A couple of times before, I've written about Killington, Vermont's attempts to secede from Vermont and join New Hampshire to escape what they view as abusive, confiscatory, unfair taxes.
Apparently, the thought is spreading. Sunapee, New Hampshire, is a small town of about 3,000 people in the Monadnock region of the state (south-western area). They are part of Sullivan County, but want the state to allow them to secede and join Merrimack County. Their beef: they get about 2% of county services, have about 8% of the county's population, and pay about 25% of the county's taxes. They feel they're being exploited, and want it to stop.
In a similar vein, McGehee notes that Alaska is considering a law that would require cities and towns that wish to annex outlying areas to gain the assent of those who actually would be subsumed. Apparently under current Alaska law, these municipalities can find a wealthy area around them and just grab them into their tax base without even a by-your-leave, and this has aggravated some of those who have been assimilated into the collectives.
Both these moves are, to me, good things. They show a return to grass-roots government, of people asserting their individual rights and standing up to what they perceive as abuses by bigger governments.
I'm gonna predict that Sunapee's case won't fly, based on New Hampshire's tendency to let things lie if they can possibly can. I think they'll win some concessions from Sullivan County, but they won't leave. And I don't know enough about Alaskan politics to even speculate, but I think I'll trust McGehee to keep us up to date.




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Hmmm.Well Sunapee ... (Below threshold)1. Posted by ed | April 28, 2005 5:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmm.
Well Sunapee is the "resort" town of the area and, I think, has the highest home values.
Frankly I can't say that I approve of this.
Essentially Sullivan County is pretty rural and hasn't had the greatest time economically. Sunapee is really a high income area, in comparison, with the rest of the county. So yes it pays more per household, but what kind of county services are they expecting with only 3k people? Are they really expecting the county to spend 25% of it's budget to make 3k people happy?
If you really want to hear them scream just tell them they can go ahead and move into another county. But the *lake* remains in Sullivan county and if they so much as stick a toe into it, they have to pay for a permit.
This is just another example of the Hamptons effect. Wealthy landowners viewing having regular people on the same taxbase as "oppression".
1. Posted by ed | April 28, 2005 5:12 PM |
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Posted on April 28, 2005 17:12
2. Posted by BigFire | April 28, 2005 5:57 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The San Fernando Valley portion of Los Angeles received about 20% of city & police services. It accounts for about 40% of city revenue. It's just a far off cash cow that doesn't need minding.
2. Posted by BigFire | April 28, 2005 5:57 PM |
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Posted on April 28, 2005 17:57
3. Posted by Salopard | April 28, 2005 9:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ed...perhaps they would like to get about 8% of the resources and pay about 8% of the revenue, as they are 8% of the population...
would that be unreasonable?
3. Posted by Salopard | April 28, 2005 9:22 PM |
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Posted on April 28, 2005 21:22
4. Posted by KBiel | April 29, 2005 2:24 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Surprising, Texas has some loopy laws about annexation of unincorporated land. Land owners in a prospective area to be annexed have very little recourse here. At least, the laws also require the city to provide emergency and utility services, though not immediately.
4. Posted by KBiel | April 29, 2005 2:24 AM |
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Posted on April 29, 2005 02:24
5. Posted by LJD | April 29, 2005 7:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I always thought of Cheshire county as the "Monadnock Region" and Sunapee as, well, the Sunapee region. As in, say the Monadnock-Sunapee Greenway...
Anyhoo, Folks from Mass, CT, NY love to come to these towns with their huge SUVs, fur coats, and City dollars, and buy up the pricey resort properties. This drives up property values, and tax revenues. The flip side of that, is that many of the local folks have trouble affording the increases.
Opression of the wealthy, wow, what a concept.
5. Posted by LJD | April 29, 2005 7:03 AM |
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Posted on April 29, 2005 07:03
6. Posted by Sam | April 29, 2005 9:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
How progressive can the tax system get before the rich walk away from the table? People will only take so much abuse.
6. Posted by Sam | April 29, 2005 9:42 AM |
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Posted on April 29, 2005 09:42
7. Posted by McGehee | April 29, 2005 9:54 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Opression of the wealthy, wow, what a concept.
As your own previous sentence indicates, it's not only the wealthy who are getting shafted...
7. Posted by McGehee | April 29, 2005 9:54 AM |
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Posted on April 29, 2005 09:54
8. Posted by Kirk | April 29, 2005 10:54 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
New Hampshire also has a state policy of doner and receiver towns. If you happen to live in a town designated as a doner you pay more in taxes than your town recieves. You pay this higher rate even if you don't live in a fancy house and have lived in that town long before it became relatively well off.
8. Posted by Kirk | April 29, 2005 10:54 AM |
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Posted on April 29, 2005 10:54
9. Posted by ed | April 29, 2005 1:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmmm.
"ed...perhaps they would like to get about 8% of the resources and pay about 8% of the revenue, as they are 8% of the population...
would that be unreasonable?"
I'll accept that if NH institutes a 5% gross income tax on all income over $40k per year, regardless of where it is earned. Ask the people in Sunapee if they'd prefer that instead.
Unless things have changed since I left NH, the state doesn't have an income tax. All municpal and county services are paid for by property taxes. If you live on prime real estate, including lakefront property, that people value highly, then you're going to pay for it. Don't like it? Don't live there.
Hell I live in New Jersey so I'm more than familiar with excessive taxation. But you can argue principles all you like, but there's a great difference between having a theoretical principle and actually making it work. And having a principle of paying for only those services you get is a nice principle, but I'd like to see people actually make it work in governance.
9. Posted by ed | April 29, 2005 1:28 PM |
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Posted on April 29, 2005 13:28
10. Posted by ed | April 29, 2005 1:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmmm.
"How progressive can the tax system get before the rich walk away from the table? People will only take so much abuse."
Where do they plan to go?
10. Posted by ed | April 29, 2005 1:36 PM |
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Posted on April 29, 2005 13:36
11. Posted by fatman | April 30, 2005 12:38 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Someplace cheaper.
11. Posted by fatman | April 30, 2005 12:38 AM |
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Posted on April 30, 2005 00:38
12. Posted by ed | April 30, 2005 12:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hmmm.
"Someplace cheaper."
They already did that, that's why they purchased property in Sunapee and not in Manhattan.
12. Posted by ed | April 30, 2005 12:53 AM |
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Posted on April 30, 2005 00:53
13. Posted by fatman | April 30, 2005 2:25 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
With apologies to Yogi Berra:
Nobody lives in Manhatten anymore, it's too crowded.
13. Posted by fatman | April 30, 2005 2:25 AM |
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Posted on April 30, 2005 02:25
14. Posted by fatman | April 30, 2005 2:33 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Seriously, there's always another Vail or Branson or Sunapee just waiting to be discovered by the swells. Just ask anybody who can remember Atlantic City's heyday.
14. Posted by fatman | April 30, 2005 2:33 AM |
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Posted on April 30, 2005 02:33