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I gotta try this "it was just a metaphor" excuse some time...

The police in Somerville, Massachusetts recently arrested a guy they'd been looking for for some time now. There's been a rash of graffiti around the city, and it's had quite a few people concerned. But after a few breaks, they caught their guy, and he's charged with defacing public property.

According to 19-year-old Jason Cutler, he wasn't the only one responsible for it, but admits to being a part of a group of about 10 young people who didn't care for the way the city was changing. Somerville is moving upscale, with poorer people moving out, richer people moving in, and old stores making way to such things as coffee shops.

So, what was the response of Cutler and his friends?

They started tagging the city with the rallying cry "KILL A YUPPIE."

I'm glad he's been arrested, but I have one niggling question:

Why isn't he being charged with a hate crime?

He freely admits he was calling for the murder of people based solely on their economic and social class. In my book, that qualifies as a hate crime, as is commonly defined.

But I guess yuppies aren't considered a "protected class" under the law.


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Comments (78)

Hey have a heart, the poor ... (Below threshold)

Hey have a heart, the poor kid had to move to Billerica.

Think there'd be a hate crime charge if it had been "Kill WHite Trash"?

Phooie he maybe upset over ... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

Phooie he maybe upset over whats happening but he dont have the right to deface public property him and his bunch should be made to clean up the whole mess with a toothbrush and teacup

Most yuppies are white, sor... (Below threshold)
glenn:

Most yuppies are white, sorry, of Northern European ancestry. That might have something to do with it.

Hmmm.Now if he adv... (Below threshold)
ed:

Hmmm.

Now if he advocated the spanking of *gay* yuppies then he'd either get a few offers for a dinner and a movie or he'd be strung up by his toes.

Frankly I don't like "hate crime" laws because they make people unequal before the law. If you're a member of a "protected" class, then your life is worth more than mine. That rather offends me.

It's only a hate crime if i... (Below threshold)
Omni:

It's only a hate crime if it's targeted against a minority... but wait a minute, aren't yuppies a minority? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If it were an actual threat... (Below threshold)
Sue:

If it were an actual threat, then he COULD and SHOULD be charged with a hate crime. Since it was simply hyperbole and graffiti, rather than an ACTUAL act of violence against a class of people, it was NOT a hate crime.

However, you already knew that, didn't you? And you are simply guilty of making a ridiculous attack upon those that fought for and created hate crime legislation.

Pretty poor job at a straw-man argument. If someone attacks a protected class of people, or threatens to attack any group of people, then they can be charged with a hate crime. There is no evidence that anyone that urged for the adoption of hate crime legislation would disapprove of this legislation protecting ANYONE who was targeted based on their membership in a group.

Ok, I don't get it. If he a... (Below threshold)

Ok, I don't get it. If he and his friends had written "Kill A Jew" on walls around the city, would that also simply be considered "hyperbole and graffiti," rather than a hate crime?

Sue:Yes, you did d... (Below threshold)
Inquiring:

Sue:

Yes, you did do a pretty poor job at a straw-man, but you gave it your best, bravo.

Where did Jay attack only the people who fought for and made hate crime legislation? What?! He didn't?! I am shocked! Shocked and awed that he attacked the inconsistency of the law's application!

The kid tagged "Kill the yuppies." Was this simply hyperbole? Sure, the kid could claim that, but how long until that actually begins to escalate beyond rhetoric into action?

No one would wait for it to possibly escalate if it was against a protected class under the law.

Had the kid tagged "Go back to Africa" he would have been slapped with a hate crime so fast his head would spin. It would not matter that that is truly hyperbole and does not threaten violence at all; you cannot simply just pack your stuff and walk to Africa, and it does not even imply force would be used to make anyone comply.

However, tagging "Shoot a redneck" is just a rhetorical cry, nothing more.

I'm just curious, can anyon... (Below threshold)
Chris:

I'm just curious, can anyone cite an actual case where someone wrote graffiti that wasn't aimed at a specific person or persons and was chargd with a hate crime? Since I'm reading these decalarations of fact like "Had the kid tagged "Go back to Africa" he would have been slapped with a hate crime so fast his head would spin" I'm sure there must be examples that are known to you folks and that I just haven't heard of.

Also, could anyone point to... (Below threshold)
Tom:

Also, could anyone point to a case where someone was charged with a hate crime for threatening a white male?

Sue, any thoughts?

So, it's now a crime to adv... (Below threshold)
Matt:

So, it's now a crime to advocate killing Yuppies? Bummer, there goes my summer vacation plans. The graffiti is vandalism and a crime, the sentiment is/should be protected speech under the 1st amendment. Bet one of those Yuppy lawyers winds up defending him (Pro-Bono of course) and taking up to the supreme court.

I guess when the ACLU attac... (Below threshold)
moseby:

I guess when the ACLU attacks the Boy Scouts we can consider it a hate crime?

The speech is only protecte... (Below threshold)
Tom:

The speech is only protected as long as it is not meant to incite an actual act of violence (in my non-legal parlance). I would imagine that someone bent on killing Yuppies would use a more effective method of inciting violence, but I suppose it would (should?) be up to a court to decide.

moseby writes: "I guess whe... (Below threshold)
John:

moseby writes: "I guess when the ACLU attacks the Boy Scouts we can consider it a hate crime?"

No, I think that's actually a self-hate crime. Only someone harboring enormous amounts of self-abhorrence and genetic hostility towards good and wholesome things would sue the Boy Scouts.

John

i have lived in somerville ... (Below threshold)
scotty:

i have lived in somerville my whole life, im only 19 and i have been to more funerals then my grandmother, kids i grew up with all my life are addicted to herion, killing themselves or being killed. How many "yuppies" have been killed? None, so why is there no help for the kids who die in the street, but just the threat of rich taxpayer taken so seriously?

Hey Scotty, nice nonsequito... (Below threshold)
John:

Hey Scotty, nice nonsequitor you've got going on there.

