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Learning the wrong things at school

This morning's Boston Glob has a sob story about the valedictorian of Assabet Valley Regional Vocational High School in Marlborough, Massachusetts. Juliano Foleiss is a stellar student, loved by his teachers, but will be returning home to attend college because he can't afford to go to school in Massachusetts.

You see, even though he's lived in the state for five years, he doesn't qualify for in-state tuition because he's an illegal alien.

The story spells it out: five years ago, the family came to the United States to get their kids the best education they could. So they got six-month tourist visas, then never left.

The Glob story makes this seem like a great tragedy, but refuses to point the finger of blame squarely where it belongs: on the Foleisses. They chose to come here under false pretenses, lying about their intention and filing false documents with the government. They broke the law even before they came to the United States, and have been breaking it on a day-by-day basis ever since.

Juliano, I'm sorry that you feel you're being punished for nothing -- or for your parent's actions. But every day since you turned 18 (the article doesn't specify his age, but I'm presuming he's 18 now) that you haven't turned yourself in as an illegal alien, you've perpetuated their initial crime.

The United States has some of the most liberal policies about immigration in the world. If your parents were too lazy or too nervous to attempt to do it legally, perhaps you should take it up with them.

And one more question, Juliano: let's presume that you did qualify for in-state tuition and went to a Massachusetts college. Once you get your degree, what will you do with it? As an illegal alien, you can't work legally in the United States. Do you want the US to forgive you your illegal status, or are you asking the taxpayers of Massachusetts to subsidize your education so you can go back home to Brazil and work there?

Ideally, I'd like to see Juliano and his whole family put on the next flight back to Brazil, preferably before he gets his diploma. But I think I can predict what will happen: he'll give his valedictorian speech, take his degree, and go back to his family's Marlborough home until his flight back to Brazil, at which point his remaining family will fade back into obscurity.


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Comments (22)

Amen!... (Below threshold)

Amen!

"The story spells it out: f... (Below threshold)
Redhand:

"The story spells it out: five years ago, the family came to the United States to get their kids the best education they could. So they got six-month tourist visas, then never left."

And these idiots SAID THAT to the Boston Glob, using their real names!?

A finding of immigration fraud results in permanent inadmissability into the USA, if the Govt gets wise to it.

Even absent a finding of fraud, prior immigration violations make it highly unlikely that Juliano or his family will ever be issued visas to enter the USA again.

Moreover, any family member who was over 18 and remained in the USA unlawfully for a year or more is BARRED from re-entry for 10 years, that is, assuming they leave.

So you're may be right about the rest of them "fading back into obscurity." For most illegals here, staying under the radar is the best strategy. Still, if the immigration service is p*ssed enough about this being in the paper to go after them, the whole bunch will be put into removal proceedings. I've seen it where one family member gets the Govt's attention by being convicted of a serious crime and doing jail time.

Note: "Redhand" is the handle of that rarest of creatures, a conservative immigration lawyer. He knows of one other one in NJ, where he practices.

FWIW, most of his colleagues at the immigration bar don't hold his bizarre political views against him. The professionals who take the practice seriously are a decent group.

Juliano ought to be gratefu... (Below threshold)
JEW:

Juliano ought to be grateful he got the best education he could for the last 5 years instead of feeling cheated he cannot illegally obtain the best colledge education possible.

If his parents had done things legally, he would be welcome with open arms by the overwhelming majority of citizens.

Great post on this article.... (Below threshold)

Great post on this article. Not surprised the Glob didn't see fit to address any of the pertinent issues you suggested.

Btw, when I linked to this post, I used this link for the Glob article -http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/06/03/a_valedictorian_without_a_visa_teens_success_is_bittersweet/ - and BugMeNot for registration.

I smell and attempt to make... (Below threshold)
John:

I smell and attempt to make a poster child for disregarding immigration laws. I suspect Juliano probrably takes a good picture too.

