something they support.

As for the issue hurting democrats-maybe-maybe not, but I don't know that the dems voting against the bill will help them appeal to people who are pro life moderates, so this situation is probably nuetral for the dems.

In other words, you have... (Below threshold)
mantis:

In other words, you have no personal knowledge that these talking points actually exist, or if they do, there authenticity.

Yes, and I claimed none, I simply linked to a news story.

But, you went out of your way to emphasize that which you had no proof.

Once again, just quoted a news story. Boy am I tired from going so far out of my way to do that.

That's why I asked you for a copy of the talking points since I tend not to believe a word you say.

Good for you. It's good to be skeptical. But since I made no claims to its authenticity, and in fact no claims at all, I'm not sure what it is I said that you're not believing.

In any case do you think that the members of Congress (Rep. and Dem.) who have decided to insert themselves into this case are not doing so for political reasons, at least in part? I think that would be pretty naive, talking points or no.

But since I made no clai... (Below threshold)
Julie:

But since I made no claims to its authenticity, and in fact no claims at all

The fact you posted a link contradicts your above statement.

Once again, just quoted a news story. Boy am I tired from going so far out of my way to do that.

You quoted part of a newstory which you carefully edited to put republicans in a bad light. Of course, you're not tired since you have so much experience doing it.

But since I made no claims to its authenticity, and in fact no claims at all, I'm not sure what it is I said that you're not believing.

Everything.

In any case do you think that the members of Congress (Rep. and Dem.) who have decided to insert themselves into this case are not doing so for political reasons, at least in part?

You mean like you are?

I think that would be pretty naive, talking points or no.

Actually, what is naive is you thinking anyone would believe your denials.

Mantis there is many a day ... (Below threshold)
Just Me:

Mantis there is many a day when I think the members of congress can't even wipe their butts without considering first how it could affect them politically.

Excuse me, Julie, for some ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Excuse me, Julie, for some reason I forgot engaging with you in any way is an utter waste of time.

Unfortunately, it never see... (Below threshold)
Julie:

Unfortunately, it never seems to stop you. lol!

Anyway, you call what you posted "engagement"? You post your snarky little hit piece - one of thousands. Get called on it. Give some bs excuse. Get mad when it won't work. And now you're acting all indignant? You're a laugh a minute, mantis. Even if we don't "engage." Eww, that sounds so dirty!

Ok, first off, I'm a republ... (Below threshold)
Phil:

Ok, first off, I'm a republican. Hate to scare those who assume I'm a liberal democrat.

Second, I used the term "brain dead" meaning and individual who was suffering irreversible loss of major functions of the brain - not in the technical "no electrical activity in the brain" but in the sense.

This whole argument can be broken down into several issues, but the big one(s) for me are a) what is life and b) what one wants out of my life.

Life, to me, is being able to function, under my own power and means.

If I have a surgery that requires life support - for a limited time - ok. All signs point to the life support as a temporary means of sustaining myself while I recuperate. However, 15 years of feeding tubes and sustaining of my body via artificial means is not life. It's rather clear to most people (Republican or Democrat, Left or Right) that she will NEVER lead a "normal" life again, let alone be able to function as a self supporting individual. Ever.

Next, what one wants out of life? Teri stated to her husband (so the claim goes) she didn't want to be living in such a state for an extended period of time. As her husband, he has legal guardian rights to execute her wishes. We do not have the right to go around preaching when a person can die. Nor do we have the right to ignore someone’s views on life support. If they don’t want to be kept alive, so be it. In my view – that’s it – case closed.

I feel no sympathy, no pity, for the mom who wants to "keep her alive" so she can comb her hair and put makeup on her - all the while Teri drools a little more and rapidly blinks. Furthermore, I'm not an individual who believes in saving a "life" simply because an individual craps their pants, drools, has apple sauce fed to them but can’t tell the difference between reality and what’s floating around in their head.

To me, that's not life. And this is why I feel it’s about damn time they let her die.


"Teri stated to her husband... (Below threshold)

"Teri stated to her husband (so the claim goes) she didn't want to be living in such a state for an extended period of time."

He has such a financial conflict of interest and has been with another partner for so long, that anything he says just can't be taken at face value. She never "said" that to anyone else.

Conservatives, go to the ho... (Below threshold)
darryl:

Conservatives, go to the houston chronicle dot.com sight. Texas Children's hospital just took a breathing tube out of a baby.

Where is the Senate, House, Delay, Frist?

Oops, never mind, the baby was black.

In the Houston case:<... (Below threshold)
darryl:

In the Houston case:

The tubes were removed because for the first time a U.S. COURT has "allowed a hospital to discontinue an infant's life sustaining care against the parent's wishes".

Where is the Conservative outrage? Bush hasn't spoken out, Frist hasn't spoken out, Delay hasn't spoken out, no Congressional motions or bills, no Senate motions or bills.

Why????????

Things that make you go hmmmmmm.


Isn't it illegal to starve ... (Below threshold)
Nan:

Isn't it illegal to starve oneself to death? When someone in jail tries to starve themself to death, aren't they force fed? I thought that suicide was illegal. If this is her wish then isn't she committing a crime? She may, according to her husband, want to die, but starvation is not a legal means of doing this. Are the courts saying that it now is? If she wasn't on a respirator and breathing on her own, she was not dying. When the courts assist in murder, where does that end? Those who think that this is justice should remember that they one day may be the recipients of such "justice".

Isn't it illegal to starve ... (Below threshold)
Nan:

Isn't it illegal to starve oneself to death? When someone in jail tries to starve themself to death, aren't they force fed? I thought that suicide was illegal. If this is her wish then isn't she committing a crime? She may, according to her husband, want to die, but starvation is not a legal means of doing this. Are the courts saying that it now is? If she wasn't on a respirator and breathing on her own, she was not dying. When the courts assist in murder, where does that end? Those who think that this is justice should remember that they one day may be the recipients of such "justice".

""Teri stated to her husban... (Below threshold)
jess:

""Teri stated to her husband (so the claim goes) she didn't want to be living in such a state for an extended period of time."

He has such a financial conflict of interest and has been with another partner for so long, that anything he says just can't be taken at face value. She never "said" that to anyone else."

Yes, she did. Have you read the court transcripts? Furthermore, it was the courts who decided to take out her feeding tube. Michael Schiavo asked the courts to decide what Terri would want. A hearing was held and witnesses stated what they knew Terri had said. People from both sides took the stand. Then medical evidence was presented as to her medical condition and whether she would want to be "living" that way. It was determined she would not have wanted to live that way based on many things she said, and not only to Michael. The standard which was used in deciding this was "clear and convincing evidence." That is the highest burden of proof in our legal system. Schiavo's parents have never been able to meet that standard...in ANY of their hearings, appeals, etc...

You can't treat a dog like ... (Below threshold)
God's Child:

You can't treat a dog like what Teri's husband is doing to her.




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