First, what convinces you there is "no help for the kids who die in the street"?

Why are kids dying in the street? Could it be their own irresponsibility, or do we need to blame that on the yuppies, too?

Maybe skating on public streets should be made illegal if kids can't figure out a way to do it safely. That would save countless lives, and that's what we want, right?

And what about parents of underage kids who are skating on the street? Should those parents be held responsible for allowing their kids to be in such (obvious) danger?

The phrase for today is: personal responsibility. Please embrace it.

John

If someone sprayed graffiti... (Below threshold)
Sue:

If someone sprayed graffiti that said "kill a Jew", or "kill all the white men", or "kill a pregnant black woman", it would still be hyperbole and vandalism, and NOT a hate crime. It is legal to SAY hateful things. The crime here is spraypainting other's property. If they spraypainted ONLY Jew's property, then it COULD be a hate crime.

Both JayTea AND other posters attempt to create a strawman here. It is NOT necessary to explicitly say something in order to be pushing an agenda. The reason for JayTea to question why THIS kid was not charged with a hate crime was to call into question hate crimes. Of that there is NO doubt. However, THIS is NOT an example of a hate crime, since it is hyperbole, not a legitimate threat or an actual physical crime.

Hate crime legislation protects ANYONE that is targeted because of their classification, whether that means they are gay or black or female or yuppie. If yuppies become a targeted group, then they should be protected, and I would strenuously object to ANY denial of protection to yuppies if they did become a targeted group in danger from actual physical crimes or legitimate threats.

When yuppies actually become a targeted group, please let me know.

Sue,Question: How ... (Below threshold)
Tom:

Sue,

Question: How many yuppies need to die before they become a "targeted group"? 1? 10? 10,000? I'd love to know.

Are blacks a "targeted group"? How about homosexuals? How is that defined, exactly? And who, exactly, is doing the "targeting"?

Finally, how do you decide which speech is protected hyperbole and which is a direct threat? Is all graffiti simple hyperbole? What about spoken threats?

Do you see the problem with hate crime laws? Perhaps if we just treated everyone with, oh I don't know, equality under the law we might be able to avoid all this BS and punish those who spew hate to boot. Just a random, obviously 'straw man' type thought.

The whole concept of "hate ... (Below threshold)
John:

The whole concept of "hate crime" would seem completely stupid to me were it not for the political motivation behind the thing. To my mind, that takes it out of the "stupid" column, and puts it in the "insidious" column.

We have laws that exist to provide for penalties, the application of which should serve to protect people and their property from harm. (In my opinion, the only problem with the law now is that the penalties for breaking them aren't applied often and harshly enough. I don't think we don't have a "law" problem so much as we have a "judge" problem.

So far as I have seen, there is no proposed "hate crime" law that adds anything to the level of protection afforded and guaranteed every legal citizen of this country; they only serve to elevate above everyone else one group of people who have in common a belief system at variance with others. In short, they're "special."

Last I checked, one of the documents on which this country is based states: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

I believe Jefferson's words apply today.

So, if your rights are being violated, or someone has caused you harm, our legal system already has at your disposal everything you need seek and gain relief.

As for "special laws" to cover instances where someone not only stuck a fork in your eye, but did so with a sneer because he thinks you're "X" -- hate to break it to you, but you're not that "special."

John

What a nice attitude you pe... (Below threshold)
Stephen McL:

What a nice attitude you people have. Particularly you John. Its the kids fault their dead, so forget them. Yuppies didnt personally go up and shoot the in the head, or put the heoin in their veins, or put their belt around their neck and hang them. They did it themselvs, so its their fault! No sympathy for these kids why obviosly have more serious problems on their mind than "The Someday cafe ran out os scones". Their dead, its not my problem, its theirs. Oh, and their families, friends, old nieghbors, or anyone who gives a damn when a 16 year old kid is stabbed to death, or a 19 year old overdoses, or an 18 year old shoots himself in the head. Maybe im just a little too sympathetic when it comes to kids not even out of High school and feel so hopeless they would rathe shoot themselves than go on another day.

What a nice attitude you pe... (Below threshold)
Stephen McL:

What a nice attitude you people have. Particularly you John. Its the kids fault their dead, so forget them. Yuppies didnt personally go up and shoot the in the head, or put the heoin in their veins, or put their belt around their neck and hang them. They did it themselvs, so its their fault! No sympathy for these kids why obviosly have more serious problems on their mind than "The Someday cafe ran out os scones". Their dead, its not my problem, its theirs. Oh, and their families, friends, old nieghbors, or anyone who gives a damn when a 16 year old kid is stabbed to death, or a 19 year old overdoses, or an 18 year old shoots himself in the head. Maybe im just a little too sympathetic when it comes to kids not even out of High school and feel so hopeless they would rather shoot themselves than go on another day.

Here, john, maybe this will... (Below threshold)
StephenMcL:

Here, john, maybe this will make it more personal for you. David Leo Martini. Bobby J. Hartigan, James Slattery, Ryan Henry Sullivan, Danny Nunes, Chris Ormond, Matty O'Brien, and the list goes on. All dead before twenty, and according to John all fully responsable for what happened. I hate to single one guy out, but john is a horrible excuse for a human being and is the real problem kids have with yuppies, they just dont care.

Woa there StephenMcL. Take... (Below threshold)
Tom:

Woa there StephenMcL. Take a deep, cleansing breath. (Can you smell the freshly baked scones?)

There, doesn't that feel better.

Now, what did John say that was so horrible. From what I can tell he was arguing for everyone being equal under the law regardless of race, religion or creed. Sound familiar? It should.

For the record, getting emotional and jumping down someone's throat for pointing out that laws should apply equally to everyone will win you no arguments outside of the Democratic Underground’s basement (at least that's where I assume they live, given their name) and Moveon.org's message board.