Hmmmm.Can we sue t... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmmm.

Can we sue them for the cost of that education?

Their mistake was not cross... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Their mistake was not crossing the border through Mexico.

<a href="http://www.boston.... (Below threshold)

LINK. I note this sentence, which takes most of the sob out of the story:

Juliano said he would attend a state university in Brazil, where tuition for outstanding students is free.

What if, instead of being from Brazil, this kid was a New Hampshire resident who illegally reported a false home address so he could cross the border every day to attend a better public high school in Massachusetts? (Such things do happen in many parts of the country). No tears would be shed that he could not attend a Massachusetts college at tuition set for Massachusetts residents, and had to go to UNH instead. Why should we care that he has to settle for a free education provided by Brazilian taxpayers?

By the way, this must be a ... (Below threshold)

By the way, this must be a coordinated push - the NY Daily News had a story on the same issue this morning.

Is anybody in the U.S. wors... (Below threshold)
Mark Wilson:

Is anybody in the U.S. worse off if a person who wasn't born here comes here at age 13 or so and is a successful productive member of our society? And if, instead, we are all better off as a result of that person's choice, what should we think of laws that make it more difficult for that happen?

Regards,

Mark Wilson

I don't feel a damn bit sor... (Below threshold)

I don't feel a damn bit sorry for him.

In Indiana illegals are able to obtain in-state tuition as well as other funds to pay for their education.

I had given thought to surrendering my citizenship, going to Mexico and sneaking back over the boarder so that I could obtain social services that many Americans aren't even privileged to.

Then I thought, naaaa....

Mark, just what part of the... (Below threshold)
penny:

Mark, just what part of the principle of legal vs illegal do you not understand?

I should give my cabin freely over to squatters because they settled in and threw some paint on the walls? Same principle.

Why have laws at all, Mark, if lawbreakers are rewarded? Law abiding taxpayers should not be subsidizing this kid's college education

Hey, I'm all for increasing... (Below threshold)

Hey, I'm all for increasing legal immigration, from Latin America and anywhere else. I'd be happy to find a way to let kids like this into the country. But there are reasons we want to have laws against letting everyone in, and once you have laws, you gotta enforce them.

penny:I should ... (Below threshold)
ryan:

penny:

I should give my cabin freely over to squatters because they settled in and threw some paint on the walls? Same principle.

You should talk to some Native Americans about that principle.

That said--I wouldnt put the blame on some teenager who managed to become a stellar student. He's just a kid, and now is in a difficult position, since he's basically spent some pretty important years in the US without being legally a part of the country.

The parents had to know that this would be a problem at some point. They chose to do it this way, and now they've been caught. Now the time has come and the kid has to deal with it. He's not a legal resident, so he can either apply for citizenship or go to school in Brazil.

It's a tough situation that his parents basically put him in. The state really has no responsibility toward him, so he's pretty much S.O.L., as they say.

The parents are law-breaker... (Below threshold)

The parents are law-breakers and took advantage of the MA taxpayers. Hardly the type of lesson that one would want to teach their children. Do we really want more smart people who think its acceptable to game the system?
Besides, with this type of thinking, and his abilities, he should go far in Brazilian politics.

I wonder if he wants some c... (Below threshold)
Just Me:

I wonder if he wants some cheese with his whine.

Honestly, if his parents wanted the best education for their kids, there is a way to come here legally, they just chose to ignore it.

I think this is definitely an attempt to create the sob anecdotal story to argue in favor of lax immigration policy.

I've been following these t... (Below threshold)

I've been following these type of stories for a long time. I've even given them a name: PIIPPs, or "pro-illegal immigration puff pieces".

What you can do: every time you see one of these advertorials, contact the paper with a short, polite email sharply criticizing them for the piece.

What this equates to is giving illegal aliens a better deal than U.S. citizens. As pointed out in a comment above, a NH resident who wants to go to school in MA will have to pay the full price, but a citizen of another country will get a discount. That is simply un-American.

