Time to fix some popcorn and open a cold one. This should be interesting.

I have to admit, it's great watching this fascist party disintegrate.

What's even funnier is the fact they replaced this vile human bieng with a closet homosexual. Can't wait until the loonie faux prophets ( Robertson, Falwell, Dobson etc) get a whiff of that.

Coming soon, Rove indictment. Will the coward republican party try to paint that one as a "political maneuver by a fanatic investigator" also?

You people are predictable and pathetic all wrapped in one.

Those of us from Texas who remember (from the Kay Bailey Huthison) case what a shameless hack this guy Ronnie Earle is are not the least bit worried for Mr. Delay.

I hope the Reupblicans are positioned properly. They need to be fairly quiet until it becomes obvious that this was a political stunt, and then let the dems have it.

Let's hold our breath, shall we, until the MSM informs us that the prosecutor is a Democratic operative who has a history of handing out groundless indictments against Republican targets.

Ronnie Earle, wasting taxpayers money for malicious failed prosecution of Republicans since 1976!

"Those of us from Texas who remember (from the Kay Bailey Huthison) case what a shameless hack this guy Ronnie Earle is are not the least bit worried for Mr. Delay."

Awww, you poor thing. Considering Earle has indicted 10 Democrats and 3 republicans just isnt enough for you, is it?

Perhaps you need another drink of Kool-Aid to calm you down.

Don't confuse the self policing style of your party with true investigation. Remember checks and balances still exist in this country no matter how much you and your fascist party want that changed too.

Don't you love the "tolerant" left, they keep pushing the Drier is a fag meme as if that is a negative.

I'm neither a fan of Drier (illegal alien lover) or DeLay (big spender) but when you start looking at this case, its a lot of smoke and mirrors. I'd put real money on no conviction and a possible sanction against an obviously partisian prosecutor.

This is going to end up just like the little congressional member trips broohahah of earlier in the year, when it's exposed that both political parties have been playing the shell game with softmoney.

Of course the lefty media will have a heyday convicting DeLay in the press, all the while ignoring the ample evidence that Dems have done the same thing time and time again: http://www.followthemoney.org/press/TX/20030930.pdf

An Institute on Money in State Politics study reveals that on Oct. 31, 2002, the Texas Democratic Party did the same thing when it sent $75,000 to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and received $75,000 back from the DNC the very same day.

Mediablog at NRO is all over this: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/spruiell200407150841.asp

Just to put this $190,000 deal into perspective and demonstrate the petty, vindictive nature of this partisan investigation, the study also reveals that Democrats transferred a total of approximately $11 million dollars in soft money from its national parties to fund Texas campaigns in 2002, compared to $5.2 million transferred by Republicans.

"Don't you love the "tolerant" left, they keep pushing the Drier is a fag meme as if that is a negative."

Oh nice try at more sickening spin. Try asking all the proud and out homosexuals how they feel about what Dreier and Mehlman ( another closet homosexual) have said and done to slander them.

You people are beyond pathetic. A morally bankrupt group of bottom feeders.

Hell awaits you!

UPDATE, UPDATE, UPDATE

You people can now get your panties out of a wad because no sooner did Dreier become DeLay's replacement thenRove steps in and quickly pushes him aside and replaces him with fellow jack-boot wear, goose-stepping coward, Roy Blunt.

Can't have the fascist base know Dreier is in fact the enemy within.

What a breeding ground of like minded vile filth you people play with.

Where's the ham?

"Hell awaits you!" and here I thought the way MSM tells us Hell is all ready here. They call it Bush.

Judgment Day, buddy, put down the thesaurus and take a deep breath! You're going to pop an aneurism with all this negativity.

Once you've had a glass of wine and a couple Xanax, can you show me one thing, though?

The indictment goes on for a couple of pages, outlining in detail how the other two alleged co-conspirators wrote the check, handled the check and delivered the check.

But I don't see anything in the indictment that says what Delay actually did.

Why do you think the indictment would be prepared that way? Why all the details about the two no-names, but total silence about the big fish?

Don't confuse the self policing style of your party with true investigation. Remember checks and balances still exist in this country no matter how much you and your fascist party want that changed too.

I sure hope so. You might want to read this before you cream your jeans with your mental masturbation. Not only did the shit not hit the fan but there wasn't even a fart.

Your ad hominem attacks aside, you really are a mental midget.

This is going to end up just like the little congressional member trips broohahah of earlier in the year, when it's exposed that both political parties have been playing the shell game with softmoney.

That's the point I have made to people over and over again. Notice how the whole softmoney scandal disappeared from the MSM once it was discovered that the Dems were doing it, too.

The Dems need to be very careful when they point fingers at the Republicans "mistakes." If they ever get back into power, they had better be perfect. They will have many, many people watching their every move.

You knew it was coming. Even when the Republicans are put in jail, somehow the Democrats are to blame for it.

If they ever get back into power, they had better be perfect. They will have many, many people watching their every move.