"Why are kids dying in the ... (Below threshold)
stephenmcl:

"Why are kids dying in the street? Could it be their own irresponsibility, or do we need to blame that on the yuppies, too?"
that about sums it up. if you knew the kids who died you'd be a biy miffed too.

"Question: How many yuppies... (Below threshold)
StephenMcL:

"Question: How many yuppies need to die before they become a "targeted group"? 1? 10? 10,000? I'd love to know."
I have a question for you, Tom. How many kids died from drug overdoses or suicides before something was done to help them? How many Yuppies have died in the history of Somerville? As far as I know none. And yet, as soon as something comes up and scares them, the cops are right on it. Why is that?

Let's see. I'd imagine tha... (Below threshold)
Tom:

Let's see. I'd imagine that it's because kids (or anyone, for that matter) dying of an overdose is one of those self-administered Darwinian acts. It's really not (or shouldn't be) the police's job to stop such things.

On the other hand, if there is a threat against a specific person or a specific (specially protected (read: not yuppie)) group, then it is the job of the police to investigate.

But look, I'm not going to change your mind in the comments of a Wizbang post. Have a nice life.

Until next time.

Hey, Tom, I recall a time w... (Below threshold)
StephenMcL:

Hey, Tom, I recall a time when the police had the responseablity to stop the flow of drugs. But that must have been the same time when there was sympathy for drug addicted teenagers who, according to you, are all just part of the whole Darwinian theory of "only the strong survive, the drug addicted and desperate should be allowed to die". Also, I'm not saying its the police's responsability to do something for the teenagers, but it is the city's job. Or do you think the weak-minded sixteen-year-old kid's addicted to drugs are out of city jurisdiction? Maybe you're right. The police should clean up grafitti, and deal with the cities other menial tasks. As for the kids, hey thats thier problem right? Why Should We care? Until the day its your kids on the news hanging themselvs, or the Principal of your kids high school is announcing over the loudspeaker that another one of their classmates Overdosed last night and wont be around anymore. This would probably mean more to you, but I doubt you have kids, otherwise you might know something about the pain we feel when the city loses another son.

Simple equation:Pa... (Below threshold)
Tom:

Simple equation:

Parents + Personal Responsibility = Good Kids

Any questions?

I would like to ask another... (Below threshold)
StephenMcL:

I would like to ask another question, tom. What city are you from? Because it sure as hell ist my Somerville. Ive lived here all my life and in my day, which wasnt too long ago I might add, when the communities kids start dying, its everybodies problem. But maybe I,m just old fashioned that way. But I suppose I,m outnumbered here, I can tell a yuppie ran website when I see one. If you were life-long residents like Scotty or I, you would know how the Ville used to do things. Some people used to give a damn.

Well, Tom, I suppose it wou... (Below threshold)
StephenMcL:

Well, Tom, I suppose it would be inkeeping with the rest of youre posts to now attck the greiving parents of the dead kids. How many Kids do you have?

Stephen, if you'd like to c... (Below threshold)
Tom:

Stephen, if you'd like to continue this conversation I'd be more than happy to do so. Just drop me an email or stop by my blog. I think we've eaten up enough Wizbang bandwidth with what is likely to be an endless argument.

I dont think we have. Nobod... (Below threshold)
StephenMcLaughlin:

I dont think we have. Nobody but you or me has typed anything on this for some time. Until they do you respond to me here. No Emails.

I've been here since the ea... (Below threshold)
Random Thoughts:

I've been here since the early 90s, here's my take.

Why does any discussion of something like this result in someone reciting a f**king litany of the saints and sinners that have gone before us. Matty’s been almost gone four years now and I’m getting tired of people like you invoking his name and whining how the city needs to do something. Yes Stephen, the city needs to step up for these kids, OK, but what? What do these kids need to keep them away from oxycontin and heroin and ultimately killing themselves?
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Also, I understand Cutter’s got a prior for A&B. Turn this around for a second; suppose you had some “yuppie” with a violent past running around spray-painting “Kill a Townie” all around town.
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P.S. Has anyone seriously busted William Tighe’s chops over Ryan Sullivan? Here’s an idiot who spent a year out of circulation for harassing and assaulting a couple of teenage women, and his first night out of the pen insults some women, gets into a fight with their men and ultimately winds up in Ryan’s stabbing. Does he get a pass because “he’s one of us,” too? Just curious.

Ive lived here in Somervill... (Below threshold)
StephenMcL:

Ive lived here in Somerville for the eighteen years ive been alive and when someone like you, Random Thoughts, thinks he can act like he knows shit about shit here because hes been around how long? Since the early 90s? That means nothing. And dont bust my balls about Ryan Sullivan, he was my best friend my entire life and the natives of Somerville will decide who gets the blame. Whether it be Billy Tighe or that scumbag Spinucci and his friends. By the way, Townies are from Charlestown, Villens are from Somerville. And if a yuppie went around writing to kill us, he'd get his ass kicked, not arrested. I dont care if youve lived here one year or one-hundred years, if you didnt grow up here, you will never be fully accepted. Especially with condecending dicks like you with your college education thinking that makes you better than we so-called "townies". See! No I'm all flustered! and Iwas having a good day. Watch what you say.

I swear to God if any of yo... (Below threshold)
StephenMcL:

I swear to God if any of you yuppies tell me to calm down and smell any "freshly-Baked scones" I will go down to Davis Square and vent my frustration on your coffie shops and stolling minstrals! Dont try to come into a tightly knit community like Somerville, rip it apart and then expect to be welcome members of our society. You do NOT have the same rights as the natives! The law may say you do, but according to us, you DONT!

Stephen, was that a written... (Below threshold)
Tom:

Stephen, was that a written threat or just a metaphor? Should we yuppies be informing the police that we've been threatened again?

Gotta go. Scones in the oven.

"I dont care if youve lived... (Below threshold)
Random Thoughts:

"I dont care if youve lived here one year or one-hundred years, if you didnt grow up here, you will never be fully accepted."

"You do NOT have the same rights as the natives! The law may say you do, but according to us, you DONT!"