As for where these stories come from, I believe it's a combination of lefties at the newspapers and the lawyers and advocates for "immigrants". In fact, the AILA has a PDF file detailing how to deal with the press, and one of their action items is to get coverage of sympathetic poster children.

The most important thing here is to react strongly every time a paper prints something like this.

If you want to see some real fine logical thinking, check out this old post on the Dream Act. Those who would be affected keep adding Sally Struthers-level comments.

And, if that wasn't enough, someone posted a Dream Act poem they wrote here.

Oh yeah, that poem has convinced me to give citizens of other countries a better deal than our own citizens.

I've been following these t... (Below threshold)

I've been following these type of stories for a long time. I've even given them a name: PIIPPs, or "pro-illegal immigration puff pieces".

What you can do: every time you see one of these advertorials, contact the paper with a short, polite email sharply criticizing them for the piece.

What this equates to is giving illegal aliens a better deal than U.S. citizens. As pointed out in a comment above, a NH resident who wants to go to school in MA will have to pay the full price, but a citizen of another country will get a discount. That is simply un-American.

As for where these stories come from, I believe it's a combination of lefties at the newspapers and the lawyers and advocates for "immigrants". In fact, the AILA has a PDF file detailing how to deal with the press, and one of their action items is to get coverage of sympathetic poster children.

The most important thing here is to react strongly every time a paper prints something like this.

If you want to see some real fine logical thinking, check out this old post on the Dream Act. Those who would be affected keep adding Sally Struthers-level comments.

And, if that wasn't enough, someone posted a Dream Act poem they wrote here.

Oh yeah, that poem has convinced me to give citizens of other countries a better deal than our own citizens.

what ryan said makes sense ... (Below threshold)
Ceryse:

what ryan said makes sense and sounds fair. and may i add, a lot of people's forebears were once illegal immigrants themselves. that said, i've had students who couldn't care less about being american and the attendant responsibilities of that citizenship, while there were other students who would've made perfectly upstanding citizens, instead of being the "wetbacks" that they are. another thing that doesn't make sense to me is that with all the money being thrown at iraq, why can't more of it be spent attending to the borders to protect the country? that way, people will not be tempted to cross the border illegally because they know for sure that they can't get through anyway. and they'll be forced to go through legal means instead. what makes it so easy for illegal immigrants to stay on? there has got to be a way to plug all the loopholes in the system...

you are just jealous becaus... (Below threshold)
Evandro:

you are just jealous because he was second on the senior class, jealous because americans didnt beat him beacuse he is smater.
You criticized him because you can't do wat he can why dont you criticize my balls "one of the Evandro's balls is bigger than the other", you FUCKERS!!!

"Juliano, I'm sorry that yo... (Below threshold)
adam:

"Juliano, I'm sorry that you feel you're being punished for nothing -- or for your parent's actions. But every day since you turned 18 (the article doesn't specify his age, but I'm presuming he's 18 now) that you haven't turned yourself in as an illegal alien, you've perpetuated their initial crime."

This is a serious suggestion to the children of illegal immigrants? When do you draw the line? A child's parents move to the U.S. illlegally when the child is six months old. On his eighteenth birthday, he's supposed to turn himself in for being a lifelong criminal?

You're a goddamn ideologue ... (Below threshold)
Glob:

You're a goddamn ideologue and you justify your ignorance and xenophobia because you have a blog. You're ignorant to assume that these people are lazy and afraid of Americans or white people because of some assbackwards view of Latinos or foreign people that's culturally instilled in you. And you're an ideologue because you regurgitate simplistic racist garbage as political theory, arguing the rights of taxpayers. You're so offended that this kid benefitted indirectly from your salary, so you sit at your desk terminal and type about it. This kind of passive-aggressive cowardice makes me ill. What about empathy? What about thinking for yourself? Act like a human being.




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