A while ago I got more and more tired of hearing the same old canard -- "the war is wrong," "we never should have invaded Iraq," and so on. I decided to do something about it.
One of my favorite tactics when debating people is to, for a moment, presume that they are right, and then speculate on what would be the logical consequences of their position. In this case, I decided to play out the scenario that the US had not invaded Iraq after the defeat of the Taliban in Afghanistan. I had to figure out a rationale for a different course of action, and what might evolve from there.
But then I realized this was too good an idea to keep to myself. I thought I'd share it with some other bloggers, people I've come to respect as thinkers and writers, and see if they wanted to play along. I even included a couple of anti-war writers, because I was curious what they'd do with the notion.
I got back a few interested responses, and assembled a list and a plan. I chose the 4th of July as a deadline, because it seemed to me there'd be very little other original content on the holiday.
Then I fell flat on my face. As the deadline approached, I neglected to remind those interested of the event and keep their interest up. At least one of them thought I'd dropped the idea entirely, and I'm sure others came to that logical conclusion as well. For that, I apologize.
But a few did look past my screwup and kept up with that idea. As the day continues and their pieces publish, I'll update this posting with links to their pieces. I'd like to thank them now for playing along with this idea of mine, and encourage all the readers to go give them a read.




Comments (12)
I am up finally and unpolis... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Pierre Legrand | July 4, 2005 9:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I am up finally and unpolished...hehe.
Thanks very much for the opportunity to make an ass out of myself. Your buying my meds.
Thanks
Pierre Legrand
1. Posted by Pierre Legrand | July 4, 2005 9:52 AM |
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Posted on July 4, 2005 09:52
2. Posted by AnonymousDrivel | July 4, 2005 10:12 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
A very nice blog entry to summarize where we are and where we might not be had the Bush Doctrine not been imposed. Sprinkling it with the brilliance of Krauthammer doesn't hurt either. You have demonstrably stated the obvious and I defy your challengers to deny your conclusions. I'll look forward to scanning the "peer-reviewed" material for, up until know, I've never found a cogent argument for not doing what has been done.
2. Posted by AnonymousDrivel | July 4, 2005 10:12 AM |
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Posted on July 4, 2005 10:12
3. Posted by AnonymousDrivel | July 4, 2005 10:19 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Just to clarify, I am referring to Willisms "Iraq - what might have been" post. That's not to say Jay Tea's contributions should go unrecognized... it's just that, well, we don't want him getting too big for his britches with excessive back-slaps and kudos.
3. Posted by AnonymousDrivel | July 4, 2005 10:19 AM |
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Posted on July 4, 2005 10:19
4. Posted by Will Franklin | July 4, 2005 12:11 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Thanks, AnonymousDrivel. I just scribbled that out last night.
4. Posted by Will Franklin | July 4, 2005 12:11 PM |
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Posted on July 4, 2005 12:11
5. Posted by Zsa Zsa | July 4, 2005 1:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
You can't argue with the facts!...Thanks!
5. Posted by Zsa Zsa | July 4, 2005 1:14 PM |
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Posted on July 4, 2005 13:14
6. Posted by fatman | July 4, 2005 7:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Zsa Zsa:
Oh yes you can. Liberals in general and Senator Tonsafun (D-Chivas) do it all the time.
Pierre:
I don't know if it's something I'm (not?) doing, but when I tried to comment on your piece, which scared the crap out of me, I couldn't get comments to work.
6. Posted by fatman | July 4, 2005 7:42 PM |
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Posted on July 4, 2005 19:42
7. Posted by DelphiGuy | July 4, 2005 10:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Pretty interesting post.
I had never considered that question before:
After Afghanistan, what next?
Unless you take the position that the WoT was over, which is in essence to say there is no WoT, then there is the question of which group to decimate next. As you point out, Saddam was a big thorn in the side, a clear supporter of terrorism, and at the time, thought to be able to supply bio/chem/nuclear weapons and/or skills to terrorists. He was also the main cause of 9/11 indirectly given that Us troops in Saudi caused 9/11 in a big way, and they were there because of Saddam.
I often think the left chooses not to see the bigger picture, and therefore try to impress upon the world that there isn't one and this is all some giddy adventure for a cowboy president who's doing it to line Halliburtons coffers, and get some cheap oil.
Fact is, there is plenty to debate on the subject if they were open to it. However, while many on the right debate the real reasons for invading Iraq, they seemed convinced that the only answer is theirs and their mission is to try and ram their worldview down everyones throats. Intellectuals my ass.
7. Posted by DelphiGuy | July 4, 2005 10:42 PM |
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Posted on July 4, 2005 22:42
8. Posted by Pierre Legrand | July 5, 2005 12:25 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hi,
What sort of error did you recieve when you attempted to comment? Keeping in mind that I know as much about the workings of Haloscan commenting as I know of Paris Hiltons dinner tonight...Hmm maybe thats not the best analogy. hehe.
Thanks for the compliment...it was intended to scare people. Sorry for the roughness of the writing...my skills slack behind my ideas.
Pierre Legrand
8. Posted by Pierre Legrand | July 5, 2005 12:25 AM |
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Posted on July 5, 2005 00:25
9. Posted by fatman | July 5, 2005 4:57 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Pierre:
Actually, when I clicked on comments, nothing happened. (other than that little box thingy forming around the word "Comments") The first time I tried, there was already one comment; when I tried again later, there were two. Somebody managed to get through, so it may be me or my computer.
Sorry it took so long to reply; I've been bouncing around from site to site tonight.
And trust me, compared to some of the drivel I've posted in comments, you're the next Hemingway.
9. Posted by fatman | July 5, 2005 4:57 AM |
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Posted on July 5, 2005 04:57
10. Posted by fatman | July 5, 2005 5:12 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Pierre:
And since it finally dawned on me to try, I've discovered that I can't access any of the comments sections on your site. I can, however, access comments sections on other sites that use Haloscan.
10. Posted by fatman | July 5, 2005 5:12 AM |
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Posted on July 5, 2005 05:12
11. Posted by Zsa Zsa | July 5, 2005 8:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ask Will...at WILLisms.com he uaually has the answers to questions about comment stuff!...
11. Posted by Zsa Zsa | July 5, 2005 8:50 AM |
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Posted on July 5, 2005 08:50
12. Posted by sammler | July 5, 2005 10:34 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Tony Blair has already read out this alternative history:
But for others, opposed to this course, it means -- let us be clear -- that the Iraqi people, whose only true hope of liberation lies in the removal of Saddam, for them, the darkness will close back over them again; and he will be free to take his revenge upon those he must know wish him gone.
And if this house now demands that at this moment, faced with this threat from this regime, that British troops are pulled back, that we turn away at the point of reckoning, and that is what it means - what then?
What will Saddam feel? Strengthened beyond measure. What will the other states who tyrannise their people, the terrorists who threaten our existence, what will they take from that? That the will confronting them is decaying and feeble.
Who will celebrate and who will weep?
12. Posted by sammler | July 5, 2005 10:34 AM |
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Posted on July 5, 2005 10:34