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Border jumping on a wing and a prayer

And just when you think you've heard it all when it comes to illegal aliens flouting US laws, here comes another one.

Charles Bueno came to the United States from Brazil on a tourist visa back in the 90's. It expired in 1998, but he didn't bother to actually leave, as required by law. And in the meantime, he managed to scrounge up enough money to buy a 1979 Cessna 210M (Google shows them selling for $170,000 - $250,000) and fly it around the country.

Recently, while flying from Fullerton, CA to Atlanta and then on to Boston (allegedly), he ran low on fuel. He made an emergency landing at Cannon Air Force Base. Officers immediately arrested Bueno, along with his five passengers -- all illegal aliens from Brazil.

I can understand how this slipped through the cracks. Mr. Bueno actually registered the plane under his own name and address, and it's not like we have a history of illegal aliens doing anything untoward with airplanes -- one September morning back in 2001 excepted, of course.

But I shouldn't be too outraged. After all, he's just doing the work Americans don't want to do. We do have this dreadful shortage of pilots who can afford a $200,000 airplane and are willing to fly other illegal aliens across the whole country.


Comments (23)

Jay Tea, you sound surprise... (Below threshold)

Jay Tea, you sound surprised. I thought we were past all that by now.

Hey! Here in sunny Californ... (Below threshold)
BurbankErnie:

Hey! Here in sunny California, Illegals get free healthcare, food stamps, and Welfare! All paid for by us!!!!

Hey Ernie, And the... (Below threshold)
ryan:

Hey Ernie,

And they do all kinds of work that Americans happily hire them to do, day in and day out.

I'm sure you're really jealous of the people who stoop over in the fields all day long picking produce to sell all over the country. What a glamorous and easy life those people live. I mean, have you seen those great shacks they live up in the hills? I wish I could work all day and then sleep in some cardboard shack. Some people have it so easy.

Their is so much idiocy my ... (Below threshold)
Don:

Their is so much idiocy my head hurts. If only we had machines capably of tracking millions of pieces of data and way of connecting them all together. Oh well, even if such a thing did exist, I doubt we'd have the intelligence to use it to make our nation safer.

Hey RyanDo ya know... (Below threshold)

Hey Ryan

Do ya know who USED to be a big part of that stoop labor in the fields at harvest time?

Clue, Victor Davis Hansen grew up in Fresno, CA, and like almost all the local teens, that's the way they earned their pocket money. Hell, my ex husband in the '70's, while attending college in Florida, picked oranges.

But these illegals aren't just coming here because we hire 'em...hell, the Mexican government PUSHES them across the border...why? because.....

You take a man, you put him 300 yards south of here, & he can't find a job, he can barely feed himself. You move him across this desert, you get him to an American city, Mexico no longer has to feed him, & he becomes a major source of wealth because he sends money home to try to take care of people who are left behind.

So a 135 lb man is a liability to the Mexican government, but if they can just move him across the fence, he becomes a money pump, like a private ATM that sustains their society. Mexico's finally found a product that makes it money: expelling its own citizens into a foreign country.

Ryan,Then they blo... (Below threshold)

Ryan,

Then they bloody well can come across legally to do so.

Darleen:Clue, V... (Below threshold)
ryan:

Darleen:

Clue, Victor Davis Hansen grew up in Fresno, CA, and like almost all the local teens, that's the way they earned their pocket money. Hell, my ex husband in the '70's, while attending college in Florida, picked oranges.

Just like in the 30's when all the "Okies" came to California and did the same thing. Of course they were basically lured here by growers en masse in order to create that wonderful wage depressed environment where starving people were willing to work for almost nothing.

Of course Americans used to do that kind of work, but they sure dont anymore. And many people want to blame the illegal workers for all of it, but I dont think thats really an accurate assessment of whats going on.

So how do you think they get all that revenue? They work for it. They do work, and Americans pay them for it. They dont force people to pick them up and have them do yardwork you know. Americans willingly hire them.

And by the way, Mexico is just one country that these people are coming from.

this one might double post ... (Below threshold)
ryan:

this one might double post b/c my computer just freaked out...

Darleen:

Clue, Victor Davis Hansen grew up in Fresno, CA, and like almost all the local teens, that's the way they earned their pocket money. Hell, my ex husband in the '70's, while attending college in Florida, picked oranges.

Just like in the 30's when all the "Okies" came to California and did the same thing. Of course they were basically lured here by growers en masse in order to create that wonderful wage depressed environment where starving people were willing to work for almost nothing.

Of course Americans used to do that kind of work, but they sure dont anymore. And many people want to blame the illegal workers for all of it, but I dont think thats really an accurate assessment of whats going on.

So how do you think they get all that revenue? They work for it. They do work, and Americans pay them for it. They dont force people to pick them up and have them do yardwork you know. Americans willingly hire them.

And by the way, Mexico is just one country that these people are coming from.

Then they bloody well ca... (Below threshold)
ryan:

Then they bloody well can come across legally to do so.

Well, I wont ever say that I think that illegal immigration is a good thing. It's not.