Until the Dems can offer some type of platform that the voters can vote for this is never gonna happen.

The Dems need to be very careful when they point fingers at the Republicans "mistakes." If they ever get back into power, they had better be perfect. They will have many, many people watching their every move.

Some of still remember when the Democrats were in power, Steve. Seems I remember an $85 million investigation that started with real estate and ended with lying about blow jobs after about five years.

I remember civil lawsuits against the president funded by Republican groups. I remember accusations of having boys killed by a train and cocaine smuggling at Mena Airport.

I remember charges of murder and rape, Steve. Weren't you around then?

Hmmmm.

Visit WizBangBlog and watch the hyperbole fly!

hehe. Ronnie Earle. The only prosecutor I've heard of who had to admit to the presiding judge that he didn't have a case on the first day of a criminal trial.

I remember accusations of having boys killed by a train and cocaine smuggling at Mena Airport.

Actually, the woman who wrote the book that exposed these accusations is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from being a right-winger. She has been an outspoken critic of things Republican for a while.

"Awww, you poor thing. Considering Earle has indicted 10 Democrats and 3 republicans just isnt enough for you, is it?

Perhaps you need another drink of Kool-Aid to calm you down."

Ronnie Earle's "political" indictments have namely come against political enemies, Democrats and Republicans alike. Bob Bullock (Late Texas Lt. Governor), for example, was a Democrat that Earle dispised and tried discredit via an indictment. Likewise, Tom Delay is a political enemy who, in Earle's eyes, needs to be brought down. Democrats in this state are still in a state of denial after losing the power they held for over 130 years.

Perhaps you need another drink of the democratic underground kool-aid to go with the wine and xanax you sorely need.

I saw it earlier, but I can't remember whom to attribute the quote:

"Even a ham sandwich can be indicted these days."

Get your hipwaders on folks, you're going to be stepping a lot of dung from both sides.

The grand jury's foreman, William Gibson, told The Associated Press that Earle didn't pressure members one way or the other. "Ronnie Earle didn't indict him. The grand jury indicted him," Gibson told The Associated Press in an interview at his home.

Gibson, 76, a retired sheriff's deputy in Austin, said of DeLay: "He's probably doing a good job. I don't have anything against him. Just something happened."

- Link

The Dems have nothing to fear from the pubbies.
The Republicans play nerfball while the Dems throw MOABs

The pubbies feared investigating Jay Rockefeller for the (get Bush through our intelligence committee) memo. Instead they stood by helplessly as the Dems fired the whistleblower.

They should have held a (under oath) investigation of the white house personel, including Hillary, on the FBI filegate scandel.

They should have sent Bill and Hillary a bill for trashing and stealing the white house blind.

They should be demanding Sen. Schumer step down or face charges for conspiring to illegally obtain credit info on GOP (future) candidates.

They should have demanded Sandy Burglar go to jail. They should have brought much tougher charges against him. They should have brought
others under oath to find out why and who. And they never whould have dropped the issue calling it trousergate (or was that Bill?).

They should have ...you finish ..I'm too tired.
What wimps!

OK, questions:

1. Exactly how many "Texas State House candidates" received a portion of this money? 1? 2? 14?

2. What are there limits PACs can donate to a candidate in Texas? $10,000? Or none at all? It's not terribly clear.

3. "The contribution was made directly to the Republican National Committee within 60 days of a general election." Before or after the elections? And why would it matter 60 days after the election? Would the 61st day be OK? What gives?

4. What needs to be establish is whether or not those contributions were made directly on behalf of the corporations or from individuals (likely higher ups) within the corporations. Is it at all possible a CEO at Sears wrote out the check on the company checkbook (not an impossibility mind you) and sent it to DeLay's PAC?

5. Is DeLay directly involved in the day-to-day operations of his PAC? (I doubt it, he's likely far too busy in D.C. with other things.)

Anybody else wondering these things,too? Do they matter? Just curious.

Peter, the answers to most of your questions lay here

1. Exactly how many "Texas State House candidates" received a portion of this money? 1? 2? 14?

There are seven candidates listed on the indictment as having received these monies.

2. What are there limits PACs can donate to a candidate in Texas? $10,000? Or none at all? It's not terribly clear

These were not PAC contributions, but corporate contributions funneled through the Republican Majority PAC to the candidates.

3. "The contribution was made directly to the Republican National Committee within 60 days of a general election." Before or after the elections? And why would it matter 60 days after the election? Would the 61st day be OK? What gives?

The check is dated Sept. 13, 2002

4. What needs to be establish is whether or not those contributions were made directly on behalf of the corporations or from individuals (likely higher ups) within the corporations. Is it at all possible a CEO at Sears wrote out the check on the company checkbook (not an impossibility mind you) and sent it to DeLay's PAC?

The contributions were much more than is allowed for individuals, and are listed on the indictment.