Whooooooooooooooooooooeee.

And you wonder why some people don't give a flying fuck about your situation.

Let's forget about that. I'll never be able to grow up here, but I am the parent of two "lifelong Somerville residents".

Here, let me repeat myself:

Stephen, the city needs to step up for these kids, OK, but what? What do these kids need to keep them away from oxycontin and heroin and ultimately killing themselves?

Stephen, didn't mean to bus... (Below threshold)
Random Thoughts:

Stephen, didn't mean to bust your chops about Ryan. He's a hero for stepping into that situation, and those two scumbags should get the book thrown at them. Tighe should get at least two minutes for instigating and a double helping of guilt for what he brought on.

Tom, go shove your scones up your ass.

I'm a little confused as to... (Below threshold)
JessicaA:

I'm a little confused as to what this whole discussion is actually wrapping around because people are all jumping in different directions which is fine, but I just wanted to offer my support to stephen and scotty being from Somerville myself and close to several of those boys mentioned in stephen's thread. i fail to see how yuppies have anything to do with johns statement about people taking individual responsible for what has happened to them. i don't think anybody is blaming yuppies for the death of those boys but who on earth are you to suggest it was their own fault when you have no knowledge of the situations?

it was an insensitive statement and like stephen said, if you knew any of those boys, you wouldn't have spoken a single word close to that.

And for the record TOM, being sarcastic and demeaning to a boy who is effectively arguing a point that you can't possibly (and hopefully will never HAVE to) understand is petty and unnecessary.

Take care.

In my defense I offered my ... (Below threshold)
Tom:

In my defense I offered my opinion and Stephen didn't like it. I offered to take the discussion to the privacy of email to avoid filling Wizbang's comments section with useless crap (which, for some reason, I'm still doing).

As for being sarcastic, too bad. I'm tired of people who keep coming back with the same points over and over again...especially when they don't hold water.

And for the record, I don't even like scones. And for the further, it was not I who brought those nasty, rock-hard New England treats into the conversation. And one more thing, I think that the suggestion that I place any such large, rock-hard New England treat in my lower colon could be seen as a direct threat against my person and should be taken seriously be the authorities.

Oh, and JessicaA. Who's the "boy" effectively arguing points here? Guess I've been hanging around this thread too long. Here's to unsubscribing. If anyone wants to continue this conversation you know how to get a hold of me (electronically, that is).

For whatever reason, when I... (Below threshold)
JessicaA:

For whatever reason, when I stumbled upon this site today, the only comments I saw were up to October 24th. The rest weren't there. I may have gotten an old link or something, I don't know. But that might make my previous post make more sense. And that boy I was referring to was Stephen and his posts regarding John's posts, if you are really that concerned. But none of these posts change what I wrote in my last one.

The only thing I have to add is that this argument between you two went nowhere primarily as a result of the fact that you are not in Stephen's shoes and it is impossible to fully understand what he is expressing until you are, which i am in many ways, and which you can't be. That's the only reason I'm continuing to post this because i understand stephen's posts and take offense to the same posts he does. And you recognized that at one point, you said you can't change his mind so you'll just go but then you kept coming back. You couldn't help defending yourself and provoking stephen with more immature jokes about scones in the oven and whatnot.

Finally, blanket statements suggesting that the way to get good kids are parents and personal responsibility is ridiculous. You know as well as any person with a brain that there are factors completely separate from all of that. I could ramble off examples and situations but I don't feel like that would help my case at all, unless you really can't wrap your mind around the concept I'll just save the examples.

That's all then. Take care.

Jessica/Stephen - does anyo... (Below threshold)
Random Thoughts:

Jessica/Stephen - does anyone know why the Cutters sold their house and moved out to Billerica? One of the things that bugs me about this whole situation is that he's been quoted that his parents made "a ton of money" when they sold their house while he's out raving against some of the same forces that his parents to make that ton of money. It's pretty hypocritical.

im willing to make a bet 90... (Below threshold)
Villen:

im willing to make a bet 90% of you are not from Somerville or any place like it, so have no idea what its like or how these kids feel so you shouldnt speak on anything and keep your views in your coffee shops cuz like steve said, those who know anything about places like somerville know your yuppie rhetoric wouldnt be taken lightly, infact you would most likely be hospitalized and please dont respond by telling where your from, maybe your from somerville and you just dont get it. IN the city of Somerville the youth crime rate and death toll grows, we can blame the kids i supose but it makes me think why in this 4sq mile city are there just bad kids, why doesnt this happen so much in cities as close as medford or cambridge, not to say it doesnt happen and it is strickly a Somerville problem but check the stats Somervilles is off the charts but i guess there must be something in the water. The message was hateful, a hate crime, maybe, but Jason Cutter is not alone, he is backed by the cities youth who feel the same way he does, what was done was wrong but the question why is ignored. We are dealing with city kids who lashed out the only way they knew how, what they group up seeing and no one ever cared. There is an anger in these kids we can lock up the hole high school or try to understand and help but you dont understand and just dont get so the cycle continues.

Jason Cutter's not backed b... (Below threshold)
overcaffeinated:

Jason Cutter's not backed by a majority of the cities' youth, just the small bunch of hoodlums that consists of you and your friends. Why is it that a lot of SHS kids go on to college (including Harvard, wow) and you continue to bitch about others. No wonder people find it hard to care about you.

Face it, someone sold you short. There are families moving into Somerville who expect more out of their kids in a week than anyone ever expected out of you in a year.