Don't you think that our immigration laws are undermined when Americans are happy to hire illegal workers? Isnt that problematic at all to you? I personally feel like it sends a mixed signal when our laws say one thing, and many of our citizens say another to those people.

Think about it. Illegal workers know what the laws are, but then they have Americans who are willing to hire them when/if they get here. It might make them think that many Americans dont really give a damn about those laws, so why should they?

ryan:So, I could t... (Below threshold)
KBiel:

ryan:

So, I could tell an immigrant, illegal or otherwise, that all those cars with painted black and white with the cool strobe lights on top are community cars and they are more than welcome to drive one around town if they would like AND that would make it OK? I mean, by your logic, I am a citizen of the US and if I say something to an illegal, it overrides any federal, state or local laws.

Sorry your wrong. Thanks for playing. Please don't try again.

ryan just wants the world t... (Below threshold)
-S-:

ryan just wants the world to know how badly he thinks of Americans and the United States. And why that entitles him and those he represents to take whatever they can when they can from Americans and the United States.

To everyone else: you can't reason with ryan and those like him because they are not reasonable. ryan, specifically, continues to insist on nonsense and attack reason. Meaning, he is here only for one purpose: to air what ryan finds to his dislike about Americans and the United States and why he is entitled to take what he wants because he wants it.

Illegal immigration is illegal behavior. It's criminal behavior. If you have all that energy and determination, why not immigrate legally and respect the laws of the United States? Why even come to the U.S. if you think so badly of the laws and the citizenry here?

Before illegal immigrants arrived, the lawns got trimmed, watered and tended, the fields and crops got harvested and tended, the children got raised, the elderly were cared for, the buses and trucks were driven, vehicles were washed, maintenance workers and laborers were documented and had lawful identities...it's a false (as in, it's a lie) bit of rhetoric that "illegal immigrants will do the work Americans won't/don't/can't/refuse," because that's just another method of saying, "we don't respect you."

Illegal immigration has brought denigration to working conditions and wages in the U.S. and it costs every single taxpayer a lot of annual dollars each and every year in supplemental and related expenses. It's also brought about a real ruination to our American culture AND to the cultures that bandy illegal immigration because it makes THEM look very bad. As in, criminal, negligent, just plain inconsiderate.

And, Jay Tea, that illegal ... (Below threshold)
-S-:

And, Jay Tea, that illegal immigrants such as you write about "scrounge" funds for Cessna's and their own businesses and such is because they have a network that benefits from illegal immigration and benefits others who are involved in illegal immigration. They are self replicating. What I can't figure out is why they refuse to simply become legal residents if not citizens, what with all that intensity.

I've yet to read any explanation as to why citizenship is not sought, is not the goal. Much less the process.

To -S-, KBiel, Darleen and ... (Below threshold)
fatman4003:

To -S-, KBiel, Darleen and others:

I know it's fun to pile on the liberals; heck, I've done it myself often enough. But I do think you're missing ryan's points, to wit:

1) If you were given a choice between watching your family slowly succumb to disease and malnutrion or taking a job that enabled you to help them without--to your way of thinking--hurting anyone else, what would you do?

2) As for the "to your way of thinking" part of that last paragraph, what do you expect illegal and potential illegal immigrants to think? Their government encourages illegal immigration, our government does zip to stop it, there are thousands of employers large and small willing to hire them without asking questions about their immigration status and every time the MSM brings the subject up, they (the immigrants) are told that they're doing jobs that Americans won't do. What else are they supposed to think? And why should they respect our immigration (and other) laws when so many of us don't?

3)-S-, with all due respect, I think your attack on ryan ^^ was uncalled for. I've never read any post from him on this subject or any other that suggested that he dislikes Americans or the United States or that he is unreasonable or can't be reasoned with (full disclosure: ryan once defended me when I was verbally attacked by frameone in the "Communism vs. Nazism" thread). I may not agree with him on very many things, but I've never had a problem having a civil discussion with him. And it's not as if he's defending illegal immigration; he's just pointing out that we have to do a lot more than just build a wall across our southern AND northern borders.

If you want to know how I feel about illegal immigration, go to Jay Tea's April 18, 2005 blog "Immigration Reform: A Modest Proposal". I think that's actually a good starting point, though the land mines might be a bit much.

The April 18, 2005 blog by ... (Below threshold)
fatman:

The April 18, 2005 blog by Jay Tea that I referred to ^^ can be found listed under "Politics" (for those unfamiliar with it.)

(Jay Tea adds: the direct link to my piece fatman refers to is here. And sorry, fatman, but the land mines are non-negotiable. I might bend on the flogging bit, but I'm standing firm on the mines.)

Ryan-take a look at the fac... (Below threshold)
Just Me:

Ryan-take a look at the facts. In areas with the highest numbers of illegals all wages for non skilled/low skilled work are depressed. Illegal immigration hurts not only US citizens but also legal immigrants.

I have said repeatedly that the US needs to make legal immigration easier and cheaper for those who want to come here and work, but they need to have a no tolerance policy for those who come here illegally. The illegal immigrants need to get their butts deported ASAP.

The government could also do a better job of punishing company's caught knowingly hiring illegals. Right now they seem to do it only in bits and pieces and the fines generally aren't that painful to the company's that get caught.