5. Is DeLay directly involved in the day-to-day operations of his PAC? (I doubt it, he's likely far too busy in D.C. with other things.)

Yeah, I don't know, but it seems the Grand Jury thought he was involved enough to indict.

Actually, though I believe there are only 3 individual Republicans he has indicted, it took Earle indicted Sen. Hutchinson at least 3 times. Just got done reading the indictment. It seemed rather thin when it came to his involvement. I certainly hope he is bringing more evidence to the table than he did in the Sen. Hutchinson fiasco. On the other hand, if this plays out as the purely partisan witchhunt that it appears to be, then I will be high fiving KKKarl Rove for making judgementdaycometh and their ilk look like the maniacal barking moonbats that we have come to know and love.

And if you want a really poor and deeply confusing explanation of the indictment go the NY Times report

You can see where the Times is trying to make connections all over the place, instead of just giving us straight reporting.

Why does it take 13 paragraphs to get the crux of the indictment? Geezus! What ever "who, what, where, when and possibly why" in journalism. Now it's "who, what I think, where, well kinda where, so-and-so was kinda related to this thing, when, or when I feel like telling you and why? I just told you why!" LOL...funny and sad in the same breath!

mantis:

Thanks for the link. It's helpful to read the actual document. BUT:

"These were not PAC contributions, but corporate contributions funneled through the Republican Majority PAC to the candidates."

Yes, but they were funneled through a PAC to at least look like a PAC contribution. But that in itself doesn't seem like a highly unusual tactic for a corporation to a support a candidate or cause. If memory serves (and it might not given it's my memory!) I need to find the answer to this next question: Was it illegal in 2002 for money to flow through a PAC this way? Or were those laws/rules passed shortly after the 2002 election?

Either way this falls, it's political bad news for the GOP

I wonder who'll be the first to say" This goes straight to the White House." Oops, looks like Howie Dean beat me to it.

From the NY TImes:

"Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said the indictment was further evidence that "alleged illegal activity reaches to the highest levels of the Republican Party."

Close enough for jazz and, ahem, government work.

Sorry for sounding legally dumb, but what exactly does "indictment" mean? Does that mean there's going to be a trial now?

Here's a link explaining (sort of) Texas campaign contribution Regulations. It seems that corporate contributions have been illegal in Texas since 1905, though maybe just since FECA in '72. Either way long before 2002.

jc,

An indictment is a formal criminal charge handed down by a grand jury after considering evidence presented to them by the prosecuter and establishing that enough evidence exists to persue a criminal trial. Under the fifth amendment, all federal charges involving "capital or infamous" crimes must go before a grand jury. States are free to abolish grand juries, but Texas still uses them. If the grand jury hands down an indictment, the criminal trial starts (which is decided by a petit jury, usually 6 or 12 members). So, in short, yes Delay and his associates John Colyandro and Jim Ellis will now face a felony criminal trial.

IMHO, it seems that Colyandro and Ellis are going down for this, but unless Earle has evidence of Delay's direct involvement that we're not aware of, I'll bet he walks.

Actually, Peter F., it's good news for Republicans, if this issue is resolved to substantiate to some point of finality that Earle is using his position to exercise vendettas and political plans -- seems there is a lot of suggestion as to that already, and in only one-fourth a working day. Imagine what we'll know after a few weeks.

Democrats are using a vulnerable time for our country to pile on about more negatives. It doesn't make them smart, or even problem solvers, it just means they're using tough situations for political advantage without regard for what's protective of our country. Pretty low down, in my view, across the board: Pelosi, Feinstein's and Schumer's nonsense about Roberts, and on it goes.

I've already read enough about Earle to form a relatively good image about a sneaky man.

mantis:

Thanks, yet again for the link. (Darn work seems to get in the way of my amatuer sleuthing!)

-S-:

I agree with you on the basic premise that if DeLay's found not guilty it will certainly show's that Earle has used his office for political vendettas and promoting his political agenda. However, it's doubtful the MSM and the Dems will spin it that way. I can see it now:

"It's Bush cronyism at it's most blatant."

"Of course DeLay got off! It was a Republican judge!"

Or whatever crackpot way the Dems can spin it you bet they will. So you can see where I'm going with this thing. (Sorry, I do a poor impression of a moonbat flapping its lips.)

I guess my second and final point would be that given this, on top of the Katrina and Rita fiasco, gas prices, Cindy Shee-nanigans and the stepped up attacks by terrorists in Iraq (which will be even greater in the coming month with the next election), it's not a very good time for the GOP from a publicity standpoint.

Personally, given all this I wouldn't be surprised to see another major (and more public) push by the US and Iraqis against Tal Afar on the Syrian in border in the coming weeks. Not a wag the dog situation, but darn close. A big victory, a quiet and uneventful election and a dead Zarqawi would help Bush and the GOP A LOT right now.

I'm gone for the night.

However, it's doubtful the MSM and the Dems will spin it that way.

When were either ever concerned with the truth?