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Two Public Figures Beat Hasty Retreats

The first openly gay Episcopal bishop, Bishop V. Gene Robinson, had to do some serious damage control today over this remark:

"Interestingly enough, in this day of traditional family values and so on, this man that we follow ... was single as far as we know; who traveled with a bunch of men, although there were lots of women around; who had a disciple who was known as 'the one whom Jesus loved'; who said my family is not my mother and father, my family are those who do the will of God - none of us like those harsh words. That's who Jesus is, that's who he was, at least in his earthly life
[Mockingly] Gee, whatever could he mean?

Elsewhere Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) had to do serious damage control over these remarks:

I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. Certainly nothing new, but we seem to have run through a spate of courthouse violence recently that's been on the news and I wonder whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters on some occasions where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in - engage in violence.
[Mockingly, again] Ditto.

Both men employed the meager, "that's not what I meant" defense - poorly. It didn't take a Little Orphan Annie secret decoder ring to figure out what they really meant.

Related: It looks like Wednesday is going to be a particularly crappy day for Representative Tom DeLay. Dual Drudge headlines is never a good sign...


Comments (18)

I've always considered men ... (Below threshold)
McCain:

I've always considered men of power to arrive by means of hard work and good fortune. Brains are not part of this 2-variable equation.

On Delay:The "cons... (Below threshold)

On Delay:

The "consulting fees to family" story is a hatchet job (the fees appear to be eminently reasonable --- even meager), but what does the man expect? In both instances, we see than a man who SHOULD understand perfectly well that people are aiming at his head, yet insists on engaging in controversial (reckless?) behavior. If he travels to Russia under the circumstances he did, does he not expect that its expense is going to be scoured? This to me is just another example of supreme arrogance.

I admire the man, but like Newt, it's no good when the messenger becomes the story. He's becoming a distraction.

Later Robinson said: ``T... (Below threshold)
-S-:

Later Robinson said: ``Those who would posit the nuclear family as the be-all and end-all of God's creation probably don't find that much in the Gospels to support that.


That'd be the version of the Gospels that Robinson has knowledge of, from some other religion, certainly not that of Christianity from the New Testament.

Otherwise, Robinson is admitting that he knows little to nothing about the New Testament. That'd be, "the Gospels."

I think it's a combination of both of those.

Robinson and followers atte... (Below threshold)
-S-:

Robinson and followers attempt to sexualize Jesus Christ, and seem to have real problems comprehending his Divinity. As they do Priests on this earth who are representatives of Christ among us. And so, they sexualize in even the most gravest of distortions the Holiest and therein lies both the problem created by Robinson and those who reason (?) has he does, and the encroaching demeanment about Holiness and Christianity. It's a sorta humanism-on-demand approach toward Christianity, the expectation that Christ should be compelled to come down off the cross, to compromise with some because that's what they demand. Satan did the same thing.

I know a lot of people have problems understanding what I just wrote, believing in the references (some of them) I just used. I'm sorry. Try.

[Please, nonbelievers, igno... (Below threshold)
goddessoftheclassroom:

[Please, nonbelievers, ignore this rather than attack the premise of belief.]

I am still outraged that Gene Robinson was ever ordained. Talk about legislating by fiat; the election was contrary to the rubric (procedures) spelled out in the Book of Common Prayer. As I read somewhere else concerning gay "marriage," if that's what the people, or in this case, the church, wants, change the law or rubric FIRST, don't go around it.

If the Bible is believed to be the eternal Word of God, a church can't go back and reinterpret it to suit modern sinners whose self-esteem is wounded by being called sinners. Why else did Jesus suffer?

Robinsons statements reveal exactly why his election was a mistake. An unrepetenet sinner (as defined by the doctrine of the Church) has no place in a pulpit; add dissembling to the list of his dishonesties. The "That's who Jesus is, that's who he was, at least in his earthly life" argurment discounts the Gospel's account of his birth and youth, and even his first miracle at the wedding in Cana (He changed the water into wine when his mother, Mary, told him to). Jesus grew up and was nutured in a "traditional family." His ministry required total commitment; it would not be fair to a wife and children (which is one of the reasons the Church required priests to be celebate).

This man is not worth the potential split facing the Episcopal Church.

goddess-even more so, many ... (Below threshold)
Just Me:

goddess-even more so, many Episcople/Anglican churches in the US and around the world are still teed off at his election, his comments will just give them more ammunition.

Honestly, he should have known better, and his lame apology isn't going to do much to change those minds he has made angry at his comments.

I don't think it is fair to... (Below threshold)

I don't think it is fair to suggest that Cornyn was somehow condoning violence or that he was somehow saying these judges get what they asked for...