Jay Tea:Actually, ... (Below threshold)
fatman:

Jay Tea:

Actually, I kind of like the idea of floggings, as long as they're public. As for the landmines...how about Predator drones instead? ARMED Predator drones.

Oh, and I hope that when yo... (Below threshold)
fatman:

Oh, and I hope that when you say you're standing firm on the mines that you ARE speaking metaphorically.

fatman:thanks. th... (Below threshold)
ryan:

fatman:

thanks. that reply of your is greatly appreciated. i dont know why people keep interpreting what i'm saying as somehow being anti-american. i dont get it. anyway, thanks again.

Just Me:Ryan-ta... (Below threshold)
ryan:

Just Me:

Ryan-take a look at the facts. In areas with the highest numbers of illegals all wages for non skilled/low skilled work are depressed. Illegal immigration hurts not only US citizens but also legal immigrants.

I couldn't agree with you more. Again, I'm not defending illegal immigration. Anytime there is a large influx of cheap labor wages collapse. It's not a good situation. All I'm trying to do is get some people to realize is that those wages dont just magically. Employers, seeking to make better profits, CHOOSE to employ illegal workers, and to hell with laws, wages, working condtions, etc. Illegal workers can't force people to hire them, and indeed they don't even need to.

I have said repeatedly that the US needs to make legal immigration easier and cheaper for those who want to come here and work, but they need to have a no tolerance policy for those who come here illegally. The illegal immigrants need to get their butts deported ASAP.

I agree again. But the current penalty for getting caught is just a free trip home, and thats really not much of a deterant, obviously. It has to be more profitable to come here legally than illegally...there has to be incentive. If the benefit of illegal migration outweigh the risks, people will keep doing it.

The government could also do a better job of punishing company's caught knowingly hiring illegals. Right now they seem to do it only in bits and pieces and the fines generally aren't that painful to the company's that get caught.

That tells me that the government isn't all that concerned with curbing the immigration of those workers, for some reason.

Let's put it like this:... (Below threshold)
ryan:

Let's put it like this:

You come to the US and work for 6 months, and save a total of $3000. Then you get caught and deported. You pay a coyote $1000 to get back across, and you're still $2000 ahead.

If you worked six days a week and made $50 bucks a day, you would gross $1200 per month. Saving $500 a month for 6 months gives you 3 grand.

Conversely you can make about 10-15 dollars PER DAY in Mexico. Your per month gross would be about $360 at the upper end, vs. $1200 across the border. If you saved about half of your income (good luck) for six months you would have, at most, $1080.

So, even with getting caught and paying a coyote to smuggle you back, you still double your money by coming to the US. And if you dont get caught, your money is tripled.

You guys can keep complaining all day long about how its illegal, put IT PAYS, so it's going to keep happening. And WE pay them, we being Americans.

Please dont read this as saying that I'm ripping on Americans. Thats the last thing I would do. What I'm trying to point out is the economic aspect of all this, and the fact that many Americans ARE A PART of this economy, as suppliers of the incentive. A more than willing part of the economy.

^^typo in the reply to Just... (Below threshold)
ryan:

^^typo in the reply to Just Me:

First paragraph of mine, 5th sentence, should read: "All I'm trying to do is get some people to realize that those wages dont just magically fall."

ryan and fatman, your point... (Below threshold)
penny:

ryan and fatman, your points are well taken. as much as i like bush on most issues - the WOT, social security reform and stopping the cultural rot of the left - he has done a poor job in defining and implementing a solution to illegal immigration.

we all agree that this chaotic mess with our southern border is out of control.

if bush thinks ignoring it so as not to alienate the Hispanic vote is going to garner more republican votes from them, it won't. they vote pretty much democratic and it's very entrenched. saving vincente fox's ass as a motive is a double-edged sword too. mexico staggers along without any real pent up pressure for reform because we provide a safety valve. it delays what's needed there.

mexicans can and should work here as needed in an orderly manner on worker passes. as needed and legally processed being the determinates. canadians can and do work in border cities. we know who they are. we have no control or identification of the mob crossing our southern border unlike our northern border. that's plainly not right.

Ryan has some good points, ... (Below threshold)

Ryan has some good points, I must admit. I'm certain that one reason the borders are so poorly enforced is that the local industries don't want them to be.

But it's not just because the illegals are willing to do the work. There's a perverse incentive for the businesses, too. Why should a business hire a legal employee and deal with paperwork, minimum wage laws, insurance, etc. when they can just hire an illegal for a couple months with minimal risk? We need to deregulate a bit and make it easier for businesses and willing employees to form relationships of convenience, becuase right now citizens who just want to work are being "protected" right out of the market.

It's a good thing that people want to come here, but in addition to making illegal immigration less attractive we also have to make it less troublesome for immigrants to become legal citizens instead. The current immigration and naturalization laws are confusing and complicated but they don't seem very effective at keeping bad people out and letting good people in. In fact (surprise!) they seem to exist primarly to maintain the beauracracy that enforces the rules. I think it's time for some radical simplification and restructuring.




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