Hey, overcaffinated, I love... (Below threshold)
StephenMcL:

Hey, overcaffinated, I love people like you with your internet tough-guy attitude. You dont mind disrespecting people because all they can do is lodge a rebuttle. Of course you could be the kind of guy who is a dick to everyone because you feel youre college education makes you supirior. The fact of the matter is, how do you know the feelings of somerville youth, are you a somervile youth, were you ever? I am a Somerville youth, my friends are, they all agree with Cutter. Maybe he could have done it in a different way, but why is grafitti such a big deal to you people" This being a city, not the suburbs, not everyone agrees with youre bullshit yuppie rhetoric. If you do live in Somerville, than try to ask a kid who is not the product of hippie-yuppie brainwashing how the feel about the grafitti. You, again, are the reason the somerville youth has contempt for yuppies, you have snobby attitudes and dont care about the problems facing the real somerville, outside of your social bubble.

By the way, Overcaffinated,... (Below threshold)
StephenMcL:

By the way, Overcaffinated, the point you made about some students going on to Harvard is true. Unfortunately it is also completely irrelevant. Any kid from any school in any city can make it to Harvard if they have the right advantages. The fact is Somerville is a very diverse city for only four square miles. We have El Salvadorian gang members as well as white scholars, an El Salvadorian Scholars as well as white gang members. Some people dont have the same advantages as others. If you disagree, look at the kids living in the mystic projects and then the kids whose parents are lawyers and say they both have the same chances of getting into Harvard. You are probably one of the privileged kids, so I cant expect you to understand those of us who werent so lucky. The kids who disagree with Cutter probably have your privileges too, which is why they dont know and dont care and dont understand people like Cutter, or Scotty, or Jessica, or Villen, or Me. And you never will.

By the way, Overcaffinated,... (Below threshold)
SteveMcL:

By the way, Overcaffinated, the point you made about some students going on to Harvard is true. Unfortunately it is also completely irrelevant. Any kid from any school in any city can make it to Harvard if they have the right advantages. The fact is Somerville is a very diverse city for only four square miles. We have El Salvadorian gang members as well as white scholars, an El Salvadorian Scholars as well as white gang members. Some people don?t have the same advantages as others. If you disagree, look at the kids living in the mystic projects and then the kids whose parents are lawyers and say they both have the same chances of getting into Harvard. You are probably one of the privileged kids, so I cant expect you to understand those of us who weren?t so lucky. The kids who disagree with Cutter probably have your privileges too, which is why they don?t know and don?t care and don?t understand people like Cutter, or Scotty, or Jessica, or Villen, or Me. And you never will.

I happen to know that for a... (Below threshold)
S-Ville:

I happen to know that for a fact Jay Cutter is backed by more than a few hoodlums.Yes Somerville kids have gone on to college even Harvard, the same case is in LA or DC but there also is a good amount that die before there 21 and even a small amount is to much.Becouse peolple escape is no reason to forget the ones that fall threw the cracks, i assume you have no remorse or sympathy because you simply cant relate. Yes some one did sell us short and i think that was the point He was trying to make. They dont expect more from there kids, there kids get more so they have more. You dont live it so you dont know, dont get it and never will.

Now adays every body wants ... (Below threshold)
westville:

Now adays every body wants to blam the youth. Lets face it WE gave them a world thats cursed and it hurts.Can you blame them for being upset. Tom, John, or who every else wants to take shots at the youth for the situation they are in needs to back off. Act like adults, you are going back and forth with kids that are pissed. You blame them for being pissed and the situation there in. Sometimes you can't help the life you are giving and you are put in a place where the odds of sucsess against you. Many Somerville youth over come this sisuation they are put in, but in some case's the odds are stacked to high against them. That dose not mean you should blame them for the card they where delt. The Yuppie situation and the death of are youth are two very different things, but are going on in the same community. You guys should be talking the time to understand theses Somerville youth instead of trying to out smart them and put the down for the situation they feel they are in.Instead of fighting with thses kids, try and understand the way they feel and where they are coming from.It's not about the "yuppie's" that they are mad it's that they have lost so many friends and nothing is done, and once "Kill a yuppie" pops up witch not many concider them slefs "yuppie's"it's the citys big problem when young kids are still dying and there are people who don't cair because they don't know them or as one of you said it's their own fault.

Well said westville. Thank ... (Below threshold)
JessicaA:

Well said westville. Thank you.

P.S. Has anyone seriously b... (Below threshold)
My Village:

P.S. Has anyone seriously busted William Tighe’s chops over Ryan Sullivan? Here’s an idiot who spent a year out of circulation for harassing and assaulting a couple of teenage women, and his first night out of the pen insults some women, gets into a fight with their men and ultimately winds up in Ryan’s stabbing. Does he get a pass because “he’s one of us,” too? Just curious.

Dose Billy Tighe get a pass hell NO, and he's not one of us. Billy Tighe is looked at as a bitch and a punk by his peers and get's no respect by fellow Somervillians. After Ryans death many people wanted a peace of Billy, but it was Ryans brothers who said that he dosn't want that. Billy Tighte gets no pass in Somerviile he is one of the most hated Somerville kids around. To answer your question fuck no that bitch dosn't get shit I hope he stays locked up.

Posted by: Random Thoughts at October 26, 2005 11:41 AM

One more thing I'd like to ... (Below threshold)
westville:

One more thing I'd like to add Billy Tighe get's no pass from his peers. Billy gets no respect from the community or the youth and I hope he stays locked up.I grew up with him and he's scum.

hello, ive just found out a... (Below threshold)
jason cutter:

hello, ive just found out about this thing and as you all know because you are ALL talking about me (good or bad) i am the one an only the famous jason cutter i guess...well i guess ive created quite a stirr here so if anybody has anything to say questions coments anything please ask me or tell me because im pretty sure that I will know what I feel and i can give you some answers, i would like everyone to know the real story if they WANT to thats why im not gunna bother the ones who dnt care an jus like writing crap for the sake of crap so if you really are wondering about all the stuff that went on you are more than welcome to hit me up my email is [email protected] i will gladly tell you anything you want to know and i would like to hear your comments an how you fell as well so feel free to e mail me okay...


oh yeah one more thing...LONG LIVE THE KING


lol see ya lada

Hi Cutter!... (Below threshold)
smcl:

Hi Cutter!