Basically, it was just a poor choice of words in his original comment.

And regarding the comment...is it not logical that some crazies out there may think that judicial activism is so out of control that they are compelled to resort to violence? That is all he was saying...its an observation about a sad situation...Cornyn would be one of the first to condemn violence against the bench given his background, and I join him in that condemnation.

I agree with you all about ... (Below threshold)
Sarah:

I agree with you all about Robinson. These comments make it clear to me that he and those who support him want to change the Church and what we believe, no matter how much damage it causes. It's the height of egoism. They want it, and they'll do whatever it takes to get it.

Kevin Aylward writes... (Below threshold)
s9:

Kevin Aylward writes: It looks like Wednesday is going to be a particularly crappy day for Representative Tom DeLay.

Careful there, Kevin. You're coming dangerously close to crossing the line set down by Morton Blackwell. In the future, your conservative credentials will be judged based on where you stand on the defense of Tom DeLay.

Better to just ignore the unfolding DeLay scandal and pretend that naked pop stars are much more important.

That'd be the version of... (Below threshold)

That'd be the version of the Gospels that Robinson has knowledge of, from some other religion, certainly not that of Christianity from the New Testament.

Wonderful -- first U.S. Supreme Court justices are interpreting our Constitution in the light of forreign laws, and now a Christian bishop is interpreting the Bible in light of other religions' teachings.

Oy.

As for Cornyn, the thing is... (Below threshold)

As for Cornyn, the thing is that sometimes people prefer not to think before they speak, because it takes away the element of surprise.

[looking significantly at S9]

McGehee:But . . . ... (Below threshold)
julie:

McGehee:

But . . . but . . . s9 puts his life on the line each time he comes to Wizbang and is exposed to naked pop stars. It's like xrays, McGehee. Too much will kill him. (He reminds me of the mullahs who believe women's hair emit rays that drive men insane.)

The ordination of V Gene Ro... (Below threshold)
OregonMuse:

The ordination of V Gene Robinson has set in motion forces that are are threatening to split apart the Anglican Church.

Meanwhile,

(He reminds me of the mullahs who believe women's hair emit rays that drive men insane.)

Seeing how much the photo of a naked pop tart seemingly turns many Wizbangers into horny 13-year-old boys, I can almost believe this myself.

Regarding Bishop Robinson, ... (Below threshold)
Mikey:

Regarding Bishop Robinson, he's indulging in narcissism, and darn near idolatry. Man is claimed to be made in the image of God. He's turning it around into God being made in the image of man, specifically himself. He's near to wroshipping himself. Not very pleasant to watch in action.

actually i've run across so... (Below threshold)

actually i've run across some very readable reports that Jesus might have had an affair with mary magdelen. Does it really detract from the story? Possibly, we'll never know because we'll never know the extent of anything. The Gospel writers never included it because it really didn't push forth the story of Jesus as God's son.

If you’re really interested... (Below threshold)
alcuin:

If you’re really interested in what Bishop Robinson said at Christ Church of Hamilton and Wenham (Massachusetts), quit goofing around and go hear it for yourself! The church has posted 4 Mp3 recordings of his comments, “Homosexuality and the Body of Christ: Is There a New Way?”, and the following panel discussion on its website at http://www.christchurchhw.org/

Henry...I think to what you... (Below threshold)
-S-:

Henry...I think to what you refer as to those "reports" about Jesus, as they attempt to allege, had sexual intimacy with Mary Magdalene...again I write, this is a great example of what the Episcopalian "minister/bishop"/whatever is actually engaged in: he applies his own character onto that of Jesus Christ and then insists that that application is Jesus Christ, indicates Christ, represents Christ, not vice versa.

Jesus Christ undoubtedly had an overwhelming love for Mary Magdalene. SOME humans just have to interpret that as therefore being a sexual relationship.

However, Jesus Christ also had and has an overwhelming love for mankind and creation, also His own family (God and the Holy Spirit)...so much so that He gave His life for the sins of all.

He also assigned to human standards the beloved and quite holy Mother Mary. She was, although the Mother of God, yes, still a human being and Jesus made that clear during his suffering and death.

Some persons have such difficult accepting the Divinity of Jesus Christ, but that's who He is: Divine. I believe that His love for Mary Magdalene surpassed all others but why some people have to assume that that, therefore, implied or assigns sexuality to their relationship, to the Love for Mary Magdalene that Jesus felt and feels, is just another great example of humanism being forced upon the Divine. And that's profane.

Yeah, Henry, sometimes a ci... (Below threshold)
julie:

Yeah, Henry, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.




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