How dare any of you utter t... (Below threshold)
yuppie killer:

How dare any of you utter the name of some one you dont know that died and tell people to move on. Matty is an example he was the first in a rash of deaths you idot thats why thew pain still lives. Im glad you have kids in the city. they will suffer the same as we have then spew your bull shit on them, you wanna talk big get big. i dare you to go to lexington, lincoln or kelly park and say any of this to the kids there. good luck walking home with broken legs

i grew up with billy tighe ... (Below threshold)
teele sq:

i grew up with billy tighe and was good firends with him until i was about 16. this kid is no good. he has always been bi-polar. the kid can be happy and out-going one moment, and the next he's trying to fight you.

for a better insight into why billy acts this way, refer to this page, written by someone who used to live upstairs from billy. zeitgeist.numachi.com/katt/letters/gangs.html

^this is an interesting read.

god bless somerville. yuppies, and all. especially my peers who never made it to see today. R.I.P. boys.

thanks, teele sq for mentio... (Below threshold)
drinkmoxie:

thanks, teele sq for mentioning the katt h posting - she says a lot about a lot of things that nobody really wants to talk about... and thanks for hanging in there smcl and SOSvillens.
I stumbled onto this thread, or googled on to it, because I saw in the Glob today a front pager in the City Weekly about an Arlington High student who killed himself and surely drugs were part of the mix and thought, hmmm, here's a kid, jock, loved, drugs, cops in the family and killed himself with family gun. Sound like someone from Somerville? Arlington makes page one of City Weekly (Lexington would probably get top headline Front Page), ours...well, I was googling around to see if David M.'s story showed up anywhere besides the Journal, guess not, but I did wind up here so it was worth it. Good discussion.

I thought the same thing. S... (Below threshold)
stevemcl:

I thought the same thing. Someone in Somerville kills themself, or O.D's, and its in the death log. Someone from Arlington, they get a front page of our paper! But of all the Ville's deaths how many got the front page of anything, even in our own paper? I dont think its simply because its so rare in Arlington , but because death and scary things of this sort dont helpthe real estate industry. A yuppie sees this in their morning paper find it hard to avoid, some grafitti on the street can be cleaned away, and forgotten.

I don't buy it as a real es... (Below threshold)
drinkmoxie:

I don't buy it as a real estate interest plot (although who knows?) - nobody but nobody wants to talk about it. After the first memorial meeting for Matty O'Brien at KP and all the SHS and authorities left, everybody lit up and did one for Matty, not a good solution - I wasn't there but heard this from one of his cousins the next day. She was furious. And then the afterhours drinking club at the Little League, nothing happened about that either. Sometimes a community has to stand up and fess up and take charge. Too many people are sitting back and saying oh, Somerville's always been like that. Maybe some piece of the truth there, but it doesn't have to be that way.

17 deaths of young people u... (Below threshold)
westville:

17 deaths of young people under the age of 20 in between 2001-04 years that is the number. Non of witch where even talked about in any paper not even the Journal. When Matty died there was something in the Journal but that was quickly swept under the rug. Afer Matty and Elliot no body would talk about the rash of OD's, Sucides, 11 pharmacy roberys for Oxys or ever the 4 murders that occured in 2004. Somerville dosn't like to talk about it peoblems, sounds like some place many of us know ie: Southie Boston's gem neighborhood with some of the highest Suicide and Over dose rate in the state. Just like Southie Somerville is looking past this problem thinking it will pass. While in the mean time those kids that where using Oxy's in 2001 are now the same herion users that are getting swept under the rug. But hay this new money is making people forget who is in the real pain here not the yuppies it's our youth. People need to step up and be roll modles for youth. Stop bashing or talking about kid you don't know and step up and help the citys youth

well said, good sir, well s... (Below threshold)
dirtymick:

well said, good sir, well said.

Okay im sick of everyone bl... (Below threshold)
karissa:

Okay im sick of everyone blaming ryan sullivans death on billy. i doubht ryan would. i think its sick how ppl blame billy for ryans death more then the 2 scumbags that actually took the effort to stab ryan multiple times, Billy isnt the reason ruans dead, its the people that actually murdered him. billy didnt want this to happpen, i seen billy at ryans funeral and if he dint care about this he wouldnt be seen outside by himself absolutly distraught. it seemslike the 2 that did this to ryan areforgot about,well thats bullshit, blame them once in a while, not billy, And what about Danielle Leblank? the girl that told the 2 guys to do it? shes off scott free, maybe we should start thinking about her scumbag ass, instead of billy. i understand trouble foolows billy around, hes a kid with troubles, but none of you who dont know him, or ruan have any rite to blame him for the death of his dear friend thanks- karissa

HEY MY VILLAGE why dont you... (Below threshold)
LP KID:

HEY MY VILLAGE why dont you state your name for all of us here on this pussy chat sight anyone can sit at a key board and talk shit or even pick up a gun and shoot someone but it takes a real man to "shoot the fair ones" so when billy gets out why dont you say it to his face and u 2 can bang the ones or if u cant wait that long and your lookin for a fight come on down to lexington and get handled by all us "youngins" (if your man enough that is) and when billy does get out i would love to see u say it to his face and when he's done beatin your ass YOU CAN GET YOUR SOMERVILLE PASS REVOKED OFFICIALLY by all of us and if your offended by this round up all your boys and come and find me its not too hard im at the park everyday so bring the ruckus mo'fucka

HEY MY VILLAGE why dont you... (Below threshold)
LP KID:

HEY MY VILLAGE why dont you state your name for all of us here on this pussy chat sight anyone can sit at a key board and talk shit or even pick up a gun and shoot someone but it takes a real man to "shoot the fair ones" so when billy gets out why dont you say it to his face and u 2 can bang the ones or if u cant wait that long and your lookin for a fight come on down to lexington and get handled by all us "youngins" (if your man enough that is) and when billy does get out i would love to see u say it to his face and when he's done beatin your ass YOU CAN GET YOUR SOMERVILLE PASS REVOKED OFFICIALLY by all of us and if your offended by this round up all your boys and come and find me its not too hard im at the park everyday so bring the ruckus mo'fucka

I think that dude "my villa... (Below threshold)
LP:

I think that dude "my village" as well as everybody else in here thats talkin shit about things that they dont even kno anything about. This is OUR village includin Billy Tighe and everyone from Lincoln to LP. And if you people eva wanna come out from the front of that keyboard and show your face you can easily find any of us anywhere, but specifically i would want you to come to LEXINGTON PARK and find me and tha rest of tha hoodlums u just love to write about so much u fuckin nosey ass bitch made motha fuckas if you havent lived in Somerville for at least ten years you cant say shit about it and if u do say it(not type it on a gay ass chat room) to a real somervillens face, u betta protect ya self motha fucka ~1~

ONE LOVE TO MY VILLENS

LP Kid your a funny one. I... (Below threshold)
My Village:

LP Kid your a funny one. I am "from" Somerville, still in Somerville. Why can't I experss my opinion on the matter of Billy if all the people on here that don't know him can??? I was just answering a question that was asked. You don't know me, and I guess I don't know what's going on in this city I grew up in right?? Your joking thinking I wont walk down LP anytime of day no matter who is there. Shoot the fair one's with Billy that's old, buddy grow up, If I feel that way about the kid it's my right, but if you want to be a fool and start shit that's your right too. One more thing, you wanna call me out saying I'm not using my name, use yours, I bet I know you. Kid.

I didn't think people still... (Below threshold)
Westville:

I didn't think people still posted on here. Then I saw this.

"but specifically i would want you to come to LEXINGTON PARK and find me and tha rest of tha hoodlums u just love to write about"

I'm from Lexinton park, was there when 'WE" came up with the name LP, still go down there, I'm working hard to see that the kids down there can get a full Basketball court with art work in tribute to Ryan Sullivan done on it. LP kid, what ever you beef is with this guy, kid, woman, what ever just forget it, the cat posted it in 2005 it's nothing new don't waste your time with it, but I have a problem that your calling the kids down that park "hoodlems", and calling people out to fight,in an attempt to bring senceless beef the nieghborhood. The kids I know from that park, and I know most of them, are SOLID SOMERVILLE kids not a bunch "hoodlems".I'm not one to type much, but I do stand up for those kids down there when some people do like to talk about them. I'm working to make positve change down that park, and having a kid claim LP telling people online to get there boys AND COME DOWN LP is just stupid and imature, Especially when SOS is trying to do good things for the kids from LP.Help me out just drop it.

Is this serious? You guys o... (Below threshold)
12spin88:

Is this serious? You guys obviously have way too much time on your hands. Yuppies....villians or whatever you call yourselves, who cares. You people do not own the city. Any you should not be speaking of the ryan sullivan case when not ONE of you had a clue about it. All you know is what you hear. It is a tragedy but you can not point fingers. You were not there. Niether may you judge. Back to reality.

12spin88, Your right non of... (Below threshold)
VILLESIDE:

12spin88, Your right non of us on here was there, but we do know the people who were there that, and hear there first hand account of what happend.

SHUT UP! you idiots, none o... (Below threshold)
minus A.I.:

SHUT UP! you idiots, none of you no nothing of anything, and you do a terrible job at pretending to care, all of you, you disgust me, hiding behind your alias' alowing a monitor to sheild you from truth, bunch of knuckle dragging self endulged backwards walking morons, are you that bored?? i mean really?? you sit and talk about each others rights and so forth but who are you to speak of someone who is not here?? what gives you that right to throw around peoples names as if they were your close and dear friend?? and yet you cannot even give your own name when speaking of them?? HOW DARE YOU! you people have some nerve...you all make me want to throw up so go back and hide behind your fortress of keyboards and cute little nick names, and false ideas, i am truly disgusted.

hi i'm katt- thats my real ... (Below threshold)
katt:

hi i'm katt- thats my real name.

i'm not from somerville- i've lived here about nine years, but i'm from a different place, and i'm moving to roxbury in september.

my town, ann arbor michigan, it was DESTROYED, MUTILATED, and utterly rendered UNRECOGNIZABLE by GENTRIFICATIOn-- or, in short- YUPPIES. I don't like killing or violance, sure, but i do a DANCE whenever i see one of those "Kill the Yuppies" graffittis still up. its like a bomb went off where i'm from, a bomb that leaves the buildings but kills all the people, and replaces them with yuppie-monsters. . . . . fucking horrible, oh yes, no erudite language for it, it is FUCKING HORRIBLE. I'm not there because there's nothing left- my friends, my friends' businesses, homes, apartments, the hangouts, haunts, god, everything's been gentrified all to hell.

same thing in cambridge, where i tried to move cause it reminded me of home, until it happened there, too.

i help run an art gallery in cambridge- its called the zeitgeist gallery, and its always been run almopst entirely by people who don't have much money or resources. . . . . its supposed to be a gallery for PEOPLE, not snobs and rich people and yuppies. and sometimes it IS and sometimes it ISN'T .

for those from somerville, i wanted to know your thoughts, if you'll grace me--

whenever an art space opens, it seems to attract the dreaded, horrible, evil, un-caring, don't give a shit YUPPIES!!! UGH!!!! how, how, how can a community make places like that that dont' bring about their own destruction? I'm particularly interested in hearing from people who've lived here their whole LIVES, yes. . . .

what does this have to do with the really heavy stuff being talked abut here? well, its no exageration, i know it sounds cheezy as shit, but its TRUE as shit, too, that when i was growing up the musicians and artists in my town SAVED MY LIFE. they encouraged me, and showed me places to go and play my little fiddle, and people to play music with, and people to play music for. and the college in my town was way cheaper at the time, and i was able to go there. . . . . they took me in when i had no place to go, and my life was going to be one long horrible disaster.

i know not everybody is at all interested in music and art and stuff, some people are interested in science or sports or history or traveling or cars and machines what have you, and there should be spaces for people to learn about ALL of that, so we can all do things that make us tick, but thats what i know how to do, its about all i'm good at.

Thats the MAIN thing thats changed, in my poor destroyed little home town, is that there are fewer and fewer and fewer people who GIVE a FLIYING F*&K about what happens to their neighbors anymore. . . . . the next kid like me who comes along, those people who helped me won't be there, cause no one can afford to LIVE there anymore. . . . . no one who doesn't spend all their time and energy making HUGE PILES of money to afford the MAD EXPENSIVE houses.

anyway, what helps alieviate all this horribel stuff, kids dying from drugs and fighting? what makes the world les frustrating? affordable housing, things to do, places to hang out, jobs, alternative schools, community gardens, parks, classes with no grades(oh what are they called, afterschool things), fencing clubs, marching bands(they have one in JP called Stick and Rag), circus training classes(like the unicycle lessons i see arund here), open mics for youths, art shows, radio stations, invention clubs, parent support groups, what? can you envision an arts place that woudl be helpful, or are they all, always, an invasion?

there so answer here, if you want, or write me if you want, too:
[email protected]


Sorry but if you want a bet... (Below threshold)
staydirty:

Sorry but if you want a better life, you need a better neighborhood. If you want to have thugs, townies, brats and noise, you get what you tolerate. You get loitering kids who should be at home studying so they don't end up as deadbeats like their townie parents. You get litter and rats and then blame the city for not holding your lazy McDonalds soda cup tossin' ass hands. You get killing and crime because the bum parents should never have been allowed breed. Listen up, quit the "I'm a townie an' I'm here all my mofo life" maoning and get your act together. Let the yuppies bring money and flowers and clean streets. My tax as a yuppie pays for your schooling. I'm sick of it being wasted by resentful brats that think everyone owes them a living while they bitch and whine, threaten and fight and show no respect. I work hard. You should too.

Jason Cutter is in t... (Below threshold)
Johnny:


Jason Cutter is in the news again. This time it was a metaphorical right hook to the jaw.

http://somervillenews.typepad.com/the_somerville_news/2006/08/yuppie_hater_pe.html

Alright tom or whoever, you... (Below threshold)
karissa:

Alright tom or whoever, you people are so mad that kill a yuppie isn't a hate crime or whatever. How many yuppies have to die befor it is considered one? oh please. WHEN DO YUPPIS GET KILLED? NEVER! DO YOU KNOW HOW MAN TEENAGERS WE LOSE IN SOMERVILLE, AND YOU WANT US TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU? WE'RE LOSING OUR OWN TEENAGERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY FROM SOMERVILLE, AND HAVN'T EVEN LIVED THEIR LIFE YET, AND YOU WANT THE CITY TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU? These kids are young, growin up, and have to deal with shit you probably never had to deal with, and theyre dying, HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU YUPPIES GONNA DIE WHEN YOUR SITTING ON YOUR COMPUTER ALL DAY OR AT STARBUCKS? STOP CARING ABOUT YOUR SELF, WAIT UNTIL TEENAGERS STOP DYING FOR NO REASON ALL THE TIME THAT WE LOVE, THEN YOU CAN OPEN YOUR MOUTHS.
"yuppies die", please Watch the news or read a boston herald and you tell me whose dying.

karissa

Alright tom or whoever, you... (Below threshold)
karissa:

Alright tom or whoever, you people are so mad that kill a yuppie isn't a hate crime or whatever. How many yuppies have to die befor it is considered one? oh please. WHEN DO YUPPIS GET KILLED? NEVER! DO YOU KNOW HOW MAN TEENAGERS WE LOSE IN SOMERVILLE, AND YOU WANT US TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU? WE'RE LOSING OUR OWN TEENAGERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY FROM SOMERVILLE, AND HAVN'T EVEN LIVED THEIR LIFE YET, AND YOU WANT THE CITY TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU? These kids are young, growin up, and have to deal with shit you probably never had to deal with, and theyre dying, HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU YUPPIES GONNA DIE WHEN YOUR SITTING ON YOUR COMPUTER ALL DAY OR AT STARBUCKS? STOP CARING ABOUT YOUR SELF, WAIT UNTIL TEENAGERS STOP DYING FOR NO REASON ALL THE TIME THAT WE LOVE, THEN YOU CAN OPEN YOUR MOUTHS.
"yuppies die", please Watch the news or read a boston herald and you tell me whose dying.

karissa

If you teen thugs spent som... (Below threshold)
Thugdnbrats:

If you teen thugs spent some time at a computer in a Starbucks instead of spray painting public property and hanging around loitering in parks, then you wouldn't be getting killed. Being poor is no excuse for being stupid.

to thugdnbratswhat w... (Below threshold)
dirty mick:

to thugdnbrats
what would sitting at a computer in a starbucks do other than turn us into a bunch of whining do-nothings like you.Yuppies, hippies, college students, you all sit and sip youre lattes and type on youre blogs and do internet petitions and davis square based protests against Bush thinking you are changing the world. You look down on us "poor kids" who write graffitti and hang out in parks but when you think about it, whats the difference? We hang in parks you hang in cafes, we have graffitti, you have blogs, we are just a low-rent version of the coffee shop revolutionary except, wait, Bush is still in office, where as we are making headway to getting somthing done for us. i''m aware of the scale difference but the fact is we have the balls to do somthing and you dont.

This one is in response to ... (Below threshold)
Jacqueline:

This one is in response to "staydirty." Yes, I am a product of Somerville, born and raised..4 generations of my family have grown up on the beautiful streets of Somerville, Massachusetts...I don't recall any one of us ever complaining about the condition of our wonderful city..We seem to be extremely proud, as is...We don't need money or flowers, as it is apparent that you do...So feel free to take your precious tax dollars somewhere else..No one would be complaining..




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